MAPPA CEO says Chainsaw Man Season 1 was a financial success but implied not as successful as Jujutsu Kaisen
| Definitely the best anime of the last three years. S2 is going to be epic. Otaku not buying blu-rays doesn't matter, everyone wants a piece of this anime. If it was on my streaming I would watch and rewatch. Haven't bought a blu ray in many, many years so this is very strange to have a thread about physical release when everybody streams. Ya'll living decades ago. |
Fa5P said: This coper clearly doesn't even know how expensive the license for streaming is. the entire streaming company literally fight for it just so they can stream the anime on their platforms. not to mention the merchandise definitely way more profitable than BDs and it sells like crazy. "BD'S CARRY THE INDUSTRY UUUUUUUH" did he have the proof tho?? his argument in this entire time is just basically "trust me bro, BD's is the most profitable" i have a ton of legit proof to say the BD's profit is the lowest on anime industry. this is one of themthunderkitten13 said: if this if that bla bla bla you are saying we are coping but look at you just now oh and btw companys dont work like that and mappa doesnt work like that again I recommend you search things up before saying them with your mouth full of crapOkay, again, just because Mappa is footing the bill doesn’t me there aren’t investors WITHIN. Mappa is a corporation and if certain people are not pleased with how money is being spent compared to how much revenue is made, heads will start rolling. We are talking about a Japanese company. They probably guilt employees to quit so they don’t have to pay them dues like retirement lol. So if a Japanese ceo is talking about BDs and that they were not what they wanted, then it’s obvious they didn’t make as much money that would call CM a “success”, which the CEO never even says. He only says it was “profitable” which could mean it only made 100K over budget which is not good at all when we are talking about millions of dollars being spent on a project. And since the Bds did terribly, we can assume the profits were low. And the only reason they would stage this sort of interview is to do damage control, which means there have been grievances with the core fanbase as well as within Mappa. It’s not like they decide to stage an interview over a few Twitter memes lmao.  i already show this to that coper once but i bet he doesn't even know how to read graph |
DrkSeid69May 17, 2023 8:55 PM
thunderkitten13 said: First of all, they made profits so they didn't lose money and ended with more money than what they started with, enough to make season 2 and still keep profits from season 1, it was a success.JayBlue said: But still no season two announcement? The proof is in the pudding. There’s no way they made enough to green light a season two. Mappa is probably putting CM back in the shelf and prioritizing OPM and JJK, which has the potential to be major money makers. In fact…I don’t doubt CM is most likely going to get rebooted. Secondly, CSM is self-founded by its Own Studio, a rare case of no production committee so all profits went to Mappa, BD sales were decent, not bad nor good but BD is the lowest form of profit compared to streaming. so please stop talking non sense, we have proof of success and profits, no studio losses confirmed by Mappa while there's no proof about any failure so please stop saying nonsense. |
thunderkitten13 said: So the CEO disappointed because the CSM BD didn't sold well which is nothing compard to TV, streaming, and merchandise profit because even KnY's BD almost do nothing to the anime industry?DrkSeid69 said: What kind of copium did you use? You were the one who was on copium this whole time, the CEO of the studio behind CSM anime literally said that it was a financially success even tho the revenue isn't as good as JJK and he was disappointed about the numbers of BD sales "BD IS STILL MATTER UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" if BD's still carry the industry, explain to me:
It literally takes 2 CEO to say the BD didn't really matter. stop clowning yourself, karen! BDs still matter for the simple fact the CEO of Mappa addressed the poor sales. The reason series don’t get many OVAs is because the anime industry is on overdrive right now pumping out anime at a rate that artists/animators cants even keep up with. and no, the lack of ova series (Not a fucking filler side story like you were mentioned about) nowadays (the only ova series we get is just hentai) is because the internet is a thing now. People can just pay subscription for a streaming site rather than buy a VHS which is time consuming and more expensive. Vinland Saga and Fire Force BD sold worse and guess what? it got S2 lol atleast use something to backup your "factual" statement rather than "trust me bro!!!!!" you coper clown |
| Good to hear that CSM anime was a success. I enjoyed it watching more than I enjoyed reading the source material, to be honest. Really solid piece of anime. |
| I mean it was still incredibly successful. |
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| It’s not shocking that CSM wasn’t as successful as JJK. JJK is easily one of the most popular manga rn (surely more than CSM) and has far more wide appeal. The mature nature of CSM pushed away many potential viewers. This isn’t reflective of my own opinion though because I actually enjoyed the CSM anime more than the manga. |
| and I don't really care |
| That's kind of unfortunate but expected. |
thunderkitten13 said: BilboBaggins365 said: I mean yeah lol. No one said it didn't underperform. There is a big difference to that and flop. It still was a huge series that MAPPA of course was going to profit from. Personally the idea though it would ever be as big shows like Spy x Family or DS like some people thought from the very get go was delusional even if every single person was happy with the adaption. Coping? It's just a dumb comment. Vinland Saga got a S2 after the anime saw barely any improvement in manga sales after the anime came out and hardly did anywhere near what CSM did on streaming and probably wasn't that much better on physical sales. Implying that CSM will not get a season 2 (only one of the biggest manga airing right now) is just either simple trolling or moronic. AOT didn't get S2 until four years after S1 came out. Why some shows get announced sooner isn't just oh yeah it's the most popular series. I wouldn't be shocked if they announced it at their stage even in a few days. The anime industry is three times as big as it was when AOT aired. Disney is literally buying the streaming rights to anime now, to the point where some people haven’t even heard of Sunmertime Rendering. It’s a different landscape and I doubt CM hasn’t been green kit for a season two because of the poor reception and lackluster sales. The CEO said it himself that it was profitable but the sales were nowhere near what they liked, meaning the investors were probably pissed at the low BD sales and overall average profits for a series they probably spent millions on. Okay yeah the industry has changed but it's changed everywhere. In 2013 115.3 billion yen was made off blu rays. In 2021 it was at 66.2 billion yen. The physical market has shrunk in half since AOT came out and physical sales matter much less. The international market is 1,000 billion yen bigger than it was in 2013. Internet distribution only made 34 billion yen in 2013 and it makes 154.3 billion yen now. The biggest jump occurring after CoVid which might be the event that promotes streaming more and more in Japan and encourages adoption. Plus probably compared to 2013 production woes are even worse than it was in 2013 for WIT (having issues finding animators to finish S1). The show has literally been only out for six months and while many popular shows do get announcements as soon as they are done airing others often are waiting up to a year or a year and half. Yeah it's getting bigger and changing and physical sales are mattering less. Of course people expected it do better no one denied that. But it did do good in many major areas that are developing. People just thought it was going to be a smash it and it wasn't completely. On that front sure it was a "disappointment" but still largely profitable. It still will get a S2 and still is one of the most popular shows both intentionally and Japan. I only get mildly irritated by either morons or trolls who actually argue it was a flop not a minor disappointment. |
BilboBaggins365May 18, 2023 3:40 AM
| Understandable. CSM was pretty hyped so its expected that it generated some profits. Its also clear that it wasn't as successful as Jjk. Jjk wasnt hyped initially but after the anime aired, the popularity soared and it was imminent when we looked at the manga boost. The only thing that CSM failed was at meeting the expectation of the hype. |
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| the so-called masterpiece that would've changed the industry wasn't even as popular as Jujutsu Kaisen 🤣🤣 CRAPPA drones in the mud |
| He's back guys. Time for some extremely meaningless and toxic discussions :D Let's go, baby. |
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Srslytop said: You can literally look up the data yourself. BilboBaggins365 said: Okay yeah the industry has changed but it's changed everywhere. In 2013 115.3 billion yen was made off blu rays. In 2021 it was at 66.2 billion yen. The physical market has shrunk in half since AOT came out and physical sales matter much less. The international market is 1,000 billion yen bigger than it was in 2013. Internet distribution only made 34 billion yen in 2013 and it makes 154.3 billion yen now. The biggest jump occurring after CoVid which might be the event that promotes streaming more and more in Japan and encourages adoption. Plus probably compared to 2013 production woes are even worse than it was in 2013 for WIT (having issues finding animators to finish S1). The show has literally been only out for six months and while many popular shows do get announcements as soon as they are done airing others often are waiting up to a year or a year and half. Yeah it's getting bigger and changing and physical sales are mattering less. Of course people expected it do better no one denied that. But it did do good in many major areas that are developing. People just thought it was going to be a smash it and it wasn't completely. On that front sure it was a "disappointment" but still largely profitable. It still will get a S2 and still is one of the most popular shows both intentionally and Japan. I only get mildly irritated by either morons or trolls who actually argue it was a flop not a minor disappointment. Nice claims without providing any source. https://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-data There is my source the official data from the AJA. |
| Oh so people who watched the anime legally helped the show... Thanks anime pirates! |
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| It's not surprising that JJK was more successful than CSM as it has a much wider appeal. CSM was always pretty out there and never for everyone so it's insane that it even is as huge and popular as it is. |
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| jjk is more public friendly, no? regardless of the rating, i can see more adolescents enjoying it also more fujoshis maybe? |
| BtR! fans will blow themselves with the copium, those wannabe's are really something. Anyways, the season was success but not at the level of JJK, I wonder how well is going to be received JJK S2 now... |
| I thought Chainsaw Man was going to revolutionize the industry as some people were saying before it premiered, what happened that it didn't perform as well as Jujutsu Kaisen? |
| >Financially, it was a complete success. >To be honest, I wish I could have reached more audiences who pay for the package. >We will explore how to approach the target group who will pay money in the work of "Chainsaw Man". I don't understand. |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
| well, i enjoyed it way more than jujutsu kaisen so that's all that matters to me. |
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nyugvo6 said: >Financially, it was a complete success. >To be honest, I wish I could have reached more audiences who pay for the package. >We will explore how to approach the target group who will pay money in the work of "Chainsaw Man". I don't understand. We dont know what goes on in the backdoors. Like, maybe the people presenting the project to the production committee made a powerpoint/excel sheets analysis SOOOOO good and bombastic that they convinced them to invest a shitload to its marketing in Japan. For example, I've certainly never heard of an anime getting a unique ED + song dedicated for every single episode and still cant believe that would actually be real. At any rate, its quite obvious here that relatively recent "breakout news" of Mappa drama certainly did affect them, and that CSM is not a Battle Shounen so its not gonna do Battle Shounen numbers. And of course, that it was a profit regardless of what people who naysay think. |
RobertsahDHDAMay 19, 2023 6:11 PM
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| You guys are fighting over something so simple, if you know Japanese you wouldn't argue at all! Read the article in Japanese for your sake, if you don't know Japanese shut up. You only cherry-pick the information that you want and use it as evidence to support your standpoint. I'll reiterate what the production director said: *収支においては完全に成功だったといえる。ただ直近に手がけた『呪術廻戦』と同じようなインパクトが出せているかというと、まだ満足はできていない。 * *In terms of profit and expenditure, it can be said that it is a "complete success" (完全に成功). But if we're expecting the same impact that the recent Jujutsu Kaisen's had, we cannot be satisfied yet (まだ満足できない).* That means it already is a success but in comparison, Jujutsu Kaisen's success set the bar high. But! They still got plans to distribute Blurays thus furthering the financial success. It is just a matter of time before they announce season 2 since it's mentioned that the production takes 2-3 years for a cour (3 months) So don't assume that there'll be no season 2 just because it didn't have the financial success Jujutsu Kaisen had. It's a success on its own. |
shiroko_yuriMay 19, 2023 11:36 PM
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nyugvo6 said: >Financially, it was a complete success. >To be honest, I wish I could have reached more audiences who pay for the package. >We will explore how to approach the target group who will pay money in the work of "Chainsaw Man". I don't understand. I guess this means that CSM was as successful as Doctor Strange 2 or the Batman, but they expected No Way Home or Avatar 2. |
| Imagine normies saying: "Peaky Blinders is mid and overhyped. Just another typical crime drama show. Breaking Bad is much better lol.". |
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