Why did these things happen? (Spoiler)

Star_Platinum696 said:
pretty sure that azuma confessed of finding and hiding the body and not about shizuka. I might be wrong tho.

neel_senpai said:
I just don't understand like how Shizuka didn't got arrested

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Easy. Most likely she or her mom weren't at home when police came to check initially.

As the rumors suggest (after Azuma opens up to his brother) Azuma did indeed mention to police that Shizuka was involved. I suppose Azuma would say the truth that Shizuka didn't kill Marina but saw who did it. Azuma wouldn't really lie to say he wasn't there when killing happened and only helped with hiding the body. Police would definitely be looking for her shortly after Azuma went to police. The problem is, we don't know when Azuma went to police. It may have happened the same day he confessed to Junya, or may have happened next day or day after. My guess is, when police came to look for Shizuka, she was already gone to Tokyo and as we know, Shizuka used Takopi's gadget to turn invisible (floating flower) so neither police nor Shizuka's mom knew where Shizuka disappeared.

Later after the kidnapping happens in Tokyo, the newspapers revealed that "maybe Shizuka" was spotted near her dad's house snooping around, but she's not seen after, most likely because she was staying invisible or transformed into an adult (that's how she managed to kidnap girls after all). So there you have it. Police is looking for Shizuka but they either failed to find her (and mom) at home when they started to search initially, or they simply couldn't find Shizuka because she was invisible/transformed and in Tokyo. Remember, Shizuka was invisible when on ferry and bullet train and metro. Police would have hard time figuring out Shizuka left the town since no cameras captured her leaving!

neel_senpai said:
situation with Azuma's brother and the police is a bit complex

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
One thing that doesn't get mentioned often is the camera. Camera is the main murder weapon. Azuma has it as he's going to turn himself in, Junya saw it, but for some reason Azuma still has the camera with him in episode 6, and it's cleaned from blood. I suppose Junya advised Azuma not to take it to police. Otherwise why would police give it back to Azuma? The investigation is still ongoing since Shizuka, the prime witness/suspect isn't found, so it makes no sense for police NOT to keep the evidence of murder with them. I suppose since it's alien tech, the camera wouldn't be like your average camera inside as well, so there's another reason why police would keep it (to research alien tech). I think Junya would hide and clean it because things would get much harder for Azuma otherwise.

neel_senpai said:
bro you and I have the save brains I was just thinking the same thing

neel_senpai said:
that must be the reason why police didn't arrest Shizukaz, like they didn't had any proof

myrmidon_mamori said:
Honestly, the way I interpreted Shizuka asking Azuma to confess was that I thought she was asking him to (falsely) confess to being Marina's killer.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@neel_senpai

Hahah :D


This is where i disagree though. Police clearly had suspicions already. They suspected Shizuka after many kids pointed out how Shizuka was likely responsible for Marina's death since Marina (Takopi in disguise) was acting strangely around her days before death. Police told Shizuka to come talk to them during summer holidays but Azuma appeared instead and Shizuka disappeared without trace shortly after. That would make police 100% more suspicious of Shizuka.

Azuma must've told them that Shizuka was involved. As I said, police already suspected Shizuka was involved so if Azuma lied and said Shizuka had nothing to do with it all, it would backfire on him massively after police got to Shizuka. I mean, Azuma couldn't have known that Shizuka would disappear. If police got Shizuka and she said Azuma was involved too, that would make it clear that Azuma lied to police and that'd make things worse for him. Junya likely convinced him fully not to sacrifice himself for the sake of another. As I said in my first comment, he likely said that he found Shizuka in the forest and there was body of Marina too. He would certainly not say a word about Takopi/alien involvement, and say Marina was already dead when he found her. He would also likely not blame Marina's death on Shizuka. After all, Shizuka didn't kill Marina, Takopi did. Considering how he told Shizuka police wouldn't believe a story where alien killed Marina, he would likely tell police that when he met Shizuka she didn't see who killed Marina or how. Why he helped hide the body? He could say he got scared for his friend and decided to help hide the body since otherwise Shizuka was going to be blamed for murder even though she didn't do it. He could also say he had no idea where magic coffin came from, or that it was already there with the body. Whatever the case, police would want to question Shizuka IMMEDIATELY after hearing Azuma's side of the story.

Arrest is a bit too strong of a word in this case. Police would still suspect that some adult was likely involved. They would certainly want to question Shizuka ASAP regardless. Whenever they did come for her, she was already gone to Tokyo though, most likely. The morning she snuck out of house, Shizuka's mom was sleeping soundly. It's obvious she wasn't contacted by police yet either. It's possible the scene where Shizuka says "So Azuma won't be helping me anymore" to Takopi, happened previous day.

Police would get more suspicious since Shizuka disappeared without trace. Thanks to Takopi's invisibility gadget, cameras wouldn't capture Shizuka using the trains or ferry; Police would have hard time believing mom doesn't know where she went as well. In other words, if police could, they'd certainly capture Shizuka for questioning. I don't think she'd be arrested though, just like Azuma. Magic coffin alone would make it hard to believe that someone other than Shizuka and Azuma WASN'T involved.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@assignedgengar what makes you suggest he did and why?
Even if Junya were to tell the police he helped hide Marina's body (pretending he killed Marina is idiotic and not even worth considering), once police got to Shizuka and heard her version, it would be clear Junya is lying and Azuma was involved. Basically Azuma would get in trouble anyways. Junya taking the blame makes 0 sense since there's still a murderer who is yet to be found, there's murder weapon that need to be recovered (camera, and as we saw Azuma still had it so there's no way he or Junya took it to police) and most importantly there's Shizuka who needs to be questioned first. Junya I believe isn't retarded enough to confess to something he didn't do expecting that police will NEVER find Shizuka or Takopi and never hear their version of what happened.
It makes more sense to believe Azuma confessed in helping hide the body and said Shizuka was involved even though neither of them did the murder.
Clinic closed down and Junya git fired because Azuma, their family member, was suspected of a crime and that's enough to put shame on entire family and for society to judge them harshly and unfairly. As several people pointed out, in Japan social pressure is insane in such cases. Family gets harrassed or bullied and stigmatized, even though the suspect may be innocent.

Khatami_Husaini said:
Shizuka ask azuma to tell the police and get arrested, ofc he won't tell the truth
junya get fired bcs his brother is a criminal or he took the crime for his brother
there's no clear information about it in manga

neel_senpai said:
Azuma definitely mentioned Takopi. If he hadn’t, and just told the police it happened the way you described, the police would’ve been quicker to go after Shizuka.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:

Well, we have to consider WHEN Azuma confessed to police. Unfortunately we don't know when that happen, therefor we can't confidently say when police began looking for her. As we agree, police would go looking for her immediately after Azuma confessed to them.
We can assume it didn't happen the same day Azuma had conversation with Junya.
The Sun was still up when we see Shizuka saying Azuma is no longer going to help her and she must go to Tokyo. This scene likely happened day before her departure because in ep5 we see her waking up very early in the morning and THEN leaving; her mother's still there too and nothing suggests she was informed by police yet.
Basically Azuma likely confessed the day Shizuka went to Tokyo, or some days after.
Shizuka was very eager to go to Tokyo ASAP so it's safe to say she didn't wait long (after pressuring Azuma to turn himself in) to go to Tokyo. In other words, Azuma likely delayed confession for some time while Shizuka quickened her departure to Tokyo, making it impossible (thanks to Takopi's gadgets) for police to capture her later.

As for Takopi, I don't know why Azuma would mention pink alien and make his case worse. Saying he didn't see who killed Marina makes a lot more sense.

CCIIMM said:
He told the police that he was involved but wasn’t the murderer.

neel_senpai said:

that kind of won't make sense.... the most logical conclusion could be according to my interpretation the situation with Azuma's and Azuma brother and the police is a bit complex. While the police may not have fully believed the child's story(Azuma) about a murder like how could anyone believe that an alien killed the girl, the family was still dealing with the public and social fallout. The news of Azuma's involvement, even if not leading to an arrest for murder, was enough to create a social stigma. His brother, who was trying to get into a good university, essentially became a casualty of this public shaming and the stain on the family name. The family's reputation was ruined, and his brother was fired or forced to withdraw from his academic path as a result of the family's association with the incident, regardless the police's conclusion.

CCIIMM said:

It could if he never provided evidence and Shizuka, the prime suspect, just up and left. Also, your conclusion is also my conclusion.

neel_senpai said:
That same day, Shizuka told Takopi they would go to Tokyo

25jiNightcord said:
Azuma likely didn't tell the police about Shizuka--he probably confessed only to hiding the body and nothing more

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Something doesn't add up. In episode 5 happy Shizuka wakes up and goes to Tokyo straight away, very early in the morning. Her saying Azuma won't help me couldn't have happened the same day she left for Tokyo. Like, she was in the park when she spoke about Azuma. When she left for Tokyo she was at home in the bed first.
Basically, if Azuma confessed day prior to Shizuka's departure, it means police didn't immediately go to check for Shizuka for some reason and didn't even call her mother? We can't rule out that police is incompetent or delayed investigating Shizuka, but dunno how eager I am to believe in that.
It makes sense that Shizuka spoke about Azuma's betrayal after he confessed without taking the blame for murder, but then I wonder how the heck Shizuka found about that?! If they told in news that Azuma family member was connected to Marina's death, why would police delay investigating Shizuka for hours or day(s)? It makes more sense that police would first try to get Shizuka before news about Azuma's involvement leaked. No?

neel_senpai said:
are we supposed to believe the police couldn’t find Shizuka even after 3/4 seasons(month period) ? 😂 Come on, Japanese police aren’t that incompetent 🤣

neel_senpai said:
Azuma likely told the police about an alien killing Marina, but it’s unclear whether he mentioned Shizuka or not but even if he did mention Shizuka, the police didn't believe it as there were no proofs

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
This would make sense if not for Takopi's gadgets dude. For starters, as I said before, Shizuka was invisible so police cameras didn't see her leave the town. In anime they didn't translate entire newspaper articles about kidnapping but in manga it says that a girl resembling Shizuka was seen near dad's apartment prior to girls kidnapping. After kidnapping, Shizuka is never seen again. This is very easy to explain. Shizuka used Takopi's gadget to turn into an adult and kidnapped girls. Physically Shizuka wouldn't have managed it otherwise. Shizuka then held the girls captive somewhere. It's safe to assume she used invisibility gadget to steal food and water for herself and girls. Shizuka isn't total idiot so she would not appear in public openly. She'd always use disguise or invisibility.

In other words, it's not really police's fault for not finding Shizuka for months. You can't seriously expect police to take alien tools in equation when dealing with Shizuka's disappearance.

Dunno man, you believe whatever you want :).
Personally to me it makes ZERO sense why Azuma would tell police about alien, yet hide the fact Shizuka was there!!! I just find it incredibly silly. Azuma was the one who told Shizuka police would never believe alien killing Marina because ANY SANE PERSON would also come to same conclusion! And now you want me to believe that same Azuma told police about flying pink octopus??? That's insane! Again, I don't see how mentioning alien helps Azuma's case in the slightest. Quite the opposite. Police would NOT believe there was actually alien involved and suspect Azuma is bullshitting them or is clinically insane. Why on Earth would Azuma make things worse for himself by mentioning Takopi???

Mentioning that Shizuka was on crime scene makes 100x times more sense and helps Azuma's case a lot since it's more believable! You keep repeating that if Azuma mentioned Shizuka was there, police wouldn't believe it since there are no fingerprints etc. That doesn't matter! Shizuka was already suspected and if Azuma mentioned her, it would give police even more reasons to question her. There's no reason for Azuma to stick for Shizuka and potentially harm own case. If Shizuka didn't make it to Tokyo and was captured by police, what do you think would happen? I don't think she'd hide the fact Azuma helped him. That would reveal Azuma was lying and bullshitting police! It's really stupid for Azuma to hide the fact Shizuka was at the crime-scene. There's nothing to gain from it! Hiding camera makes sense. Hiding the fact alien was involved makes sense! Hiding the fact Shizuka was there makes ZERO sense. "I panicked, didn't want Shizuka to be falsely blamed for killing Marina, so I decided to help Shizuka by hiding Marina's body." How does this not make sense? Mentioning alien overcomplicates things and makes Azuma more suspicious, period!

Dunno. I think we've reached the point where there's nothing left to argue about. Believe whatever you want to believe. I'll stick to the theory that I believe makes the most sense.

neel_senpai said:
you are telling me she was wondering off kidnapping two child, wondering around Tokyo, get into a trouble with the Ferry

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@neel_senpai You're not making sense with that poor English. You also sound awfully irritated for no reason and start to resemble a jerk with that wordplay. Adding dumb smileys doesn't make the whole picture better either. If you can't have a constructive dialogue, don't start threads. If you don't have anything to say, don't answer.

Take this for instance: What the hell is this gibberish???

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@neel_senpai It's clear to me you don't know what you're talking about and rely heavily on ChatGpt to do the talking for you. As if using smileys wasn't enough evidence of low intelligence...

Gibberish - Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense.

This here is an example of one:


You're either obtuse, don't read my comments or don't understand plain English.

I'll be quoting the part you edited to make it look like you make some sense:


If you had actually read what I said couple of times, you'd understand that police would NOT be able to find Shizuka since she's using Takopi's gadgets that turn her invisible and/or transform her into a different person!

She already used invisibility gadget to sneak on the ferry, sneak on bullet train, on bus, to steal cookies, to get inside dad's apartment complex.

Instead of going full clown-mode, and instead of ChatGPT, use that brain of yours a little.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@assignedgengar what makes you suggest he did and why?
Even if Junya were to tell the police he helped hide Marina's body (pretending he killed Marina is idiotic and not even worth considering), once police got to Shizuka and heard her version, it would be clear Junya is lying and Azuma was involved. Basically Azuma would get in trouble anyways. Junya taking the blame makes 0 sense since there's still a murderer who is yet to be found, there's murder weapon that need to be recovered (camera, and as we saw Azuma still had it so there's no way he or Junya took it to police) and most importantly there's Shizuka who needs to be questioned first. Junya I believe isn't retarded enough to confess to something he didn't do expecting that police will NEVER find Shizuka or Takopi and never hear their version of what happened.
It makes more sense to believe Azuma confessed in helping hide the body and said Shizuka was involved even though neither of them did the murder.
Clinic closed down and Junya git fired because Azuma, their family member, was suspected of a crime and that's enough to put shame on entire family and for society to judge them harshly and unfairly. As several people pointed out, in Japan social pressure is insane in such cases. Family gets harrassed or bullied and stigmatized, even though the suspect may be innocent.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@assignedgengar How is it the ONLY sensible explanation though?

Azuma is 10yo, even if he's found guilty for concealing body, he'll still be punished less than high schooler Junya who police can easily suspect for murder, which you'd agree is way worse. Junya making up BS story to take blame overcomplicates things by a huge margin and guarantees a much harsher penalty for him. What I'm saying is, Junya doesn't need to sacrifice himself. Azuma feels bad for what he did with Marina and we're supposed to believe he'd let Junya save his ass by sacrificing himself??? Then what? He'd continue living like nothing while Junya rots in prison? Azuma may still be a kid, but he wouldn't be fine with Junya taking blame for him. Junya's also supposed to be the smartest. Do you think he wouldn't take into account Shizuka's testimony?
What happens if police get Shizuka and she tells Azuma helped her, not Junya? What if Shizuka says Junya killed Marina?
Do you get my point? Junya would not save Azuma by taking blame. He'd be exposed for lying while his brother becomes suspect anyways. Innocent Junya then becomes guilty by default. Depending on what Shizuka says, they can both be prosecuted. Meanwhile, if Azuma says he doesn't know who killed Marina and simply helped hide the body, he'd get a lighter punishment; even though public stigma is still unavoidable.

Another thing that doesn't add up is Azuma's words to Takopi. If Junya got arrested, why wouldn't he straight up say Junya took the fall for me. Instead he talks about Junya getting fired and how he may not go to college anymore. My point is, he'd be more devastated if Junya actually took the blame. As people have pointed out, there are other reasons why Junya got fired like stigma, tarnished family reputation, as well as condition of mom. If Azuma's mom is bedridden, it makes sense that Junya would focus on family rather than going to college.

assignedgengar said:
Junya is also a minor. He didn't go to prison, but his record was tarnished, ruining his career/future.

assignedgengar said:
Azuma *does* feel worse about it all. He makes that abundantly clear.

assignedgengar said:
They mentioned the older sibling everyone trusted & admired.

assignedgengar said:
Now, I really don't care what your next response is, I have enough writing to do for work & you're not paying me for my time & energy.

APolygons2 said:
My Interpretation was that the brother took the blame for him and ended up in juvenile detention. That's why Azuma said he won't be able to go to colleague and lost his job. But even if Azuma had confessed:

1. Shizuka was out of town, I mean she did also kidnap two kids for a while, so she was probably on the police watch even if no one had confessed
2. Azuma didn't necessarily have to tell the police about her too, he could have taken the full blame.


But I do think it was heavily implied that the brother was the one who took all the blame.

APolygons2 said:
@neel_senpai Why do you think what I said doesn't make sense?

For the sake of the narrative, it would be a much more logical direction to make the older brother take the blame. What else would be the point of their interaction? The whole scene was as powerful as it was, because it was the moment Azuma finally decided to rely on his older brother and talk to him.

I think Azuma was clearly going out, with the murder weapon to confess, before the brother saw him and talked to him, telling him that Azuma can rely on him.

I'm not saying what you are saying is "impossible" but the brother taking the blame is so strongly implied, that I can't see any other explanation as right, not when comparing it to that.

APolygons2 said:
@neel_senpai Why do you think what I said doesn't make sense?

For the sake of the narrative, it would be a much more logical direction to make the older brother take the blame. What else would be the point of their interaction? The whole scene was as powerful as it was, because it was the moment Azuma finally decided to rely on his older brother and talk to him.

I think Azuma was clearly going out, with the murder weapon to confess, before the brother saw him and talked to him, telling him that Azuma can rely on him.

I'm not saying what you are saying is "impossible" but the brother taking the blame is so strongly implied, that I can't see any other explanation as right, not when comparing it to that.