| EDIT: PLEASE READ THIS WHOLE POST BEFORE POSTING A REPLY. or else I'll destroy your statement with FACTS and LOGIC. Sorry if this end up being another trash tier loli talk, but I swear I'm trying to make a meaningful discussion. So from what I notice in this forum is that people who said that people who criticizes lolicons mostly only judges physicality. I mean, before we get started on this, I hope we're in agreement on what makes an adult doing real life kids is wrong. First, their physical body age isn't fully developed, which means it can cause physical damage to their bodies. Second, their mind isn't fully developed, which means they lack the capacity to consent to things without understanding the whole consequences of it and therefore can be easily turned to a subject of manipulation with unbalanced power dynamics. Simply put, they're gullible. For people who criticize its depiction in these 2D fiction however, the second point is almost always neglected. Best example, since it comes from the same series, are: I'll just drop other examples. Which one would you sus more? Oh, and we're not forgetting the Uzaki-chan controversy back then either as well. Except that 150 for Japanese adult is short but isn't impossible, and that Sakurai is considered tall for Japanese standards so they make a huge height gap. All in all, I'm just trying to say that people need to care about more than just character height, height, and HEIGHT. It's a terrible standard that assuming people who's into shorter females are automatically a pedophile. Also, midgets do exists. |
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| I wouldn't say that people don't care, more that Mental Development can't realistically be quantified in fictional characters, but appearance can. Obviously taking advantage of someone with an underdeveloped mind is just as bad, and presumably there are many real-world cases where it has occurred to people with mental impairments. But with fiction it's a bit more complicated. Did the author write them as childlike, or just stupid? They may have writ "mental age of 9," but if an psychologist examined the text might they find something different? And that's just if you are familiar with the media. If not, and someone were to show you two pictures, it's fairly obvious which you'd point to as being concern. So, you're right, but profiling a character by their fictive thoughts is a lot more effort than just looking at their body. And at any rate, most would agree that a young mind in an adult body is less weird than an adult mind in a young body. |
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| Being attracted to the personality isn't what people find sus. Being attracted to a body type, like that 29yo in your pic, is. But yes, you are right, it's mostly the outward appearances being discussed when it comes to anime. As for Irisviel, I believed the Fate Zero anime did not say anything about age. I watched it last year so maybe I'm not remembering correctly. (Also, shoot, I forgot to add Fate to my completed list). There's actually a trope about the situation of a child in an adult's body: Born Sexy Yesterday. |
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Eanki said: Well she's said to be first met Kiritsugu the moment she's completely cloned (as Homunculus in Fate are essentially a human clone combined with some alchemic process), and the Fate/Zero war took place 9 years afterwards. https://characterprofile.fandom.com/wiki/Irisviel_von_EinzbernBeing attracted to the personality isn't what people find sus. Being attracted to a body type, like that 29yo in your pic, is. But yes, you are right, it's mostly the outward appearances being discussed when it comes to anime. As for Irisviel, I believed the Fate Zero anime did not say anything about age. I watched it last year so maybe I'm not remembering correctly. (Also, shoot, I forgot to add Fate to my completed list). There's actually a trope about the situation of a child in an adult's body: Born Sexy Yesterday. Catalano said: I mean, you do you. nobody said that you should be attracted to the latter.I don't care what people say, I am attracted to Asuka and I don't feel a thing for Utage Douraku |
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| There is a massive difference between looks 12 years old and is 12 years old. There are women well into their 20s who look incredibly young. Just like there are 12 year olds who can pass for 18 years old. In the end there are lines drawn and they are based on age. You cant tell the 20 year old who looks 12 she cant have sex because she looks 12. Just like you cant say the 12 year old who looks 18 is free for all for the guys because she looks 18. And when it comes to fiction it doesnt really matter. It is fiction. The thing people generally wont tolerate in fiction is the depiction of under age children being sexually exploited so in anime they just change the age because that is where the line is drawn in the real world. Doesnt mean they cant make the 25 year old look 10. If you dont like it then dont watch because it wont go away. You need to discern between all of it and understand it is fiction. Most of the people bitching are bitching for bitchings sake. Anime rubs up against the lines with this stuff but generally never crosses it for a bunch of reasons. If you cant keep your dick in your pants over the thought underage girls thats your issue and if you cant discern between fiction and reality, also your issue. Most people dont have those issues. If people are into it I am glad they are using fiction to get through it rather than reality. |
-Ecliptix- said: Well kind of agreed with this. Honestly about the whole loli thing is that the actual people who are engaging in real life grooming may took cover under disguise of liking loli for me, and it makes sense that they'll try to blend to other crowd. The lolicons might be unintentionally shielding those people from criticism, while as for people who criticize the depiction of 2D fiction I think are over generalizing that all of them can't differentiate fiction and reality. But know that not only anime gets this kind of flak from them. The Joker movie back then for instance, also did get some as well. These people afraid that there will be people who will commit mass shootings due to the movie.There is a massive difference between looks 12 years old and is 12 years old. There are women well into their 20s who look incredibly young. Just like there are 12 year olds who can pass for 18 years old. In the end there are lines drawn and they are based on age. You cant tell the 20 year old who looks 12 she cant have sex because she looks 12. Just like you cant say the 12 year old who looks 18 is free for all for the guys because she looks 18. And when it comes to fiction it doesnt really matter. It is fiction. The thing people generally wont tolerate in fiction is the depiction of under age children being sexually exploited so in anime they just change the age because that is where the line is drawn in the real world. Doesnt mean they cant make the 25 year old look 10. If you dont like it then dont watch because it wont go away. You need to discern between all of it and understand it is fiction. Most of the people bitching are bitching for bitchings sake. Anime rubs up against the lines with this stuff but generally never crosses it for a bunch of reasons. If you cant keep your dick in your pants over the thought underage girls thats your issue and if you cant discern between fiction and reality, also your issue. Most people dont have those issues. If people are into it I am glad they are using fiction to get through it rather than reality. |
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Besotted said: I don't want to generalize like that, but what I take is that it seems that these kind of people are prevalent on twitter. I have seen people complained and trying to cancel people about everything even the most harmless of things.People that get all pissy over sexualised lolis are moral crusaders, they don't truly care about "protecting children", they just want good boy points. Of course they only care about appearance, maturity is an alien concept to them anyway - they have none. Anyways since you posted lobster daddy, I'm not sure what's his stance on this. |
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| I do have friends that enjoy immaturity, both of the mind and the body. I guess it's normal to be attracted to cuteness, and lolis have plenty of it. In my case, I was able to find cuteness in adult women, a kind of "mature cuteness". So... I'd say the loli thing is both mind and body, I don't really care about the body that much, but a mature mind is definitely better |
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Dangeon said: So things that you consider a loli must be in both mind and body, and that if only 1 criteria qualifies it isn't a loli? Okay.I do have friends that enjoy immaturity, both of the mind and the body. I guess it's normal to be attracted to cuteness, and lolis have plenty of it. In my case, I was able to find cuteness in adult women, a kind of "mature cuteness". So... I'd say the loli thing is both mind and body, I don't really care about the body that much, but a mature mind is definitely better |
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| So from what I read , you're trying to say that it isn't pedophilia if you're attracted to a 20 y/o who looks like a child if she is mentally mature like an adult . Correct ? Fuck this loli shit man , I'm fed up with this . I just saw people on reddit today talking shit of people who say " Its just a drawing " when in MAL and even on reddit sometimes you find people unironically thinking that . I don't care about what others think but If you're sexually attracted to Utage Douraku in any way ( or any girl with body proportions similar to her ) , you're a pedophile in my eyes . Thats it . Idc if she is mEnTalLy maTuRe . Her body proportions aren't realistic in any way . She just looks like a 10 y/o . |
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shingojira-san said: More of criticizing the double standards of people criticizing others who are attracted to "a 20 y/o who looks like a child if she is mentally mature like an adult" but not criticizing people who are into "a 10 y/o who looks like an adult and she's mentally a 10 y/o."So from what I read , you're trying to say that it isn't pedophilia if you're attracted to a 20 y/o who looks like a child if she is mentally mature like an adult . Correct ? Fuck this loli shit man , I'm fed up with this . I just saw people on reddit today talking shit of people who say " Its just a drawing " when in MAL and even on reddit sometimes you find people unironically thinking that . I don't care about what others think but If you're sexually attracted to Utage Douraku in any way ( or any girl with body proportions similar to her ) , you're a pedophile in my eyes . Thats it . Idc if she is mEnTalLy maTuRe . Also about the thing you just said, basically you're saying that liking midgets is creepy and that midgets should stay single forever? BlakexEkalb said: I guess that's your definition then (as well as the official definition for most people I guess).Desolated said: So things that you consider a loli must be in both mind and body, and that if only 1 criteria qualifies it isn't a loli? Okay. Loli is if their body looks younger. |
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| I see the state of MAL forums has ascended descended to pedo shit lately. People should stop misusing words and try to have their facts checked before engaging in an one-sided humiliation. shingojira-san said: I don't care about what others think but If you're sexually attracted to Utage Douraku in any way ( or any girl with body proportions similar to her ) , you're a pedophile in my eyes . Thats it . Idc if she is mEnTalLy maTuRe . Her body proportions aren't realistic in any way . She just looks like a 10 y/o . Oh no, poor real life girls of over 20 that are flat and petite, they won't be able to engage in a relationship because it's creepy. So what? does that mean underage girls that looks older than they are is correct then? Nice logic. |
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shingojira-san said: ugh you keep editing your post so I'll point this out. So you don't think people who's attracted to Asuka or Irisviel sus? That's excactly the double standards I'm calling out. I personally believe that rather than censoring the fiction, we need a proper education about things like this, why it's wrong whatsoever. Utage Douraku sensei isn't sexualized at all in the anime though.So from what I read , you're trying to say that it isn't pedophilia if you're attracted to a 20 y/o who looks like a child if she is mentally mature like an adult . Correct ? Fuck this loli shit man , I'm fed up with this . I just saw people on reddit today talking shit of people who say " Its just a drawing " when in MAL and even on reddit sometimes you find people unironically thinking that . I don't care about what others think but If you're sexually attracted to Utage Douraku in any way ( or any girl with body proportions similar to her ) , you're a pedophile in my eyes . Thats it . Idc if she is mEnTalLy maTuRe . Her body proportions aren't realistic in any way . She just looks like a 10 y/o . TheFireNinja said: I bolded this one because it's what resonate with what I think the most. Sadly lime what I said above, either some actual sus people can hide under lolicon umbrella or that some people can't differentiate fiction and reality, and those people (especially the latter because its like the polar opposite of my personality) is what I lament.The fact of the matter is no one really pays attention to the age of a character since it's fiction. Most people turn off their brains to what's depicted since it's separate from the world we live in. Of course, I don't condone being attracted to children in anime or in real-life. But in reality, the physicality of characters can be manipulated so much that that a character's age and build can differ from what most people consider a child or an adult. It all comes down to ones perspective. As long as people are cognizant of what separates a child from an adult in real-life, that's all that matters. No harm can be done to anime characters since they're all the work of someone's imagination. |
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Desolated said: shingojira-san said: More of criticizing the double standards of people criticizing others who are attracted to "a 20 y/o who looks like a child if she is mentally mature like an adult" but not criticizing people who are into "a 10 y/o who looks like an adult and she's mentally a 10 y/o."So from what I read , you're trying to say that it isn't pedophilia if you're attracted to a 20 y/o who looks like a child if she is mentally mature like an adult . Correct ? Fuck this loli shit man , I'm fed up with this . I just saw people on reddit today talking shit of people who say " Its just a drawing " when in MAL and even on reddit sometimes you find people unironically thinking that . I don't care about what others think but If you're sexually attracted to Utage Douraku in any way ( or any girl with body proportions similar to her ) , you're a pedophile in my eyes . Thats it . Idc if she is mEnTalLy maTuRe . Also about the thing you just said, basically you're saying that liking midgets is creepy and that midgets should stay single forever? I guess that's your definition then (as well as the official definition for most people I guess). You see when I see Utage Douraku I don't go " Thats a 20 y/o girl who just looks really short " . I go " Thats a 10 y/o kid " . If you showed me Asuka and told that she is a 20 y/o lady who is just kinda short for her age I will definitely believe and think the same way . |
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| Why is this forum obsessed with loli's and rape all of a sudden? This stuff doesn't look good on my history. |
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shingojira-san said: so you're basically saying that mental age of the character doesnt matter and first impression of the design (which again, physicality), is all that's in it? Ok then, you're definitely the person I meant about in this thread. I'm calling out the shallowness and/or hypocrisy of it. Desolated said: More of criticizing the double standards of people criticizing others who are attracted to "a 20 y/o who looks like a child if she is mentally mature like an adult" but not criticizing people who are into "a 10 y/o who looks like an adult and she's mentally a 10 y/o." Also about the thing you just said, basically you're saying that liking midgets is creepy and that midgets should stay single forever? I guess that's your definition then (as well as the official definition for most people I guess). You see when I see Utage Douraku I don't go " Thats a 20 y/o girl who just looks really short " . I go " Thats a 10 y/o kid " . If you showed me Asuka and told that she is a 20 y/o lady who is just kinda short for her age I will definitely believe and think the same way . LightWorker said: Because even with big fat voluptuous round anime tiddies, if the character is short enough, apparently some people will call them a loli and liking them should be illegal for them. The example being Uzaki-chan I mentioned above. 20, mentally just about her age though she can be rather pushy, already have secondary sexual characterisics developed, but still a "loli" for some people for being 150cm.Why "heights" exactly? Is there exceptionally tall Lolis out there? o.o  |
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Desolated said: Hmm is it okay to be attracted to a 13 y/o IRL if that kid is mature enough ? You might think that a 13 y/o kid will never be be mature enough IRL normally . Thats the same thing here . When I see a character with the body type of a child I will only think that she is as mature as a chilld in my perspective . But if you like a character for her personality and call her your waifu for that its fine . Its isn't okay at least in my eyes when you sexually get attracted to her . Then again , anime is very unrealistic . It all comes down how you view it . shingojira-san said: so you're basically saying that mental age of the character doesnt matter and first impression of the design (which again, physicality), is all that's in it? Ok then, you're definitely the person I meant about in this thread. I'm calling out the shallowness and/or hypocrisy of it.You see when I see Utage Douraku I don't go " Thats a 20 y/o girl who just looks really short " . I go " Thats a 10 y/o kid " . If you showed me Asuka and told that she is a 20 y/o lady who is just kinda short for her age I will definitely believe and think the same way . LightWorker said: Because even with big fat voluptuous round anime tiddies, if the character is short enough, apparently some people will call them a loli and liking them should be illegal for them. The example being Uzaki-chan I mentioned above.Why "heights" exactly? Is there exceptionally tall Lolis out there? o.o |
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shingojira-san said: So you decide to dodge my question about the hypocrisy of the opposite of it getting far less repercussion? Oh well, it can't be helped.Desolated said: Hmm is it okay to be attracted to a 13 y/o IRL if that kid is mature enough ? You might think that a 13 y/o kid will never be be mature enough IRL normally . Thats the same thing here . When I see a character with the body type of a child I will only think that she is as mature as a chilld in my perspective . But if you like a character for her personality and call her your waifu for that its fine . Its isn't okay at least in my eyes when you sexually get attracted to her . Then again , anime is very unrealistic . It all comes down how you view it . so you're basically saying that mental age of the character doesnt matter and first impression of the design (which again, physicality), is all that's in it? Ok then, you're definitely the person I meant about in this thread. I'm calling out the shallowness and/or hypocrisy of it. Because even with big fat voluptuous round anime tiddies, if the character is short enough, apparently some people will call them a loli and liking them should be illegal for them. The example being Uzaki-chan I mentioned above. My stance is either both okay or both not okay. I'm personally leaning towards both won't cause harm and therefore okay, but only for people who can distinguish reality and fiction and not impressioable. But s lot of people fail to fit into that, so if others unanimously decided both not okay, I'll just go along. |
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Desolated said: shingojira-san said: So you decide to dodge my question about the hypocrisy of the opposite of it getting far less repercussion? Oh well, it can't be helped.Hmm is it okay to be attracted to a 13 y/o IRL if that kid is mature enough ? You might think that a 13 y/o kid will never be be mature enough IRL normally . Thats the same thing here . When I see a character with the body type of a child I will only think that she is as mature as a chilld in my perspective . But if you like a character for her personality and call her your waifu for that its fine . Its isn't okay at least in my eyes when you sexually get attracted to her . Then again , anime is very unrealistic . It all comes down how you view it . My stance is either both okay or both not okay. I'm personally leaning towards both won't cause harm and therefore okay, but only for people who can distinguish reality and fiction and not impressioable. But s lot of people fail to fit into that, so if others unanimously decided both not okay, I'll just go along. My bad I misinterpreted what you said . As I said earlier , If you're attracted to her by her personality it doesn't matter if she looks 10 or 25 . If I've seen the Fate anime I and most people would probably understand as well . The thing is I haven't watched that anime , thus Idk her personality or her mental level . So to me if a character looks like a child I would most probably think she is mentally a child as well . But you say that she doesn't even look like a child and that she is actually a midget . At the end of the day as TheFireNinja said , as long as people are cognizant of what separates a child from an adult in real-life, that's all that matters . P.S. Gonna sleep for 8 hrs so don't expect any replies |
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shingojira-san said: I see. Fair enough I guess.Desolated said: So you decide to dodge my question about the hypocrisy of the opposite of it getting far less repercussion? Oh well, it can't be helped. My stance is either both okay or both not okay. I'm personally leaning towards both won't cause harm and therefore okay, but only for people who can distinguish reality and fiction and not impressioable. But s lot of people fail to fit into that, so if others unanimously decided both not okay, I'll just go along. My bad I misinterpreted what you said . As I said earlier , If you're attracted to her by her personality it doesn't matter if she looks 10 or 25 . If I've seen the Fate anime I and most people would probably understand as well . The thing is I haven't watched that anime , thus Idk her personality or her mental level . So to me if a character looks like a child I would most probably think she is mentally a child as well . But you say that she doesn't even look like a child and that she is actually a midget . At the end of the day as TheFireNinja said , as long as people are cognizant of what separates a child from an adult in real-life, that's all that matters . P.S. Gonna sleep for 8 hrs so don't expect any replies Was rather confused with your replies back then apparently you misinterpret it. |
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exquisiteWig said: Why is this forum obsessed with loli's and rape all of a sudden? This stuff doesn't look good on my history. IKR? Literally all I keep seeing in forums is people from both sides of the loli debate/rape debate/controversy debate making threads about the same thing over and over and over again. Oh, and don't forget the morality threads either. On both sides it's annoying and should just be stopped. Especially the people making threads to whine about SJWS snowflakes ruining their anime and then making 1386893282 threads being a snowflake because people aren't supporting their newest favorite anime's loli content or rape content. It's hard to believe some people on this site doing this are in their mid 20s which how juvenile they act. |
OsumareFeb 5, 2021 3:08 PM
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| Taking advantage of someone whose mental and physical age is below consent is obviously bad enough. 14-year-old girls can have very mature bodies or think that they're very 'mature', but the appearance or heightened sense of maturity that some kids believe they have isn't the thing that makes it okay, it's the age itself. If someone is 18+ and looks like a loli, then it depends on why they sexualise them: if it's because they look like a little girl then that's their own fault and they just indirectly admitted that they'd be sexual with underaged teens if it were legal. The girl could be 13 with a young girl's body and they'd still be as attracted to them and attempt to pursue them if there was no chance of getting caught. A lot of creeps will go for more visually young yet legal women to avoid consequences. |
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| I haven't been keeping up with seasonals so can someone tell me what's up with all these threads recently, I'm even seeing the same shit on other websites too. |
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shingojira-san said: So from what I read , you're trying to say that it isn't pedophilia if you're attracted to a 20 y/o who looks like a child if she is mentally mature like an adult . Correct ? Fuck this loli shit man , I'm fed up with this . I just saw people on reddit today talking shit of people who say " Its just a drawing " when in MAL and even on reddit sometimes you find people unironically thinking that . I don't care about what others think but If you're sexually attracted to Utage Douraku in any way ( or any girl with body proportions similar to her ) , you're a pedophile in my eyes . Thats it . Idc if she is mEnTalLy maTuRe . Her body proportions aren't realistic in any way . She just looks like a 10 y/o . Finally someone who talks some sense. People just need to accept what they're trying to like is disgusting outside the anime community (and sometimes within). No amount of paragraphs of explanations will convince others and there's no other way around it lmao. |
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Osumare said: exquisiteWig said: Why is this forum obsessed with loli's and rape all of a sudden? This stuff doesn't look good on my history. IKR? Literally all I keep seeing in forums is people from both sides of the loli debate/rape debate/controversy debate making threads about the same thing over and over and over again. Oh, and don't forget the morality threads either. On both sides it's annoying and should just be stopped. Especially the people making threads to whine about SJWS snowflakes ruining their anime and then making 1386893282 threads being a snowflake because people aren't supporting their newest favorite anime's loli content or rape content. It's hard to believe some people on this site doing this are in their mid 20s which how juvenile they act. VsauceDealer said: can you stop making these pedo loli threads already ? my god there are so many of them lately, pls stop lajz said: who cares anymore. in the end if u like this shit and it affects you in real life, that's on you SoulResonanceMAL said: Do you guys even read my thread? WTF. Read the thread please before throwing some random replies.Honestly, this type of conversation has gone on long enough and its tiring explaining to the ignorant masses nowadays so I personally say this - If you want to believe liking anime girls or anime lolis is just as bad as like the real-life counterparts then, by all means, believe it, I can not stop you... but do not bring your ideology over to me and try and convince me that my views on the matter are wrong because I won't discuss it... I'll just slap you silly and walk away. Bunille said: Well I guess thhis is a pretty fair point as well.Taking advantage of someone whose mental and physical age is below consent is obviously bad enough. 14-year-old girls can have very mature bodies or think that they're very 'mature', but the appearance or heightened sense of maturity that some kids believe they have isn't the thing that makes it okay, it's the age itself. If someone is 18+ and looks like a loli, then it depends on why they sexualise them: if it's because they look like a little girl then that's their own fault and they just indirectly admitted that they'd be sexual with underaged teens if it were legal. The girl could be 13 with a young girl's body and they'd still be as attracted to them and attempt to pursue them if there was no chance of getting caught. A lot of creeps will go for more visually young yet legal women to avoid consequences. |
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SoulResonanceMAL said: So it has to be underage? I mean, Utage's canonical age is 29 and you know it, but you consider her a loli? you're contradicting yourself here. If it's just child like appearance then sure.You know what? I deserve that I should have read your forum a little more, I was not aiming the comment directly at you but a lot of people have been posting about this kind of subject whether they are on the "Legal age counts for everyone" or the "It's just a fictional character" side and I just feel tired of seeing it. Honestly, I think people need to look up the definition of a "Loli" because the word is being poorly used when describing characters... the TRUE meaning of a Loli is a "A underage female character with child like appearance or a woman of age who has a child-like appearance or dresses as such" which means someone like Asuka isn't a Loli but someone like Utage is despite being twice the age of Miss Langley. |
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UberBat said: You mean like, Amewarashi? or Perona?Has me wondering where are the actual women wearing loli at in anime? Like a tall clearly womanly figure wearing a large frilly dress above their knees  Sgt-BaitMan008 said: Desolated said: Sorry if this end up being another trash tier loli talk, but I swear I'm trying to make a meaningful discussion. So from what I notice in this forum is that people who said that people who criticizes lolicons mostly only judges physicality. I mean, before we get started on this, I hope we're in agreement on what makes an adult doing real life kids is wrong. First, their physical body age isn't fully developed, which means it can cause physical damage to their bodies. Second, their mind isn't fully developed, which means they lack the capacity to consent to things without understanding the whole consequences of it and therefore can be easily turned to a subject of manipulation with unbalanced power dynamics. Simply put, they're gullible. For people who criticize its depiction in these 2D fiction however, the second point is almost always neglected. Best example, since it comes from the same series, are: I'll just drop other examples. Which one would you sus more? Oh, and we're not forgetting the Uzaki-chan controversy back then either as well. Except that 150 for Japanese adult is short but isn't impossible, and that Sakurai is considered tall for Japanese standards so they make a huge height gap. All in all, I'm just trying to say that people need to care about more than just character height, height, and HEIGHT. It's a terrible standard that assuming people who's into shorter females are automatically a pedophile. Also, midgets do exists. And you're right having a waifu that doesn't even exist? And why are you trying to be moral here? Go out there and do it in your bloody life. I'm questioning the double standards of the "anti-loli brigade™" morality. |
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| If a 3000 year old dragon loli acts like they're 13, it's really hard using their 3000 year old age as a gauge for how acceptable it is to sexualize them since they're at the mental capacity of someone who, in real life, would be unacceptable to do anything to. It doesn't work nearly as well of an excuse as someone like Douraku since her mental capacity makes sense with her age, Douraku is physically loli but literally everything else about her is believably in line with her age. Like, I know it's fucking pointless arguing about the lolicon phenomenon being disgusting, we've all picked our side and none of us are budging, so I've already given up on that, but can we at least agree that sexualizing a 100 year old girl who acts and thinks like a 13 year old is the same as sexualizing a 13 year old loli? I don't understand the lolicons who will say "no it's different, see she looks 13 but she's actually 100", but then they'd still defend the idea if she was specifically 13, so why even make that argument in the first place? |
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| I think it all depends on what you find attractive in said character. Is it body, personality? What is the mental maturity? The age is a stamp the creators give, these factors are what matters in fiction. Only you know that and you can say whatever you want independently of what you actually think. So long story short, these threads are pointless and should stop. |
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OnionKnightRises said: Well yes, I believe that canonical age doesn't mean much when it comes to anime, since it can't be an indicator of mental maturity at all, while in real life, although adult who acts like a kid do exists, for the most part it can still be an indicator.If a 3000 year old dragon loli acts like they're 13, it's really hard using their 3000 year old age as a gauge for how acceptable it is to sexualize them since they're at the mental capacity of someone who, in real life, would be unacceptable to do anything to. It doesn't work nearly as well of an excuse as someone like Douraku since her mental capacity makes sense with her age, Douraku is physically loli but literally everything else about her is believably in line with her age. Like, I know it's fucking pointless arguing about the lolicon phenomenon being disgusting, we've all picked our side and none of us are budging, so I've already given up on that, but can we at least agree that sexualizing a 100 year old girl who acts and thinks like a 13 year old is the same as sexualizing a 13 year old loli? I don't understand the lolicons who will say "no it's different, see she looks 13 but she's actually 100", but then they'd still defend the idea if she was specifically 13, so why even make that argument in the first place? Kanedgy_ said: Agreed, but yeah, it's kind of hard to know what aspects of a character that each indivdual who likes them like.I think it all depends on what you find attractive in said character. Is it body, personality? What is the mental maturity? The age is a stamp the creators give, these factors are what matters in fiction. Only you know that and you can say whatever you want independently of what you actually think. So long story short, these threads are pointless and should stop. VsauceDealer said: You're keep making fool of yourself here.Desolated said: Do you guys even read my thread? WTF. Read the thread please before throwing some random replies. Well I guess thhis is a pretty fair point as well. I did read it and I disagree with all that you have said, if it looks like a child its pedophilia In nowhere in my thread did I mention whether if a person attracted to a character that looks like a child is a pedophile or not. What I'm saying is people like you, who are condemning people who are attracted to a character that looks like a child for being a pedophile, but never condemn people who are attracted to a character that has the mental maturity of a child, are a fucking hypocrite. Because all you cares are physicality, especially heights, since even a character like Uzaki-chan for some of you guys "looks like a child". This is a solid proof that you didn't read my post at all, smh. SoulResonanceMAL said: So basically the canonical age doesn't matter for you, and what defines a loli or not is solely the "child like appearance", right? Okay.Desolated said: So it has to be underage? I mean, Utage's canonical age is 29 and you know it, but you consider her a loli? you're contradicting yourself here. If it's just child like appearance then sure. No as I said its either a underage girl with child like appearance or a woman of age (over 18) who also has a child like appearance like Utage. Asuka might be underage but I wouldn't call her look "child like" |
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Desolated said: Osumare said: IKR? Literally all I keep seeing in forums is people from both sides of the loli debate/rape debate/controversy debate making threads about the same thing over and over and over again. Oh, and don't forget the morality threads either. On both sides it's annoying and should just be stopped. Especially the people making threads to whine about SJWS snowflakes ruining their anime and then making 1386893282 threads being a snowflake because people aren't supporting their newest favorite anime's loli content or rape content. It's hard to believe some people on this site doing this are in their mid 20s which how juvenile they act. VsauceDealer said: can you stop making these pedo loli threads already ? my god there are so many of them lately, pls stop lajz said: who cares anymore. in the end if u like this shit and it affects you in real life, that's on you SoulResonanceMAL said: Do you guys even read my thread? WTF. Read the thread please before throwing some random replies.Honestly, this type of conversation has gone on long enough and its tiring explaining to the ignorant masses nowadays so I personally say this - If you want to believe liking anime girls or anime lolis is just as bad as like the real-life counterparts then, by all means, believe it, I can not stop you... but do not bring your ideology over to me and try and convince me that my views on the matter are wrong because I won't discuss it... I'll just slap you silly and walk away. Bunille said: Well I guess thhis is a pretty fair point as well.Taking advantage of someone whose mental and physical age is below consent is obviously bad enough. 14-year-old girls can have very mature bodies or think that they're very 'mature', but the appearance or heightened sense of maturity that some kids believe they have isn't the thing that makes it okay, it's the age itself. If someone is 18+ and looks like a loli, then it depends on why they sexualise them: if it's because they look like a little girl then that's their own fault and they just indirectly admitted that they'd be sexual with underaged teens if it were legal. The girl could be 13 with a young girl's body and they'd still be as attracted to them and attempt to pursue them if there was no chance of getting caught. A lot of creeps will go for more visually young yet legal women to avoid consequences. Um no, I and several others did read your thread. For me personally it's just ridiculous how many threads are on the whole loli shit the past few days, both from people for lolis and against lolis or from people defending lolicons or debunking accusations towards lolicons or whatever. It's also annoying with the sudden rape and morality threads as well. Like damn. And every time it seems it's about to die down, threads like yours come up which fuels the fire more and more and prevents this whole fiasco to just shut up already. |
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SoulResonanceMAL said: I mean, I myself for the most part think so too. I just kind of want to make it more concise.Desolated said: So basically the canonical age doesn't matter for you, and what defines a loli or not is solely the "child-like appearance", right? Okay. The age of a fictional character does not matter to me no, an age that says the same for over 20+ years is not a real age to me in the first place. And I am only telling you what the true definition of "Loli" is... I am sorry it doesn't fit your narrative as you would like then I don't know what to say - I merely thought it was good to educate those who do not fully understand what it is. Osumare said: So basically you don't care about the content of what I said, but since it's about loli, you assume that it's just the same 310235th loli thread without adding anything meaningful to the discourse?Desolated said: Do you guys even read my thread? WTF. Read the thread please before throwing some random replies. Well I guess thhis is a pretty fair point as well. Um no, I and several others did read your thread. For me personally it's just ridiculous how many threads are on the whole loli shit the past few days, both from people for lolis and against lolis or from people defending lolicons or debunking accusations towards lolicons or whatever. It's also annoying with the sudden rape and morality threads as well. Like damn. And every time it seems it's about to die down, threads like yours come up which fuels the fire more and more and prevents this whole fiasco to just shut up already. |
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| The problem in OP's argument is the assumption that people criticize lolis because of their height when the truth is because they look like children. Have you seen a midget in real life? They look really old for their age and look nothing like those lolis anime fans like to lewd about. |
Desolated said: SoulResonanceMAL said: I mean, I myself for the most part think so too. I just kind of want to make it more concise.The age of a fictional character does not matter to me no, an age that says the same for over 20+ years is not a real age to me in the first place. And I am only telling you what the true definition of "Loli" is... I am sorry it doesn't fit your narrative as you would like then I don't know what to say - I merely thought it was good to educate those who do not fully understand what it is. I just do not understand why so many out there are obsessed with the age of Anime characters nowadays... I mean those who do will also throw that side if it doesn't suit their narrative anymore. Like with Uzaki, for example, they completely ignore her age (20) and go with the "she likes like a child" argument (which she doesn't) so even they do not fully agree with the age thing as well you know? End of the day, Anime is Anime and no one is getting hurt or bothered by who someone else likes... There is no point worrying about Ages since some adults look like kids, some kids look like adults, you have mythical creatures who may be way older or younger than they look and everything else in between. If you want to see what I mean - Ill post 4 images and you tell me who is oldest? |
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