Fruits Basket Collector's Edition
| she goes through a lot of shit herself and is raised to be in the role of an entitled abuser, but she still shouldn't be forgiven like instantly |
makotoplz said: I understand where you’re getting at, it’s true that after what she has done, I also don’t think she should be forgiven that easily, but then when u look at her, she was also a little weak mentally (personal opinion) and I also think that Rin had the most realistic reaction too, she was taught from a young age about how she was supposed to be loved and all, and since she was being taught that from the very beginning, not everyone can change what they have been taught or been doing since small age, so I think it’s logical to say that Akito also suffered a lot too along with the zodiacs, but not as much as the zodiacs, the zodiacs suffered both mentally and physically while I think that Akito suffered only mentally (again personal opinion idk if she really did suffer mentally, it looked like she did to me) she was even treated and raised as an opposite gender which could be pretty difficult for any normal person if it’s against their will, overall what I am trying to say is that everyone makes mistakes, what is necessary is to realize it, and she did, and I think she will have a healthy and peaceful life with everyone around her with Shigure guiding her.Rewatching S2 of Fruits Basket and I'd almost forgotten all the trauma Akito put the zodiac through, not to mention Tohru. I know she essentially lives happily ever after in the future, having a son and all with Shigure, but do you think she should be forgiven for everything she's done? When I think about what she's done.. - Psychologically traumatised Yuki - Physically harmed Rin, Kisa, Hatori, Tohru and Kureno, all because she was scared they were going to be taken away and was acting possessive of the zodiac (if I missed someone out, do add that on) And those are just ones that stick out to me, she's done a lot more. Her selfishness caused Hatori to become blind in one eye (idk if this was ever followed up) and led to Kana going crazy. And yes, Mayu and Hatori did get their happy ending, but this is still worth mentioning. She quite literally stabbed Kureno. Pushed Rin out a building. Hurt Kisa. No seriously, she put her hands on a whole child because of jealousy. When I think about all that, it makes me feel like there should have be an alternative ending. I love Tohru, she's an angel, I can't imagine her ever turning her back on anyone, but I wish she stood her ground here. Someone remind me whether she knew of all the things Akito did to everyone? I know she knew about Hatori and Kureno, but I can't remember about the others. But one of the main flaws Fruits Basket has overall is this overriding theme of forgiveness (and I love Fruits Basket, don't get me wrong). I know Akito had a traumatic childhood, her mom is a poor excuse of a mom too, I know. But I fail to see why she would act the exact same towards the zodiac when most of them have had traumatic childhoods too. I also know her dad gave her the impression that the zodiac live to love and worship her, but I just don't see how someone that selfish and close-minded was forgiven that quickly. I can accept her slowly being forgiven, but within one episode was too much. I'm glad Rin had a realistic reaction towards Akito being forgiven. But yeah, go off and rant here. Or argue with me, whichever, I'm open to changing my mind. Edit: It's annoying because it makes it seem as if her actions are justified and abusing someone is FINE and will all be forgiven so long as you have a very good reason. Trauma doesn't excuse us for behaving this way towards multiple people, no matter how deep it is. Have a terrible personality and be closed off, fine, but this is way too far. |
| No, she should be in prison for life. Do you guys not remember what she did to everyone. She literally caused extreme trauma and mental damage to the zodiacs for no reason. What her dad said isnt a justification, it's just an excuse. |
| No, which is why I really hate when anime try to make every character likeable. 90% of the series pain and drama was caused by her and the problem was solved with just her apologizing with zero repercussion. |
| She fully intended to sentence kyou in the cat den prison for the Rest of his life the moment he left Highschool. Like ayo your upbringing isn’t a good enough excuse anymore. After some time I believe only you choose how to act and thus only you are responsible for the dumb shit you do in the end. I’m not the forgiving type. Akito shouldn’t be forgiven. Traumatizing multiple people and burdening them with that trauma for the rest of their lives is dead ass unforgivable. But ey that’s where I stand. |
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| She’s the perfect example of a toxic person with a victim’s mentality. |
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| In my opinion yes. I honestly think she’s trying to change for the better. Of course I’m not excusing her actions. |
| Does Akito herself forgive her at the end of the series? No. The point of her character is that people can change and be better if given a chance. Akito does not want forgiveness, but she wants to earn redemption, start making amends, do things right how she thinks would be right instead of doing what the family enforces her to do to keep the bonds forced together. You are not supposed to forgive her as much as you're supposed to empathize with her situation and understand that she is trying her best to change and fix things in her life and in the Sohma family. Since she still is the head of the family, she can still help all of the Zodiacs through her power as the head of the family. |
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| Akito’s treatment is what made this series fall from grace for me. If you translate the actions she committed in real world, even aside from all her verbal and physical abuse, she attempted murder or caused actions that lead to serious injuries which could result in death on multiple occasions. A sane person would be shaken by lashing out in such evil manner just the first time and repent their actions. She literally stabbed a person, slit another one multiple times and pushed someone off multiple stories onto a rock. Do you think any sane person should say yes this can be overlooked? Yet, this is exactly what happened. Akito lives on fairly normally without the consequences of the crimes she committed. I have no problem with the show trying to draw sympathy for Akito based on her past or showing others forgive her to find closure and move on for their own sake. After all holding grudges is double edged sword. What absolutely disappointed me however was the lack of consequences for Akito. Even if someone had abusive childhood and trauma and end up becoming serial murderer, we can sympathise or pity them for the kind of life they led but we can’t deny all who they are, what they did, how they robbed people of their happiness, future etc. This handling of Akito made the series completely unrealistic to me. Which is a shame because there were a lot of questionable things in this series that I decided to be broad minded about and explore from the creator’s eyes, but I draw the line at passing off an actual criminal as functional member of society without any real price to pay or anything to lose to atone. |
makotoplz said: Rewatching S2 of Fruits Basket and I'd almost forgotten all the trauma Akito put the zodiac through, not to mention Tohru. I know she essentially lives happily ever after in the future, having a son and all with Shigure, but do you think she should be forgiven for everything she's done? When I think about what she's done.. - Psychologically traumatised Yuki - Physically harmed Rin, Kisa, Hatori, Tohru and Kureno, all because she was scared they were going to be taken away and was acting possessive of the zodiac (if I missed someone out, do add that on) And those are just ones that stick out to me, she's done a lot more. Her selfishness caused Hatori to become blind in one eye (idk if this was ever followed up) and led to Kana going crazy. And yes, Mayu and Hatori did get their happy ending, but this is still worth mentioning. She quite literally stabbed Kureno. Pushed Rin out a building. Hurt Kisa. No seriously, she put her hands on a whole child because of jealousy. When I think about all that, it makes me feel like there should have be an alternative ending. I love Tohru, she's an angel, I can't imagine her ever turning her back on anyone, but I wish she stood her ground here. Someone remind me whether she knew of all the things Akito did to everyone? I know she knew about Hatori and Kureno, but I can't remember about the others. But one of the main flaws Fruits Basket has overall is this overriding theme of forgiveness (and I love Fruits Basket, don't get me wrong). I know Akito had a traumatic childhood, her mom is a poor excuse of a mom too, I know. But I fail to see why she would act the exact same towards the zodiac when most of them have had traumatic childhoods too. I also know her dad gave her the impression that the zodiac live to love and worship her, but I just don't see how someone that selfish and close-minded was forgiven that quickly. I can accept her slowly being forgiven, but within one episode was too much. I'm glad Rin had a realistic reaction towards Akito being forgiven. But yeah, go off and rant here. Or argue with me, whichever, I'm open to changing my mind. Edit: It's annoying because it makes it seem as if her actions are justified and abusing someone is FINE and will all be forgiven so long as you have a very good reason. Trauma doesn't excuse us for behaving this way towards multiple people, no matter how deep it is. Have a terrible personality and be closed off, fine, but this is way too far. Finally someone is talking about it! I totally agree with you! I feel the last season was quite rushes, specially Akito's development. All of a sudden she has this "talk" with Tohru and suddenly decides to be a good person? Like who is Kamisama her? Akito or Thoru? Why on earth would u walk towards a person holding a knife?!?!And how come Tohru have solutions for everybodys sufferings/problems? I really LOVED the entire series, but the last bit about Akito was waay too rushed. Nobody talked about it except Isuzu. They just ignored her and all of the suffering, agony and mistreatment she put them through?!? how can they do that? She literally destroyed their childhoodđ˘ If they had shown a bit more of Akito's punishment or her struggle to come back as a new and better person, it would have been way better and more realistic. |
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| People treat Akito as if she were an adult the moment she was born. She was stripped of all the pleasures experienced by the normal human and didn't have anything to do at all. She had a pathetic childhood and her parents were terrible. Both of them. I used to hate Akito as well but when the show went more in depth u can see why she did wat she did. Her mental health was constantly deteriorating and she reached a point of insanity. |
| No. She should have been sent to the gallows. |
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| With nature vs nurture, I think both play a large role in a person's behavior. But still, even if parents spoil a child quite heavily, I don't think they will automatically turn into a monster unless they have some predisposition to it. There's no question: Akito was a completely evil child. People can change, but it's a slow and gradual process, and their personality won't completely change from one extreme to another, barring some serious brain injury like a tumor. I think, if a person changes a lot, it is due to some change in ideology which forces them to reevaluate their world view. But characteristics like viciousness and anger aren't really based in ideology, but are rather more instinctual, so I think it's really hard for that to change. Akito should not be forgiven because she's a monster and is not realistically going to change (despite the word of god). |
| It's a very good thing that I don't care for her either way since I'd be triggered by her mere existence. My vote: No. |
| No, but I don't see why she couldn't be given another chance. She didn't really commit genocide now, did she? |
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| As far as forgiveness from the Zodiac members, that's ultimately a choice for each of them. I don't deny Rin her decision to not forgive. It's easy for me to forgive her when Akito hasn't inflicted any suffering on me, but I honestly never disliked her. Even during the first season, I had a feeling that there would be more to Akito than simply being a cartoonish villain (and thank goodness there was). Ultimately, Fruits Basket shows how the Zodiac members & everyone around them were trapped in a larger cycle beyond any one person's control. Akito was as much a slave to centuries of expectation as the other members. But I think rather than simply forgiveness, what makes Akito's salvation so compelling is that it's through grace that she changes. An unconditional love & acceptance by Tohru, who offered her a bond free from fate or predetermination. |
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