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Aug 19, 10:22 AM
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Nanase went through several stages of emotions this episode. I mean, really, this anime has been character building and it was her turn this time.

Not a bad episode though but yeah, this episode really had her personality shine above others. Not easy to be in a new world where evrything is new and unfamiliar.
Aug 19, 12:08 PM
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where's the episode crunchyroll!?!?!? im getting sick of your bullshit!!!!!!
Aug 19, 12:54 PM
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Conservation of details is telling me that the other time-traveler is most likely


Edit: Heh, I made this post like 4 minutes before the end of the episode. Learned a lesson here to finish watching before I share my thoughts. The last scene pretty much confirmed it.
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Aug 19, 2:09 PM
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I feel that the sisters are their ancestors for example Mai - Sumomo, Sayuri - Suguri, Rina - Akebi, Nanase - Natsume (Mother? or just Ancestor), Nozomi - Anzu.
Aug 19, 2:24 PM
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Quite an emotional episode, like the previous one. While I definitely feel for Nanase and her ideology, history is full of compromises because it's simply not a perfect world or a perfect era, especially for an era of conflict and wars. I've heard stories of how in an average poor family of many siblings, the one who cried the loudest got more food and care from the parents while some of the other siblings eventually pass away from malnutrition and sickness. It's a sad reality and getting mad at it from the POV of someone born and raised in a peaceful era is rather arrogant though that naivety can be precious too.

And regarding Nanase's constant worry about changing history, I'd argue the moment they even landed in the past, making contact with the air may already be enough to trigger a butterfly effect, not to mention how they saved Suguri and made contact with many people in her household. So I think if they really were to cause an alteration of the past, I doubt keeping a low profile now would make much of a different. So they might as well use all their knowledge to help (unless Nanase has the knowledge to handcraft a nuclear reaction, then it's another story lol).
Aug 19, 3:57 PM
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where's the episode crunchyroll!?!?!? im getting sick of your bullshit!!!!!!

there was no rent a girlfriend nor cuckoos this morning either so I’m right here with you they really gotta stop with all of this nonsense
Aug 19, 4:48 PM
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Nice episode, Really enjoyed this episode about Nanase and her struggles I have certainly warmed to her abit more.
Aug 19, 4:49 PM
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MikuXLegend said:
godzilla9637 said:
where's the episode crunchyroll!?!?!? im getting sick of your bullshit!!!!!!

there was no rent a girlfriend nor cuckoos this morning either so I’m right here with you they really gotta stop with all of this nonsense

It's out now finally
Aug 19, 5:19 PM
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Nice Nanase focused episode, she deserves the attention as the brain of the group. Even though she agreed on using something that was only invented 200 years later lol

Imouto suki

Tsundere-Chuuni-Imoutos save me...

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Reecey91 said:
MikuXLegend said:

there was no rent a girlfriend nor cuckoos this morning either so I’m right here with you they really gotta stop with all of this nonsense

It's out now finally

Yeah but we’ll see which more will get hit as much as I don’t want more of this ridiculousness
Aug 19, 8:06 PM
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I didn’t understand anything! How can I comment on an episode I didn’t understand at all! I really mean it! I don’t get why she was angry in the first place—I mean Nanase, and what she’s trying to convey… feelings of loneliness, feelings of happiness, sudden crying scenes, and then explanations about freedom concepts, but why? I honestly didn’t understand…

I’ll go back to the point where Nanase got angry and check exactly what happened…

Aha… so Nanase is angry because Sumomo doesn’t see a problem with her getting married while her sister wants her freedom… again, where’s the problem?

Ugh, it’s stupid trying to analyze this anime… I’ll just nod my head and say “yeah, I understood” and that’s it, because the concepts presented aren’t clear or even objective. They vary from person to person! So there’s no right or wrong—there’s only agreeing or disagreeing.

An empty episode. I won’t call it bad because there was nothing in it to even say if it was bad or good…

See you next week. Until then, keep smiling.

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Not so much a specific problem with this episode but something which came up and came to mind again because of their semi-serious "focus group" meeting at the very beginning of the episode: I don't know if it's due to a halfhearted noncommital approach to following certain plot points or character developments through or something, but something has bothered me since basically the beginning which is that I don't find the characters that consistently written episode to episode.

For example, the scene at the beginning of them pooling their information and reviewing what they collectively know - such as Sayuri informing them that Suguri now knows they're from the future since she told her. This is one of a number of group huddles they've had now over the seriousness and importance of preserving the secrecy of their origin and not talking about and concealing all the time travel-related stuff in front of the people of this era including Suguri's family. Yet even though it's been said and reiterated numerous times and Nanase is presented as the supposed brains of the group, it doesn't feel like it has any real weight because in other scenes they just don't take it very seriously at all and it's treated like a no-biggie optional thing and effectively a big joke.

Right straight away from the beginning Nanase herself is taking out her smartphone in front of the Sengoku natives, snapping away photos of their meal served at dinner. Other scenes in earlier episodes the girls are screaming and yelling at the top of their lungs about their predicament and the details right on top of the paper thin walls. In this episode, Nanase again, informally deferred-to leader of thinking up strategy and briefing the others on historical details, again shows little reservation to spill everything about their identities, how a digging or irrigation method is two centuries ahead of the current time period, etc.

I get that she had a greater personal incentive this time around (as opposed to rustic olden food photos) of wanting to tease out or be outright told and exchanged information that could help them potentially go home quicker. But the dilemma of possibly irrevocably altering the entire fabric of the spacetime continuum including the future existence of their country, their families, themselves, and everything else they've ever known isn't shown through any internal voicing of conflict or, in this episode, not even really so much as a passing thought once Nanase begins gabbing to Natsume.

But I don't think it's intentionally meant to be a farce and a full-on laugh out loud comedy in the way that their repeated wholly avoidable errors and blatant disregard suggest. I guess it just means, for the viewer, don't actually take any of this too seriously because the girls themselves sure as hell aren't? But other times the seeming focused intensity on the interpersonal drama and accompanying stirring music would give the implication this is all very serious so rather a mixed muddled message when the execution of some of it is zeroed in on and other aspects like the threat to the future, their lives, and their ability to return home treated in such a blasé wishy-washy sort of way.
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Aug 19, 9:30 PM

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There's something about this that just works. Yeah it's the same director as Momentary Lily but it's just dumb slop that works.
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Rsma130 said:
I didn’t understand anything! How can I comment on an episode I didn’t understand at all! I really mean it! I don’t get why she was angry in the first place—I mean Nanase, and what she’s trying to convey… feelings of loneliness, feelings of happiness, sudden crying scenes, and then explanations about freedom concepts, but why? I honestly didn’t understand…

I’ll go back to the point where Nanase got angry and check exactly what happened…

Aha… so Nanase is angry because Sumomo doesn’t see a problem with her getting married while her sister wants her freedom… again, where’s the problem?

Ugh, it’s stupid trying to analyze this anime… I’ll just nod my head and say “yeah, I understood” and that’s it, because the concepts presented aren’t clear or even objective. They vary from person to person! So there’s no right or wrong—there’s only agreeing or disagreeing.

An empty episode. I won’t call it bad because there was nothing in it to even say if it was bad or good…

See you next week. Until then, keep smiling.


Since it sounds like you don't actually understand what was happening I will do my best to explain it in a way that might be clearer for you.

Nanase was upset with Natsume because she views her desire for freedom as an inherently selfish act which leaves her younger sister, Sumomo to shoulder the responsibility of the arranged marriage that was supposed to be Natsume's.

From Nanase's perspective, it is entirely selfish and irresponsible for Natsume just to flat out refuse to carry the burden of protecting their homeland through the arranged marriage. This echoes a sentiment she feels about her father, who left her and her mother to pursue his dreams. Essentially Nanase feels empathy for Sumomo and those left behind when a family member they love and rely on decides to leave for their own interests.

We come to find out, though, that Natsume cares very deeply about her homeland and wants to do everything she can to protect it and keep her family together without having to marry off her sisters or herself. Hence being very interested in the future and their technology as it could give them a leg up when it comes to securing their independence.

Lastly, among the interesting things we learned, based off of what Natsume said about the other traveler as well as Nanase's reaction to being called "sweetie" bringing back memories, it is highly likely that the initial time traveler who just left was actually Nanase's father.
Aug 19, 10:10 PM

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It's hard not to dismiss Nanase's problem as daddy issues, but that really is what it is. Not that I can really blame her, like the deadbeat just dropped everything and dipped. It's not like he tried to work things out or she would have noticed that.

So the fourth sister, Natsume has returned, apparently the man from the future she was travelling with got zapped back to his time. If that tells us anything it is that a lot of energy is required to effect the transfer. Now that she has a taste of freedom she isn't willing to give it up. But that doesn't mean she doesn't want to help her people thrive, she just doesn't want to be tribute which to be fair wouldn't change anything anyway.
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Rsma130 said:
I didn’t understand anything! How can I comment on an episode I didn’t understand at all! I really mean it! I don’t get why she was angry in the first place—I mean Nanase, and what she’s trying to convey… feelings of loneliness, feelings of happiness, sudden crying scenes, and then explanations about freedom concepts, but why? I honestly didn’t understand…

I’ll go back to the point where Nanase got angry and check exactly what happened…

Aha… so Nanase is angry because Sumomo doesn’t see a problem with her getting married while her sister wants her freedom… again, where’s the problem?

Ugh, it’s stupid trying to analyze this anime… I’ll just nod my head and say “yeah, I understood” and that’s it, because the concepts presented aren’t clear or even objective. They vary from person to person! So there’s no right or wrong—there’s only agreeing or disagreeing.

An empty episode. I won’t call it bad because there was nothing in it to even say if it was bad or good…

See you next week. Until then, keep smiling.


Since it sounds like you don't actually understand what was happening I will do my best to explain it in a way that might be clearer for you.

Nanase was upset with Natsume because she views her desire for freedom as an inherently selfish act which leaves her younger sister, Sumomo to shoulder the responsibility of the arranged marriage that was supposed to be Natsume's.

From Nanase's perspective, it is entirely selfish and irresponsible for Natsume just to flat out refuse to carry the burden of protecting their homeland through the arranged marriage. This echoes a sentiment she feels about her father, who left her and her mother to pursue his dreams. Essentially Nanase feels empathy for Sumomo and those left behind when a family member they love and rely on decides to leave for their own interests.

We come to find out, though, that Natsume cares very deeply about her homeland and wants to do everything she can to protect it and keep her family together without having to marry off her sisters or herself. Hence being very interested in the future and their technology as it could give them a leg up when it comes to securing their independence.

Lastly, among the interesting things we learned, based off of what Natsume said about the other traveler as well as Nanase's reaction to being called "sweetie" bringing back memories, it is highly likely that the initial time traveler who just left was actually Nanase's father.
Blindfight said:
We come to find out, though, that Natsume cares very deeply about her homeland and wants to do everything she can to protect it and keep her family together without having to marry off her sisters or herself. Hence being very interested in the future and their technology as it could give them a leg up when it comes to securing their independence.


Umm, Tbh this part is what helps me the most. Now I understand what Natsume's real intentions..

Alright! Before anything else, before we dive into a pleasant conversation built on exchanging opinions and ideas… how are you doing this week? How are things going for you? What did you think of the episode? Did you enjoy it? I hope you’re doing well and that you’re happy somewhere in this world—that’s what really matters.

Once again, my previous comment isn’t very detailed, but this time I’ll do my best to structure it properly. Last week’s text was poorly written, not very respectful, so I apologize to you and to the other readers.

Alright, as for the rest of the points you mentioned, I understand them from a viewing perspective, a surface-level understanding… but what I don’t understand is this: isn’t Nanase supposed to be the one insisting on not altering history, the person with the most knowledge, culture, and understanding of what’s going on around her? Isn’t she supposed to reflect the open-minded character who respects history as it is? If the answer is yes, then we move to the more important question.

First: Did the anime actually mention that in an arranged marriage the older sister must take responsibility? I didn’t notice that detail, and I’m not only talking about this episode. Because the older sister said she told her father about her desire to marry and he didn’t object, and her sister Susumo didn’t object either. So if I’m correct…

Second: If I am correct, then what business does Nanase have interfering in a purely family matter? By what right does she judge and speak up? Doesn’t she realize she’s an outsider? And doesn’t that make her contradict herself for a moment? This is exactly why I don’t understand why the story took this turn. The father agreed, the older sister agreed, the younger sister agreed, and on the other side, the husband hadn’t chosen any girl in particular… so where exactly is the problem?

Third: If we assume the issue is purely emotional—let’s set logic aside and assume Nanase is genuinely affected by her father’s situation and so on—then someone needs to tell Nanase: these are two different matters. The arranged marriage was done with the consent of all family members, while in your case… your father didn’t consider anyone’s opinion. Yes, your father was at fault, but the arranged marriage itself was agreed upon by everyone.

The anime lacks this side of things—the side of clarifying matters, of laying each issue out clearly, of giving us simple analysis of events.

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I really didn’t give the anime enough attention. That’s what I mean when I say I didn’t understand—I didn’t understand the actual point of the episode. If we assume the whole purpose was simply to reveal that Nanase’s father was the one imprisoned in that place, then in that case the episode basically begins at minute 12. Everything before that was empty chatter. Do you see what I mean?

I just hope this anime learns to respect history. There are other anime like Kingdom or The Apothecary Diaries that actually address history as it is. If Nanase existed in one of those anime, she’d simply be stopped with the argument: “You’re an outsider to our customs, you have no right to interfere”—just like Mai will do in the next episode. Oh, Susumo looks sad, so let’s help her… but wait, isn’t there a concept that these are family affairs and should be respected from the start?

And I won’t waste your time again on the bowling issue—we talked about it last time and we both agreed, though I’m annoyed that Saori has repeated the same “second throw” line five episodes in a row.

Anyway! Thank you for every word you’ve written to me, thank you for every word you’ve read for my sake, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. I’ll never be able to thank you enough. I’m glad I can share my thoughts with you and hear yours. I hope I haven’t burdened you with my words, and I hope I haven’t been disrespectful to you or the other readers.

I wish you a happy day!

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Such weird anime with good and bad episodes with a weird plot.
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We come to find out, though, that Natsume cares very deeply about her homeland and wants to do everything she can to protect it and keep her family together without having to marry off her sisters or herself. Hence being very interested in the future and their technology as it could give them a leg up when it comes to securing their independence.


Umm, Tbh this part is what helps me the most. Now I understand what Natsume's real intentions..

Alright! Before anything else, before we dive into a pleasant conversation built on exchanging opinions and ideas… how are you doing this week? How are things going for you? What did you think of the episode? Did you enjoy it? I hope you’re doing well and that you’re happy somewhere in this world—that’s what really matters.

Once again, my previous comment isn’t very detailed, but this time I’ll do my best to structure it properly. Last week’s text was poorly written, not very respectful, so I apologize to you and to the other readers.

Alright, as for the rest of the points you mentioned, I understand them from a viewing perspective, a surface-level understanding… but what I don’t understand is this: isn’t Nanase supposed to be the one insisting on not altering history, the person with the most knowledge, culture, and understanding of what’s going on around her? Isn’t she supposed to reflect the open-minded character who respects history as it is? If the answer is yes, then we move to the more important question.

First: Did the anime actually mention that in an arranged marriage the older sister must take responsibility? I didn’t notice that detail, and I’m not only talking about this episode. Because the older sister said she told her father about her desire to marry and he didn’t object, and her sister Susumo didn’t object either. So if I’m correct…

Second: If I am correct, then what business does Nanase have interfering in a purely family matter? By what right does she judge and speak up? Doesn’t she realize she’s an outsider? And doesn’t that make her contradict herself for a moment? This is exactly why I don’t understand why the story took this turn. The father agreed, the older sister agreed, the younger sister agreed, and on the other side, the husband hadn’t chosen any girl in particular… so where exactly is the problem?

Third: If we assume the issue is purely emotional—let’s set logic aside and assume Nanase is genuinely affected by her father’s situation and so on—then someone needs to tell Nanase: these are two different matters. The arranged marriage was done with the consent of all family members, while in your case… your father didn’t consider anyone’s opinion. Yes, your father was at fault, but the arranged marriage itself was agreed upon by everyone.

The anime lacks this side of things—the side of clarifying matters, of laying each issue out clearly, of giving us simple analysis of events.

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I really didn’t give the anime enough attention. That’s what I mean when I say I didn’t understand—I didn’t understand the actual point of the episode. If we assume the whole purpose was simply to reveal that Nanase’s father was the one imprisoned in that place, then in that case the episode basically begins at minute 12. Everything before that was empty chatter. Do you see what I mean?

I just hope this anime learns to respect history. There are other anime like Kingdom or The Apothecary Diaries that actually address history as it is. If Nanase existed in one of those anime, she’d simply be stopped with the argument: “You’re an outsider to our customs, you have no right to interfere”—just like Mai will do in the next episode. Oh, Susumo looks sad, so let’s help her… but wait, isn’t there a concept that these are family affairs and should be respected from the start?

And I won’t waste your time again on the bowling issue—we talked about it last time and we both agreed, though I’m annoyed that Saori has repeated the same “second throw” line five episodes in a row.

Anyway! Thank you for every word you’ve written to me, thank you for every word you’ve read for my sake, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. I’ll never be able to thank you enough. I’m glad I can share my thoughts with you and hear yours. I hope I haven’t burdened you with my words, and I hope I haven’t been disrespectful to you or the other readers.

I wish you a happy day!

@Rsma130 This is quite a lot and I don't have the time to respond in full at the moment as it is close to bedtime where I am. But I am doing well, and it is kind of you to ask. I will give a more detailed response about your myriad questions when I have the time tomorrow.
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@Rsma130 This is quite a lot and I don't have the time to respond in full at the moment as it is close to bedtime where I am. But I am doing well, and it is kind of you to ask. I will give a more detailed response about your myriad questions when I have the time tomorrow.

Have sweet dreams ❣️❣️
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there was no rent a girlfriend nor cuckoos this morning either so I’m right here with you they really gotta stop with all of this nonsense

It's out now finally

Yeah but we’ll see which more will get hit as much as I don’t want more of this ridiculousness
@MikuXLegend Do you know what cause this and other shows to not get released on time?
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I’m not sure the girls have a right to be upset about the political marriage of the Sengoku period as those types of political marriages still go on in Japan today.
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“Who would think their life is unfair with such a kind princess nearby” 😭 fuck, another turkey episode that leaves me in tears. Nanase was the only girl who hadn’t met their ancestor yet and of course Natsume shows up right on time to act like the great great great great great great x 10 grandmother that she is to Nanase.

Also, that ending pretty much confirms that was her dad who took Natsume away and traveled to the past! If so, the fact he was always looking for a way back to her is breaking my heart. I really hope they get their reunion at the end of this. This was just such an awesome episode and this show continues to be criminally underrated. A 6.14?!! Cmon now. These last two episodes alone are well above a 7.

I like how Natsume clocked that Nanase was projecting the pain of her father abandoning her on Natsume for leaving her sisters. I honestly can’t be too mad at Natsume because political marriages are bullshit and Sumomo seems more like the dutiful “I’ll do anything for my country” type. She willingly stepped into that role because she knew her older sister wasn’t fit for it. Just like we found out last week, the Sengoku period sucked for the average person. This isn’t a fairy tale.
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This is this anime's best episode yet, but it's not quite a competition considering that many episodes before are so-so.
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Dang, even from a map gaming perspective, if you're cursed with no resources and diplomacy (via marriage) is not palatable, they have a long way ahead of them to survive in the sengoku era. If they struggle with bandits, a real army is just too much. However onsen and money for mercenaries or at least good will might save them, but that comes with its own risk.

Also no bowling this episode. That kind of makes me sad since no matter how stupid I liked it when they shoehorned it in. I'm a sucker for keeping up with a premise no matter what. Maybe "boring" next episode might fix it.
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boy, this show really nose-dived into lowbrow menstruation-struggle metaphor didn't it

there's "don't judge a book by it's cover" and then there's "bait and switch" and this show is 100% the latter

the characters are so unmemorable that after 7 episodes, if you confronted me on the street and asked me to name one, I'd have real trouble

the part where they keep saying loudly that they have to keep the secret about being from the future, only to be overheard because of their complete lack of subtlety and situational awareness, is particularly ridiculous
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@MikuXLegend Do you know what cause this and other shows to not get released on time?

I’m wondering the same thing
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Well, I liked this episode more than the last one. It didn't seem as preachy and stupid as the last one. And I think the message of this episode was a lot simpler to digest.

Natsume came back from her journey. I like how each episode focuses on each girl. This time, it's finally Nanase and Natsume's turn. This was probably the first time Nanase showed this much emotion and of course it's cause Natsume's action felt like a personal attack against her. Yeah, what Natsume did was pretty selfish. She was the eldest daughter but she left her younger sister to get married off while she went away scot free to do whatever she wanted. But it's not like she forced her to do it. Her dad agreed. She agreed. Her sisters agreed. So what's the issue? Well, Sumomo not getting her "cinch" yet might be an issue but I doubt that'll be an issue for long.

So apparently Nanase's dad left her and his wife to go on some mission like he's Emiya Shirou or something. It's hard to say anything about it because there's hardly any information about him. But I guess the show heavily implied that he left them randomly? Why would he do that. That is very selfish. But since it's basically confirmed that Natsume's time-traveling buddy was probably Nanase's dad, then it'd at least explain why he didn't contact his family for 3 years. It'd be one thing if he waited until his daughter was older to go get milk but to do it out of nowhere leaving only a note seems cruel assuming he didn't immediately get sent back in time after he left it.

Anyway, I'm probably overthinking this. It's cool to see a character from the past interacting with modern objects and being kinda familiar with it. Nanase built an irrigation device 200 years before it was invented lol. I don't think it's a problem cause it's possible that certain cultures can independently come up with things that are said to be invented much later. I'm guessing the next episode will focus on Rina and the final few episodes will probably be with Mai and Sumomo and how they go back to the future. Mai's bowling-speak was kinda irritating tho.
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@Rsma130 Well, I wouldn't call my sleep particularly restful as I spent a lot of the time with my mind wandering and thinking about all the things I needed to convey to answer your questions. I think that speaks to how much I enjoy discussing anime though, as it occupies a large portion of my thoughts.

As for my feelings on the episode, I did enjoy it, though not as much as last week's. There was solid character building, we learned more pertinent information, and we got a glimpse into Nanase's past. Now, onto your questions regarding this episode specifically:


Rsma130 said:
isn’t Nanase supposed to be the one insisting on not altering history, the person with the most knowledge, culture, and understanding of what’s going on around her? Isn’t she supposed to reflect the open-minded character who respects history as it is? If the answer is yes, then we move to the more important question.


The answer to this question is yes but with caveats. She is the character who most understands that there is a need to preserve history but as she stated earlier in the show she's unaware of which type of time-travel they've stumbled into. Just by the very nature of them being present they could, and likely have, already altered history. She does want to mitigate that if she can, but she can't control everything and she's also not exactly the best at hiding things herself.

Rsma130 said:
First: Did the anime actually mention that in an arranged marriage the older sister must take responsibility? I didn’t notice that detail, and I’m not only talking about this episode. Because the older sister said she told her father about her desire to marry and he didn’t object, and her sister Susumo didn’t object either. So if I’m correct…


Yes, it was explicitly stated (I believe by Nanase herself) that the eldest daughter is the first to be married off for political reasons such as protecting their land in the Sengoku period. She even asked Natsume for confirmation on this point, and that's what led to further developments on this front.

Rsma130 said:
Second: If I am correct, then what business does Nanase have interfering in a purely family matter? By what right does she judge and speak up? Doesn’t she realize she’s an outsider? And doesn’t that make her contradict herself for a moment? This is exactly why I don’t understand why the story took this turn. The father agreed, the older sister agreed, the younger sister agreed, and on the other side, the husband hadn’t chosen any girl in particular… so where exactly is the problem?


Whether or not all parties agreed to this is immaterial. Nanase likely knows deep down that she shouldn't speak up and shouldn't get involved in this, but it's not the marriage arrangement itself that rubs her the wrong way. She might feel some of what Mai feels about it, that they shouldn't force Sumomo into a marriage that isn't about love (here's the values of the eras clashing again), but Nanase's objection is Natsume's flippant rejection of her responsibilities. She views it something like a crown prince abdicating a thrown because "ruling a country is haaaaard" and making his younger brother do it while he goes off to get drunk at a vineyard in the countryside. It's not the "I don't like that there's a political marriage" aspect, it's the shirking of responsibilities and forcing everyone else to cover your slack that triggers Nanase's anger.

This also touches upon your third question in this line. Yes, Nanase is genuinely affected by her father's situation because of the very real and justifiable feelings of abandonment she has from him leaving. It's like rubbing salt in the wound to see someone making the same sort of decision that he did right before her eyes. That's why logic doesn't come into play at the moment she understands the situation, because it is actively triggering past trauma for her.

Rsma130 said:
The anime lacks this side of things—the side of clarifying matters, of laying each issue out clearly, of giving us simple analysis of events.

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I really didn’t give the anime enough attention. That’s what I mean when I say I didn’t understand—I didn’t understand the actual point of the episode. If we assume the whole purpose was simply to reveal that Nanase’s father was the one imprisoned in that place, then in that case the episode basically begins at minute 12. Everything before that was empty chatter. Do you see what I mean?


I think you might not have given it enough attention during your initial watch of this episode because everything was detailed fairly clearly to me. True, when we first see Nanase explode at Natsume we don't have the full story, but that's what their later conversation expands upon so we can see and understand what Nanase is feeling and why she reacted the way she did.

Without rewatching the episode and just from memory, I believe it was broken up into 5 scenes.

Scene 1: The girls discuss important information that Sayuri provides regarding Suguri actually being a woman and now knowing they're from the future. This is important because as audience members it would be better to see major information like this be disseminated than assume it gets shared off screen. This also leads into scene 2 as Natsume arrives.

Scene 2: Natsume's return from her journey. We've never met Natsume before and we've only heard about her. Seeing how well loved and respected she is by her family is important. Realizing that she was the one traveling with the other time-traveler is also important.

Scene 3: The exchange of information between the 5 girls and Natsume. They want to get as much information from her as possible because they want to get back to their time and she was in contact with the other traveler. This scene also leads to finding out about Natsume's refusal to shoulder the responsibility of the arranged marriage which leads directly to the next scene after Nanase's yells at her.

Scene 4: Nanase and Natsume have a heart to heart where we learn about Nanase's past, understand why she was hurt, and she grows as a character. Character development is not idle chatter. We also learn how the previous traveler left Natsume's company, and that Natsume is actually very concerned with her homeland and her family, she just values her freedom.

Scene 5: The girls decide to use their future knowledge to try to help. Yes, this might get a bit confusing and contrary to what you think they should be doing if you don't pick up on subtext easily. But their decision follows a logical path if you think about it for a second. They know that this land survives into modern day because this is their home. They traveled through time, but they didn't change their location so in essence, this place is their home as well. One of them also mentions that they remembered learning it had hot springs that served as a tourist attraction during the Sengoku period, but they're here now and they don't see such things. Not only that, but it is heavily implied that each other the girls is a descendant of a different one of the 5 sisters. Even just watching the intro you can see them each paired off with one of the Sengoku era characters during the visuals. Their character episodes also take place with heavy involvement from their suspected ancestor. So it stands to reason that if they're all descended from these sisters, and they all still live in the same place, that the Sengoku era characters must have found a way to keep their family together in the past. Is it bad that they decided to abandon their idea of becoming the air and not causing ripples in the past? We won't know until they return to their time. Personally I think this is the kind of time-travel where what they did was already part of history, and their actions in the past shaped the present day even if they didn't know it beforehand.

Lastly, the second throw line is the team motto. I can see how you might get annoyed by the repetition but mottos get repeated. That's the point of them, actually.


Anyway, I hope all that has at least something to help shape your understanding of what's going on and paints a clearer picture for you.
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@Rsma130 Well, I wouldn't call my sleep particularly restful as I spent a lot of the time with my mind wandering and thinking about all the things I needed to convey to answer your questions. I think that speaks to how much I enjoy discussing anime though, as it occupies a large portion of my thoughts.

As for my feelings on the episode, I did enjoy it, though not as much as last week's. There was solid character building, we learned more pertinent information, and we got a glimpse into Nanase's past. Now, onto your questions regarding this episode specifically:


Rsma130 said:
isn’t Nanase supposed to be the one insisting on not altering history, the person with the most knowledge, culture, and understanding of what’s going on around her? Isn’t she supposed to reflect the open-minded character who respects history as it is? If the answer is yes, then we move to the more important question.


The answer to this question is yes but with caveats. She is the character who most understands that there is a need to preserve history but as she stated earlier in the show she's unaware of which type of time-travel they've stumbled into. Just by the very nature of them being present they could, and likely have, already altered history. She does want to mitigate that if she can, but she can't control everything and she's also not exactly the best at hiding things herself.

Rsma130 said:
First: Did the anime actually mention that in an arranged marriage the older sister must take responsibility? I didn’t notice that detail, and I’m not only talking about this episode. Because the older sister said she told her father about her desire to marry and he didn’t object, and her sister Susumo didn’t object either. So if I’m correct…


Yes, it was explicitly stated (I believe by Nanase herself) that the eldest daughter is the first to be married off for political reasons such as protecting their land in the Sengoku period. She even asked Natsume for confirmation on this point, and that's what led to further developments on this front.

Rsma130 said:
Second: If I am correct, then what business does Nanase have interfering in a purely family matter? By what right does she judge and speak up? Doesn’t she realize she’s an outsider? And doesn’t that make her contradict herself for a moment? This is exactly why I don’t understand why the story took this turn. The father agreed, the older sister agreed, the younger sister agreed, and on the other side, the husband hadn’t chosen any girl in particular… so where exactly is the problem?


Whether or not all parties agreed to this is immaterial. Nanase likely knows deep down that she shouldn't speak up and shouldn't get involved in this, but it's not the marriage arrangement itself that rubs her the wrong way. She might feel some of what Mai feels about it, that they shouldn't force Sumomo into a marriage that isn't about love (here's the values of the eras clashing again), but Nanase's objection is Natsume's flippant rejection of her responsibilities. She views it something like a crown prince abdicating a thrown because "ruling a country is haaaaard" and making his younger brother do it while he goes off to get drunk at a vineyard in the countryside. It's not the "I don't like that there's a political marriage" aspect, it's the shirking of responsibilities and forcing everyone else to cover your slack that triggers Nanase's anger.

This also touches upon your third question in this line. Yes, Nanase is genuinely affected by her father's situation because of the very real and justifiable feelings of abandonment she has from him leaving. It's like rubbing salt in the wound to see someone making the same sort of decision that he did right before her eyes. That's why logic doesn't come into play at the moment she understands the situation, because it is actively triggering past trauma for her.

Rsma130 said:
The anime lacks this side of things—the side of clarifying matters, of laying each issue out clearly, of giving us simple analysis of events.

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I really didn’t give the anime enough attention. That’s what I mean when I say I didn’t understand—I didn’t understand the actual point of the episode. If we assume the whole purpose was simply to reveal that Nanase’s father was the one imprisoned in that place, then in that case the episode basically begins at minute 12. Everything before that was empty chatter. Do you see what I mean?


I think you might not have given it enough attention during your initial watch of this episode because everything was detailed fairly clearly to me. True, when we first see Nanase explode at Natsume we don't have the full story, but that's what their later conversation expands upon so we can see and understand what Nanase is feeling and why she reacted the way she did.

Without rewatching the episode and just from memory, I believe it was broken up into 5 scenes.

Scene 1: The girls discuss important information that Sayuri provides regarding Suguri actually being a woman and now knowing they're from the future. This is important because as audience members it would be better to see major information like this be disseminated than assume it gets shared off screen. This also leads into scene 2 as Natsume arrives.

Scene 2: Natsume's return from her journey. We've never met Natsume before and we've only heard about her. Seeing how well loved and respected she is by her family is important. Realizing that she was the one traveling with the other time-traveler is also important.

Scene 3: The exchange of information between the 5 girls and Natsume. They want to get as much information from her as possible because they want to get back to their time and she was in contact with the other traveler. This scene also leads to finding out about Natsume's refusal to shoulder the responsibility of the arranged marriage which leads directly to the next scene after Nanase's yells at her.

Scene 4: Nanase and Natsume have a heart to heart where we learn about Nanase's past, understand why she was hurt, and she grows as a character. Character development is not idle chatter. We also learn how the previous traveler left Natsume's company, and that Natsume is actually very concerned with her homeland and her family, she just values her freedom.

Scene 5: The girls decide to use their future knowledge to try to help. Yes, this might get a bit confusing and contrary to what you think they should be doing if you don't pick up on subtext easily. But their decision follows a logical path if you think about it for a second. They know that this land survives into modern day because this is their home. They traveled through time, but they didn't change their location so in essence, this place is their home as well. One of them also mentions that they remembered learning it had hot springs that served as a tourist attraction during the Sengoku period, but they're here now and they don't see such things. Not only that, but it is heavily implied that each other the girls is a descendant of a different one of the 5 sisters. Even just watching the intro you can see them each paired off with one of the Sengoku era characters during the visuals. Their character episodes also take place with heavy involvement from their suspected ancestor. So it stands to reason that if they're all descended from these sisters, and they all still live in the same place, that the Sengoku era characters must have found a way to keep their family together in the past. Is it bad that they decided to abandon their idea of becoming the air and not causing ripples in the past? We won't know until they return to their time. Personally I think this is the kind of time-travel where what they did was already part of history, and their actions in the past shaped the present day even if they didn't know it beforehand.

Lastly, the second throw line is the team motto. I can see how you might get annoyed by the repetition but mottos get repeated. That's the point of them, actually.


Anyway, I hope all that has at least something to help shape your understanding of what's going on and paints a clearer picture for you.
Blindfight said:
Well, I wouldn't call my sleep particularly restful as I spent a lot of the time with my mind wandering and thinking about all the things I needed to convey to answer your questions. I think that speaks to how much I enjoy discussing anime though, as it occupies a large portion of my thoughts.

As for my feelings on the episode, I did enjoy it, though not as much as last week's. There was solid character building, we learned more pertinent information, and we got a glimpse into Nanase's past. Now, onto your questions regarding this episode specifically:


Hahaha, I feel both disappointed and happy—I didn’t mean to disturb your sleep. When I sent you the message it was 9 a.m. where I live… and I’m glad you’re enjoying the discussion.



Blindfight said:
The answer to this question is yes but with caveats. She is the character who most understands that there is a need to preserve history but as she stated earlier in the show she's unaware of which type of time-travel they've stumbled into. Just by the very nature of them being present they could, and likely have, already altered history. She does want to mitigate that if she can, but she can't control everything and she's also not exactly the best at hiding things herself.


Your answer to the topic could be right or wrong since nothing official has been shown in the anime itself! But most likely your understanding and explanation of the matter is more accurate!

Blindfight said:
Whether or not all parties agreed to this is immaterial. Nanase likely knows deep down that she shouldn't speak up and shouldn't get involved in this, but it's not the marriage arrangement itself that rubs her the wrong way. She might feel some of what Mai feels about it, that they shouldn't force Sumomo into a marriage that isn't about love (here's the values of the eras clashing again), but Nanase's objection is Natsume's flippant rejection of her responsibilities. She views it something like a crown prince abdicating a thrown because "ruling a country is haaaaard" and making his younger brother do it while he goes off to get drunk at a vineyard in the countryside. It's not the "I don't like that there's a political marriage" aspect, it's the shirking of responsibilities and forcing everyone else to cover your slack that triggers Nanase's anger.

This also touches upon your third question in this line. Yes, Nanase is genuinely affected by her father's situation because of the very real and justifiable feelings of abandonment she has from him leaving. It's like rubbing salt in the wound to see someone making the same sort of decision that he did right before her eyes. That's why logic doesn't come into play at the moment she understands the situation, because it is actively triggering past trauma for her.


Maybe I can agree with you that it’s purely emotional! But once again, if I gave up responsibility and my younger brother took it on with everyone’s consent, then what’s the problem? This is very normal, and at all times and places there have been successful rulers who were younger brothers rather than older ones! Responsibility falls to the one capable of carrying it. So again, I still see this as something completely natural.

But, but, but! Your explanation of Nanase’s perspective is excellent! It’s as if you were speaking on her behalf, as if you had truly delved into her character! So I’m glad you gave a contrasting opinion—because, as I said, disagreement doesn’t make us wrong, it gives us a deeper understanding of things.

Blindfight said:
I think you might not have given it enough attention during your initial watch of this episode because everything was detailed fairly clearly to me. True, when we first see Nanase explode at Natsume we don't have the full story, but that's what their later conversation expands upon so we can see and understand what Nanase is feeling and why she reacted the way she did.


I can’t argue with you on your final point! In the end, you’re right… and your love for the anime, I simply can’t deny it with a counterargument. I think you truly do enjoy the anime, even if only a little…

I really appreciate the time you spent writing—I can guess it took you at least 20 minutes just to write, not to mention the thinking behind it, and believe me that means a lot to me.

I don’t want to sound negative, but honestly, with all sincerity, everything you mentioned doesn’t really interest me… I mean, okay, but to me the story still feels very chaotic. Honestly, your explanations and discussing the anime with you is more enjoyable than watching the anime itself.

Anyway! Since you’re happy and I’m happy—that’s the main purpose of us being here on this site!

Thank you again, truly, from the bottom of my heart.

And man, this screenshot just to make u smile 💕💕

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Yay, Nanase episode. The drama felt a more grounded this time.

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Not so much a specific problem with this episode but something which came up and came to mind again because of their semi-serious "focus group" meeting at the very beginning of the episode: I don't know if it's due to a halfhearted noncommital approach to following certain plot points or character developments through or something, but something has bothered me since basically the beginning which is that I don't find the characters that consistently written episode to episode.

For example, the scene at the beginning of them pooling their information and reviewing what they collectively know - such as Sayuri informing them that Suguri now knows they're from the future since she told her. This is one of a number of group huddles they've had now over the seriousness and importance of preserving the secrecy of their origin and not talking about and concealing all the time travel-related stuff in front of the people of this era including Suguri's family. Yet even though it's been said and reiterated numerous times and Nanase is presented as the supposed brains of the group, it doesn't feel like it has any real weight because in other scenes they just don't take it very seriously at all and it's treated like a no-biggie optional thing and effectively a big joke.

Right straight away from the beginning Nanase herself is taking out her smartphone in front of the Sengoku natives, snapping away photos of their meal served at dinner. Other scenes in earlier episodes the girls are screaming and yelling at the top of their lungs about their predicament and the details right on top of the paper thin walls. In this episode, Nanase again, informally deferred-to leader of thinking up strategy and briefing the others on historical details, again shows little reservation to spill everything about their identities, how a digging or irrigation method is two centuries ahead of the current time period, etc.

I get that she had a greater personal incentive this time around (as opposed to rustic olden food photos) of wanting to tease out or be outright told and exchanged information that could help them potentially go home quicker. But the dilemma of possibly irrevocably altering the entire fabric of the spacetime continuum including the future existence of their country, their families, themselves, and everything else they've ever known isn't shown through any internal voicing of conflict or, in this episode, not even really so much as a passing thought once Nanase begins gabbing to Natsume.

But I don't think it's intentionally meant to be a farce and a full-on laugh out loud comedy in the way that their repeated wholly avoidable errors and blatant disregard suggest. I guess it just means, for the viewer, don't actually take any of this too seriously because the girls themselves sure as hell aren't? But other times the seeming focused intensity on the interpersonal drama and accompanying stirring music would give the implication this is all very serious so rather a mixed muddled message when the execution of some of it is zeroed in on and other aspects like the threat to the future, their lives, and their ability to return home treated in such a blasé wishy-washy sort of way.
@WatchTillTandava

You got the gist of it. Let me reaffirm some stuff and give you my 2 cents about how I felt about the series so far in general.

This anime is obviously quite whimsical. You could say the serious tone at times is part of the joke due to the contrast it creates. By nature of this series it's easier for the viewer to forgive inconsistent behaviour and tonal shifts, yet at the same time you can still find the character drama engaging.


Sure, the writers made it easy for themselves and a series like this usually won't quite reach the emotional heights as something that takes itself 100% seriously, but it's a fair trade if you can package your lack of cohesiveness in a more appealing manner. As for how much of it is truly intentional and not simply lack of care? That's a bit harder to tell without analyzing various scenes. All I can say now is that it works at the end of the day. Original projects such as this are usually half-assed by default and if it wasn't for campiness this would be straight up just mid.

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There's something about this that just works. Yeah it's the same director as Momentary Lily but it's just dumb slop that works.
@Neneaux

For sure. All the cheesiness, campiness and melodrama actually enhance this.

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Maybe I think a little bit too much, but the time traveler who makes the voyage with Natsume is Nanase herself, no? She saw Nasume for the first time on this episode, talked about his father and the fact that she is not really free and revealed a lot of things at Natsume so maybe Nanase is gonna return to the present but time travel to the oldest past to know Nasume early and help her with her problem!!!

yeah maybe I should think less haha
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Maybe I think a little bit too much, but the time traveler who makes the voyage with Natsume is Nanase herself, no? She saw Nasume for the first time on this episode, talked about his father and the fact that she is not really free and revealed a lot of things at Natsume so maybe Nanase is gonna return to the present but time travel to the oldest past to know Nasume early and help her with her problem!!!

yeah maybe I should think less haha
@TomuKun No, the time-traveler that Natsume has been with is an older man. Specifically it is probably Nanase's father because Natsume picked up the habit of calling people "Sweetie" which Nanase said brought back memories.
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@TomuKun No, the time-traveler that Natsume has been with is an older man. Specifically it is probably Nanase's father because Natsume picked up the habit of calling people "Sweetie" which Nanase said brought back memories.
@Blindfight When Natsume talks about this time traveler, she uses the term "She" no? Because in my French sub it's the case!
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TomuKun said:
@Blindfight When Natsume talks about this time traveler, she uses the term "She" no? Because in my French sub it's the case!

I watched it in Japanese with English subtitles and the other time-traveler was always referred to as a man.
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TomuKun said:
@Blindfight When Natsume talks about this time traveler, she uses the term "She" no? Because in my French sub it's the case!

I watched it in Japanese with English subtitles and the other time-traveler was always referred to as a man.
@Blindfight Well, his father is a good theory too!
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We're all thinking Nanase's dad is the other traveler, right? He probably showed Natsume a pic of his daughter.
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Seems like a lot of people have traveled to that era XD
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