Is 86 really that good?

Hornsby said:
I barely made it through the first season. The animation's pretty good. But the story is so repetitive and boring. There's a lot of anime that have done the same story but better. Take Iron-Blooded Orphans, that shit was fire. I feel IBO is so underrated considering this overrated boring thing.


^ Btw, there's a loli in season 2?? Pff, that's an immediate off-button for me.

Nirinbo said:
I can only tell about my experience. I dropped it because it was super boring, which means that it isn't well written or well directed enough for how slow it is.

The light novel might be better, I don't rule out that possibility.

Requiemofthewind said:
Ok im gonna stop the bait,but It's seriously Really that good?reccomended?is it one of the best Mecha anime yet?or even better than Evangelion and Gurenn lagann?
Idk yet still planning to watch 86,it has really high score in mal both anime and light novel.

Apolygon2 said:


86 is not well directed?

i mean i do get why someone may find it boring, but not well directed?

are you drunk, are you joking, or do actually believe that?

Nirinbo said:

No, I'm not fucking drunk, you stranger on the internet. Please tell me some examples of good directing in 86, but I mean during dialogues and not in action scenes.

I'm not counting action scenes because 90% of most anime, action ones like 86 included, is made of scenes of people standing still and talking. Those are the scenes that need to be made as interesting as possible and 86 utterly failed.

Apolygon2 said:


ok then.

but i'm not going to do it myself, since

1 this guy does it better

and 2 it would take a LOT of writing.

so just watch this and you can realize how wrong you are, since i believe 86 to be one of the best directed anime of all time and easily and by far the best directed anime this year.

https://youtu.be/fAl0kWbz1Fc

just give this a proper watch. it's only like 15 minutes long.

Nirinbo said:

I also watched the episode analyzed in the video since, coincidentally, I had dropped 86 right before that one.

Just as someone said in the comments of that video, the directing is still painfully average, aside from a FEW scenes that don't change my overall opinion of it. If you liked 86 good for you, I won't change your mind, but this isn't one of the "best directed anime of all time". Odd Taxi might fit this definition, among the anime that aired this year.

inim said:
86 is a mixed blessing. Thematically it's quite good, nice to see serious and dark anti-war themes picked up. Stands out for sure from the forgettable seasonal bulk ware. The presentation triggers me a bit, characters are too young and there really is no need for a military officer to wear ganter belts other than cheap fan service. But overall: good to see a show like that tailored for a new audience.

86 (2021)
Grim-dark sci-fi version of All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) in a racist dystopia. Genuinely good writing and animation. The fly in the ointment is the abnormally young cast, and details like the Major's stripperific uniform. Otherwise a really good show with a very strong anti-war and anti-racism message. What confuses me in particular is the mix of modern, crisp and detailed animation of 10-16 year old protagonists mixed with a deeply disturbing setting of government organized murder, not short of the levels seen in FMA:B. It doesn't help that those kids are presented as veterans of 4-5 years front experience, i.e. soldiers since they were 10 and younger. Same for their commanding officer, a girl of maybe 15-16 years and the rank of a Major.

Thematically it's clearly worth a much higher rating, and visually it's impressive as well - the mecha scenes in particular are top notch action. If this is the way to get young audiences interested in more serious and political stories, so be it. I'm struggling with the mix, but in a good way because despite all this it's a show standing out from the ever same mediocre happy go lucky anime shows so prevalent this year. (7/10)

Sagepool said:
The only people who like this show are new watchers(baby weebs). 86 is the most bare bones mecha show ive seen in a while. Its so boring because the characters are insanely basic. The only good part is the actual animation for the mech fights and the overall mystery which isn’t even talked about it. It was hard to sit through sometimes. I don’t recommend this show, its painfully average.

arcast said:
for people who find this confusing watch the first 2 minutes of the recap before the first episode. should help understand a bit more of what the fuck is going on

86 is highly subjective and either an 11 or 1 depending on the viewer
watch the first few episodes and form your own opinion instead of looking for them here

Sagepool said:
The only people who like this show are new watchers(baby weebs). 86 is the most bare bones mecha show ive seen in a while. Its so boring because the characters are insanely basic. The only good part is the actual animation for the mech fights and the overall mystery which isn’t even talked about it. It was hard to sit through sometimes. I don’t recommend this show, its painfully average.

-Mention- said:
86
it's either an 8 or a 6 for you, simple

Nirinbo said:
I can only tell about my experience. I dropped it because it was super boring, which means that it isn't well written or well directed enough for how slow it is.

The light novel might be better, I don't rule out that possibility.

Whyyouask said:
real there’s nothing memorable about the characters and the female mc is so naive it’s not even funny and it’s ironic because I don’t even bash characters in this form going surmising their horrbile traits but just hearing her say you knew all along that you weren’t going to be set free and yet still keep on fighting yes no dubshit Sherlock even the alba kids know she seen how everyone in her country viewed 86 and was surprised like nah that shit wack this is the perfect example of people over hyping an anime thee rating on this is higher than eminence in shadow this shit is ridiculous

addie1998 said:
because eminence in a shadow is cringe AF...

Whyyouask said:
the mc is a naive princess everything she says or does is unwatchable 86 is also heavily political like bro this shit is a six

Whyyouask said:
it’s obvious this is bait and satire 86 female mc is excruciating to watch eminence in shadow consistent of gag humor purposely still doesn’t pertain to the plot tho stop being ignorant

addie1998 said:
nah i skip and fast forward a couple of episodes of eminence because im dying of cringe and 86 is just a lot of better for me imo...

Whyyouask said:
you just have horrible taste as to how you were able to watch 86 with a navie oblivious mc is baffling it’s little development in her character like 86 is actual mid your just using selective prejudice I was watching ep 8 part one hearing her talk to the male mc trying to convice him why do you still fight why don’t you just leave and him saying and go where bro that’s the DEFINITION of horrible writing and it’s not even up for debate at this point you just have horrible taste and your comment makes it clear regardless if an tv anime what’re is trash I’m not gonna skip to the good part it’s shows your impatient and immature if wouldn’t be surprised if you’re under 18 only a child would “Skip to the good part” meanwhile everything about eminence is good you’re literal defending a Mecca anime Meccas are the worst genre in history bro the idea revolving around mecca has been around for like 50 years and you still get chills when people get inside robots grow tf up literal

addie1998 said:
the popular line "you just have a horrible taste bro" lmao, please look at my list before saying any of this shxt

Edit: you just love trash isekai "the real worst genre"

Whyyouask said:
your synopsis is stemmed from nonsensical prejudice against iseaki iseaki isn’t some sub narrow genre some writers are just extremely poor doesn’t make the entirety of the genre trash in it’s self for ex jobless reincarnation time I got reincarnated rishing shield hero?!?! Smh now I’m getting a clear picture of what’s goning on you dislike iseakis in general so ofc you’d shot on eminence you’re devoutly bias so your opinion on Iseakis hold no merit I also like how you pick and choose what’s good and bad based on your preferences if something in eminence was bad I’d say it the only thing that’s not bad just should of been done different and it’s mainly because since people dislike the harem aspect for no reason other than plain discriminatory it forced them to make an anime where the guy isn’t entertaining the harem and that’s an aspect that could of went went very well you see no bias in my statement you can’t even admit that yes the female mc is uninteresting to hear and overtly naive like her naivety is bad horrible it makes it unwatchable the first mistake having a girl mc that shit ass but her having a horrible personality using her own anger to randomly attack her friends no wonder the doctor girl said I hate you too her this girls a bad character your just too blind to see the faults my list better than yours by the way you have a bunch of mid oshi no ko is good but the genre it’s in is mid so mid hell paradise premise of the plot is a death game theme seen better you gotta update that list my list far exceededs yours even though I’m ngl some I rated abnormally high only because it was harem needed to support the genre but yeah still overall better

Whyyouask said:
you just have horrible taste as to how you were able to watch 86 with a navie oblivious mc is baffling it’s little development in her character like 86 is actual mid your just using selective prejudice I was watching ep 8 part one hearing her talk to the male mc trying to convice him why do you still fight why don’t you just leave and him saying and go where bro that’s the DEFINITION of horrible writing and it’s not even up for debate at this point you just have horrible taste and your comment makes it clear regardless if an tv anime what’re is trash I’m not gonna skip to the good part it’s shows your impatient and immature if wouldn’t be surprised if you’re under 18 only a child would “Skip to the good part” meanwhile everything about eminence is good you’re literal defending a Mecca anime Meccas are the worst genre in history bro the idea revolving around mecca has been around for like 50 years and you still get chills when people get inside robots grow tf up literal

MrJ588 said:
Cringe teenager accusing people of horrible taste and being "under 18" while throwing a tantrum like a cringy 13-year-old when someone says they don't like eminence in shadow.
You know what's funny? You are the definition of having trash taste lol. There's nothing wrong with having trash taste though, I myself like eminence in shadow as well as many trash isekais but I am self-aware that I like trash anime. 
Also 86 is not a mecha anime, the mechs here are no different than regular tanks and IFVs. They are just tools that the characters use to fight, the story wouldn't change one bit if you replace all the mechs with regular tanks. There's no story revolving the mechs. If 86 is a mecha anime then Girls und Panzer is also a mecha anime. 

Whyyouask said:
”not a Mecca anime” characters entering robots to fight no still not a mecca 🤬🤬 sounds like cope to me🤭let me guess gurren not a Mecca either LMFAOOOOOO

MrJ588 said:
Firstly, let's start with some nitpicking. It is not a "robot". Robots are defined as machines that are capable performing tasks automatically. So while the legions are robots, the mechs that the characters use are not. They are in fact no different than cars, or tanks, or IFVs in the real world, they are just vehicles that are controlled by the driver. But well that is nitpicking, but still gotta make that clear. Secondly, there is virtually no difference between the mech in 86 and a tank. Or if you want to be nitpicky, the Juggernaut is basically a mobile gun system, similar to the Stryker M1128 MGS, and the Vánagandr is similar to a M1 Abrams tank. Funnily enough, the design of M4A3 Vánagandr is actually based on the M4A3 Shermans, a real life tank from World War 2. Thirdly, is Star Wars a mecha because imperial troopers enter AT-AT to fight? lol. Is Girls und Panzer a mecha anime because the girls enter tanks to "fight"? Entering a vehicle to fight doesn't mean it is a mecha anime. In a real mecha anime, the mech is the center of the story or at least a big narrative part of it, however, there is no narrative around the mechs in 86, and nothing would have changed if you replaced the mechs with regular tanks. Like if you replace all the mechs in 86 with a bunch of M1 Abrams the story will still be virtually the same, the only adjustment you have to make is giving the M1 Abrams a bunch of legs so they can travel in all terrain. Can you replace the mechs in Gurren with regular tanks? I don't think so, you will have to rewrite the story completely.  

To elaborate more on that, the mechs in 86 are basically spider-like tanks that are used quite often in mainstream scifi, it is just a scifi trope of giving legs to tanks to boost mobility. There are so many examples of similar vehicles in mainstream scifis: Soviet Reapers in Red Alert 3 and AT-AT in Star Wars, just to name a few. Is Star Wars a mecha movie? I don't think so. If you replaced the mechs in 86 with just tanks, nothing would change. The reason is that the mechs in 86 have their designs based on tanks and IFVs in real life, apart from the legs, and also use the same doctrine as tanks and IFVs in real life. In the Giad military for example, the mechs either stay at range to provide fire support for infantry or lead infantry to capitalize on breakthroughs. You can see that in the battle scenes of Giad military. Classic tanks and IFVs doctrine. Get down to the low-level unit tactic, in the Spearhead squadron, they also use the basic fire and maneuver tactic (or fire and movement) that tanks and IFVs use irl: a fire team provides fire support from range, another fire team makes rapid movement, often to flank the enemy. Of course they can do more fancy stuffs than regular mechs from Giad military, like using the grapple to get on top of buildings to provide better fire support. But in any case, both low-level unit tactic and the main doctrine are close enough to real life so that they are no different than regular tanks and IFVs. Shin is the only crackhead that sprints towards the enemy formation and kill them with blades because he has the protagonist buff. So if 86 is a mecha anime, then Girls und Panzer is also a mecha anime. 

Also I like how you basically admit that you have trash taste. That's a big progress for you, I like it.

Whyyouask said:
I bet you thought your given response was well thought and clever, But here’s my carvet that could dismantle you in one fell swoop. If 86 had real life tanks it would be considered a military. Even though it is a military anime that isn’t the subject of the matter, To out right not consider 86 a Mecca anime is intellectually honest. According to Wikipedia it states, “mechs are giant robots or machines controlled by people”. It’s quite frankly in the wiki🗿 stop using false other derivatives to justify your baseless point. I’ve read your entire statement and thou I appreciated such commitment to such, it’s obvious you’re just activating a defense mechanism, because regardless of the concept surrounding the anime even tho concept still wack tee hee, still doesn’t exclaim that said anime is trash. How can you not grasp mc being too navie having unrealistic expectations and being tedious it’s an unwatchable dropped anime, and the qualities surrounding such doesn’t redeem it in the slightest.

MrJ588 said:
Firstly, 86 does not have “real life tanks”, it has “scifi tanks/armored vehicles” similar to AT-AT from Star Wars and so many different SCIFI tanks and armored vehicles from mainstream media. “Tanks with legs” is a scifi concept, it is not a “real life” technology. Secondly, 86 is as “military” as it can get, on the same level as GATE and Legends of Galactic Heroes, it features military operations, actual military doctrines, strategies and low level unit tactics, and even logistics. In addition to that, main characters are all soldiers. What more do you need? So in fact you did not have any caveat that could dismantle my arguments, in fact you only said some random stuffs which were entirely irrelevant to the point and could be easily be proven to be just wrong. I know you are using an argument tactic to change the subjects when you can’t make any counter-argument, but you are just so wonderfully wrong about everything so your tactic doesn’t even work lol.
With your quote, you basically just proved that 86 rarely have any mech at all. Your words, not mine. “mechs are giant robots or machines controlled by people”, emphasis on giant. “Mechs” in 86 are about the size of real life tanks, therefore they are not giant. They also weigh the same too, Juggernaut’s weight is similar to MGS’s weight and Vánagandr’s weight is similar to MBT’s weight. The only “mech” in the series with your description then would be the final boss, that’s about it lol. And in addition to that, if you plan to argue “no no the giant part doesn’t matter”, then Girls und Panzer have mechs because the tanks are “machines controlled by people”. Then again, to be a proper mecha anime, you need the mechs to be a part of your narrative, if the mechs are just tools and do not make any difference if you replace them with real life tanks like in 86, it is not a real mecha anime, but a military anime/war anime. Plus the mechs in 86's mech designs are based on real life tanks and armored vehicles, for example, one is based on the Shermans and named after the Shermans too, they are not humanoid fighting machines. 
“it’s obvious you’re just activating a defense mechanism” it is actually the other way around, I make actual arguments with logics and facts behind my points, you have made zero proper counter-argument against my points, you are literally just arguing for the sake of arguing. I have never said anything about the quality of 86 so I don’t care if you want to say that it is trash. I said 86 is not an mecha anime so I proved you wrong. But I know exactly why you think it is trash. You are the type that only enjoys anime with self-insert power fantasy, anything that does not feature that kind of trope is boring for you. Now I get it that self-insert overpowered protagonists can be fun, I enjoy them too, but I am not stupid enough to go around accusing people of having trash tastes while rating obvious teenager power fantasy like Redo of Healer and Black Cover 10/10 lol.