Please remove favorite button on hitler's page

Why would MAL do it ?

He's listed in the database, so it's normal for it to get the same treatment for the features of the site. Your personal bias toward him should not change the rules and structure of the site itself. We can say the same about works with dubious themes, or Hentai shows.

Anilist probably did it because they are user-friendly; their goal is not much to have a factual database, but to please their userbase. MAL did take some weird decisions tho, like removing Musics from the Top Anime page, so maybe they really will accept your change.

When talking about the objective uses of feature on a database site, i believe that it does. With the same reasonning, we could do the same thing you recommend to all Hentais or Romance stories featuring underaged characters as main ones. Pushing the reflexion way further, we could actually do the same for all shows with any kind of violence, or ones talking about drugs and the likes.



Nothing is spread from adding someone in your favorites, tho. You are seeing the implicit subtext because you know of world's history, but it should hold strictly no weight for the restrictions of features on a (database) site.

Anyway, the ones to decide will be the admins.

@Alexioos95 Beeing against nazism, hate crimes and hate speech can't possibly be described as a personnal bias. And allowing such ideas to spread shouldn't be possible on an anime website.

Keeping in mind hate speach isn't included in the freedom of speach, what pros are there to let it as it is ?

@Creepky In the US, the First Amendment makes no general exception for offensive, repugnant, or hateful expression. All speech is free, except for the following:

- Incitement to imminent lawless action (incitement);
- speech that threatens serious bodily harm (true threats); or
- speech that causes an immediate breach of the peace (fighting words).

"A free society must give much breathing space to hateful speech in order to avoid thought control and the censorship of unpopular views by the government. Instead of stifling free speech, we, as free citizens, have the power to most effectively answer hateful speech through protest, mockery, debate, questioning, silence, or by simply walking away."

There isnt use in exceptions when more exceptions can always be made not that neccisarily is actually the case if it is explicitly stated as only exception but people will try to push for others. You would need some objective universal rule. I at one point argued he should be removed since he wasn't the real author of Mein Kampf but rather Rudolf Hess was but i looked into it more and seems i was mistaken, it is a common myth that was spread.

But I do find the MAL rewrite synopsis of that manga oddly written as if Hitler himself wrote it lol

There isnt use in exceptions when more exceptions can always be made not that neccisarily is actually the case if it is explicitly stated as only exception but people will try to push for others. You would need some objective universal rule. I at one point argued he should be removed since he wasn't the real author of Mein Kampf but rather Rudolf Hess was but i looked into it more and seems i was mistaken, it is a common myth that was spread.

But I do find the MAL rewrite synopsis of that manga oddly written as if Hitler himself wrote it lol

@traed I am most disturbed that a run on sentence like that at the end got through quality control.

@traed I am most disturbed that a run on sentence like that at the end got through quality control.

Yes, remove it, the favorite button at least. There is nothing wrong with having him in the database as an original author of that manga adaptation, but since people can't fucking behave in a public website and like to be edgy babies, they can't be trusted to even have the option.


OH HOLY SHIT

You know, now that I think of it. For those of us who are a bit experienced on the MAL lore, this isn't even that shocking. That article on "positive portrayals of nazis in anime" and the resulting controversy are still fresh in my mind. I wonder if the site can be trusted to be sensible once and for all on the nazi bullshit, starting with this specific matter, or if they will just act like it is perfectly fine to have "funny" controversies regarding freaking Hitler and nazism apology/ironic celebration in a website that aims to be a reference in the international manga and anime community.


Are you comparing philosophers with a genocidal dictator and a cult leader that committed countless heinous crimes? I get your point that Hitler is not the only case of an infamous figure in the database, but this comparison you draw is complete nonsense.

I compare real life controversial historical figures to other real life controversial figures. Do you think that philosophers whose ideas inspired communist genocidal maniacs can't be seen as controversial by some users? If yes, then are any historical figures spreading dangerous doctrines (like those justifying genocide towards centr races, classes, or nations) okay, as long as they didn't implement them directly by themselves in any way? If yes, then should we go further and allow hate speech, i.e. racist and transphobic posts, to appear on the forum, as long as their authors don't attack any user or real life person directly?

You said my comparison was a nonsense, but it has proven exactly what I was talking about. Where is the line we need to draw between who can be seen as inappropriate to be added to the Favorites section, and who can be left alone? Where is the border between rational take on the database's functionalities and overly emotional, biased and full of fallacies conversation about it? One exception, implemented only because of the latter premises, will lead to people demanding other exceptions. If one group can have their voice heard, then why it can't motivate another group of people from demanding deactivating "add to Favorites" option for another character?

Their feelings can be justified on the exactly same level. You don't know what kind of stories they have and from what country they come from. I don't know for sure. No one does, because we are all different. For many Westerners, emperor Hirohito was just a monarch who ruled Japan, while for people living in China he was a top war criminal who had his cult, ruled the country, wasn't trialled for his crimes, and never apologized for them. Sort of like Adolf Hitler, eh? Too bad emperor Shouwa didn't write any popular book that would receive its own manga adaptation... Perhaps he would have been in the database.

Anyway, it's up to people responsible for the database and its structure. I would prefer to not see any exceptions, for the reasons I mentioned earlier, but to be clear, I don't care about Adolf Hitler's page on MAL or whether people add this awful person to their Favorites sections or not. I care more about structural stability. However, if there will be enough users wanting this change, then I won't be rustled if the staff members see it as enough to implement such thing. After all, "vox populi, vox Dei". ;)

Who even cares? Just block them, and move on... Also it seems kind of silly to arbitrarily change the feature for one page, especially considering there are multiple instances of Hitler in the database.



If you actually look at the page, you can see that he's in the database because Mein Kampf was made into a manga adaptation, and he wrote the source material it was based on. Maybe actually look at the page next time...

https://myanimelist.net/people/8700/Adolf_Hitler

They do the same thing with other people who have no inclusion in the anime / manga industry.

https://myanimelist.net/people/5732/Hideo_Kojima
https://myanimelist.net/people/7049/Shigeru_Miyamoto

This is common practice, not some bias.

Edit: You have fucking Marx on your page bro! He obviously doesn't have anything to do with manga, so you should know how this works!! I don't know why you act dense.

@DreamWindow I did look at his page already. Surprise, surprise, he had no voice acting roles and no staff positions. He's never made a direct contribution to manga or anime. He doesn't have a place here. If MAL is doing this with other people, then they shouldn't be here either. Even if a Hitler page qualifies as "consistent," then it's just a consistent error on MALs part, and he and the other twerps need to go.

I just added Marx yesterday after reading Adnash's post saying he's got a page. Marx shouldn't be here either, though, as he has never made a direct contribution to anime or manga. I just added him for funsies.

@DreamWindow I did look at his page already. Surprise, surprise, he had no voice acting roles and no staff positions. He's never made a direct contribution to manga or anime. He doesn't have a place here. If MAL is doing this with other people, then they shouldn't be here either. Even if a Hitler page qualifies as "consistent," then it's just a consistent error on MALs part, and he and the other twerps need to go.

I just added Marx yesterday after reading Adnash's post saying he's got a page. Marx shouldn't be here either, though, as he has never made a direct contribution to anime or manga. I just added him for funsies.