| I'm not hating and I actually like the show but I'm just wondering if i missed something because its really not as special as people make it out to be. its just as enjoyable as other shounens like black clover and naruto, I don't see why its rated so highly. |
| "Signatures are cringe" - Sun Tzu probably |
| Only good thing about it are Meruem, Komugi and Pouf. All insanely well written characters and people should only watch the show for them. |
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Tendo_GM said: Only good thing about it are Meruem, Komugi and Pouf. All insanely well written characters and people should only watch the show for them. but Hunter x Hunter is not the only shounen with good characters. Naruto has a shit ton of insanely well written characters like pain, Jiraiya, sasuke, naruto himself and almost everyone. I don't get why hunter X hunter is the only shounen that gets this special treatment though. |
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nishant0 said: Consistency with animation, best fight scenes, grate character, a cool ability(nen) and a unique take on shounen anime in my opinion but those are things that almost all other shounens also have except maybe animation consistency. |
| "Signatures are cringe" - Sun Tzu probably |
| Because it has bungee gum, which has the properties of both rubber AND gum. |
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| It has everything you would want from a shounen |
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| I don't see what makes it so special either. People say it's well written which is the part I disagree with the most. It's actually one of the worst anime I've seen. |
| Isn't this obvious? Don't you know that bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum? |
if_jerry said: dingbaticalness said: and I'm not denying that. but its not a masterpiece like people make it out to be Brother when I was watching HxH, it felt different from every shonen that I have ever watched... Every fight scene was well balanced with action and strategy... So I think it's well rated.. balance action and strategy is also something in almost every shounen, hell most shounen fights are the characters just making strategies for their actions in fight scenes. also why is the show feeling different than other shounen enough to win it points, i can think of many garbage shounen shows that feel different that main stream shounen. |
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dingbaticalness said: Tendo_GM said: Only good thing about it are Meruem, Komugi and Pouf. All insanely well written characters and people should only watch the show for them. but Hunter x Hunter is not the only shounen with good characters. Naruto has a shit ton of insanely well written characters like pain, Jiraiya, sasuke, naruto himself and almost everyone. I don't get why hunter X hunter is the only shounen that gets this special treatment though. Nah, they are not the same… That’s why it gets the special treatment |
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Tendo_GM said: dingbaticalness said: but Hunter x Hunter is not the only shounen with good characters. Naruto has a shit ton of insanely well written characters like pain, Jiraiya, sasuke, naruto himself and almost everyone. I don't get why hunter X hunter is the only shounen that gets this special treatment though. Nah, they are not the same… That’s why it gets the special treatment You can't just make such an ambiguous statement like that and never elaborate on it. to me it just looks like you can't even convince yourself that hunter x hunter is special. |
| "Signatures are cringe" - Sun Tzu probably |
| Maybe HxH in comparison is better than other shounens or maybe that's how people who liked HxH and watched all other long running shounens might. I hear a lot about how fillers in other Anime are annoying and such. I never really heard any big complaints about HxH (I'm not talking about the baseless hate). So, that's a plus too. HxH is the only long shounen I've watched and I think it's a really great series. Each arc feels really different and it doesn't have any unnecessary romance and stuff happening in it. Just a story of two friends venturing a fascinating world. |
| Many shounen action titles have a bad habit of dragging out their plot arcs for episodes on end or having some sort of filler and bending the rules of their battle systems for storytelling convenience involving their major characters suddenly gaining new power-ups and abilities while on the verge of death in a major battle, reasons why I haven't wanted to touch titles like Bleach, Black Clover, and Naruto Shippuden. Hunter x Hunter deconstructs these storytelling tropes as there's little in the way of filler and largely everything in its storytelling has a purpose throughout its story arcs. Plus, the series sticks with the rules established with its Nen system without trying to bend things having characters who are flexible with their Nen abilities or having some sort of limitations for them where they have to think strategically on how to effectively utilize them. Plus, the series shows the serious consequences there are for attempting to surpass your limits at a few points of the series. |
| Because of Characters.... All the main characters have goal and follow their own goal. They don't stick together unlike in other battle shounen. I mean just look at there is separate Arc for each of the main characters. The villains and their motives are not cliched like conquering the world/ i am justice......, their goals are very simple and grounded. Even if they starts as cliched(Meruem) ,they end up something else. Despite being 12 years main characters acts very mature and sensible ,they don't act reckless. Before making any tough decision they think about it twice. Battle system(Nen) is unique and flexible. It follows it's clear rules, and every power or every move has a logical reason that follows these rules .It also allows users to create their own moves and character can use nen for other things not only for fighting. Every Arc is different from previous and lead by new ideas and characters ,this prevent things from getting repetitive and boring. You can check the top review of HxH to know more. |
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| Do you remember the Shikamaru vs Temari fight in Naruto? Despite not having high stakes, Shikamaru's strategy made it the most memorable fight to me of the whole series. In Hunter x Hunter this level of quality is the baseline. |
R_2_R said: Maybe HxH in comparison is better than other shounens or maybe that's how people who liked HxH and watched all other long running shounens might. I hear a lot about how fillers in other Anime are annoying and such. I never really heard any big complaints about HxH (I'm not talking about the baseless hate). So, that's a plus too. HxH is the only long shounen I've watched and I think it's a really great series. Each arc feels really different and it doesn't have any unnecessary romance and stuff happening in it. Just a story of two friends venturing a fascinating world. "each arc feels really diffrent" like bro thats the point of having an arc. the only valid point you made was the absence of fillers, but fillers are skippable (unless you watch one piece) so this argument doesn't really count. also I don't see how having no romance is a plus. but to hell with hunter x hunter, why the hell do you have aot rated that low my guy. I'll let it slide this once cuz you have mushishi in your favourites though ggultra2764 said: Many shounen action titles have a bad habit of dragging out their plot arcs for episodes on end or having some sort of filler and bending the rules of their battle systems for storytelling convenience involving their major characters suddenly gaining new power-ups and abilities while on the verge of death in a major battle, reasons why I haven't wanted to touch titles like Bleach, Black Clover, and Naruto Shippuden. Hunter x Hunter deconstructs these storytelling tropes as there's little in the way of filler and largely everything in its storytelling has a purpose throughout its story arcs. Plus, the series sticks with the rules established with its Nen system without trying to bend things having characters who are flexible with their Nen abilities or having some sort of limitations for them where they have to think strategically on how to effectively utilize them. Plus, the series shows the serious consequences there are for attempting to surpass your limits at a few points of the series. bro's the first one in this thread to actually make a valid argument. but then again alot of shounen shows have a solid system that they never break or misuse like attack on titan, but that's not what makes attack on titan special. what makes attack on titan special is the complex story that overlaps together to make a whole. can't say the same for hunter x hunter though Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
Zach-chanMar 19, 2022 6:11 PM
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dingbaticalness said: R_2_R said: Maybe HxH in comparison is better than other shounens or maybe that's how people who liked HxH and watched all other long running shounens might. I hear a lot about how fillers in other Anime are annoying and such. I never really heard any big complaints about HxH (I'm not talking about the baseless hate). So, that's a plus too. HxH is the only long shounen I've watched and I think it's a really great series. Each arc feels really different and it doesn't have any unnecessary romance and stuff happening in it. Just a story of two friends venturing a fascinating world. "each arc feels really diffrent" like bro thats the point of having an arc. the only valid point you made was the absence of fillers, but fillers are skippable (unless you watch one piece) so this argument doesn't really count. also I don't see how having no romance is a plus. but to hell with hunter x hunter, why the hell do you have aot rated that low my guy. I'll let it slide this once cuz you have mushishi in your favourites though Ah my bad. When I said "really different", it's that it doesn't stick out to normal tropes I've seen/heard in other Anime. HxH doesn't really pull a power of friendship or anything vague. It feels really consistent and ends a satisfying and clear note. While yes, other Anime does that too but from the most I've seen, they pull some kind of trick that doesn't satisfy me like flashbacks, power of family/friendship, unnecessarily vague monologues and such. HxH world really looks like a lot of care & effort given to it's world & characters which is what I think is so great about it. It does have some pacing issues but that doesn't really bother me. Take any long running shounen like Naruto, Bleach, Black Clover or Fairy Tale for example. From what I've heard, they always have this love triangle or romance situation that not many people liked. The amount of haters Sakura from Naruto has proves it. And since HxH doesn't have romance, it stands out from the bunch. And no. I'm NOT really saying having romance is a "bad" thing. FMAB is an example of having a satisfying romance that doesn't feel annoying or unnecessary. "Why AoT low rated?" What do you mean dude? I gave S3P2 a "9" and S4P1 (& P2) an "8". How's that not high? Even if you refer to the initial seasons, "6 & 7" are not low scores either. Not for me atleast. I don't know about you. Yeah, Mushishi is great. |
| [quote=R_2_R message=65940866][quote=dingbaticalness message=65940739] R_2_R said: Ah my bad. When I said "really different", it's that it doesn't stick out to normal tropes I've seen/heard in other Anime. HxH doesn't really pull a power of friendship or anything vague. It feels really consistent and ends a satisfying and clear note. While yes, other Anime does that too but from the most I've seen, they pull some kind of trick that doesn't satisfy me like flashbacks, power of family/friendship, unnecessarily vague monologues and such. HxH world really looks like a lot of care & effort given to it's world & characters which is what I think is so great about it. It does have some pacing issues but that doesn't really bother me. Take any long running shounen like Naruto, Bleach, Black Clover or Fairy Tale for example. From what I've heard, they always have this love triangle or romance situation that not many people liked. The amount of haters Sakura from Naruto has proves it. And since HxH doesn't have romance, it stands out from the bunch. And no. I'm NOT really saying having romance is a "bad" thing. FMAB is an example of having a satisfying romance that doesn't feel annoying or unnecessary. "Why AoT low rated?" What do you mean dude? I gave S3P2 a "9" and S4P1 (& P2) an "8". How's that not high? Even if you refer to the initial seasons, "6 & 7" are not low scores either. Not for me atleast. I don't know about you. Yeah, Mushishi is great. world building is pretty common nowadays, you see it in your average seasonal isekai even, but yeah I do agree that hunter x hunter doesn't have as many common tropes in it than other shows. that is a valid point, and I would normally tear into why this doesn't equate to a good story and show, but that would be a waste of both my time and your time. could use all this time I spend arguing in the forums here, binging more shows. take care, |
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| Because Hunter x Hunter is generic and not very special when you watch other shonen before it. I didn't like HxH either and most of the time I found it boring. HxH also has the worst fights with one note worthy fight and that's it. |
dingbaticalness said: Aot don't have any rule for its battle system. ggultra2764 said: Many shounen action titles have a bad habit of dragging out their plot arcs for episodes on end or having some sort of filler and bending the rules of their battle systems for storytelling convenience involving their major characters suddenly gaining new power-ups and abilities while on the verge of death in a major battle, reasons why I haven't wanted to touch titles like Bleach, Black Clover, and Naruto Shippuden. Hunter x Hunter deconstructs these storytelling tropes as there's little in the way of filler and largely everything in its storytelling has a purpose throughout its story arcs. Plus, the series sticks with the rules established with its Nen system without trying to bend things having characters who are flexible with their Nen abilities or having some sort of limitations for them where they have to think strategically on how to effectively utilize them. Plus, the series shows the serious consequences there are for attempting to surpass your limits at a few points of the series. bro's the first one in this thread to actually make a valid argument. but then again alot of shounen shows have a solid system that they never break or misuse like attack on titan, but that's not what makes attack on titan special. what makes attack on titan special is the complex story that overlaps together to make a whole. can't say the same for hunter x hunter though I can explain this with examples... Just look at HxH, it have six categories of Nen and each category is different from other. A character is born with one category and he is master of that category. They can't master other categories no matter how much they try. This is rule and limits of Nen. Now look at Aot ,we have 9 titats anyone can inherit any Titan. There is no rule or limits how many Titans a character can inherit. There is no fixed rule or limit for it. CyborgSaber said: Well, that's your opinion ,but it's opposite for me. When I had first watched HxH it was not special for me,when I watched more battle shounen and on my 1st rewatch of HxH i realised how it's different and better from rest.Because Hunter x Hunter is generic and not very special when you watch other shonen before it. |
dingbaticalness said: You can't just make such an ambiguous statement like that and never elaborate on it. to me it just looks like you can't even convince yourself that hunter x hunter is special. HxH isn’t special, I’m just saying that it gets special treatment that can be justified by the character writing that is above everything in shonen. The other reason is be ause it’s extremely influential in today’s shonen, it’s one of the first shonen manga that leaned into the darker tone |
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dingbaticalness said: ggultra2764 said: Many shounen action titles have a bad habit of dragging out their plot arcs for episodes on end or having some sort of filler and bending the rules of their battle systems for storytelling convenience involving their major characters suddenly gaining new power-ups and abilities while on the verge of death in a major battle, reasons why I haven't wanted to touch titles like Bleach, Black Clover, and Naruto Shippuden. Hunter x Hunter deconstructs these storytelling tropes as there's little in the way of filler and largely everything in its storytelling has a purpose throughout its story arcs. Plus, the series sticks with the rules established with its Nen system without trying to bend things having characters who are flexible with their Nen abilities or having some sort of limitations for them where they have to think strategically on how to effectively utilize them. Plus, the series shows the serious consequences there are for attempting to surpass your limits at a few points of the series. bro's the first one in this thread to actually make a valid argument. but then again alot of shounen shows have a solid system that they never break or misuse like attack on titan, but that's not what makes attack on titan special. what makes attack on titan special is the complex story that overlaps together to make a whole. can't say the same for hunter x hunter though Nobody is talking about AOT here… Also, AOT isn’t really a shonen, the demographic is categorized as “shonen” because it was published in Bessatsu Shounen Magazine, but that magazine is clearly not kids or even teens cause everything they publish is A LOT more mature than classic shonen magazines. |
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Mosesaa said: CyborgSaber said: Well, that's your opinion ,but it's opposite for me. When I had first watched HxH it was not special for me,when I watched more battle shounen and on my 1st rewatch of HxH i realised how it's different and better from rest.Because Hunter x Hunter is generic and not very special when you watch other shonen before it. I mean yeah of course it's my opinion just like you stated yours. I didn't like HxH enough to even think about a rewatch. HxH is actually one of my biggest regrets in that I wish I never watched it in the first place and listened to my gut and dropped when i originally did. I'm not a huge fan of battle shonen anime. I was told that HxH is unique and different which to me was a lie. HxH is the most generic shonen. Yeah HxH came before a lot of other shonen anime doesn't make it better too me. |
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Tendo_GM said: dingbaticalness said: bro's the first one in this thread to actually make a valid argument. but then again alot of shounen shows have a solid system that they never break or misuse like attack on titan, but that's not what makes attack on titan special. what makes attack on titan special is the complex story that overlaps together to make a whole. can't say the same for hunter x hunter though Nobody is talking about AOT here… Also, AOT isn’t really a shonen, the demographic is categorized as “shonen” because it was published in Bessatsu Shounen Magazine, but that magazine is clearly not kids or even teens cause everything they publish is A LOT more mature than classic shonen magazines. bro you're a clown rating every season of aot a 1. I don't wanna hear nothing about aot coming from you. you already know the show is a masterpiece, which is why you try to drag it down by giving it 1s. |
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| It surely earned it's place among the top tier battle shounen, I could think of many reasons. Personally, the first episode already had me sold with the promise of a great adventure. This impression was reinforced by The Hunter Exam that followed up with a sample size of lore and world building. You don't get introduction arcs like that anymore, as the trend in modern shounen is to get straight to the point at the expense of wonder and adventure. And the mysteries of the world were always one of the major selling points in HxH. Too bad that most of it's potential was left untouched. The arcs offer diversity and it's not always just about fighting, that makes it a bit more appealing in terms of storytelling. Vocal HxH fans will try to sell it as the only well written or best battle shounen just because it caters to their preferences, but I guess that goes for many series and you always should take big praise with a grain of salt. |
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CyborgSaber said: Okay fine, if you don't find it unique. Lots of fans think HxH is unique from other battle shounen in one way or other.I was told that HxH is unique and different which to me was a lie. HxH is the most generic shonen. Yeah HxH came before a lot of other shonen anime doesn't make it better too me. I want to hear your idea of what is generic and what is not. |
dingbaticalness said: Tendo_GM said: Nobody is talking about AOT here… Also, AOT isn’t really a shonen, the demographic is categorized as “shonen” because it was published in Bessatsu Shounen Magazine, but that magazine is clearly not kids or even teens cause everything they publish is A LOT more mature than classic shonen magazines. bro you're a clown rating every season of aot a 1. I don't wanna hear nothing about aot coming from you. you already know the show is a masterpiece, which is why you try to drag it down by giving it 1s. Lol, the most pathetic thing you could’ve done is insult someone for having a different opinion, congrats you’re pure cringe my dude. And this isn’t a discussion about the quality of the show, I’m talking about categorization… And no, it’s not a masterpiece… Aside from the irrefutably terrible ending, the story has tons of plot holes, retcons, bullshit asspulls, dumb character moments, and worst of all, it copies real historical events and them retells them in an insulting way. My score for AOT comes from my genuine shock at how bad the writing is. |
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Tendo_GM said: dingbaticalness said: bro you're a clown rating every season of aot a 1. I don't wanna hear nothing about aot coming from you. you already know the show is a masterpiece, which is why you try to drag it down by giving it 1s. Lol, the most pathetic thing you could’ve done is insult someone for having a different opinion, congrats you’re pure cringe my dude. And this isn’t a discussion about the quality of the show, I’m talking about categorization… And no, it’s not a masterpiece… Aside from the irrefutably terrible ending, the story has tons of plot holes, retcons, bullshit asspulls, dumb character moments, and worst of all, it copies real historical events and them retells them in an insulting way. My score for AOT comes from my genuine shock at how bad the writing is. You can keep telling yourself that, the objective reality that the show is a masterpiece will not be changed. you're entitled to your wrong opinion |
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dingbaticalness said: Tendo_GM said: Lol, the most pathetic thing you could’ve done is insult someone for having a different opinion, congrats you’re pure cringe my dude. And this isn’t a discussion about the quality of the show, I’m talking about categorization… And no, it’s not a masterpiece… Aside from the irrefutably terrible ending, the story has tons of plot holes, retcons, bullshit asspulls, dumb character moments, and worst of all, it copies real historical events and them retells them in an insulting way. My score for AOT comes from my genuine shock at how bad the writing is. You can keep telling yourself that, the objective reality that the show is a masterpiece will not be changed. you're entitled to your wrong opinion Yea you’re right, it’s not like the facts I presented contribute to the objective state of the matter… oh wait, they actually do, because they’re facts that can’t be argued with. You can’t say that they didn’t retcon, because they did; you can’t say that there are no plot holes because there are; you can’t say that it didn’t portray historic moments insultingly, because it did. So keep dreaming my friend, your delusion doesn’t replace reality. |
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| HxH is just a battle shounen but it is written and executed in more exciting ways than most battle shounen and generally knows how to push all the right buttons of its genre. It's just one of those shows that stand at the top of their genre. It doesn't do anything out of the ordinary, it just does all the things it needs to do very well and us fans appreciate it. It's better than most battle shounen at creating a sense of urgency and has some of the better and more fun antagonists I've seen in battle shounen as well es one of the more interesting battle systems in Nen. I'm a huge battle shounen fan, I basically watched all of them and I can safely say HxH is better than most at what it does. Of course not everyone will agree, in the end it's still subjective, but I'm confident in my ability to judge battle shounen fairly since it's the genre I've probably watched the most and I know every trope, every character archetype like the back of my hand. But if you don't think it's clearly better than Naruto or Black Clover (I like both of those but don't consider them in the same league tbh) then that's fine. I don't see how we can convince you otherwise when you've already made up your mind. I don't see why we should try. Based on your replies you just seem mostly interested in disagreeing with everything people say instead of taking them by their word when they answer your question. When people tell you why they like something more than another thing you can't just go 'no that's not true' when they're literally telling you that's how they feel. I don't get that mentality tbh. dingbaticalness said: Tendo_GM said: Only good thing about it are Meruem, Komugi and Pouf. All insanely well written characters and people should only watch the show for them. but Hunter x Hunter is not the only shounen with good characters. Naruto has a shit ton of insanely well written characters like pain, Jiraiya, sasuke, naruto himself and almost everyone. I don't get why hunter X hunter is the only shounen that gets this special treatment though. I mean have you even watched Naruto? It has hundreds of episodes of absolute terrible fillers and by that metric alone is infinitely worse and borderline unwatchable compared to HxH which is almost 100% faithful adaption that doesn't go on hiatus for 2 years in the middle of its runs. Pacing is very, very important especially for long-runners. You can't just compare two shows in one isolated way (characters) and judging them entirely from that perspective. Yes, Naruto has some great chars but HxH honestly has better ones if you ask me and Naruto also has way more mediocre chars or some that are straight-up annoying for most of its run (Sakura) and more importantly, a bunch of other, huge issues that HxH doesn't have like being borderline ruined by terrible fillers that run for way too long. Yes, for every individual aspect of HxH you can probably find another show that did a comparably good job. But that's only one aspect. HxH excels in almost everything it needs to excel in and none of the shows that compare to it in one aspect can say the same. I don't know if you're doing it on purpose or not but you're definitely not being fair here and just give off the vibe of disagreeing by default with everything people can come up to explain why they love the show, and I hate it when people do that. A classic case of having your mind made up long ago but pretending to be open minded just to shut down every attempt of people to explain their preference with a 'but that's not my opinion' response. No shit, sherlock, you were asking for the opinions of people who have a different opinion than you have on the show. You saying that you don't agree with their reasons should be obvious and not used to dismiss the answers you get to your question... dingbaticalness said: nishant0 said: Consistency with animation, best fight scenes, grate character, a cool ability(nen) and a unique take on shounen anime in my opinion but those are things that almost all other shounens also have except maybe animation consistency. Nobody says they don't have them. They're just not as good as in HxH, not as consistent, not as exciting, not as well executed, not as on-point, no as enjoyable. Although technically 'most shounens' can't have the 'best fight scenes' in the first places or 'a unique take on the genre', that makes no grammatical sense. 'Most' can't be the 'best' or 'unique'. So idk, are you even reading the stuff you reply to or just replying to everything with a copypasta about other shounens? Maybe you disagree that HxH is better at these things than most comparable shows, but that doesn't change the fact that that's how people feel about the show and I thought you wanted to understand that and not just refuse to believe how people feel about the show and its execution when they tell you right to your face. We can't make you feel the same way but we can at least expect you to take our word for it when you're asking us about the show and not just say 'no u' to everyone replying. If you don't see, for example, how Nen is more complex and interesting and malleable and generative as a power system than almost anything else we've seen in battle shounen, then idk how to convince you. You probably just don't care about it, don't pay the same amount of attention to it. But us battle shounen fans who do care and who do notice the differences appreciate it a lot and know that. dingbaticalness said: if_jerry said: Brother when I was watching HxH, it felt different from every shonen that I have ever watched... Every fight scene was well balanced with action and strategy... So I think it's well rated.. balance action and strategy is also something in almost every shounen, hell most shounen fights are the characters just making strategies for their actions in fight scenes. also why is the show feeling different than other shounen enough to win it points, i can think of many garbage shounen shows that feel different that main stream shounen. Again you're being very uncheritable here. First of all please name which battle shounen don't feel like battle shounen? I'd be very curious to hear them. I watch all the battle shounen and the only one that really feels a bit different is Full Metal Alchemist because it's more plot-oriented. And I guess JoJo is also always unique. Tbh I don't even think HxH feels that different, it's just better than most others at what it does. But different? I wouldn't say so. But I'm genuinely curious which battle shounen you have in mind that feel different. Also how many battle shounen have you even seen? Saying that most of them keep a perfect balance between power and strategy is a blatant lie. Mostly you have a small percentage of strategy but way more of it is just using your powers and overpowering the opponent. That's basically all there is to the action in Dragon Ball, Bleach, One Piece, Toriko and a bunch of other battle shounen. Heck, something like Black Clover might have more strategy than those I just listed but still not on the level of HxH. Not that HxH is the most strategic one out there (that goes to World Trigger) but it's definitely more strategic than the bulk of comparable anime. Without a doubt. Your response here once more shows your inability or unwillingness to see nuance in the replies you get. Sure, technically every battle shounen has a mix of strategy and action. But the ratio is definitely not always the same and that's what people were talking about and there aren't many that can compare to HxH in terms of how important strategy is and that's one of the things that makes it stand out among its peers. Which also ties back to how unique and creative Nen is because that's one of the reasons that allows for battles to be so much more strategic than they ever could be with a power system like in DBZ or Bleach. dingbaticalness said: R_2_R said: Maybe HxH in comparison is better than other shounens or maybe that's how people who liked HxH and watched all other long running shounens might. I hear a lot about how fillers in other Anime are annoying and such. I never really heard any big complaints about HxH (I'm not talking about the baseless hate). So, that's a plus too. HxH is the only long shounen I've watched and I think it's a really great series. Each arc feels really different and it doesn't have any unnecessary romance and stuff happening in it. Just a story of two friends venturing a fascinating world. "each arc feels really diffrent" like bro thats the point of having an arc. the only valid point you made was the absence of fillers, but fillers are skippable (unless you watch one piece) so this argument doesn't really count. also I don't see how having no romance is a plus. Like bro, that might be the 'point' of having an arc, but in reality a lot of battle shounen arcs feel uninspired and same-ish, e.g. every Bleach arc after the first one. Heck, even some of my favorites like One Piece tend to have very similar structures for a lot of their arcs and the main difference between is just setting and characters. Again you're just saying vague stuff that ignore what people are trying to say to just handwave away any response you get, showing that you never really cared about understanding why people like the show. You are not even backing up your vague statements with anything, just saying 'that's not special' and calling it a day. That's not an argument. If you want to devalue how people feel about the show after YOU asked them to tell you how they feel, then at least put some effort in. Give examples, give details on why you don't think all the things that make HxH stand out are 'not special'. Just saying so doesn't make it true. And fillers being skippable is not really an excuse at all. They're still part of the anime and should be considered when having an opinion on said anime. Not to mention that 'skipping' isn't as easy when you watched them while they aired. You could still do it, but it would mean going on a 2-year hiatus for the show. I'm still traumatized from Naruto Fillers when I was like 16. So yes, fillers are skippable, but so is technically every episode you don't want to watch. That doesn't mean that bad episodes should be ignored when forming an opinion on a show. That's just weird mental gymnastics you use to justify comparing Naruto to HxH. But nothing more perfectly embodies the hypocrisy of OP than that last sentence also I don't see how having no romance is a plus. because it's not about you buddy. You're asking people to tell you why THEY like the show. They did just that. The things you don't agree with you just have to accept. But also I probably know why no romance in a battle shounen is seen as a good thing - because historically I don't think romance ever goes anywhere during a battle shounen. The best you can hope for is 400 episodes of stalling and baiting and nothing happening aside from repetitive scenes, just to get a conclusion shoved down our throat in the final episode. And that's considered 'good romance' in battle shounen. And even in those cases, during the runtime the romance is usually just an annoying running gag that gets old very quickly and adds nothing to the show until the final episode. So doing without that element is almost always gonna be an upside as far as I'm concerned. It would be even better to see a battle shounen actually commit to and focus on romance earlier on, but I can't think of a single example that does that so if I have to pick between repetitive stalling or running gags or no romance, I'd always prefer the latter. dingbaticalness said: ggultra2764 said: Many shounen action titles have a bad habit of dragging out their plot arcs for episodes on end or having some sort of filler and bending the rules of their battle systems for storytelling convenience involving their major characters suddenly gaining new power-ups and abilities while on the verge of death in a major battle, reasons why I haven't wanted to touch titles like Bleach, Black Clover, and Naruto Shippuden. Hunter x Hunter deconstructs these storytelling tropes as there's little in the way of filler and largely everything in its storytelling has a purpose throughout its story arcs. Plus, the series sticks with the rules established with its Nen system without trying to bend things having characters who are flexible with their Nen abilities or having some sort of limitations for them where they have to think strategically on how to effectively utilize them. Plus, the series shows the serious consequences there are for attempting to surpass your limits at a few points of the series. bro's the first one in this thread to actually make a valid argument. but then again alot of shounen shows have a solid system that they never break or misuse like attack on titan, As @Mosesaa has already pointed out, you can't compare AoT with HxH at all in terms of the battle system. AoT is basically mecha when it comes to the battle system. And there's so much more to having a good battle system than 'not breaking it'. That's literally the minimum you should be able to expect. The main difference between Nen and most other battle system is that Nen lays out it's limitations and possibilities from the very start and is just very fleshed out and generative and complete from the beginning and every later development naturally comes out of what was established early on. Meanwhile most other battle shounen battle systems are intentionally kept vague so they can be adjusted as the show goes on to always fit the power dynamics and power levels the show needs. More often than not by the end of the show there have been so many levelups of their powers that they have nothing in common anymore with the early stuff. Just think of the early MMA fights in dragonball versus the planet-destroying laser beams in DBZ. Shows like One Piece or Bleach or Naruto just make up the ceiling of their power systems as they go and constantly 'move the goalpost' so to say. It makes sense to write like that in battle shounen, it's much easier to mold your power system to your story needs as you go, but that's why it's so respectable when a author tries to fully establish the battle system early on and make themselves adhere to it for the rest of the show, having to work within that framework they created. World Trigger is doing something similar and I also love it, it's probably the only battle shounen where I like the battle system even more than HxH. but that's not what makes attack on titan special. what makes attack on titan special is the complex story that overlaps together to make a whole. can't say the same for hunter x hunter though Well, that's just your opinion basically. And also noone is saying the plot is what makes HxH special. People have been trying to tell you all the other things that make it special but you've been refusing to acknowledge them as valid reasons. Now it all makes sense since you sound like someone who only appreciates shows based on plot and doesn't really care much about all the other aspects. Which is your right, we're just telling you that we feel differently and care more about all these other things we've been listing. I generally don't really care much about the plot in most anime since I've seen all of it before and the number of shows that primarily wow me with their plot I can count on one hand probably, but battle shounen in particular don't need a great plot if you ask me. They all have the same plot anyway, they all follow the same formula and how good or bad they are solely depends on all the other stuff we've mentione, on the execution and creativity. Sure there can be some quality differences in the plot, but they're usually not what makes me like or dislike a battle shounen. dingbaticalness said: world building is pretty common nowadays, you see it in your average seasonal isekai even, but yeah I do agree that hunter x hunter doesn't have as many common tropes in it than other shows. that is a valid point. Literally the same issues as with every reply. Saying 'there is worldbuilding in a lot of anime' is like saying 'there are characters in a lot of anime'. No shit. The thing being implied here is that HxH has GOOD worldbuilding, better than most shows, not just that it exists in the show. You keep saying 'this thing that HxH does very well also exists in a basic form in other shows so it's impossible to praise HxH for that' Do you do that on purpose? Do you not see how forced that line of reasoning is? Personally I don't even think the worldbuilding in HxH is that great tbh, it just makes up whatever it needs for its current arc and never gives us much insight into what's out there until we need to know for a new arc. It's very practical worldbuilding, not very planned, kinda like the opposite of how Nen was handled but it also gives a sense of adventure and exploration that you don't get in other shows where the world is more fully explained earlier on. I think people talk more about the set design than the worldbuilding tho because HxH is pretty good at that, every arc has its unique environment and design and there's usually some thought put into that. I would normally tear into why this doesn't equate to a good story and show, but that would be a waste of both my time and your time. could use all this time I spend arguing in the forums here, binging more shows. take care, Here your story bias shows again. If it doesn't equate a good story, it doesn't equate a good show. Needless to say that I disagree, there's so much more that goes into an anime than just the story. But this story bias is probably why you didn't enjoy HxH as much as me and others did. It always boils down to people just having different biases, different preferences, different things they care about in anime. dingbaticalness said: the objective reality that the show is a masterpiece will not be changed. you're entitled to your wrong opinion That's an objectively wrong statement. Value judgments on art are always and inherently subjective and trying to objectivize them just because you agree with them just makes you sound like a very petty, insecure, immature and ignorant person that can't deal with people who have different opinions. When you run out of arguments, you appeal to fake objectivity. It's pretty pathetic. I love AoT, but I'd rather side with the AoT hater when you put such baseless arrogance on display as a response. 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Zach-chanMar 19, 2022 6:14 PM
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dingbaticalness said: not true, Naruto is a generic shounen golden boy, jiraya is likable but that is it. And sasuke is a kurapika ripoff. I like Naruto but it really is a kid version of hxh.Tendo_GM said: Only good thing about it are Meruem, Komugi and Pouf. All insanely well written characters and people should only watch the show for them. but Hunter x Hunter is not the only shounen with good characters. Naruto has a shit ton of insanely well written characters like pain, Jiraiya, sasuke, naruto himself and almost everyone. I don't get why hunter X hunter is the only shounen that gets this special treatment though. |
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