How mappa blends their cgi

Oct 14, 2022 12:31 PM

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Yeah overall they did a really good job with what did as an outcome

Oct 14, 2022 12:44 PM

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The problem is, noticing the 3d won't make it worse. You can easily tell that Beastars or Houseki no Kuni full CGI, but it does not make it bad.
You don't need to hide things when the 2d and 3d works together perfectly. It even worked in JJK.
So making the mistakes they made is really disappointing and hardly explainable.

Oct 14, 2022 12:46 PM

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some studios just dont have that it factor.

mappa is one of those studios

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Oct 14, 2022 12:50 PM

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Yeah, I really love the way they blend it together. I'm not very experienced with watching CGI anime, but this is very well implemented.

Oct 14, 2022 12:52 PM

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do i have to say this again?

csm actually was heavily 2d, just one-two cuts had cgis on it

its literally too good so people thought it was cgi lol

Oct 14, 2022 1:05 PM

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ktg said:
The problem is, noticing the 3d won't make it worse. You can easily tell that Beastars or Houseki no Kuni full CGI, but it does not make it bad.
You don't need to hide things when the 2d and 3d works together perfectly. It even worked in JJK.
So making the mistakes they made is really disappointing and hardly explainable.

Which is why Dorohedoro is still the best anime Mappa ever made

Oct 14, 2022 1:06 PM

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The cg in Chainsaw Man is barely noticeable to me at some points. Of course Mappa has that unique style where sometimes you can't tell between the two. They blend 2d and 3d together very nicely.

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Oct 14, 2022 1:09 PM

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TheRealRouges said:

ktg said:
The problem is, noticing the 3d won't make it worse. You can easily tell that Beastars or Houseki no Kuni full CGI, but it does not make it bad.
You don't need to hide things when the 2d and 3d works together perfectly. It even worked in JJK.
So making the mistakes they made is really disappointing and hardly explainable.

Which is why Dorohedoro is still the best anime Mappa ever made

I wouldn't go that far, but it is a good show.

Oct 14, 2022 1:15 PM

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CickNipolla said:
some studios just dont have that it factor.

mappa is one of those studios

huh? (character limit)

Oct 14, 2022 1:54 PM

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This is a weird “ya it was CGI but it was good CGI” take. I ask anyone okay with the CGI in the first episode: how would you feel if manga started using “CGI” stills instead of hand drawn panels? Why is it okay for it to be in the animation but not in the manga?

Oct 14, 2022 2:47 PM

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ktg said:

TheRealRouges said:

Which is why Dorohedoro is still the best anime Mappa ever made

I wouldn't go that far, but it is a good show.

If we talk adaptation wise, it’s basically flawless, if we consider the entire manga that’s behind it it’s not even close, Chainsaw Man is basically the shonen child of Dorohedoro, and also AOT is nowhere near Dorohedoro manga quality

Oct 14, 2022 3:48 PM

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TheRealRouges said:

ktg said:

I wouldn't go that far, but it is a good show.

If we talk adaptation wise, it’s basically flawless, if we consider the entire manga that’s behind it it’s not even close, Chainsaw Man is basically the shonen child of Dorohedoro, and also AOT is nowhere near Dorohedoro manga quality

First, MAPPA's CGI is not that strong, that's why a less CGI oriented show is better animation-wise if we talk about MAPPA.
Second, being shounen doesn't mean it's less than a seinen.

With that in mind, for example, JJK animation-wise was definitely better than Dorohedoro. But we actually have to mention a couple different shows here, like Zombieland Saga, Dororo or one of most underrated show's in 2021, Heion Sedai no Idaten-tachi.
As for story, JJK, Dorohedoro and Dororo are not that unique (yet). We were early in the story in all cases and they went more or less how you would expect it. On the otherhand, both Zombieland Saga and Heion Sedai no Idaten-tachi had a pretty unique concept in some ways.

Oct 14, 2022 5:01 PM

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thunderkitten13 said:
This is a weird “ya it was CGI but it was good CGI” take. I ask anyone okay with the CGI in the first episode: how would you feel if manga started using “CGI” stills instead of hand drawn panels? Why is it okay for it to be in the animation but not in the manga?

LMAO are you being serious? maybe because the manga panels are just a few still images while the anime is literally 24 frames in one second or something like that? do you really expect them to draw such a detailed character design 24 times for every second of the episode? when the CGI is one model for every episode and much easier to animate. brother stop the complaints and go get a job and start to feel what the animators have to go through

Oct 14, 2022 5:06 PM

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MrFlakey said:

thunderkitten13 said:
This is a weird “ya it was CGI but it was good CGI” take. I ask anyone okay with the CGI in the first episode: how would you feel if manga started using “CGI” stills instead of hand drawn panels? Why is it okay for it to be in the animation but not in the manga?

LMAO are you being serious? maybe because the manga panels are just a few still images while the anime is literally 24 frames in one second or something like that? do you really expect them to draw such a detailed character design 24 times for every second of the episode? when the CGI is one model for every episode and much easier to animate. brother stop the complaints and go get a job and start to feel what the animators have to go through

Do I expect them them to strive for the absolute best quality in one of the most popular franchises at the moment?

...

Yes? Lmao

I don’t get the excuses, honestly. It’s not a matter of they can’t, it’s the fact they opted for CGI because it’s faster. MAPPA has taken too much to work on and it’s bleeding into the quality. You can’t convince me it’s hard to animate a man with chainsaws in the year 2022, I am sorry, this isn’t the forties...

Oct 14, 2022 5:09 PM

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thunderkitten13 said:

MrFlakey said:

LMAO are you being serious? maybe because the manga panels are just a few still images while the anime is literally 24 frames in one second or something like that? do you really expect them to draw such a detailed character design 24 times for every second of the episode? when the CGI is one model for every episode and much easier to animate. brother stop the complaints and go get a job and start to feel what the animators have to go through

Do I expect them them to strive for the absolute best quality in one of the most popular franchises at the moment?

...

Yes? Lmao

I don’t get the excuses, honestly. It’s not a matter of they can’t, it’s the fact they opted for CGI because it’s faster. MAPPA has taken too much to work on and it’s bleeding into the quality. You can’t convince me it’s hard to animate a man with chainsaws in the year 2022, I am sorry, this isn’t the forties...

spoken like a person that didn't work a day in his life

Oct 14, 2022 5:19 PM

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MrFlakey said:

thunderkitten13 said:

Do I expect them them to strive for the absolute best quality in one of the most popular franchises at the moment?

...

Yes? Lmao

I don’t get the excuses, honestly. It’s not a matter of they can’t, it’s the fact they opted for CGI because it’s faster. MAPPA has taken too much to work on and it’s bleeding into the quality. You can’t convince me it’s hard to animate a man with chainsaws in the year 2022, I am sorry, this isn’t the forties...

spoken like a person that didn't work a day in his life

What a weird rebuttal. Me thinking they should have used traditional animation equates to me never having worked in my life. All because you want to defend terrible CGI.

Oct 14, 2022 5:20 PM

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TheRealRouges said:

ktg said:

I wouldn't go that far, but it is a good show.

If we talk adaptation wise, it’s basically flawless, if we consider the entire manga that’s behind it it’s not even close, Chainsaw Man is basically the shonen child of Dorohedoro, and also AOT is nowhere near Dorohedoro manga quality

You made me laught there, I even liked the 1st volumes of Dorohedoro and I couldnt stand that ugly adaptation more than 10 mins, calling it best MAPPA adaptation is another level of crackheah, also the only aspect where AOT isnt near Dorohedoro manga is the drawing, for the rest Dorohedoro became laughable manga, Gyoka Wand was peak writting for sure, nty.

Oct 14, 2022 7:22 PM

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thunderkitten13 said:

MrFlakey said:

spoken like a person that didn't work a day in his life

What a weird rebuttal. Me thinking they should have used traditional animation equates to me never having worked in my life. All because you want to defend terrible CGI.

I'll tell you how it equates to that. Can you believe that the animators are human? shocking right? it's almost like they get super tired in their job for the sake of our entertainment and for entitled people like you that don't understand how hard they work to give you the best they have only for you to say they should have done better 🙂 you say animating a chainsaw man is easy I'm telling you it's not and they STILL delivered some 2D animation for it too.
go out there get a job only for the people you're working for shit on your work

Oct 14, 2022 9:10 PM

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yes, mappa goated

Oct 14, 2022 10:01 PM

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thunderkitten13 said:

MrFlakey said:

LMAO are you being serious? maybe because the manga panels are just a few still images while the anime is literally 24 frames in one second or something like that? do you really expect them to draw such a detailed character design 24 times for every second of the episode? when the CGI is one model for every episode and much easier to animate. brother stop the complaints and go get a job and start to feel what the animators have to go through

Do I expect them them to strive for the absolute best quality in one of the most popular franchises at the moment?

...

Yes? Lmao

I don’t get the excuses, honestly. It’s not a matter of they can’t, it’s the fact they opted for CGI because it’s faster. MAPPA has taken too much to work on and it’s bleeding into the quality. You can’t convince me it’s hard to animate a man with chainsaws in the year 2022, I am sorry, this isn’t the forties...

So you think they should just lock some animators in a room and make them animate three chainsaws that are moving during fight sequences? I legit don't believe that you understand how animation works.

Oct 14, 2022 10:07 PM

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ProcHoliday said:

thunderkitten13 said:

Do I expect them them to strive for the absolute best quality in one of the most popular franchises at the moment?

...

Yes? Lmao

I don’t get the excuses, honestly. It’s not a matter of they can’t, it’s the fact they opted for CGI because it’s faster. MAPPA has taken too much to work on and it’s bleeding into the quality. You can’t convince me it’s hard to animate a man with chainsaws in the year 2022, I am sorry, this isn’t the forties...

So you think they should just lock some animators in a room and make them animate three chainsaws that are moving during fight sequences? I legit don't believe that you understand how animation works.

Who is talking about locking anyone in a room and forcing them to work??? Why is this even being used as an attempt to deflect accountability lmao, we are talking about the “quality” of animation, not worker’s rights and labor ethics...

Oct 14, 2022 10:08 PM

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MrFlakey said:

thunderkitten13 said:

What a weird rebuttal. Me thinking they should have used traditional animation equates to me never having worked in my life. All because you want to defend terrible CGI.

I'll tell you how it equates to that. Can you believe that the animators are human? shocking right? it's almost like they get super tired in their job for the sake of our entertainment and for entitled people like you that don't understand how hard they work to give you the best they have only for you to say they should have done better 🙂 you say animating a chainsaw man is easy I'm telling you it's not and they STILL delivered some 2D animation for it too.
go out there get a job only for the people you're working for shit on your work

My God. Why is it you cannot call a million dollar company out on their nonsense without complete randoms on the internet feeling the urge to go to their defense...
Ask for better quality in your products/services! Have some dignity!

Oct 14, 2022 10:13 PM

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thunderkitten13 said:

MrFlakey said:

LMAO are you being serious? maybe because the manga panels are just a few still images while the anime is literally 24 frames in one second or something like that? do you really expect them to draw such a detailed character design 24 times for every second of the episode? when the CGI is one model for every episode and much easier to animate. brother stop the complaints and go get a job and start to feel what the animators have to go through

Do I expect them them to strive for the absolute best quality in one of the most popular franchises at the moment?

...

Yes? Lmao

I don’t get the excuses, honestly. It’s not a matter of they can’t, it’s the fact they opted for CGI because it’s faster. MAPPA has taken too much to work on and it’s bleeding into the quality. You can’t convince me it’s hard to animate a man with chainsaws in the year 2022, I am sorry, this isn’t the forties...

There are animator’s who want to draw full 2D action scenes of chainsawman and those who participated in ep 1 like kouki fujimoto , Hiroyuki takashima, sakazume , yoshihara, mitani have those capabilities.
Infact they choose the 3D for not making it go off model which will happen in 2D a lot and it might be a artistic choice to use cgi it’s not like they are lazy but the cgi is more harder in its own way which you neck bearded drunken asses can’t understand. Infact CGI costs more than 2D and they still gone for CGI just to deliver a good on model adaptation which they delivered beautifully.

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Oct 14, 2022 10:14 PM

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thunderkitten13 said:

ProcHoliday said:

So you think they should just lock some animators in a room and make them animate three chainsaws that are moving during fight sequences? I legit don't believe that you understand how animation works.

Who is talking about locking anyone in a room and forcing them to work??? Why is this even being used as an attempt to deflect accountability lmao, we are talking about the “quality” of animation, not worker’s rights and labor ethics...

Dude, because making a CGI chainsaw is a lot easier on animators than having a group full of people animate one frame by frame. Are you slow?

Oct 14, 2022 10:18 PM

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Iloveggs said:

thunderkitten13 said:

Do I expect them them to strive for the absolute best quality in one of the most popular franchises at the moment?

...

Yes? Lmao

I don’t get the excuses, honestly. It’s not a matter of they can’t, it’s the fact they opted for CGI because it’s faster. MAPPA has taken too much to work on and it’s bleeding into the quality. You can’t convince me it’s hard to animate a man with chainsaws in the year 2022, I am sorry, this isn’t the forties...

There are animator’s who want to draw full 2D action scenes of chainsawman and those who participated in ep 1 like kouki fujimoto , Hiroyuki takashima, sakazume , yoshihara, mitani have those capabilities.
Infact they choose the 3D for not making it go off model which will happen in 2D a lot and it might be a artistic choice to use cgi it’s not like they are lazy but the cgi is more harder in its own way which you neck bearded drunken asses can’t understand. Infact CGI costs more than 2D and they still gone for CGI just to deliver a good on model adaptation which they delivered beautifully.

CGI is not anywhere near the scale or quality traditional animation is, I am sorry, despite your angry insults, you are just wrong. Yes, a lot is on board for the anime, but bad CGI is bad CGI. They will now forever be tied to a series that decided to CGI animate a crucial part of the anime forever now. You CM fans literally want to defend a studio that is delivering worse quality than the manga, it’s hilarious. Nobody is saying it has to be perfect but the quality on display is perfect when it’s good and noticeable bad when it’s bad, and tends to drop the quality of the enjoyment down. That was always my point, but I suppose MAPPA paying its shills overtime to be toxic to ANY type of negativity towards the show, regardless of how minor. Idc if you want to accept bad Studio habits, but I won’t; Idc who or what is working on a project, bad is bad.

Oct 14, 2022 10:20 PM

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ProcHoliday said:

thunderkitten13 said:

Who is talking about locking anyone in a room and forcing them to work??? Why is this even being used as an attempt to deflect accountability lmao, we are talking about the “quality” of animation, not worker’s rights and labor ethics...

Dude, because making a CGI chainsaw is a lot easier on animators than having a group full of people animate one frame by frame. Are you slow?

So the studio shouldn’t be taking on a workload where they have to cut corners to complete projects. It’s that simple. Nobody has to be locked in any rooms if the higher ups weren’t greedy. Cm deserved better. My god, why am I the one trying to convince the fans that they deserve better quality haha, I never even read the manga.

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