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Zeshiba said: He also legit destroyed Arnheid.I still think Ketil was overall a good master, especially in his time period wherein masters would do way worse things to their slaves. Ketil was overall merciful, albeit a coward majority of the time. It just so happened that he was already under so much stress and the news about Arnheid added on top just made him snap. He was a good-hearted master for 17 episodes and just 1 episode of his emotions getting the best of him. What he did was of course wrong, I'm not going to defend that, but in that specific time period, other masters would have legit destroyed Arnheid. |
| A shame they didn't show Leif's and Thorfinn's initial reaction to seeing each other. So much build-up to it for nothing. But I can't really complain much because Arneheid & Ketil scene was brutal as well. Showing happy reunion after that beating would've been weird. |
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| What the devil was that. I really hate Ketil. Just ughh wtf. And I was looking forward for Leif and Thorfinn reunion reaction but why there's none? |
| Oppai check! 111 cm: Hancock 110 cm: Zoro 100 cm: Robin |
| Iron Fist Ketil can't hurt you. Iron Fist Ketil isn't real. *Iron Fist Ketil enters the battle* |
nanadaimekun__ said: What the devil was that. I really hate Ketil. Just ughh wtf. And I was looking forward for Leif and Thorfinn reunion reaction but why there's none? Thats what i was thinking... Leif been looking for the whole show to date and then the two of them just standing there looking at arnheid. Does Leif not recognise Thorfin? |
| Jesus Christ. I read the manga, but either way, that was so so hard to watch. I can handle disturbing shit in shows pretty well I'd say, but this is definitely one of the most disturbing, seeing this part animated, it even made me look away, which I don't really remember doing frequently. Leif and Thorfinn couldn't even get a happy reunion. Pater is such a good man though. I also really respect Snake's principles. It really took all this for Ketil to grow a backbone. |
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| Guess they didn't called him Iron Fist Ketil for nothing... Iron First Ketil enter the battle!! |
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| At least now we will finally see "Iron Fist" Ketil in action. |
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.107/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.190/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.108/? - weekly) | Machi and Oboro (Ch.15/? - biweekly) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.78/? - biweekly) - You and I Are Polar Opposites (Ch.64/? - biweekly) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
| I was dreading this episode :( Man...fuck Ketil. |
| The Gardar mini-arc had its individual enjoyable or interesting moments, but as a whole the past few episodes were, it's safe to say, my least favorite part of the entire series so far (I mean the entire series as in both seasons, so including all of season one as well). Which still wasn't bad television compared to a lot of other bland generic anime and non-anime series alike out there; just bad for Vinland Saga compared to everything else which preceded it. It comes down in my case to an aversion toward really caring for the Gardar character and, in general, never being a fan in any series in switching focus midway or at any random point to place heavy central focus on a new side or short-lived character we were just introduced to one or two or three episodes before. This, by contrast, was more of a return to form and a brutal and beautiful one. Here's the thing - I can understand Ketil's perspective, which, at least going based off of everything that was portrayed, is that he feels like he's gotten absolutely nothing, zero, zilch, for everything he's done and is being robbed of everything even by those he placed his trust in. It's clear from earlier episodes he feels alienated even from his own family. He looks at one of his sons, the older one, Thorgil, as a cold violent psychopath with a bloodlust he actually feels intimidated by himself (which is ironic because he may have gotten at least some of his propensity for a violent streak from Ketil himself owing to accounts of his past battlefield exploits and the behavior on display in this episode when lashing out). He looks at the other as a lazy, spoiled, incompetent braggart and troublemaker. There doesn't seem to be any romantic affection and chemistry with his wife who I assume is closer to his age or a little older, or even friendship, beyond proper formalities for rote filling of traditional roles and keeping up appearances. Now he has Canute set on him for a complicated political reason which is known only to a small inner circle in the shadows and of which he has no knowledge and nothing to do with. In a way, he was living a large part of the life Thors was espousing early in the series and clearly wanted for himself and his son. Except at the point in time we mainly followed him in the series, Thors would have never owned slaves period. But the point is he gave up any role with the national military or Vikings, started to turn away from and hate either participating in or even the sight of violence. Wanted nothing more than to manage a vast plentiful farm. Generally treated the slaves well and everyone else whom he came into contact with from everything we were shown. And yet for trying to turn his life around for probably decades at this point, show generosity, kindness, and mercy wherever and whenever he could to whomever he could within the cultural confines and context of what his socio-economic station and the period would allow without himself being ostracized as an oddity or picked apart to the bone earlier as a weakling, he feels he was spit in the face and stabbed in the back from all directions; made a fool of. At the same time he treats Arnheid, I would say as property and a dog, but even moreso than that, more like an inanimate object as the one comfort in a hard world and as a pillow to fall back on after the rigors of daily keeping up appearances, playing his role, etc. He could always fall back on her probably as a mixture of a sex doll, maid, and mother figure. So when even that "pillow" looked like she wanted to sprout an independent will and agenda of her own and rob him from within, rob him of herself, it was intolerable and the flying into a rage almost inevitable. It's a tough situation. Ketil, despite being a generally amicable and agreeable guy on a superficial level, probably didn't trust much of anyone or put much faith in anyone else including even his own sons, and didn't care if most others lived or died considering he didn't seem to ever feel really comfortable and in place in the world filling the shoes he did. You start removing crucial building blocks for a person like that and their world comes crashing down. I like Arnheid, but also can definitely understand the need to go absolutely berserk and not care what you do to anyone or anything anyhow anywhere anytime and resort to extreme measures to protect the inner sanctum of one's private world. When it's besieged, double, triple, quadruple down even moreso. Siege mentality. |
WatchTillTandavaMay 9, 2023 6:18 AM
| It war time next week! Ketil pops off this episode, looks like we'll finally get to see him live up to his name on the battlefield. |
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| Never liked Ketil to begin with. The man put the pretense of a good man and a good master for everyone just to hide his cowardice. It was a matter of time he showed his true colors. |
| Poor Arnheid just wants to live a normal with her family, didn't deserve to experience all her suffering. Was so hyped for Thorfinn and Leif reunion and yet they didn't show its importance smh. |
| great episode, i feel horrible for arnheid. very sad we didnt get to see thorfinn reuniting with leif cause of what was going on :( |
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StallionXD said: go to google and search therapists near me After that fkng trash that was the Gardar arc this is back on track!!! Arnheid deserved it, she should have been raped by the horses or something lol, Ketil made a mistake? Well, what do you people expect, she told him she is pregnant after trying to escape with her lover, of course he wasn't going to believe that, he was angry as fuck, and just like Snake said, he can kill his slaves if he wants, that's how that works, people saying he sucks now for what he did are dumbasses that just don't wanna understand how society worked in the past yet they try to enjoy and defend this story, and that's hilarious. And Snake isn't dead? WHAT A FKNG JOKE, I KNEW IT, dumb ass Gardar wasn't even able to kill him, it is clear now that Gardar didn't accomplished or added anything to this plot other than fkng filler, they could have go with "Arnheid tried to escape and be free because she didn't want his son to have a slave for a mother" and the outcome was going to be the same lmaooo And Leif finally found Thorfinn but we had their reunion skipped because, again, of fkng Arnheid, so yeah, I'm serious, she should've been raped by horses. Anyways, can't wait for the next episode! |
Zeshiba said: the show literally spoon-feeds you the fact that there is nothing called a good master slave owner, it is not even subtle. ketil is classic example of cowards who act all nice while getting privilege but show their true face as soon as things go south. and it is more surprising how it took many people so long to understand that he is trash when he has been a r@pist from the start.I still think Ketil was overall a good master, especially in his time period wherein masters would do way worse things to their slaves. Ketil was overall merciful, albeit a coward majority of the time. It just so happened that he was already under so much stress and the news about Arnheid added on top just made him snap. He was a good-hearted master for 17 episodes and just 1 episode of his emotions getting the best of him. What he did was of course wrong, I'm not going to defend that, but in that specific time period, other masters would have legit destroyed Arnheid. |
| Holy shit this was uncomfortable to watch. I handle brutality and gore in fiction pretty ok but something about it being as simple as realistic beating with a stick felt so awful to watch. Ketil is weak willed piece of shit. Poor Arnheid just can't take a break these past couple of episodes. I'm guessing it's almost a guarantee she lost the baby by now. Also kinda sad they brushed Thorfinn and Leif reunion, I understand that it would take the focus of THAT moment but I hope we'll see more of them next episode. |
| Been expecting this episode for a while since it's one of the best chapters in the manga. It did not disappoint. They're doing a solid job adapting this. Next episode should be another banger. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Alright Canute time to murder the absolute fuck out of Ketil jfc he took the bad end. That was a brutal episode. I didn't expect Ketil to go down this route tbh. It always has to end with violence which really contrasts what Thorfinn was postulating the idea that there must always be another way. That it doesn't have to be violence... I am so conflicted rn. |
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