Attack on Titan
| Its pretty similiar to Game of Thrones in a sense that it peaked early, and its gradually going down hill in terms of season quality. Almost everyone would agree AoT S3 P2 was its peak. Objectively. However since then, every additional season has gone down in terms of quality, and it is shown in the scores. With how hated the manga ending was, its almost certain the S4 P3 will be significantly lower than any other AoT season. For as good a show as Attack on Titan was, its a shame it couldnt end strong. Shows like Code Geass and Steins;Gate are truly special because they are able to get better up until the very end. I just wish attack on titan could have been like that as well ;/ |
4nders said: Season 4 has extremely high ratings, what are you on about? this post is about the overrall trend of the scores. sequel bias // botting is the main reason why the actual scores are so high |
| oh for sure, a lot of what made AoT interesting was the mysteries about the world and waiting to see how the plot concluded but in hindsight its all very disappointing, so now anyone who gets into it will binge it and then be disappointed much faster than those who read the manga or watched the anime as it was being released. Furthermore, a lot of the hype for the series was cause it was huge in the west and it was many people's first foray into anime. as time passes it'll get old so it won't be many people's first anime and it won't hold up the way shows like NGE, Cowboy Bebop, and FMA:B etc. have held up. |
Oremonogatari said: CickNipolla said: this post is about the overrall trend of the scores. sequel bias // botting is the main reason why the actual scores are so high Right, because God forbid your idea that the quality of the series has fallen isn’t shared by everyone. i mean, the scores are trending downward so it seems the sentiment is what the community feels |
struggler_sensei said: oh for sure, a lot of what made AoT interesting was the mysteries about the world and waiting to see how the plot concluded but in hindsight its all very disappointing, so now anyone who gets into it will binge it and then be disappointed much faster than those who read the manga or watched the anime as it was being released. Furthermore, a lot of the hype for the series was cause it was huge in the west and it was many people's first foray into anime. as time passes it'll get old so it won't be many people's first anime and it won't hold up the way shows like NGE, Cowboy Bebop, and FMA:B etc. have held up. the appeal of titans will always be popular to new fans, because apocalypse type things like that are widely popular. but yea the scores show that once they got into the political stuff the show went downhill |
CickNipolla said: yeah but like there will probably some new thing that has that dystopian feel just like there was before AoT and as such its relevance will fade. It was popular enough that it wont be forgotten but it wont have the same impact it currently does.struggler_sensei said: oh for sure, a lot of what made AoT interesting was the mysteries about the world and waiting to see how the plot concluded but in hindsight its all very disappointing, so now anyone who gets into it will binge it and then be disappointed much faster than those who read the manga or watched the anime as it was being released. Furthermore, a lot of the hype for the series was cause it was huge in the west and it was many people's first foray into anime. as time passes it'll get old so it won't be many people's first anime and it won't hold up the way shows like NGE, Cowboy Bebop, and FMA:B etc. have held up. the appeal of titans will always be popular to new fans, because apocalypse type things like that are widely popular. but yea the scores show that once they got into the political stuff the show went downhill |
| There is no downward trend. Final Series is amazing so far and was adapted well. |
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SanValentin said: Between the use of objectively in your opinion and thinking Stein’s;Gate is any good, I can’t take this seriously. This has to be a joke. i personally dont think steins;gate is all that good, but it is top 5 on MAL for a reason |
Piromysl said: There is no downward trend. Final Series is amazing so far and was adapted well. Well, it's ugly compared to Wit, chapters that take <5 minutes to read get adapted into a full episode, so the pacing is atrociously slow, and all the manga readers hate the ending anyway. I have no idea why season 4 is highly rated... |
SanValentin said: Between the use of objectively in your opinion and thinking Stein’s;Gate is any good, I can’t take this seriously. This has to be a joke. Are you saying Stein's Gate is not good? It's not just great, it's a classic. It's like saying L is a bad antagonist, 90% of people will wonder if you even saw the anime if you have that opinion. Most people that care about writing and think more deeply agree that AoT after the time skip is rushed and inferior to AoT before time skip and that the ending is a disappointment. I am not saying it is bad, it is still better written than many anime released nowadays. But the mangaka is skilled enough to do better. |
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Buba777 said: Nah fam it really aint. Maybe one day you'll realise it.struggler_sensei said: oh for sure, a lot of what made AoT interesting was the mysteries about the world and waiting to see how the plot concluded but in hindsight its all very disappointing, so now anyone who gets into it will binge it and then be disappointed much faster than those who read the manga or watched the anime as it was being released. Furthermore, a lot of the hype for the series was cause it was huge in the west and it was many people's first foray into anime. as time passes it'll get old so it won't be many people's first anime and it won't hold up the way shows like NGE, Cowboy Bebop, and FMA:B etc. have held up. Lol kekw season 4 is the best, because you dididnt like it it doesnt mean its bad |
| Bruh. "Downhill in quality" it's almost as if the story actually became more mature and better with the introduction of Season 4. Season 3 Part 2 is hella goated and all, but it was not what "Attack on Titan" was leading out to be. Everything that has happened in the beginning portion of the narrative, was all foreshadowed to peak at the commence of the Rumbling, which it did. "What are you doing, Dad? Stand up." or "Hear me, all Subjects of Ymir..." you're telling me those words have no impact? Come on, this has to be some random thought you had in the shower and decided to put it into words, "objectively" more like oh-i-really-loved-this-so-from-now-on-i'll-be-referring-to-it-as-objectively-correct.  |
SanValentin said: Listen man sure tastes are subjective but look most people agree shit probably tastes bad and if you go around going "Mmm shit is yummy 10/10" folks are going to tell you to get your tongue replaced cause you got shit taste. And clearly if you don't think Stein's;Gate is good you sir have shit taste.Between the use of objectively in your opinion and thinking Stein’s;Gate is any good, I can’t take this seriously. This has to be a joke. |
Khalil04 said: luckyowl10 said: Are you saying Stein's Gate is not good? It's not just great, it's a classic. It's like saying L is a bad antagonist, 90% of people will wonder if you even saw the anime if you have that opinion. Most people that care about writing and think more deeply agree that AoT after the time skip is rushed and inferior to AoT before time skip and that the ending is a disappointment. I am not saying it is bad, it is still better written than many anime released nowadays. But the mangaka is skilled enough to do better. Oh so shounen fans are now the people who care about writing?😂 Because those are the only ones who shout about some "flaws" they manage to create by ignoring some important aspects of the story Let's not get into this topic because writing is always objective, and after time skip it was always stepping forward brilliantly The Grandfather Paradox is a central law of time travel. Any time travel, be in physical or in the mind (like in AoT). Breaking it it's not brilliant writing, it's not making your homework as a writer. In the case of AoT, if time is linear, it's impossible for past Eren to get new memories or be influenced by future Eren, because future Eren doesn't exist when past Eren lives his life. This is a paradox, when Eren goes into memories with Zeke and changes the past, the present should be totally changed at the same time in huge ways, as the Butterfly effect takes place. Time shouldn't be predestined. I get that AoT is a fantasy and the memory time travel is magic that can do anything the writer wants. It doesn't need to make sense. But for a show that wanted to have some reality in it, memory traveling is not an example of good writing, but feels like a gimmick in order to have a huge twist and keep the hype up in the sky. |
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| So if all people agree(not all do btw), then it's "objectively true"? Lol. Omnisaur said: Season 4 part 1 and 2 is better than Season 3 part 2. I will stand by this until I die. This is true so long as you consider only Part 1. |
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Khalil04 said: luckyowl10 said: The Grandfather Paradox is a central law of time travel. Any time travel, be in physical or in the mind (like in AoT). Breaking it it's not brilliant writing, it's not making your homework as a writer. In the case of AoT, if time is linear, it's impossible for past Eren to get new memories or be influenced by future Eren, because future Eren doesn't exist when past Eren lives his life. This is a paradox, when Eren goes into memories with Zeke and changes the past, the present should be totally changed at the same time in huge ways, as the Butterfly effect takes place. Time shouldn't be predestined. I get that AoT is a fantasy and the memory time travel is magic that can do anything the writer wants. It doesn't need to make sense. But for a show that wanted to have some reality in it, memory traveling is not an example of good writing, but feels like a gimmick in order to have a huge twist and keep the hype up in the sky. Do you even know what you're writing here ?😳 First of all it's not time traveling nor magic wtf AOT's time is stable and can't change, meaning the future, past and present are all connected in a circle that every one of them affects the other, it's much easier to explain if you have watched Dark, and the butterfly effects doesn't work the way you used it here Eren didn't physically travel to cause a butterfly effect, he was visiting an already existing memory that made him the person he is, because in the paths, future, past and present happen all together at the same time Let me remind you that he didn't change anything because His existence in his dad's memories and affecting them is essential for his continuation and existence in the first place, and as I said since the paths doesn't work like the real time it allows the possibility of this idea to be done It's a very genius writing and unmatched storytelling People's opinions are different and after all, it's best to respect them, good or bad, everyone thinks in a unique way. I will leave you to enjoy the "very genius writing and unmatched storytelling" of AoT Final Season. |
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Buba777 said: struggler_sensei said: oh for sure, a lot of what made AoT interesting was the mysteries about the world and waiting to see how the plot concluded but in hindsight its all very disappointing, so now anyone who gets into it will binge it and then be disappointed much faster than those who read the manga or watched the anime as it was being released. Furthermore, a lot of the hype for the series was cause it was huge in the west and it was many people's first foray into anime. as time passes it'll get old so it won't be many people's first anime and it won't hold up the way shows like NGE, Cowboy Bebop, and FMA:B etc. have held up. Lol kekw season 4 is the best, because you dididnt like it it doesnt mean its bad That is actually what it means, since I happen to have objectively the correct taste. |
| how did this turn into a steins;gate vs aot thread |
iLuvCoffee said: Bruh. "Downhill in quality" it's almost as if the story actually became more mature and better with the introduction of Season 4. Season 3 Part 2 is hella goated and all, but it was not what "Attack on Titan" was leading out to be. Everything that has happened in the beginning portion of the narrative, was all foreshadowed to peak at the commence of the Rumbling, which it did. "What are you doing, Dad? Stand up." or "Hear me, all Subjects of Ymir..." you're telling me those words have no impact? Come on, this has to be some random thought you had in the shower and decided to put it into words, "objectively" more like oh-i-really-loved-this-so-from-now-on-i'll-be-referring-to-it-as-objectively-correct. Good point. I agree |
Mhd_sharexf said: CickNipolla said: Its pretty similiar to Game of Thrones in a sense that it peaked early, and its gradually going down hill in terms of season quality. Almost everyone would agree AoT S3 P2 was its peak. Objectively. However since then, every additional season has gone down in terms of quality, and it is shown in the scores. With how hated the manga ending was, its almost certain the S4 P3 will be significantly lower than any other AoT season. For as good a show as Attack on Titan was, its a shame it couldnt end strong. Shows like Code Geass and Steins;Gate are truly special because they are able to get better up until the very end. I just wish attack on titan could have been like that as well ;/ this is the second thread that you have created against aot, how about you go back to r/titanfloks and cope 🤓🤓 don't waste your time, this kid only makes threads with the intention to downplay other shows. there's no use or hope for him so don't bother |
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Cestlavie_ said: luckyowl10 said: The Grandfather Paradox is a central law of time travel. Any time travel, be in physical or in the mind (like in AoT). Breaking it it's not brilliant writing, it's not making your homework as a writer. In the case of AoT, if time is linear, it's impossible for past Eren to get new memories or be influenced by future Eren, because future Eren doesn't exist when past Eren lives his life. This is a paradox, when Eren goes into memories with Zeke and changes the past, the present should be totally changed at the same time in huge ways, as the Butterfly effect takes place. Time shouldn't be predestined. I get that AoT is a fantasy and the memory time travel is magic that can do anything the writer wants. It doesn't need to make sense. But for a show that wanted to have some reality in it, memory traveling is not an example of good writing, but feels like a gimmick in order to have a huge twist and keep the hype up in the sky. Khalil04 said: Do you even know what you're writing here ?😳 First of all it's not time traveling nor magic wtf AOT's time is stable and can't change, meaning the future, past and present are all connected in a circle that every one of them affects the other, it's much easier to explain if you have watched Dark, and the butterfly effects doesn't work the way you used it here Eren didn't physically travel to cause a butterfly effect, he was visiting an already existing memory that made him the person he is, because in the paths, future, past and present happen all together at the same time Let me remind you that he didn't change anything because His existence in his dad's memories and affecting them is essential for his continuation and existence in the first place, and as I said since the paths doesn't work like the real time it allows the possibility of this idea to be done It's a very genius writing and unmatched storytelling Lol this suddenly turned into a lecture of time and relativity Anyway The power of Attack titan is simply to see through the future inheritors memories, thus know the future. However, the future inheritors can choose what to show to the past. And through Zeke, Eren accessed his Founding Titan ability and got the memory of his father and him in the past. By choosing the pieces of memory he wanted to show, he made Grisha, his father believed that he need to kill the Reiss family to save human. So technically, thanks to Zeke, Eren was able to use the Attack titan power to manipulate the past as he wanted by affect his father's future prediction. Now Where the confusion now lies still circles back to that grandfather's paradox but meh the rules of AOT don't follow the normal laws of physics and I'm tired of trying to understand it I agree that trying to resolve the Grandfather's Paradox in AoT is not worth it. I doubt Isayama did even bother with it when writing the story. At least I appreciate someone continued the lecture in time and relativity. |
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ryzxgum said: Mhd_sharexf said: this is the second thread that you have created against aot, how about you go back to r/titanfloks and cope 🤓🤓 don't waste your time, this kid only makes threads with the intention to downplay other shows. there's no use or hope for him so don't bother As a former AoT enthusiast myself, I stand with @CickNipolla on the fact the AoT decreased in quality significantly. The introduction of the time-skip and the storylines followed are shrouded in mystery and drastic character motivations that were never well explained in the end. The first half mystery plot in AoT was well established, while the later half is not. And well, the ending destroyed any continuity and characters in the end. |
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CickNipolla said: ryzxgum said: don't waste your time, this kid only makes threads with the intention to downplay other shows. there's no use or hope for him so don't bother arent u the same person who said its normal for someone to survive 4 lighting strikes lol i don't remember commenting on that guy, clown? i only spoke on the girl's dad. also changing the topic? useless, as all things about you are. |
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SanValentin said: Between the use of objectively in your opinion and thinking Stein’s;Gate is any good, I can’t take this seriously. This has to be a joke. Steins;Gate is good, way more well written than AOT |
LordSozin said: ryzxgum said: don't waste your time, this kid only makes threads with the intention to downplay other shows. there's no use or hope for him so don't bother As a former AoT enthusiast myself, I stand with @CickNipolla on the fact the AoT decreased in quality significantly. The introduction of the time-skip and the storylines followed are shrouded in mystery and drastic character motivations that were never well explained in the end. The first half mystery plot in AoT was well established, while the later half is not. And well, the ending destroyed any continuity and characters in the end. time skips almost never work out in anime, i think the only good time skip in anime was naruto's |
CickNipolla said: LordSozin said: As a former AoT enthusiast myself, I stand with @CickNipolla on the fact the AoT decreased in quality significantly. The introduction of the time-skip and the storylines followed are shrouded in mystery and drastic character motivations that were never well explained in the end. The first half mystery plot in AoT was well established, while the later half is not. And well, the ending destroyed any continuity and characters in the end. time skips almost never work out in anime, i think the only good time skip in anime was naruto's another L. jojos, one piece, bleach all have better timeskips |
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ryzxgum said: CickNipolla said: time skips almost never work out in anime, i think the only good time skip in anime was naruto's another L. jojos, one piece, bleach all have better timeskips except none of those have good time skips, maybe jojo tbh but kinda hard to call that a true timeskip |
CickNipolla said: except none of those have good time skips, maybe jojo tbh but kinda hard to call that a true timeskip you haven't reached the one piece timeskip, you don't even know when bleach has a timeskip. jojos has a 5 timeskips so far in the anime. i think the manga has 1 or 2 more. theres a timeskip for each part of jojos, it even skips a whole generation and you're saying it can't be considered a timeskip lol |
ryzxgumAug 4, 2022 5:27 PM
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| it hasn't gone down objectively that's your opinion. Some people like the ending. |
CickNipolla said: ryzxgum said: you haven't reached the one piece timeskip, you don't even know when bleach has a timeskip. jojos has a 5 timeskips so far in the anime. i think the manga has 1 or 2 more. theres a timeskip for each part of jojos, it even skips a whole generation and you're saying it can't be considered a timeskip lol thats not really how a time skip works. wow you are actually the dictionary definition of "dumb" |
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