Turn_A_Blum said: I think thats kind of a good way of putting it, it kind of feels like the show never actually did anything romantic with them but constantly pointed out it was romantic, really outside of that one scene of them hugging in the end of S1 their relationship at times felt less romantic than some blatant yuri bait series like say Yuru camp or lycoris recoil. What I needed was them tod elve more into how these 2 are supporting each other cause the juxtaposition of the holder background almost felt like it was used more to carry that weight in spite of it being a cleary portrayed negative system, but like without it I dont see how Miroine would really care that much other than her previous love interests being assholes.Yeah now i saw the rings. Still doesnt change the fact that the show didnt put too much effort in their relationship (as well as other elements of the story), so i wouldnt have been surprised if they end up as besties and nothing else. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
EmmyMoomin said: Its not shocking or out of no where, they are a romantic couple without any ambiguity i think its been that way since like ep 1 frankly (as in undeniably this is a yuri series not they loved eachother that early), the issue more is just the romance itself lacked development, and I think how obivous it was from ep 1 was the big disconnect for me, it felt like their relationship was thrown in your face from the get go and the pathway from a purely in name only fiance to genuine one felt kind of small. Turn_A_Blum said: Yeah now i saw the rings. Still doesnt change the fact that the show didnt put too much effort in their relationship (as well as other elements of the story), so i wouldnt have been surprised if they end up as besties and nothing else. That’s objectively wrong. I could understand having doubts early on, but episode 11 to episode 24 it really shouldn’t be so shocking that they got together, unless you just weren’t paying attention, it’s clear to anyone that they have romantic feelings. I'll be honest. I still dont really see WHY sulletta even likes her yet, it really feels like it was only brought on cause of the title like had she not accidentally won a duel but kept interacting with her it would go that route at all. Miroine i can at least kind of get cause Sulletta is basically a savior to her, she says as much in ep 11 and I keep bringing that up cause I genuinely like that scene in a bubble, its just not enough to carry the whole relatiosnhip cause i feel like the 2nd half really dropped the ball keeping em so apart. |
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Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
EmmyMoomin said: The more you literally attack and continue to insult me just because my opinion differs from yours, you prove nothing, but only continue to make yourself look like a toxic and unpleasant person. If you keep doing this, I will just stop replying to you because you are literally wasting my time with toxicity.RobertBobert said: Oh, now we've moved on to direct insults. Just don't waste my time. I'm sure you won't have a problem with other opportunities to shame yourself. Just not with me. Are we sure we're talking about a show that built the original framework around mimicking Utena and literally reducing most of the mecha action to duels to marry the girly part of the center couple? Yes, it was unnecessarily subtle given the show, most of the events of this show still revolved around the fact that Suletta became the fiance of Miorine and now the evil villains cannot carry out their evil plans. When they were torn apart, the show literally kept the focus on them yearning for each other, and although the odd chaste writing continued to have issues with that, it still swirled around their bonds the whole time. And I wouldn't call it "as subtle as the romance in other Gundams" since all the characters except Suletta and Miorine had no problem showing romantic feelings or intentions openly. Being direct with insults are the only way you’ll actually understand that something is an insult, considering anything even remotely indirect or subtle seems to fly over your head. JizzyHitler said: We seem to have a common complaint about the show, but based on different premises. You think their relationship was overly platonic with a lack of focus, and I think their relationship was overly platonic with overfocus because of an absurd attempt to keep things ambiguous for no real reason.Turn_A_Blum said: I think thats kind of a good way of putting it, it kind of feels like the show never actually did anything romantic with them but constantly pointed out it was romantic, really outside of that one scene of them hugging in the end of S1 their relationship at times felt less romantic than some blatant yuri bait series like say Yuru camp or lycoris recoil. What I needed was them tod elve more into how these 2 are supporting each other cause the juxtaposition of the holder background almost felt like it was used more to carry that weight in spite of it being a cleary portrayed negative system, but like without it I dont see how Miroine would really care that much other than her previous love interests being assholes.Yeah now i saw the rings. Still doesnt change the fact that the show didnt put too much effort in their relationship (as well as other elements of the story), so i wouldnt have been surprised if they end up as besties and nothing else. |
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EmmyMoomin said: Also kind of unrelated, but i think funnily enough (but not always) the gundam couples that do have a kiss scene are some of the MOST underdeveloped, this franchise has a weird case of actually starting so many romance plotlines with the kiss rather than bookending them or establishing a major turning point in the relationship. The tomino one people are smooching before they spend more than 10 minutes togehter, i always remmember how Amuro's love interest in zeta was exclusively cause she kissed him within 5 minutes of being introduced into the series. This franchise has had a long history of just not doing romance well.And as a side note that’s not related to your comment. Gundam couples rarely ever kiss. So Suletta and Miorine not having a kiss isn’t so strange. I think people are using that to discredit the ship as something like queer baiting/yuribaiting. If that’s yuribait then 90 percent of all gundam relationships are straight baiting. It’s great that they don’t kiss in gundam a lot of the time, it teaches it’s viewers that love is more than that. Also until you said it it didnt click with me just how many protagonist relationships dont have kiss scenes, if im not mistaken is it really only |
JizzyHitlerJul 2, 2023 8:10 AM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
animegamer245 said: There was nothing in this episode that went beyond the typical idealization of female friendship in anime. Hell, there was more sexual tension in every scene in Hibike Euphonium than in the whole G-Witch, but they were platonic. That's the problem with writing relationships on the show, because premise and the intention of making them a couple allowed for full-on romance, but in the end, only straight characters were allowed to directly discuss and show romantic affection. Or at least straight attraction, when Suletta got more sexual tension in a couple of scenes with Elan than with Miorine in the entire show.randomNumber248 said: They did give hints, it was just too subtle & not in your face enough for you to notice. If episode 11 didn't clue you in, I don't know what to tell you.I kinda like that they ended up together but they really should have given some hints that they have romantic feelings for each other, just a small blush or something... anything. Seems like all their feelings and romance just happened in the background? Or their marriage isn't a traditional "romantic" one, or a political one (seems unlikely)? |
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animegamer245 said: You are simply ignoring what I write in an attempt to argue for the sake of arguing. This is not about the fact that they did not have any relationship and they are allegedly only friends. The point is that their relationship was written too thinly and platonically without any need, and that even BEING MARRIED this is shown as subtly as possible, forcing us to understand this only on the basis of the rings and Eri's words about the daughter-in-law. You are literally told that the show was thin for no reason, and you respond by accusing people of denying the hints. It's such a mental gymnastics that I don't even know. I understand that using the "you deny gay" scarecrow and devaluing the straight experience of girls helps to make the argument easier to turn into a black and white confrontation, but by doing so you are devaluing your participation in it and wasting my time and yours. If you are going to continue to distort my words and unequivocally be rude to me when I point this out, then just do not write to me anymore. I do not want you to cry again and a year later come running again with complaints that I do not agree with you.RobertBobert said: Last time I checked most female friends don't get married to each other. You went on and on about this show being yuribait for months and got proven wrong in the end just take the L and move on with your life, I'm sure another yuri show will pop up in the future that you can waste more months of your life complaining about. Also Sulleta's feelings for El4n at most was just a childish Schoolgirl crush that she got over by episode 7, she was never in love with him & Miorine's attitude towards Suletta in that arc showed that she was jealous of their relationship. But who am I kidding, show don't tell type storytelling apparently too much for you, the characters have to constantly scream their feelings out loud for you to get it.There was nothing in this episode that went beyond the typical idealization of female friendship in anime. Hell, there was more sexual tension in every scene in Hibike Euphonium than in the whole G-Witch, but they were platonic. That's the problem with writing relationships on the show, because premise and the intention of making them a couple allowed for full-on romance, but in the end, only straight characters were allowed to directly discuss and show romantic affection. Or at least straight attraction, when Suletta got more sexual tension in a couple of scenes with Elan than with Miorine in the entire show. |
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RobertBobert said: nyugvo6 said: From the point of view of Gundam as a franchise, it was originally it. The only difference is the different sources of inspiration, and despite being manipulative in both shows, Avatar was more honest with the shippers. And yes, I'm not talking about a kiss. It takes a crazy shipper to ruin a show just for that.I think this show was a letdown to everybody, no matter what you wanted out of it. the most accurate description I've seen. it's not about shipping. it's about latching something drastically different in tone to an already established franchise, which ends up being way worse than the previous entries. I felt that iron blooded orphans was a series of copouts, where at every turn they took the less rocky and less fun path. witch of mercury didn't even attempt to do that. it remained a mostly slice of life thing with as less politics and fight scenes as possible. there was plenty of conflict and conspiring in the background but it wasn't in the focus. see, they said that they're trying to make gundam appealing to a new audience. they did this by removing the core of what makes a gundam show. is it really gundam if it's missing the key elements? yes there was a gundam in it and a char clone, which is like saying the disney star wars movies had a darth vader ripoff and lightsabers. |
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nyugvo6 said: Well, that's why the show is basically targeting people who either haven't seen Gundam before or just came here for yuri and don't really care about anything else. Which is kind of weird, since in the end the show was very lame with it, but it's enough for the shippers that something is gay. As far as I can see, Sunrise this afternoon announced a show that looks like a pretty pure return to the traditional formula (albeit again with a female protagonist, probably based on an old script draft), maybe they also want to go through this stage as quickly as possible despite the final G- Witch event in August.RobertBobert said: From the point of view of Gundam as a franchise, it was originally it. The only difference is the different sources of inspiration, and despite being manipulative in both shows, Avatar was more honest with the shippers. And yes, I'm not talking about a kiss. It takes a crazy shipper to ruin a show just for that. it's not about shipping. it's about latching something drastically different in tone to an already established franchise, which ends up being way worse than the previous entries. I felt that iron blooded orphans was a series of copouts, where at every turn they took the less rocky and less fun path. witch of mercury didn't even attempt to do that. it remained a mostly slice of life thing with as less politics and fight scenes as possible. there was plenty of conflict and conspiring in the background but it wasn't in the focus. see, they said that they're trying to make gundam appealing to a new audience. they did this by removing the core of what makes a gundam show. is it really gundam if it's missing the key elements? yes there was a gundam in it and a char clone, which is like saying the disney star wars movies had a darth vader ripoff and lightsabers. |
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animegamer245 said: You just don't listen to me and keep arguing about ships when you're told about the quality of writing them as a romantic relationship. Not even trying to have any meaningful discussion, you are just hostilely trying to protect the show as a sacred cow by any means. I'll just wave my hand and add you to the blacklist, because I'm just not interested in reading another stream of insults and distortion of my words from a person who first has absolutely lame and pointless arguments, and then cries that people do not agree with him (I'm not even going to rebut the apparently false claim that the topic of friendship was never brought up on the show, because trying to discuss something with you seriously is giving you a reason to be passive-aggressive again and argue for the sake of arguing). Goodbye.RobertBobert said: This goes to show how much of a speedwatcher you are, here's an interesting fact Suletta & Miorine never at any point in the series call each other or think of each other as friends, they always called each other bride & groom because that's what their relationship was, even if it didn't start off romantic, it grew romantic which is made clear in episodes 11 & 17 especially. Who cares if they didn't scream out loud that they were married, the point is it was shown in a way that anyone with a brain could get it, so there's absolutely no denying it. The only person crying is you, probably because you were desperately hoping this show was yuribait & got btfo by the end. I'm sure with how successful this show has been even with it's rushed ending more G-Witch content is gonna be made in the future & you'll be back these threads crying about yuri once again. Sunrise & Bandai are already milking the fuck out of SuleMio when it comes to merchandise show how successful it has been.You are simply ignoring what I write in an attempt to argue for the sake of arguing. This is not about the fact that they did not have any relationship and they are allegedly only friends. The point is that their relationship was written too thinly and platonically without any need, and that even BEING MARRIED this is shown as subtly as possible, forcing us to understand this only on the basis of the rings and Eri's words about the daughter-in-law. You are literally told that the show was thin for no reason, and you respond by accusing people of denying the hints. It's such a mental gymnastics that I don't even know. I understand that using the "you deny gay" scarecrow and devaluing the straight experience of girls helps to make the argument easier to turn into a black and white confrontation, but by doing so you are devaluing your participation in it and wasting my time and yours. If you are going to continue to distort my words and unequivocally be rude to me when I point this out, then just do not write to me anymore. I do not want you to cry again and a year later come running again with complaints that I do not agree with you. |
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RobertBobert said: normally Id say its just a pandering to the West kind of thing, but then again it seems they feared backlash from the chinses incels even though Chinese censorship is a thing there, but guess they can't stop the lower life from threatening the producers' same way they did with Lycoris Recoil who the shippers from china made a backlash over not getting Yuri ending Rumor has it that Sunrise got scared of the show's problems in a number of large but homophobic Asian countries, so they closed it early and left it in a nonsensical subtext. Like I said earlier, the show wouldn't have had such high expectations if they had promoted it as a spin-off from the start, but since they released it as a big full-on TV series, they had to both bait people on twitter and keep it to the max subtly so as not to suffer from Chinese censorship. All in all, a whole combo of ill-advised and false decisions that eventually led to the suicide of a show with interesting potential. Even VA didn't seem to be expecting this as Suletta's VA teased that we would have a beautiful finale with a wedding. |
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Raptors0verlord said: Huh, they've already fallen victim to it. And from the same people. They were literally pissed off by the development and focus on Guel, even if the last episode actually forgot about him despite the huge attention in episode 23 (this was most likely intended to move the popular male character away from yuri paradise in the finale). For example, about the "death of the brand because of nasty men" wrote the same Twitter accounts that still continue to insult the screenwriter of Licoris. It's just that Sunrise's attempt at flirting with yuri fans has gone so far on this show that the shipper fandom has gradually degraded into a classic "I hate men because they don't let women be lesbian" fandom that salivated every time the show didn't want to be all- female bishoujo mecha. Ironically, if the rumors are to be believed, the brand has indeed died, but just because of the excessive attention to the ships in the franchise, which even straight relationships usually wrote very vaguely.RobertBobert said: normally Id say its just a pandering to the West kind of thing, but then again it seems they feared backlash from the chinses incels even though Chinese censorship is a thing there, but guess they can't stop the lower life from threatening the producers' same way they did with Lycoris Recoil who the shippers from china made a backlash over not getting Yuri ending Rumor has it that Sunrise got scared of the show's problems in a number of large but homophobic Asian countries, so they closed it early and left it in a nonsensical subtext. Like I said earlier, the show wouldn't have had such high expectations if they had promoted it as a spin-off from the start, but since they released it as a big full-on TV series, they had to both bait people on twitter and keep it to the max subtly so as not to suffer from Chinese censorship. All in all, a whole combo of ill-advised and false decisions that eventually led to the suicide of a show with interesting potential. Even VA didn't seem to be expecting this as Suletta's VA teased that we would have a beautiful finale with a wedding. |
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animegamer245 said: your missing the point , a show doesn't have to be a Yuri-show just to have a yuri ship or a yuri ending , matter of fact WFM isn't a Yuri anime either yet here we are with a Yuri-ending Raptors0verlord said: Unlike this show Lycoris Recoil wasn't yuri to begin with, it wasn't even yuribait for that matter. People like you overestimate how much influence China has over anime productions, there are plenty of yuri series out there & even non yuri series that have kissing in it. Hell produces yuri work themselves. normally Id say its just a pandering to the West kind of thing, but then again it seems they feared backlash from the chinses incels even though Chinese censorship is a thing there, but guess they can't stop the lower life from threatening the producers' same way they did with Lycoris Recoil who the shippers from china made a backlash over not getting Yuri ending the reason why I brought Lycoris Recoil is is for two reasons : 1-preducers were insulted and still being attacked for not making a Yuri-ending 2- Lycoris Recoil doesn't need to be a yuri anime , all it needed is two underage-looking girls that are so close to one another and that alone opens up the door for yuri-shippers to push themselevs in even if the show itself isn't Yuri, and the fact that they already did should just goes to show you and no female led show is safe |
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animegamer245 said: it's not my fault if you can't see the writing on the wall, matter of fact I doubt you would see it if it was all over the skyRaptors0verlord said: WFW isn't a yuri show, but it did have a yuri pairing, which was set up from the beginning so the comparisons Lycoris doesn't make any sense. your missing the point , a show doesn't have to be a Yuri-show just to have a yuri ship or a yuri ending , matter of fact WFM isn't a Yuri anime either yet here we are with a Yuri-ending the reason why I brought Lycoris Recoil is is for two reasons : 1-preducers were insulted and still being attacked for not making a Yuri-ending 2- Lycoris Recoil doesn't need to be a yuri anime , all it needed is two underage-looking girls that are so close to one another and that alone opens up the door for yuri-shippers to push themselevs in even if the show itself isn't Yuri, and the fact that they already did should just goes to show you and no female led show is safe 1. It was obvious this show was gonna have a yuri ending by episode 11, hell I would say episode 7 so this comparison doesn't make any sense, obviously fans of this show never attacked the producers for not making a yuri ending, especially when the staff of the show were SuleMio shippers themselves. 2. How is that any different than what Fujos do, why does it really matter what the fans of the show are doing, it has nothing to do with the staff or their decisions. the moment I saw Lycoris Recoil and learned that the two mains are two girls I went "and here we go" the monet Chisato hugged Takina knowing early on that the show well have some of the most destructive yuritards as fans , matter of fact take any show that has two leads female without any male involve and 100% it well have yuri-shippers that won't hesitate to attack producers if they don't get their way -Sound! Euphonium -The Aquatope on White Sand - Lycoris Recoil if its a female-led show with two female leads and no male involved then you better expect shippers to ship and attack anyone who don't like it as for WFM having yuri paring , can you imagian what the shippers would have done if the producers decided to kill one of the two girls or just not get them married? |
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animegamer245 said: maybe you should read your own post again, keyword: yuribait Raptors0verlord said: Dude what are you even talking about at this point? Sound! Euphomium isn't yuri, the staff behind the anime just for some decided to throw in a lot of yuribait, when the source material had none. Anyway back on topic why are we debating what if scenarios? Obviously the people behind the show weren't gonna kill one of the main 2 girls off because WFM just isn't that kind of show, and they got engaged from the beginning so it was obvious they were gonna get married by the end. The point is the show introduced the 2 leads as a yuri pair and they followed through with at the end despite antiyuri shitposters spamming every episode about how it was bait or how one of the main girls is gonna die and ultimately ended up being wrong.it's not my fault if you can't see the writing on the wall, matter of fact I doubt you would see it if it was all over the sky the moment I saw Lycoris Recoil and learned that the two mains are two girls I went "and here we go" the monet Chisato hugged Takina knowing early on that the show well have some of the most destructive yuritards as fans , matter of fact take any show that has two leads female without any male involve and 100% it well have yuri-shippers that won't hesitate to attack producers if they don't get their way -Sound! Euphonium -The Aquatope on White Sand - Lycoris Recoil if its a female-led show with two female leads and no male involved then you better expect shippers to ship and attack anyone who don't like it as for WFM having yuri paring , can you imagian what the shippers would have done if the producers decided to kill one of the two girls or just not get them married? also they had no problem killing the MC of IBO , what made you think they wouldn't do this with this one? as for Sound! Euphomium the two main girls had waymore chemistry than the two females of WFM and there is still shippers hoping it becomes canon ignoring the source , at this point I don't know what is you're aiming with your reply? you think that an anime being a non-yuri would keep the shippers away but in actually the shippers don't care if its a yuri-show or not or if the two charaters are hinted at being lovers or not like seriously have you actually watched the show? the other shows I mentioned had the two female leads having more chemistry while the two females her has almost non |
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animegamer245 said: so you were 100% confident it wasn't a Yuribait when the first season ended? then you haven't been paying attention to the things that is going on with the recent female-led shows, also lighthearted? clearly you haven't seen the prologue episode Raptors0verlord said: Okay WFM isn't yuribait so what's the point you're trying to make here. Most Gundam shows aren't like IBO, WFM especially considering how light hearted it is in comparison. Anyone with a brain knew that neither of the MC's were gonna die considering how only 4 named characters have died over the course of this series & they were pretty much destined to die. This show was meant to attract a new audience according to the creators so obviously they didn't want to sour the mood by killing one of them off. The point is you keep talking about what if scenarios rather than talking about what actually happened. WFM unlike Sound! Euphomium isn't yuribait. The two lead characters not having chemistry is your opinion, not a fact. In my opinion they have plenty of chemistry especially in season 1, it's just the writers for some reason decided to seperate them for most of season 2 which in my opinion was a mistake. The point is you should stop focusing on what could have happened & focus on what did happen.maybe you should read your own post again, keyword: yuribait also they had no problem killing the MC of IBO , what made you think they wouldn't do this with this one? as for Sound! Euphomium the two main girls had waymore chemistry than the two females of WFM and there is still shippers hoping it becomes canon ignoring the source , at this point I don't know what is you're aiming with your reply? you think that an anime being a non-yuri would keep the shippers away but in actually the shippers don't care if its a yuri-show or not or if the two charaters are hinted at being lovers or not like seriously have you actually watched the show? the other shows I mentioned had the two female leads having more chemistry while the two females her has almost non |
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For me, likable characters are very important for my enjoyment. In this, most characters behaved like abusive assholes Hahahaha but I do find some reactions to be funny. Two girls that are married and still "Nooooo they not lesbians. friends can also get married" Only an angry homophobe would refuse to acknowledge a same-sex marriage as romantic. They even kept their rings so obviously they are gay for each other and want to stay married In the end, this anime wasn't for me. I love Yuri but more when it's a romance, or the relationship gets the main focus. This anime was just all over the place |
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The_Kid_50 said: It's exactly that, if it's done as subtly as possible and the staff ignores the romance talk as much as possible for the rest of the show. A true full fledged gay show, this is a show that isn't afraid to call love as love and shows the growing intimacy between the characters just as between the straight characters. I don't think gays or even bisexuals have a lower libido or romantic interest in other people. This isn't Hayes Code-era Hollywood or 1920s Class S.It's not queer baiting if the people in discussion show interest or actually get together.. Raptors0verlord said: I just watched a full-length anime a couple of days ago that came out a couple of years ago, and there, the straight female MC tried whole bunch of Suletta x Miorine poses in their interaction with best friend. That's all you need to know about their "apparent romantic interaction." I think they themselves understand this, which is why they try so hard to distort such criticism by portraying it as a denial of the relationship between the two at all.@animegamer245 claim to have watched the prologue but still say this show is lighthearted? that's the last straw and the fact that you don't understand the basics of why I'm mentioning the other shows is proven to me that i'm wasting my time |
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JizzyHitler said: So unfortunate that when Gundam decided to devote itself almost entirely to romance, it turned the audience into knights and Saracens at war with each other, who at some point long ago forgot that this was a mecha show, not romance. It seems like it's a lot easier for Gundam to be a completely chaste show like some kind of PreCure (just don't start a ship battle, I know).EmmyMoomin said: Also kind of unrelated, but i think funnily enough (but not always) the gundam couples that do have a kiss scene are some of the MOST underdeveloped, this franchise has a weird case of actually starting so many romance plotlines with the kiss rather than bookending them or establishing a major turning point in the relationship. The tomino one people are smooching before they spend more than 10 minutes togehter, i always remmember how Amuro's love interest in zeta was exclusively cause she kissed him within 5 minutes of being introduced into the series. This franchise has had a long history of just not doing romance well.And as a side note that’s not related to your comment. Gundam couples rarely ever kiss. So Suletta and Miorine not having a kiss isn’t so strange. I think people are using that to discredit the ship as something like queer baiting/yuribaiting. If that’s yuribait then 90 percent of all gundam relationships are straight baiting. It’s great that they don’t kiss in gundam a lot of the time, it teaches it’s viewers that love is more than that. Also until you said it it didnt click with me just how many protagonist relationships dont have kiss scenes, if im not mistaken is it really only |
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candyflop said: Man, I literally wanted to make a recommendation for the first season because G-Witch is a stupidly lesbian Mahouka with mecha. But unfortunately, the anime is still a long way from the engagement arc, if you know what I mean. Moreover, if in G-Witch it was still tolerable within the framework of the plot (before episode 22) and Miorine "corrected" at some point, then the behavior of Miyuki and the fans in this arc still creeps me out. It's literally "wow, let's support the villain because she's forcing our favorite ship". My main gripe with The Witch's engagement theme is that not only do they not know how to deal with it beyond lazily copying Utena and thereby ruining their relationship dynamic. In the end, without even using the standard tropes for such plots, just saying at the end "well, an organized marriage is cool, your parents also started a family that way." RobertBobert said: I think there is a place for romance in a Gundam show. Think SEED - Kira got the upgraded gundam from enemy via his GF. It was very relevant to the plot. So unfortunate that when Gundam decided to devote itself almost entirely to romance, it turned the audience into knights and Saracens at war with each other, who at some point long ago forgot that this was a mecha show, not romance. It seems like it's a lot easier for Gundam to be a completely chaste show like some kind of PreCure (just don't start a ship battle, I know). However, in WfM the relationships between characters are just too complicated for their own good. During the S1 I kept thinking of Mahouka, where all the kids from different factions are in one school too, but the kids behave in a sensible in a "I represent my faction here" way. On WfM the kids are trying both "I'm from faction, but I rebel against my parents too" which just doesn't work. Ie, the relationship did not have the faction-crossing/allying power like in SEED. I like the ship itself, but this moment is as dumb as possible, and in terms of the level of bad implications, it practically (for the second time) catches up with Mahouka, when Sato tried to legalize incest, but in the end it turned out to be a creepy idea that your own sister is perfect wife, who was created for you by your parents . Both shows have their own problems, but if you think about it, they make the same mistakes at many points. For example, Suletta is practically a Tatsuya-level unbeatable hero. Only Mahouka is usually being mocked for this because the protagonist is the quintessence of fulfilling male fantasies, and G-Witch is a progressive and revolutionary show, yes. |
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Chorog0n said: icefirestone23 said: I am not homophobic. I fap to lesbian porn. I also prefer this series to ibo and 00 which many in the fanbase is not willing to say. I have also purchased 3 kits from the series and I have contributed more financially than most of the shippers. I am also a gundam expert, seen almost every series, sunked 10k into this franchise and qualified to give an opinion. That has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. And that’s just gross you fetish women. The guy's a elitist troll, dont worry about him lmao. |
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MakiseChristina said: icefirestone23 said: Rude. Korra was a good show, this wasn't.This is just legend of korra again Basically. Show was terribly disorganized and felt the conflict didn't even start till cour 2 |
icefirestone23 said: MakiseChristina said: Rude. Korra was a good show, this wasn't. Basically. Show was terribly disorganized and felt the conflict didn't even start till cour 2 MakiseChristina said: Look what we're talking about. If it's about how the first female show went token gay, then Korra made it worse because it wasn't the intention from the start and the showrunners actually admitted they were trying to win over the audience after trying to write traditional romance failed. G-Witch was insanely pointlessly subtle and manipulative, but it looks like the idea to do this to yuri at least existed from the start.icefirestone23 said: Rude. Korra was a good show, this wasn't.This is just legend of korra again |
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RobertsahDHDA said: Calling people trolls just because they say opinions you don't like only devalues your position, not theirs.Chorog0n said: That has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. And that’s just gross you fetish women. The guy's a elitist troll, dont worry about him lmao. |
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RobertBobert said: icefirestone23 said: Basically. Show was terribly disorganized and felt the conflict didn't even start till cour 2 MakiseChristina said: Look what we're talking about. If it's about how the first female show went token gay, then Korra made it worse because it wasn't the intention from the start and the showrunners actually admitted they were trying to win over the audience after trying to write traditional romance failed. G-Witch was insanely pointlessly subtle and manipulative, but it looks like the idea to do this to yuri at least existed from the start.Rude. Korra was a good show, this wasn't. Which is why season 1 of korra is the best. Iconic villain, traditional romance that had more development than korrasami, well paced, lots of memorable moments, very plot heavy. But after how well season 1 did, season 2-4 pretty much broke the romance, made korra lose her connection to aang. They were still good but it undid how well season 1 did. Terrible way to treat late mako who voiced iroh |
icefirestone23 said: Well, I can forgive Korasami in time, that's history. But it still annoys me how they decided to make LGBTQ the literal root of all the franchise since then and now any Avatar content revolves around sexuality, identity, etc. And of course, half of the characters remembered that they were gay and bisexual. By the way, given the comic book sequel to Korra, I wouldn't be surprised if LN or some anime sequel similarly retroactively gives them a kiss or a wedding and fans pretend that their relationship is now deep and developed.RobertBobert said: Look what we're talking about. If it's about how the first female show went token gay, then Korra made it worse because it wasn't the intention from the start and the showrunners actually admitted they were trying to win over the audience after trying to write traditional romance failed. G-Witch was insanely pointlessly subtle and manipulative, but it looks like the idea to do this to yuri at least existed from the start. Which is why season 1 of korra is the best. Iconic villain, traditional romance that had more development than korrasami, well paced, lots of memorable moments, very plot heavy. But after how well season 1 did, season 2-4 pretty much broke the romance, made korra lose her connection to aang. They were still good but it undid how well season 1 did. Terrible way to treat late mako who voiced iroh |
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RobertBobert said: icefirestone23 said: Well, I can forgive Korasami in time, that's history. But it still annoys me how they decided to make LGBTQ the literal root of all the franchise since then and now any Avatar content revolves around sexuality, identity, etc. And of course, half of the characters remembered that they were gay and bisexual. By the way, given the comic book sequel to Korra, I wouldn't be surprised if LN or some anime sequel similarly retroactively gives them a kiss or a wedding and fans pretend that their relationship is now deep and developed.Which is why season 1 of korra is the best. Iconic villain, traditional romance that had more development than korrasami, well paced, lots of memorable moments, very plot heavy. But after how well season 1 did, season 2-4 pretty much broke the romance, made korra lose her connection to aang. They were still good but it undid how well season 1 did. Terrible way to treat late mako who voiced iroh There is more they can do since paramount has their own streaming service and dont have to abide by what networks want. But korrasami ruins the narrative in general. Can you imagine if anime did that, the guy ends up with nobody and the women all date each other. They would lose their male audience fast. It would kill the marketing of the show towards young men and lose half their audience. Legend of Korra had a lot of male fans because of mako Part of me is glad avatar hasn't gotten a sequel so long. Who knows what the upcoming thing will push. |
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icefirestone23 said: I know one anime movie, guess who wrote it, where the MC's main love interest, for whom he started all the shit, suddenly turns out to be a lesbian with her best friend and they thank him for helping them realize love with each other. I and many others were furious because the way it was written was actually giving a cuckold self insert experience to the viewer lol. If you think about it, Ichiro also copied some elements of Suletta x Miorine from there, although in general self-copying was his habit.RobertBobert said: Well, I can forgive Korasami in time, that's history. But it still annoys me how they decided to make LGBTQ the literal root of all the franchise since then and now any Avatar content revolves around sexuality, identity, etc. And of course, half of the characters remembered that they were gay and bisexual. By the way, given the comic book sequel to Korra, I wouldn't be surprised if LN or some anime sequel similarly retroactively gives them a kiss or a wedding and fans pretend that their relationship is now deep and developed. There is more they can do since paramount has their own streaming service. But korrasami ruins the narrative in general. Can you imagine if anime did that, the guy ends up with nobody and the women all date each other. They would lose their male audience fast. It would kill the marketing of the show towards young men and lose half their audience. Legend of Korra had a lot of male fans because of mako Part of me is glad avatar hasn't gotten a sequel so long. Who knows what the upcoming thing will push. |
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