[Anime Industry] A Thread on Anime Directors talking about an anime's production decisions, the limitations, and relations between the original Authors and the Anime Staff
A thread of anime directors talking about:
- why some anime never get a season 2
- why sometimes a sequel season takes a long time
- why many original anime have a rushed ending
- why more anime are split-cour nowdays
- the connection between the original author and anime staff
The main speaker is Yuu Aoki, as well as Hiroshi Nishikiori. They were talking on an App called Clubhouse, which is like a voice chat room.
Note that this was interpreted from Japanese into Chinese and then translated into English, so it might not be very accurate.
1. Aoki said that it takes at least 2 years from the planning to the broadcast of an anime.
Those well-known anime studios actually got a lot of projects on their hands, so nowadays it's the studios that have the right to choose which anime they want to make.
(But despite this, the animators and other staff still get little money, which is quite sad)
2. In fact, when planning, it's already decided whether an anime will have a season 2 or if it's split-cour.
But if it's the case that the anime is planned to be only 1 season at first but then it unexpectedly makes lots of money, so the production committee wants a season 2
by the same studio, they have to wait several years until the studio isn't occupied (a studio change otherwise).
Also in this case it would be very difficult to gather the original main staff that were disbanded after season 1, even if there's enough money/budget offered.
That's why some anime never got a sequel season.
Generally it won't be announced that how many seasons the anime will have (especially to ones that will actually have multiple seasons) in the publicity phase before broadcast, coz a sequel announcement after Season 1 can make viewers expectant again.
Also to avoid leaks, these info won't be revealed to the staff except some few core people.
Aoki also mentioned anime like Index, Railgun and Overload, which are very popular, but it took so long between 2 seasons.
In these cases, the production committee actually wanted to release the next season asap. But to keep the same quality
they also wanted to keep the same production team.
However, as mentioned above, and it sometimes takes a long time to make sure all the people in the team are available.
But if the anime has a lifespan (note: meaning the popularity would drop soon if there's no new season), and the production committee knows the viewers can't wait anymore, they will prioritize keeping the director and character designer and then find a new studio.
3. Then Aoki mentioned some original anime, which could've been much better if it's 2-cour but actually ended up rushing to the end in 1-cour. It's because the original anime can't take advantages of the original work's popularity.
Investing in making multiple cours without knowing if it could make money is a big gamble. Unless it's famous director and crew, the production committee won't take any risk like this.
4. why split-cour?
1) The highest profitability of an anime, as merchandise, only lasts for 3 months, and the production committee wants to make full use of the anime's publicity for twice by splitting it. 2) The schedule won't be too tight and the staff can take a break.
Hiroshi Nishikiori added that he, as the director of Index, really feels the same about the gap time between seasons. Also he said Railgun was planned to be 2 seasons at first.
For season 3, it's really just a case of waiting all the main staff to be available, but in the end there's still part of them had to be replaced, coz it's been too long and those who were newbies before are now veterans and it's more difficult to arrange those staff's schedule.
5. Someone asked how much power the original authors have to intervene in the anime production.
Aoki answered that the anime staff really don't want them to intervene too much coz the more they, as laymen, talk, the more the staff will have to follow their instructions.
Of course, there're cases where the staff and the author really respect each other and work together on the anime, but such are very rare.
Also for many authors, it's very rare to have the opportunity of their works getting animated, and it might even be the once in their lives, which could make them too enthusiastic to be rational about its production.
But to the staff, it's just part of their tons of work in general. They don't see it in the same way.
What's best for the author is to have a connection with the director and script writer so that his/her intentions/ideas can be properly conveyed to the staff to the maximum.
Aoki said there are 2 trends in anime industry, one is to consider the people on the original work's side as amateurs, and anime production should be left to professionals
and the other is to communicate with original author and add their own ideas in the anime as an anime creator on the basis of respecting the original work. He put himself in the latter one.
Nishikiori said he agreed with the latter one as well.
When making adapted anime, he thought it would be more interesting to express the core of the original in a way that only anime can do, rather than just copying, and he hoped that the viewers could understand.
And he often saw viewers complain like "I really like this part of manga/novel, why did the anime change it?" In fact, these changes were sometimes requested by the author, who also wanted to see something unique and different in anime.
i do not see a thread about this here so here you go if you find this infos interesting might as well share it around too
Thats not a bad idea, but doing it for all animes will be one heck of a task.
I am a useless student of society.
Tests are my body and Grades are my blood.
I have done over a thousand assignments.
Unseen by teachers,
nor done properly.
Yet, those hands shall never hold an outstanding grade.
So, as I pray...
Unlimited Homeworks.
l--_--l said: Thats not a bad idea, but doing it for all animes will be one heck of a task.
btw i did not make it clear enough the twitter thread already have all the answers on those questions
I figured you were talking about creation of such threads on mal
I am a useless student of society.
Tests are my body and Grades are my blood.
I have done over a thousand assignments.
Unseen by teachers,
nor done properly.
Yet, those hands shall never hold an outstanding grade.
So, as I pray...
Unlimited Homeworks.
mappa animated 2 minutes of titan fighting with cg when they could've hire more animators, and how come some random anime like Gleipnir had animated fights with no problem
mappa animated 2 minutes of titan fighting with cg when they could've hire more animators, and how come some random anime like Gleipnir had animated fights with no problem
Yabuta the director of the pre-animated PV of the Final Season says this
In Japanese anime industry, most animators are freelancers and rewards are paid for each cut. Few people have a contract with the studio.
Each year, over 200 anime titles are made. So the lack of animators is a big problem for all studios.
And there is no big difference in rewards depending on the title. (At least there is no difference to overturn the motivation of animators.) So animators often choose titles to be involved for reasons other than rewards.
deg said: A thread of anime directors talking about:
- why some anime never get a season 2
- why sometimes a sequel season takes a long time
- why many original anime have a rushed ending
- why more anime are split-cour nowdays
- the connection between the original author and anime staff
The main speaker is Yuu Aoki, as well as Hiroshi Nishikiori. They were talking on an App called Clubhouse, which is like a voice chat room.
Note that this was interpreted from Japanese into Chinese and then translated into English, so it might not be very accurate.
1. Aoki said that it takes at least 2 years from the planning to the broadcast of an anime.
Those well-known anime studios actually got a lot of projects on their hands, so nowadays it's the studios that have the right to choose which anime they want to make.
(But despite this, the animators and other staff still get little money, which is quite sad)
2. In fact, when planning, it's already decided whether an anime will have a season 2 or if it's split-cour.
But if it's the case that the anime is planned to be only 1 season at first but then it unexpectedly makes lots of money, so the production committee wants a season 2
by the same studio, they have to wait several years until the studio isn't occupied (a studio change otherwise).
Also in this case it would be very difficult to gather the original main staff that were disbanded after season 1, even if there's enough money/budget offered.
That's why some anime never got a sequel season.
Generally it won't be announced that how many seasons the anime will have (especially to ones that will actually have multiple seasons) in the publicity phase before broadcast, coz a sequel announcement after Season 1 can make viewers expectant again.
Also to avoid leaks, these info won't be revealed to the staff except some few core people.
Aoki also mentioned anime like Index, Railgun and Overload, which are very popular, but it took so long between 2 seasons.
In these cases, the production committee actually wanted to release the next season asap. But to keep the same quality
they also wanted to keep the same production team.
However, as mentioned above, and it sometimes takes a long time to make sure all the people in the team are available.
But if the anime has a lifespan (note: meaning the popularity would drop soon if there's no new season), and the production committee knows the viewers can't wait anymore, they will prioritize keeping the director and character designer and then find a new studio.
3. Then Aoki mentioned some original anime, which could've been much better if it's 2-cour but actually ended up rushing to the end in 1-cour. It's because the original anime can't take advantages of the original work's popularity.
Investing in making multiple cours without knowing if it could make money is a big gamble. Unless it's famous director and crew, the production committee won't take any risk like this.
4. why split-cour?
1) The highest profitability of an anime, as merchandise, only lasts for 3 months, and the production committee wants to make full use of the anime's publicity for twice by splitting it. 2) The schedule won't be too tight and the staff can take a break.
Hiroshi Nishikiori added that he, as the director of Index, really feels the same about the gap time between seasons. Also he said Railgun was planned to be 2 seasons at first.
For season 3, it's really just a case of waiting all the main staff to be available, but in the end there's still part of them had to be replaced, coz it's been too long and those who were newbies before are now veterans and it's more difficult to arrange those staff's schedule.
5. Someone asked how much power the original authors have to intervene in the anime production.
Aoki answered that the anime staff really don't want them to intervene too much coz the more they, as laymen, talk, the more the staff will have to follow their instructions.
Of course, there're cases where the staff and the author really respect each other and work together on the anime, but such are very rare.
Also for many authors, it's very rare to have the opportunity of their works getting animated, and it might even be the once in their lives, which could make them too enthusiastic to be rational about its production.
But to the staff, it's just part of their tons of work in general. They don't see it in the same way.
What's best for the author is to have a connection with the director and script writer so that his/her intentions/ideas can be properly conveyed to the staff to the maximum.
Aoki said there are 2 trends in anime industry, one is to consider the people on the original work's side as amateurs, and anime production should be left to professionals
and the other is to communicate with original author and add their own ideas in the anime as an anime creator on the basis of respecting the original work. He put himself in the latter one.
Nishikiori said he agreed with the latter one as well.
When making adapted anime, he thought it would be more interesting to express the core of the original in a way that only anime can do, rather than just copying, and he hoped that the viewers could understand.
And he often saw viewers complain like "I really like this part of manga/novel, why did the anime change it?" In fact, these changes were sometimes requested by the author, who also wanted to see something unique and different in anime.
i do not see a thread about this here so here you go if you find this infos interesting might as well share it around too
This was very informative. I often find myself asking questions like "What makes them wanna ruin a show?" Even though I knew that certain factors were involved, I did not know exactly what they were. This shed some light on a lot of it. Thanks man, and good job.
mappa animated 2 minutes of titan fighting with cg when they could've hire more animators, and how come some random anime like Gleipnir had animated fights with no problem
Time, I think? No matter how good the staff, they can't make it look good if they simply aren't given enough time. I've seen at places that MAPPA wanted another year to work on the show, but the production committee didn't allow it 'cause they wanted to air it during all the hype. Plus I think that bigger things are harder to animate, and there were also new and complex character designs and stuff....
And he often saw viewers complain like "I really like this part of manga/novel, why did the anime change it?" In fact, these changes were sometimes requested by the author, who also wanted to see something unique and different in anime.
yes I'm sure kamachi personally told Nishikiori to turn accel's second fight with touma into a fistfight that's impossible to have according to their powers and build.
Aoki said there are 2 trends in anime industry, one is to consider the people on the original work's side as amateurs, and anime production should be left to professionals
Q3 : Why do you use 3D?
A: Simple, because there's no one there to draw! A lot of content from the manga are beyond the existing manpower to work with! Animators who can draw and perform the character acting well is too rare. Even if you pay them a lot of money, there is a limit on human physical strength, and therefore amount of work that can be digested by a man has a constraint too. So it's not that we don't want to hand draw it, it's about using the provided resources efficiently and rationally by choosing which content to use with 3D or 2D. Drawing requires physical strength. The standard unit for animation is know as 'cut', and there may only be one frame for a cut, but there may also be hundreds frames for a cut. No matter how fast a person can draw, it is impossible to draw hundreds of frames in a short time. Yet, this can be done efficiently by using 3D, and then rendered it with 2D drawings or use digital program to correct the 3D designs. This way you can have both efficiency and quality done. So this is a very reasonable approach in current industry.
Q4 : Why not get 'X' to be the animator or 'Y' to be the director?
A: In Japanese industry, most of them are freelancers. They are not obliged to serve fully for a specific project, they often serve multiple projects and multiple companies. Therefore, everyone has their own schedule fixed for the works in contract. If that animator's schedule can't match for this work, regardless how big or grand this project is, it will be rejected. Because they only earn the money for the cuts they draw, or parts they in charge. Animators also need a living, it is impossible to give up all other projects just for one. Then they would really have no money to live. It is very realistic in this industry.
the same director for wicked city,ninja scroll and other adaptations made by the same author actually has a very close friendship and both have a great working relationship together.
Crow_Black said: the same director for wicked city,ninja scroll and other adaptations made by the same author actually has a very close friendship and both have a great working relationship together.
Kawajiri's a legend, but I don't see how he fits in the topic.
Because of the director/author relationship part?
Crow_Black said: the same director for wicked city,ninja scroll and other adaptations made by the same author actually has a very close friendship and both have a great working relationship together.
Kawajiri's a legend, but I don't see how he fits in the topic.
Because of the director/author relationship part?
Yeah thats the first thing that came to mind the director relationship part for me.
"Aoki also mentioned anime like Index, Railgun and Overload, which are very popular, but it took so long between 2 seasons.
In these cases, the production committee actually wanted to release the next season asap. But to keep the same quality
they also wanted to keep the same production team"