| Visual novels aren't played by the majority of people, that's obvious. However, why is it such a niche even in anime community? Is it due to the time spent on them? Or maybe because of the dragged pace of some VNs? |
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| Lots of reading involved, however they are gaining a lot of popularity (with the exception of 18+ VNs, this is only part of the genre that is dying). |
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| For a lot of people, reading isn't fun, so even if a visual novel has pictures and music and voice acting, the fact that it's basically a book turns a lot of people away from it. Some people don't even enjoy manga, they only like anime, but that's rarer. |
| A big problem outside Japan is translations, though that has gotten better over the years. Another problem is marketing. It seems anime fans are the only ones who know visual novels even exist. As visual novels are not anime, they are bound to appeal to different sorts of people. I got into visual novels through console gaming, and only because I've always enjoyed reading. They're not like the games I grew up with. |
LucifrostSep 18, 2023 3:05 PM
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| VNs are not easily accessible like Anime or even the niche form of manga. VNs can't be played on smartphones generally, and not much people like myself want to sit down and play them on a PC. I do like some Vns though. |
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VNs are not easily accessible like Anime or even the niche form of manga. VNs can't be played on smartphones generally, and not much people like myself want to sit down and play them on a PC. I do like some Vns though.
rohan121 said: VNs can't be played on smartphones generally, and not much people like myself want to sit down and play them on a PC. I too would rather use a smartphone over a computer. I should have mentioned the dearth of ports as a reason visual novels are not popular. Even when a port exists in Japan, it might not be sold elsewhere. |
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| Lots of reading and the problem of "I could be playing [other games name]". I play a lot of gatcha games and many feel like VN with a lot of text after text, it is not a bad thing and it allows them to create some really good alternatives, however, many times i dont advance on its story because I know i will have to stick to my phone for 45 minutes reading and reading and if i quit or just do something else, the game will log out and I will have to start all over again |
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| The only "visual novels" that I care about is Sakura Wars, but also Baldr Force. All the others are ultra weeb stuff and Steins;Gate is overrated. Steins;Gate had basic plot like 80s JRPGs also having a cast of teenagers which always go around messing things up. That's why it'll never be in my top 90 anime. The only thing Type Moon that I think is magnus opus material is Tsukihime. |
| For me, most of what I like about anime doesn't translate well to text-centric media, and given that VNs tend to lean pretty hard into anime tropes, I can find it tiring to sit through them. What I would like out of a VN is a serious attempt at literature, which are few and far between compared to something like moeges (which despite my love for slice of life anime, I find to be a complete waste of time). I think VNs have tons of potential, but in my experience they tend to be marketed mostly towards an already niche demographic. Also, I find that editing standards for prose are fairly lax compared to the West, which is a turn off for me. Certainly, translations play a large role in that, but when it comes to fluff and repetitive information, that stuff stands out like a sore thumb (I chose to go with the Umineko manga over the VN because I kept seeing people say how long-winded it is). |
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| A lot of VNs get censored, or never get a official English release. This means you must also be technically savy knowing how to patch your games. You must also accept sketchy download links pop ups, and sus websites to find said VNs. A lot force you to download in many parts wasting time. |
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You have to be an anime fan whilst also having a tolerance for reading novels.
That's also paired with the fact that there aren't a huge amount of visual novels to begin with. Most are eroge or dating sims which turns most normies and anime fans off. Even heavy hitters like Steins;Gate still have a very high weeb entry level due to the sheer amount of otaku culture prevalent in the story. Higurashi and Umineko also come to mind - they have some interesting concepts but ultimately you need high weeb tolerance to enjoy them.
So the prerequisites are:
(1) Be into anime
(2) Prefer longer stories to shorter, more curated anime series.
(3) Have a tolerance for reading long stories with questionable translations.
(4) Have high weeb tolerance since 99% of visual novels have references and settings that only appeal to otaku.
(5) Be distanced enough from normie culture to not cringe at the sheer weeb-factor of things like Umineko or Steins;Gate.
It's no wonder that visual novels are a niche, because most visual novels cater to a very specific niche of weebs. In order to expand the genre there needs to be more visual novels that relate to western audiences with more profound stories that aren't dating sims or porn games.
That's also paired with the fact that there aren't a huge amount of visual novels to begin with. Most are eroge or dating sims which turns most normies and anime fans off. Even heavy hitters like Steins;Gate still have a very high weeb entry level due to the sheer amount of otaku culture prevalent in the story. Higurashi and Umineko also come to mind - they have some interesting concepts but ultimately you need high weeb tolerance to enjoy them.
So the prerequisites are:
(1) Be into anime
(2) Prefer longer stories to shorter, more curated anime series.
(3) Have a tolerance for reading long stories with questionable translations.
(4) Have high weeb tolerance since 99% of visual novels have references and settings that only appeal to otaku.
(5) Be distanced enough from normie culture to not cringe at the sheer weeb-factor of things like Umineko or Steins;Gate.
It's no wonder that visual novels are a niche, because most visual novels cater to a very specific niche of weebs. In order to expand the genre there needs to be more visual novels that relate to western audiences with more profound stories that aren't dating sims or porn games.
WelcomeNyaster said: In order to expand the genre there needs to be more visual novels that relate to western audiences with more profound stories that aren't dating sims or porn games. Those games already exist, but they're a minority. There also exist a great many shorter visual novels that never receive any hype. |
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You have to be an anime fan whilst also having a tolerance for reading novels.
That's also paired with the fact that there aren't a huge amount of visual novels to begin with. Most are eroge or dating sims which turns most normies and anime fans off. Even heavy hitters like Steins;Gate still have a very high weeb entry level due to the sheer amount of otaku culture prevalent in the story. Higurashi and Umineko also come to mind - they have some interesting concepts but ultimately you need high weeb tolerance to enjoy them.
So the prerequisites are:
(1) Be into anime
(2) Prefer longer stories to shorter, more curated anime series.
(3) Have a tolerance for reading long stories with questionable translations.
(4) Have high weeb tolerance since 99% of visual novels have references and settings that only appeal to otaku.
(5) Be distanced enough from normie culture to not cringe at the sheer weeb-factor of things like Umineko or Steins;Gate.
It's no wonder that visual novels are a niche, because most visual novels cater to a very specific niche of weebs. In order to expand the genre there needs to be more visual novels that relate to western audiences with more profound stories that aren't dating sims or porn games.
That's also paired with the fact that there aren't a huge amount of visual novels to begin with. Most are eroge or dating sims which turns most normies and anime fans off. Even heavy hitters like Steins;Gate still have a very high weeb entry level due to the sheer amount of otaku culture prevalent in the story. Higurashi and Umineko also come to mind - they have some interesting concepts but ultimately you need high weeb tolerance to enjoy them.
So the prerequisites are:
(1) Be into anime
(2) Prefer longer stories to shorter, more curated anime series.
(3) Have a tolerance for reading long stories with questionable translations.
(4) Have high weeb tolerance since 99% of visual novels have references and settings that only appeal to otaku.
(5) Be distanced enough from normie culture to not cringe at the sheer weeb-factor of things like Umineko or Steins;Gate.
It's no wonder that visual novels are a niche, because most visual novels cater to a very specific niche of weebs. In order to expand the genre there needs to be more visual novels that relate to western audiences with more profound stories that aren't dating sims or porn games.
| @WelcomeNyaster Lol, which way western man? Weeb anime VNs or Gay Furry western VNs? Legit the only western VNs I can think of that are worth a damn are gay furry ones lol. |
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| They dont even do that well in Japan these days ive heard. Why would there be a lot of visual novel fans in the short attention span inpatient West of today? It would help if there was more available for tablets and phones both Android and iOS/iPadOS. I mean dont most people like to read laying in bed? ...well among other things from bed while playing. Also allows for on the go use. Yet they still are mainly aiming at PCs and consoles (though sometimes handheld) |
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@WelcomeNyaster
Lol, which way western man?
Weeb anime VNs or Gay Furry western VNs?
Legit the only western VNs I can think of that are worth a damn are gay furry ones lol.
Lol, which way western man?
Weeb anime VNs or Gay Furry western VNs?
Legit the only western VNs I can think of that are worth a damn are gay furry ones lol.
_Nette_ said: Legit the only western VNs I can think of that are worth a damn are gay furry ones lol. You mean you don't like Hanako Games? |
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They dont even do that well in Japan these days ive heard. Why would there be a lot of visual novel fans in the short attention span inpatient West of today?
It would help if there was more available for tablets and phones both Android and iOS/iPadOS. I mean dont most people like to read laying in bed? ...well among other things from bed while playing. Also allows for on the go use. Yet they still are mainly aiming at PCs and consoles (though sometimes handheld)
It would help if there was more available for tablets and phones both Android and iOS/iPadOS. I mean dont most people like to read laying in bed? ...well among other things from bed while playing. Also allows for on the go use. Yet they still are mainly aiming at PCs and consoles (though sometimes handheld)
traed said: It would help if there was more available for tablets and phones both Android and iOS/iPadOS. I mean dont most people like to read laying in bed? Not to mention, most people have phones... |
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traed said:
It would help if there was more available for tablets and phones both Android and iOS/iPadOS. I mean dont most people like to read laying in bed?
It would help if there was more available for tablets and phones both Android and iOS/iPadOS. I mean dont most people like to read laying in bed?
Not to mention, most people have phones...
| @Lucifrost I'm not sure on that. I don't know what percentage of Japan has smart phones these days and that is who these are mainly marketed at. I mean it would seem weird for Japanese companies of Japanese people making VNs that their friends won't get to play. They only adopted smartphones relatively recently to the point you don't even see smartphones depicted in anime till a couple years ago. |
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_Nette_ said:
Legit the only western VNs I can think of that are worth a damn are gay furry ones lol.
Legit the only western VNs I can think of that are worth a damn are gay furry ones lol.
You mean you don't like Hanako Games?
| @Lucifrost I actually own a couple of their games but haven't played them because Steam is an endless black hole. Lol. |
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@Lucifrost
I actually own a couple of their games but haven't played them because Steam is an endless black hole. Lol.
I actually own a couple of their games but haven't played them because Steam is an endless black hole. Lol.
| @_Nette_ You don't have to buy them through Steam. https://hanakogames.itch.io |
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VN is considered a reading medium and not everyone like reading. Taking this site as an example:
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VN is considered a reading medium and not everyone like reading. Taking this site as an example:
- the most popular Anime - AOT has 3.8M members
- the most popular Manga - Berserk has only 650k members
- the most popular LN - Hako Mari has only 100k members
| @kizumi91 I had no idea that novel has so many members. I've not once seen it mentioned outside MAL. |
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@kizumi91
I had no idea that novel has so many members. I've not once seen it mentioned outside MAL.
I had no idea that novel has so many members. I've not once seen it mentioned outside MAL.
| @Lucifrost It was hyped and has gained its status back then, I guess that's why: https://web.archive.org/web/20160301053319/https://myanimelist.net/manga/55215/Utsuro_no_Hako_to_Zero_no_Maria |
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@Lucifrost It was hyped and has gained its status back then, I guess that's why: https://web.archive.org/web/20160301053319/https://myanimelist.net/manga/55215/Utsuro_no_Hako_to_Zero_no_Maria
| @kizumi91 That would explain why not as many people have actually read it compared to Jobless Reincarnation. Both have more votes than Song of Saya, the most popular entry on VNDB. Saya's not even a story with mainstream appeal... |
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| @Lucifrost I was more referencing I have tons of games on Steam I am desperately trying to get through with no end in sight. I think I played the princess raising one and got a bad ending in 10 minutes and got mad and quit. Was not in the mood for it but maybe I should return to that one. I also own Science Girls so maybe I will sit through that one someday once I stop playing furry/scalie games like a degenerate. |
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| Because they require you to read, not just stare at pictures with dialogue bubbles. There are other reasons of course, like a lot of them being incredibly fucked up and complex story-wise for an average MAL normie. Obviously, I am only talking about Japanese works, Western VNs are garbage and not even worth mentioning. |
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| Lack of advertising and general availability through local stores, I would say. Unlike Manga in a regular book store, you probably won't find any VNs in any shop in a Western country (not including Japan itself), but much rather just J-RPGs or J-RPG-hybrids While there are more and more official releases digitally, there are still lots which are not translated or only fan-translated without an official puplisher and those require some configuration to change your regional settings to Japanese or additional applications like AppLocale. |
| For me it's just tons of reading... (at least with the ones I've played). Like I'm still trying to finish Maitetsu Pure Station after starting it about 3 years ago now, and even though I absolutely love it... there's pretty much nothing to do other than read. And even though I like reading, sometimes it makes me feeling like reading an actual book or play something else instead. |
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| i think vns aren't popular because there isn't as much interactivity like other games. but i see them getting popular with writers and indie devs for being a little easier to make and develop. |
| hello, it's me jojo and this is my website. |
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