Tensei shitara Ken deshita Episode 1 Discussion

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They should've expanded the sword guy's personality and background in the introduction.

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Oct 29, 2022 6:01 PM

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Finally got to see the motion version of the still art manga. Epic x lovely.

Oct 30, 2022 10:16 AM

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UnluckyDova said:
boring and generic

what much were you expecting tbh... lol

Oct 30, 2022 12:31 PM

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Yorginvik said:
They should've expanded the sword guy's personality and background in the introduction.

interesting opinion. how come you expand sword personality and background if it's just a sword

Oct 30, 2022 4:12 PM

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haisayabot said:

Yorginvik said:
They should've expanded the sword guy's personality and background in the introduction.

interesting opinion. how come you expand sword personality and background if it's just a sword

I think the personality behind the sword existed as a human on earth before reincarnating in an isekai. I think the story could've benefited if they expanded the story behind that human, because the way he communicates and the things he values are a bit unique, and these characteristics could be seen while watching/reading the story.
I guess from the author's point of view, when writing an isekai the market target audience in general does not care about that stuff, they come for the fantasy world after all. So the priority to show off how the Sword Guy knows about Role play Games, Isekai stories, and other things that some people in our world are aware of isn't shown. The value of doing this basically multiples, from my point of view, the enjoyment of seeing a dude reincarnated as a sword. How does he act differently as a sword than as a human. How has his new powers and abilities affected his mentality. Or, on the other hand, how does his previous existence as a person (probably) from Earth (our world) affect his relationship with Fran and the decisions he makes. Some of this can just be easily assumed, as we see in the show that he behaves like a mentor/fatherly figure with Fran and caring for her as a guardian, on the same level as a living mortal human and not just an intelligent weapon (which is basically all he is probably).

Basically, I think in the first few chapters of the manga, the Sword Guy got killed from an accident. The story could flashback a bit to before the accident, simply as that in terms of expanding the story behind him. A bit like how Rimuru from slime isekai, was introduced as a late 30s man who valued his 'sage age' and the files on his PC before his untimely death. And Ideally (in no way I expect the show/story to adhere to this), I'd like for the Sword Guy to remember his past like, something along the lines "oh I remember when I had a sister, but I ignored this ____ part of her and now I regret doing that so I'll make sure to not make the same mistake", sort of stuff.
Sorry for this being poorly written.

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Oct 30, 2022 7:05 PM

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Yorginvik said:

haisayabot said:

interesting opinion. how come you expand sword personality and background if it's just a sword

I think the personality behind the sword existed as a human on earth before reincarnating in an isekai. I think the story could've benefited if they expanded the story behind that human, because the way he communicates and the things he values are a bit unique, and these characteristics could be seen while watching/reading the story.
I guess from the author's point of view, when writing an isekai the market target audience in general does not care about that stuff, they come for the fantasy world after all. So the priority to show off how the Sword Guy knows about Role play Games, Isekai stories, and other things that some people in our world are aware of isn't shown. The value of doing this basically multiples, from my point of view, the enjoyment of seeing a dude reincarnated as a sword. How does he act differently as a sword than as a human. How has his new powers and abilities affected his mentality. Or, on the other hand, how does his previous existence as a person (probably) from Earth (our world) affect his relationship with Fran and the decisions he makes. Some of this can just be easily assumed, as we see in the show that he behaves like a mentor/fatherly figure with Fran and caring for her as a guardian, on the same level as a living mortal human and not just an intelligent weapon (which is basically all he is probably).

Basically, I think in the first few chapters of the manga, the Sword Guy got killed from an accident. The story could flashback a bit to before the accident, simply as that in terms of expanding the story behind him. A bit like how Rimuru from slime isekai, was introduced as a late 30s man who valued his 'sage age' and the files on his PC before his untimely death. And Ideally (in no way I expect the show/story to adhere to this), I'd like for the Sword Guy to remember his past like, something along the lines "oh I remember when I had a sister, but I ignored this ____ part of her and now I regret doing that so I'll make sure to not make the same mistake", sort of stuff.
Sorry for this being poorly written.

Filling out the background of a character can be interesting, there are a few anime's that are good out there that have that aspect. it adds alot more value, but dont think it's a must to go for it. Developing to much early on can also make the anime a bit slow phased, and i think for an anime like this where Fran's development will take eye and seeying her growth and cuteness is where the anime is trying to bloom itself in (in my opinion quite succesfull that is) So before end of episode u want the 2 to connect at the very least.

Also Fran is basicly the main character here so that story is what will be developed on alot. This first episode also contains a novel content originally, they skimmed through alot of reading content with this first episode. Not introducing fran in this episode is a waste and i agree, so i think in both novel and anime u can only really introduce them both together, thats basicly where the power of this anime comes from.
Before i started reading the novel i was also a bit skeptical, but anime adaptaion and novel became one of my most loved animes. The sword is not completed without the wielder and this anime is not complete without Fran. Thats what this introduction episode is for basicly i think.

Oct 30, 2022 7:20 PM

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Swutsy said:

Yorginvik said:

I think the personality behind the sword existed as a human on earth before reincarnating in an isekai. I think the story could've benefited if they expanded the story behind that human, because the way he communicates and the things he values are a bit unique, and these characteristics could be seen while watching/reading the story.
I guess from the author's point of view, when writing an isekai the market target audience in general does not care about that stuff, they come for the fantasy world after all. So the priority to show off how the Sword Guy knows about Role play Games, Isekai stories, and other things that some people in our world are aware of isn't shown. The value of doing this basically multiples, from my point of view, the enjoyment of seeing a dude reincarnated as a sword. How does he act differently as a sword than as a human. How has his new powers and abilities affected his mentality. Or, on the other hand, how does his previous existence as a person (probably) from Earth (our world) affect his relationship with Fran and the decisions he makes. Some of this can just be easily assumed, as we see in the show that he behaves like a mentor/fatherly figure with Fran and caring for her as a guardian, on the same level as a living mortal human and not just an intelligent weapon (which is basically all he is probably).

Basically, I think in the first few chapters of the manga, the Sword Guy got killed from an accident. The story could flashback a bit to before the accident, simply as that in terms of expanding the story behind him. A bit like how Rimuru from slime isekai, was introduced as a late 30s man who valued his 'sage age' and the files on his PC before his untimely death. And Ideally (in no way I expect the show/story to adhere to this), I'd like for the Sword Guy to remember his past like, something along the lines "oh I remember when I had a sister, but I ignored this ____ part of her and now I regret doing that so I'll make sure to not make the same mistake", sort of stuff.
Sorry for this being poorly written.

Filling out the background of a character can be interesting, there are a few anime's that are good out there that have that aspect. it adds alot more value, but dont think it's a must to go for it. Developing to much early on can also make the anime a bit slow phased, and i think for an anime like this where Fran's development will take eye and seeying her growth and cuteness is where the anime is trying to bloom itself in (in my opinion quite succesfull that is) So before end of episode u want the 2 to connect at the very least.

Also Fran is basicly the main character here so that story is what will be developed on alot. This first episode also contains a novel content originally, they skimmed through alot of reading content with this first episode. Not introducing fran in this episode is a waste and i agree, so i think in both novel and anime u can only really introduce them both together, thats basicly where the power of this anime comes from.
Before i started reading the novel i was also a bit skeptical, but anime adaptaion and novel became one of my most loved animes. The sword is not completed without the wielder and this anime is not complete without Fran. Thats what this introduction episode is for basicly i think.

I agree with you, that it would be a mistake if they did not introduce Fran or focus on her and Teacher meeting up in the first episode. Yet, I am certain that they (the producers or author) could have added a minute longer introduction of the Teacher/Sword Guy, with detracting from everything else it did right. Even Mushoku Tensei at its first episode introduced the main character very well without spending too much time on it. Most of all, I mention this because I believe many people who avoid isekais (and even those who enjoy them like I do) would be better convinced of why this story is good, where one of the main characters could get treated with 'the same respect' as Fran (the anime multiple times briefly mentions her background and makes it one of the themes, of her being a black cat) instead of a 'insert main character'. Personally, I've been interested in who this sword guy is, from my impressions he seems like a bit of a rough-sneaky character when he was alive, a person with questionable morals but in general is a good person (like let's say a ex-yakuza househusband for example).

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Nov 2, 2022 4:09 PM

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One has to feel for Frans situation at the beginning of the episode but it seems like her fortunes are going to turn for the better :)

Nov 3, 2022 12:45 AM

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Fair beginning. Already liking the concept

Nov 7, 2022 3:34 AM

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Konan_Edogawa_ said:
One has to feel for Frans situation at the beginning of the episode but it seems like her fortunes are going to turn for the better :)

yep i feel the same too!

Nov 7, 2022 11:05 PM

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not very interested just yet, seemed pretty underwhelming and yet somehow also not bad at all. it's only the first episode so lets see how it develops.

Nov 8, 2022 12:58 PM

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Fran is adorable! Poor thing has been through so much. :( I hope as the series continues that she will learn to express herself more. Characters like her are very relatable for me. (Not the slave part >.> but it being drilled into your head that you don't have a choice in any matter at all) Being trained to believe you don't have a voice is something very hard to overcome. It looks like the bond she will form between herself and Teacher will be very sweet. Looking forward to seeing more~♥

Nov 9, 2022 10:03 AM

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Sooo... I like it.

Nov 12, 2022 2:44 PM

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Yorginvik said:

haisayabot said:

interesting opinion. how come you expand sword personality and background if it's just a sword

I think the personality behind the sword existed as a human on earth before reincarnating in an isekai. I think the story could've benefited if they expanded the story behind that human, because the way he communicates and the things he values are a bit unique, and these characteristics could be seen while watching/reading the story.
I guess from the author's point of view, when writing an isekai the market target audience in general does not care about that stuff, they come for the fantasy world after all. So the priority to show off how the Sword Guy knows about Role play Games, Isekai stories, and other things that some people in our world are aware of isn't shown. The value of doing this basically multiples, from my point of view, the enjoyment of seeing a dude reincarnated as a sword. How does he act differently as a sword than as a human. How has his new powers and abilities affected his mentality. Or, on the other hand, how does his previous existence as a person (probably) from Earth (our world) affect his relationship with Fran and the decisions he makes. Some of this can just be easily assumed, as we see in the show that he behaves like a mentor/fatherly figure with Fran and caring for her as a guardian, on the same level as a living mortal human and not just an intelligent weapon (which is basically all he is probably).

Basically, I think in the first few chapters of the manga, the Sword Guy got killed from an accident. The story could flashback a bit to before the accident, simply as that in terms of expanding the story behind him. A bit like how Rimuru from slime isekai, was introduced as a late 30s man who valued his 'sage age' and the files on his PC before his untimely death. And Ideally (in no way I expect the show/story to adhere to this), I'd like for the Sword Guy to remember his past like, something along the lines "oh I remember when I had a sister, but I ignored this ____ part of her and now I regret doing that so I'll make sure to not make the same mistake", sort of stuff.
Sorry for this being poorly written.

Hmm i forgot to reply to you but yeah i agree they need to detail it more. though the creator decide to move thing forward to make the story easy to understand, i guess

Nov 12, 2022 6:49 PM

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haisayabot said:
Hmm i forgot to reply to you but yeah i agree they need to detail it more. though the creator decide to move thing forward to make the story easy to understand, i guess

lol thanks for replying. It totally makes sense that the creators chose to make things easy easy to understand. A good call.

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Nov 12, 2022 7:42 PM

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Yorginvik said:

haisayabot said:
Hmm i forgot to reply to you but yeah i agree they need to detail it more. though the creator decide to move thing forward to make the story easy to understand, i guess

lol thanks for replying. It totally makes sense that the creators chose to make things easy easy to understand. A good call.

but still it will get better if master get more story in plate. then i can sleep in peace hahaha

Nov 13, 2022 11:38 AM

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Yorginvik said:

Swutsy said:

Yorginvik said:

haisayabot said:

Yorginvik said:
They should've expanded the sword guy's personality and background in the introduction.

interesting opinion. how come you expand sword personality and background if it's just a sword

I think the personality behind the sword existed as a human on earth before reincarnating in an isekai. I think the story could've benefited if they expanded the story behind that human, because the way he communicates and the things he values are a bit unique, and these characteristics could be seen while watching/reading the story.
I guess from the author's point of view, when writing an isekai the market target audience in general does not care about that stuff, they come for the fantasy world after all. So the priority to show off how the Sword Guy knows about Role play Games, Isekai stories, and other things that some people in our world are aware of isn't shown. The value of doing this basically multiples, from my point of view, the enjoyment of seeing a dude reincarnated as a sword. How does he act differently as a sword than as a human. How has his new powers and abilities affected his mentality. Or, on the other hand, how does his previous existence as a person (probably) from Earth (our world) affect his relationship with Fran and the decisions he makes. Some of this can just be easily assumed, as we see in the show that he behaves like a mentor/fatherly figure with Fran and caring for her as a guardian, on the same level as a living mortal human and not just an intelligent weapon (which is basically all he is probably).

Basically, I think in the first few chapters of the manga, the Sword Guy got killed from an accident. The story could flashback a bit to before the accident, simply as that in terms of expanding the story behind him. A bit like how Rimuru from slime isekai, was introduced as a late 30s man who valued his 'sage age' and the files on his PC before his untimely death. And Ideally (in no way I expect the show/story to adhere to this), I'd like for the Sword Guy to remember his past like, something along the lines "oh I remember when I had a sister, but I ignored this ____ part of her and now I regret doing that so I'll make sure to not make the same mistake", sort of stuff.
Sorry for this being poorly written.

Filling out the background of a character can be interesting, there are a few anime's that are good out there that have that aspect. it adds alot more value, but dont think it's a must to go for it. Developing to much early on can also make the anime a bit slow phased, and i think for an anime like this where Fran's development will take eye and seeying her growth and cuteness is where the anime is trying to bloom itself in (in my opinion quite succesfull that is) So before end of episode u want the 2 to connect at the very least.

Also Fran is basicly the main character here so that story is what will be developed on alot. This first episode also contains a novel content originally, they skimmed through alot of reading content with this first episode. Not introducing fran in this episode is a waste and i agree, so i think in both novel and anime u can only really introduce them both together, thats basicly where the power of this anime comes from.
Before i started reading the novel i was also a bit skeptical, but anime adaptaion and novel became one of my most loved animes. The sword is not completed without the wielder and this anime is not complete without Fran. Thats what this introduction episode is for basicly i think.

I agree with you, that it would be a mistake if they did not introduce Fran or focus on her and Teacher meeting up in the first episode. Yet, I am certain that they (the producers or author) could have added a minute longer introduction of the Teacher/Sword Guy, with detracting from everything else it did right. Even Mushoku Tensei at its first episode introduced the main character very well without spending too much time on it. Most of all, I mention this because I believe many people who avoid isekais (and even those who enjoy them like I do) would be better convinced of why this story is good, where one of the main characters could get treated with 'the same respect' as Fran (the anime multiple times briefly mentions her background and makes it one of the themes, of her being a black cat) instead of a 'insert main character'. Personally, I've been interested in who this sword guy is, from my impressions he seems like a bit of a rough-sneaky character when he was alive, a person with questionable morals but in general is a good person (like let's say a ex-yakuza househusband for example).

I would like to see more backstory on shisho to be honest with yall. I want to know what he was doing in life before he just spawned in as a sword.

Nov 13, 2022 12:41 PM

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Deafness said:

Konan_Edogawa_ said:

Yorginvik said:

Swutsy said:

Yorginvik said:

haisayabot said:

Yorginvik said:
They should've expanded the sword guy's personality and background in the introduction.

interesting opinion. how come you expand sword personality and background if it's just a sword

I think the personality behind the sword existed as a human on earth before reincarnating in an isekai. I think the story could've benefited if they expanded the story behind that human, because the way he communicates and the things he values are a bit unique, and these characteristics could be seen while watching/reading the story.
I guess from the author's point of view, when writing an isekai the market target audience in general does not care about that stuff, they come for the fantasy world after all. So the priority to show off how the Sword Guy knows about Role play Games, Isekai stories, and other things that some people in our world are aware of isn't shown. The value of doing this basically multiples, from my point of view, the enjoyment of seeing a dude reincarnated as a sword. How does he act differently as a sword than as a human. How has his new powers and abilities affected his mentality. Or, on the other hand, how does his previous existence as a person (probably) from Earth (our world) affect his relationship with Fran and the decisions he makes. Some of this can just be easily assumed, as we see in the show that he behaves like a mentor/fatherly figure with Fran and caring for her as a guardian, on the same level as a living mortal human and not just an intelligent weapon (which is basically all he is probably).

Basically, I think in the first few chapters of the manga, the Sword Guy got killed from an accident. The story could flashback a bit to before the accident, simply as that in terms of expanding the story behind him. A bit like how Rimuru from slime isekai, was introduced as a late 30s man who valued his 'sage age' and the files on his PC before his untimely death. And Ideally (in no way I expect the show/story to adhere to this), I'd like for the Sword Guy to remember his past like, something along the lines "oh I remember when I had a sister, but I ignored this ____ part of her and now I regret doing that so I'll make sure to not make the same mistake", sort of stuff.
Sorry for this being poorly written.

Filling out the background of a character can be interesting, there are a few anime's that are good out there that have that aspect. it adds alot more value, but dont think it's a must to go for it. Developing to much early on can also make the anime a bit slow phased, and i think for an anime like this where Fran's development will take eye and seeying her growth and cuteness is where the anime is trying to bloom itself in (in my opinion quite succesfull that is) So before end of episode u want the 2 to connect at the very least.

Also Fran is basicly the main character here so that story is what will be developed on alot. This first episode also contains a novel content originally, they skimmed through alot of reading content with this first episode. Not introducing fran in this episode is a waste and i agree, so i think in both novel and anime u can only really introduce them both together, thats basicly where the power of this anime comes from.
Before i started reading the novel i was also a bit skeptical, but anime adaptaion and novel became one of my most loved animes. The sword is not completed without the wielder and this anime is not complete without Fran. Thats what this introduction episode is for basicly i think.

I agree with you, that it would be a mistake if they did not introduce Fran or focus on her and Teacher meeting up in the first episode. Yet, I am certain that they (the producers or author) could have added a minute longer introduction of the Teacher/Sword Guy, with detracting from everything else it did right. Even Mushoku Tensei at its first episode introduced the main character very well without spending too much time on it. Most of all, I mention this because I believe many people who avoid isekais (and even those who enjoy them like I do) would be better convinced of why this story is good, where one of the main characters could get treated with 'the same respect' as Fran (the anime multiple times briefly mentions her background and makes it one of the themes, of her being a black cat) instead of a 'insert main character'. Personally, I've been interested in who this sword guy is, from my impressions he seems like a bit of a rough-sneaky character when he was alive, a person with questionable morals but in general is a good person (like let's say a ex-yakuza househusband for example).

I would like to see more backstory on shisho to be honest with yall. I want to know what he was doing in life before he just spawned in as a sword.

Yeah i agree that'd be pretty cool to see

I dont want it to be something cookie cutter either. I want it to be unique seeing as shisho has a very unique lets say personality. Kinda reminds me of Ojisan isekai from last season.

Nov 13, 2022 1:16 PM

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StateofOhayo said:
not very interested just yet, seemed pretty underwhelming and yet somehow also not bad at all. it's only the first episode so lets see how it develops.

As somebody that read ahead I think you will enjoy this anime. Lots of cute scenes up ahead for our favorite cat girl.

Nov 13, 2022 3:01 PM

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