Everything is morally wrong in Mushoku Tensei S2 Eps 11

TsutanaiFuun said:
i ain't reading all that but i;ll say even if it is morally wrong so what of it?

Rango17 said:
This is not a hate post. I actually love Mushoku Tensei and it is in my top 15 anime. The world-building and the lore behind everything are insane. I strongly believe Mushoku Tensei is at least a 9/10 anime. I could write a whole essay on why MT is one of my favorite anime but that is not why I'm writing this today. I'm here to talk about the latest eps which I really don't like for a lot of reasons. Read till the end before replying to me. (AGAIN THIS IS NOT A HATE POST)

I am not opposed to polygamy and I will never be. In fact, I believe that polygamous relationships can sometimes benefit all parties involved. However, Rudeus having sex with Roxy is straight up cheating, no excuse. He is not yet married to Roxy. Some light novel readers are making excuses for him cheating on his PREGNANT WIFE such as "Rudeus is depressed," "He hasn't eaten for a month," "Sex is the last resort that everyone has discussed to get Rudeus out of depression," or "He needs sex to cure his depression." I will reply to each of the excuses and explain why they are still not acceptable for everyone involved including Elinalise, Roxy and Rudeus.

1. "Rudeus is depressed" and "He needs sex to cure his depression"

Marriage comes with enormous responsibilities to your spouse. It is not merely a plaything. If sex is his only way to overcome depression, then he is a pathetic, fragile, small-minded little boy with a mental age of 49 years old. He needs to think about the responsibilities that he has now that he is a married adult. A REAL MAN knows how to manage and handle his emotions and responsibilities. His wife is PREGNANT and here he is having sex with another woman to cure his depression. He needs to step up his ass on his own rather than keep relying on sex. "Rudeus is having a depression" is such a weak excuse to cheat on his wife. It is just as weak as "I was drunk, therefore I should be excused for 'accidentally' cheating on you". Depression is not a valid reason to cheat on his PREGNANT WIFE, whom he has left for at least three months or more. (KEY WORD - RESPONSIBILITIES)

2. He hasn't eaten for a month"

Imagine a situation where Roxy or no woman was there when Rudeus is in depression after his father was dead. Wtf is Rudeus gonna do? Be depressed all year long and die of starvation after not eating anything for more than a month which will ultimately leave his PREGNANT WIFE alone forever? I understand that Rudeus blames himself for his father's death, his mom is currently in a memory-loss state and he even lost his arm, but like I said, is he just gonna starve himself to death leaving his PREGNANT WIFE alone if there are no women around to have sex with him to cure his depression? Rudeus needs to learn to balance his emotions and responsibilities for once. That is what makes a man A REAL MAN. If he can't do that, he remains a pathetic little boy. Mind you, his mental age is 49 years old. I know I sound a little insensitive, but for me cheating on your wife is one of the worst things you could do to a wife who loves you wholeheartedly since they were a child. In conclusion, Rudeus is a pathetic, fragile, small-minded little boy with a mental age of 49 years old who can't even get over his depression by himself while forgetting all the RESPONSIBILITIES he has to his PREGNANT WIFE and needs to get pussy to be able to overcome it. (AGAIN, KEY WORD - RESPONSIBILITIES)

3. "Sex is the last resort that everyone has discussed to get Rudeus out of depression"

Oh my god. This is the weakest excuse I've heard so far from light novel readers. There are so many things wrong with this excuse. Is sex REALLY the best answer that they can come up with as the last resort to get Rudeus out of depression? Roxy's final answer and last resort to share Rudeus's sadness is sex?? Even though there are thousands of answers to get someone out of depression?? I don't know about you guys but sex is the last thing I wanna do when I'm depressed about my father's death and mom's unknown condition. Sex is the final answer? How about having a REAL TALK with Rudy. Instead of forcing him to have sex, they should have forced him to think about his CURRENT RESPONSIBILITIES as a married man with a PREGNANT WIFE waiting for at least three months for him to come back. Force him to think about what his dead father entrusted him to do after he died. Punch him if needs to be to get him out of depression. Reminds him that his father is dead and that he needs to be the one to step up and protect his family. Rudeus has lived life twice now including his previous life and i know he will not make the same mistake. He will not be shut in just like in his previous life when he has family waiting for him. He learned his lesson and someone just need to give him a REAL GOOD GOOD TALK. He has shown himself multiple times in the series that he won't repeat the same mistake. Cheating on his wife is not really necessary for him to overcome his depression if he really is a REAL MAN and I don't know why everyone thought that sex is a really good answer as a last resort.

Moreoever, did all of them ever stop and think about what Rudeus might think after he had sex when he was in depression while he currently has a PREGNANT WIFE waiting for him at home? He might blame himself even more for not being able to stay faithful to his wife. Things could get worse if Rudeus falls into depression even more after not being able to suppress his sexual desire and end up cheating on his wife. To sum it up, no matter how I think about it and try to do mental gymnastics on myself, sex is REALLY not the best answer that they can think of. In fact, it is the worst answer.

4. Roxy's action in the anime and Rudeus's action in the light novel

(Roxy's action in the anime)

Do I even need to say much about what Roxy did? She herself admits that she took advantage of Rudy when he was depressed. No need to sugarcoat it. What she did was disgusting and should never be excused. No matter how long she thought about doing that, it is still wrong for her to take advantage of Rudy even though she thinks she helps Rudy to get over his depression. And like I said above, sex should never be an answer to cure depression. There are thousands of ways to help someone get over depression and sex is not one of them.

(Rudeus's action in the light novel)

I heard that in the light novel, Rudeus was the one insisting to have sex with Roxy. Is he really such a pathetic, fragile, small-minded little boy that needs to cheat on his wife to get over his depression? I do not care if he is depressed or not. One's actions always have consequences especially since he is married. Your emotions are not a justification for everything wrong you do whether you're feeling happy, drunk, stressed or depressed. No emotion is a justification for cheating on his PREGNANT WIFE. He needs to be more responsible as a MARRIED MAN. What about his promised to Sylphie that he would be faithful to her? I guess he is just a big hypocrite and liar then. Did he ever stop and think about his PREGNANT WIFE waiting for him at home. I guess not, cause he just thinks with his tiny dick when he is depressed. I feel like people are glossing over the fact that Rudeus cheated on his wife. Imagine that Sylphie was the one who was depressed and cheated on Rudeus. People would go insane about that and start calling Sylphie a slut, whore and everything. It is the opposite for Rudeus. People are actually calling him a giga chad for CHEATING on his wife like WHATT?? The world has gone insane. I'm sorry but anyone who is justifying CHEATING is sick.

(The keyword for all of the above paragraphs is RESPONSIBILITIES)

TsutanaiFuun said:
complete rgb collection

TsutanaiFuun said:
the imoutos are gonna give hell to rudy for sure

Zarutaku said:
This statement is filled with judgmental and harsh language towards the characters and the audience who may have different opinions. It is important to remember that everyone interprets and reacts to media differently. While the writer is entitled to their opinion, it is not fair to label the characters as "pathetic, fragile, small-minded little boy" or to make bad faith assumptions about the intentions of the creators. It is also important to consider that different cultures and societies have varying views on relationships and marriage. Polygamy, while not common in all cultures, may be viewed differently in others.

Rango17 said:
I heard that in the light novel, Rudeus was the one insisting to have sex with Roxy. Is he really such a pathetic, fragile, small-minded little boy that needs to cheat on his wife to get over his depression? I do not care if he is depressed or not. One's actions always have consequences especially since he is married. Your emotions are not a justification for everything wrong you do whether you're feeling happy, drunk, stressed or depressed. No emotion is a justification for cheating on his PREGNANT WIFE. He needs to be more responsible as a MARRIED MAN. What about his promised to Sylphie that he would be faithful to her? I guess he is just a big hypocrite and liar then. Did he ever stop and think about his PREGNANT WIFE waiting for him at home. I guess not, cause he just thinks with his tiny dick when he is depressed. I feel like people are glossing over the fact that Rudeus cheated on his wife. Imagine that Sylphie was the one who was depressed and cheated on Rudeus. People would go insane about that and start calling Sylphie a slut, whore and everything. It is the opposite for Rudeus. People are actually calling him a giga chad for CHEATING on his wife like WHATT?? The world has gone insane. I'm sorry but anyone who is justifying CHEATING is sick.

Anupam_Singh said:
well.. it's clear as a day that it's morally wrong.. but the world of mushoku tensai is kinda like tht... everyone is pervert or creep there.. everybody is a sex addict there.. it's kinda normal in that world... Paul is an example.. despite having a beautiful wife and a child he still did it with lilia.. Elinase has a curse of having sex in specific days.. that's just how the writer has portrayed the world there ..

_just_why said:
You can shove your morals into your arse, no one asked for it.
It's just an anime if your morals are being hurt just don't watch

SimplyBrazen said:
"Polygamy itself is immoral and outdated, you can't possibly speak of morality when you adhere to such beliefs." - I could say sth like this to you and there will be a never-ending discussion on "right and wrong" and which side is morally correct. Morality is a subjective construct, if certain elements in a fictional story go against your own morality then that's your own problem.

SimplyBrazen said:
Why you acting like Rudeus before this episode was an upstanding citizen or sth LMAO. He's literally been a scum for most of the series, but NOW you want to point out his hypocrisy and pathetic side...

EmilCioran said:
it ruins the impact of the last episode if rudeus can just feel better after roxy forces herself onto him. this definitely isnt how sex works

EmilCioran said:
the author has probably never even touched a woman with that in mind

n0tSamir said:
ive read the whole paragraph........(it's anime turn your brain off)

Rango17 said:
According to you, is it morally right or wrong for a married man to have intercourse with a woman who is not your wife, without your PREGNANT WIFE knowing?

Rango17 said:
Well, someone else has made a thread about what he did before but this time i don't see anyone talking everything i just wrote.

Rob7 said:
It was morally WRONG that in the whole scene we had not any image of Roxy acutally nude.

SATAN19 said:
I forget the part where the series claims to be morally correct or anywhere in the anime where any of the characters claim to want to be morally correct.

SATAN19 said:
I forget the part where the series claims to be morally correct or anywhere in the anime where any of the characters claim to want to be morally correct.

SATAN19 said:
I forget the part where the series claims to be morally correct or anywhere in the anime where any of the characters claim to want to be morally correct.

Piromysl said:
No matter how many times you'll repeat "it's not a hate post" nobody is gonna fall for obvious mental gymnastics made to validate a bad take.
We all know that haters are coping hard because Rudy's improvement is undeniable and haters have been thirsting for to something to latch on to for over a year now, but this is just petty.

Rango17 said:

I guess even when Rudeus "grape" a character we are not supposed to condemn huh?

The series might not claim anything but a character can still do something wrong.

Rango17 said:

Whatever you wanna believe my guy🤷... No matter what you say, I still love Mushoku Tensei and I can also dislike some parts of it.

Rango17 said:
This is not a hate post. I actually love Mushoku Tensei and it is in my top 15 anime. The world-building and the lore behind everything are insane. I strongly believe Mushoku Tensei is at least a 9/10 anime. I could write a whole essay on why MT is one of my favorite anime but that is not why I'm writing this today. I'm here to talk about the latest eps which I really don't like for a lot of reasons. Read till the end before replying to me. (AGAIN THIS IS NOT A HATE POST)

I am not opposed to polygamy and I will never be. In fact, I believe that polygamous relationships can sometimes benefit all parties involved. However, Rudeus having sex with Roxy is straight up cheating, no excuse. He is not yet married to Roxy. Some light novel readers are making excuses for him cheating on his PREGNANT WIFE such as "Rudeus is depressed," "He hasn't eaten for a month," "Sex is the last resort that everyone has discussed to get Rudeus out of depression," or "He needs sex to cure his depression." I will reply to each of the excuses and explain why they are still not acceptable for everyone involved including Elinalise, Roxy and Rudeus.

1. "Rudeus is depressed" and "He needs sex to cure his depression"

Marriage comes with enormous responsibilities to your spouse. It is not merely a plaything. If sex is his only way to overcome depression, then he is a pathetic, fragile, small-minded little boy with a mental age of 49 years old. He needs to think about the responsibilities that he has now that he is a married adult. A REAL MAN knows how to manage and handle his emotions and responsibilities. His wife is PREGNANT and here he is having sex with another woman to cure his depression. He needs to step up his ass on his own rather than keep relying on sex. "Rudeus is having a depression" is such a weak excuse to cheat on his wife. It is just as weak as "I was drunk, therefore I should be excused for 'accidentally' cheating on you". Depression is not a valid reason to cheat on his PREGNANT WIFE, whom he has left for at least three months or more. (KEY WORD - RESPONSIBILITIES)

2. He hasn't eaten for a month"

Imagine a situation where Roxy or no woman was there when Rudeus is in depression after his father was dead. Wtf is Rudeus gonna do? Be depressed all year long and die of starvation after not eating anything for more than a month which will ultimately leave his PREGNANT WIFE alone forever? I understand that Rudeus blames himself for his father's death, his mom is currently in a memory-loss state and he even lost his arm, but like I said, is he just gonna starve himself to death leaving his PREGNANT WIFE alone if there are no women around to have sex with him to cure his depression? Rudeus needs to learn to balance his emotions and responsibilities for once. That is what makes a man A REAL MAN. If he can't do that, he remains a pathetic little boy. Mind you, his mental age is 49 years old. I know I sound a little insensitive, but for me cheating on your wife is one of the worst things you could do to a wife who loves you wholeheartedly since they were a child. In conclusion, Rudeus is a pathetic, fragile, small-minded little boy with a mental age of 49 years old who can't even get over his depression by himself while forgetting all the RESPONSIBILITIES he has to his PREGNANT WIFE and needs to get pussy to be able to overcome it. (AGAIN, KEY WORD - RESPONSIBILITIES)

3. "Sex is the last resort that everyone has discussed to get Rudeus out of depression"

Oh my god. This is the weakest excuse I've heard so far from light novel readers. There are so many things wrong with this excuse. Is sex REALLY the best answer that they can come up with as the last resort to get Rudeus out of depression? Roxy's final answer and last resort to share Rudeus's sadness is sex?? Even though there are thousands of answers to get someone out of depression?? I don't know about you guys but sex is the last thing I wanna do when I'm depressed about my father's death and mom's unknown condition. Sex is the final answer? How about having a REAL TALK with Rudy. Instead of forcing him to have sex, they should have forced him to think about his CURRENT RESPONSIBILITIES as a married man with a PREGNANT WIFE waiting for at least three months for him to come back. Force him to think about what his dead father entrusted him to do after he died. Punch him if needs to be to get him out of depression. Reminds him that his father is dead and that he needs to be the one to step up and protect his family. Rudeus has lived life twice now including his previous life and i know he will not make the same mistake. He will not be shut in just like in his previous life when he has family waiting for him. He learned his lesson and someone just need to give him a REAL GOOD GOOD TALK. He has shown himself multiple times in the series that he won't repeat the same mistake. Cheating on his wife is not really necessary for him to overcome his depression if he really is a REAL MAN and I don't know why everyone thought that sex is a really good answer as a last resort.

Moreoever, did all of them ever stop and think about what Rudeus might think after he had sex when he was in depression while he currently has a PREGNANT WIFE waiting for him at home? He might blame himself even more for not being able to stay faithful to his wife. Things could get worse if Rudeus falls into depression even more after not being able to suppress his sexual desire and end up cheating on his wife. To sum it up, no matter how I think about it and try to do mental gymnastics on myself, sex is REALLY not the best answer that they can think of. In fact, it is the worst answer.

4. Roxy's action in the anime and Rudeus's action in the light novel

(Roxy's action in the anime)

Do I even need to say much about what Roxy did? She herself admits that she took advantage of Rudy when he was depressed. No need to sugarcoat it. What she did was disgusting and should never be excused. No matter how long she thought about doing that, it is still wrong for her to take advantage of Rudy even though she thinks she helps Rudy to get over his depression. And like I said above, sex should never be an answer to cure depression. There are thousands of ways to help someone get over depression and sex is not one of them.

(Rudeus's action in the light novel)

I heard that in the light novel, Rudeus was the one insisting to have sex with Roxy. Is he really such a pathetic, fragile, small-minded little boy that needs to cheat on his wife to get over his depression? I do not care if he is depressed or not. One's actions always have consequences especially since he is married. Your emotions are not a justification for everything wrong you do whether you're feeling happy, drunk, stressed or depressed. No emotion is a justification for cheating on his PREGNANT WIFE. He needs to be more responsible as a MARRIED MAN. What about his promised to Sylphie that he would be faithful to her? I guess he is just a big hypocrite and liar then. Did he ever stop and think about his PREGNANT WIFE waiting for him at home. I guess not, cause he just thinks with his tiny dick when he is depressed. I feel like people are glossing over the fact that Rudeus cheated on his wife. Imagine that Sylphie was the one who was depressed and cheated on Rudeus. People would go insane about that and start calling Sylphie a slut, whore and everything. It is the opposite for Rudeus. People are actually calling him a giga chad for CHEATING on his wife like WHATT?? The world has gone insane. I'm sorry but anyone who is justifying CHEATING is sick.

(The keyword for all of the above paragraphs is RESPONSIBILITIES)

Rango17 said:
@Piromysl Oh my god, are you serious? I know that Rudeus would 1000% not do that and will never do. I was replying to SATAN19 saying that the show does not claim to be morally correct. That's why i was making a hypothetical event to prove that we can still discuss about something in the show, one of them being morality, even though they do not claim to be moral.

Rango17 said:
@Piromysl Holy cow, i'm sorry if i insult your fav main character but you're not getting what I'm trying to say. I was just making an hypothetical situation to prove my point that we can still talk about morality of a show even though they do not claim to be moral. It doesn't have to be "grape". It can be anything else such as killing children. You're right about one thing though. My mind might be corrupted since "grape" is the first thing that comes to my mind when making a hypothetical event.