Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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| After to read this episode in the Light Novel, and see Subaru having to deal again with aspects of contracts and vows, it made me think that he could long ago made people around be more comprehensive about his condition if he just had said: - I'm under a contract that forbids me to reveal anything, but i can tell about some things that are going to happen in the future. And he CAN reveal this extent, because he already did (for example to arrange the aliance aggainst the Whale), but just as last resource and using a weak excuse, when EVERYBODY in Lugunica is blood tired to know that this kind of "silence vow" in contract is very usual. If you trace back all what the plot permited Subaru to reveal about himself, you will find that he could even reveal that: - Sometimes he can tell what is going to happens in future. - The reason is under a silence curse. - This terms was imposed by Satella. |
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| If Echidna knows his ability from the start... I wonder if Beatrice knows as well. That rabbit scene... what was that about, I feel like its a LN insert but can't be sure. Also I think Subaru just lost a friend by memory. Hopefully we get to see the scene once more but without him being killed off. |
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gappasaurus said: Is it wrong that the whole time Subaru was i couldn’t stop laughing, because all i could think of was The Beast of Caerbannog 😄 I definitely thought of Monty Python right away too. Guess a carnivorous rabbit is just that comical. Anyways, step aside Emilia, Echidna is an absolute babe and definitively best waifu now. |
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Araphaenon said: Oh maybe I should've worded that better. What I meant was there was a explaination at the LN but shortened in the Anime to that rabbit scene :)KanoValentine said: That rabbit scene... what was that about, I feel like its a LN insert but can't be sure. Without knowing what you mean by "LN insert" I can't say for certain, but I don't think it is whatever you meant by it. ;) I mean, the scene is from the LN just the same as everything else, seeing as that's what the anime is adapting. |
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gappasaurus said: rabbit's not a rodent though lmaottcchen said: which is... very scary? It’s the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on! It’s got a viscious streak a mile wide! He’s a killer! Look at the bones! 😆 |
KanoValentine said: If Echidna knows his ability from the start... I wonder if Beatrice knows as well. Interesting that in the Light Novel, in the same scene of this episode, Subaru realized that she just had read his memories (and you can say, after the very moment that he entered the Sanctuary for the 1st time), and that way she discovered that he died dozen times before. You can read this passage here, in another thread. But before he came to the Sanctuary, the Ghost Witch could not know about it, coudn't even know who Subaru is. Beatrice on other had, she have the "premonitory Gospel of Truth". So we can say, right now (it is not a spoiler) that she and Roswaal maybe can't realize that Subaru performance time-loops by death, but they know that somehow Subaru will be able to accomplish some feats. Also I think Subaru just lost a friend by memory. Hopefully we get to see the scene once more but without him being killed off. I doubt of it, but for sure Subaru from now on will care about Otto. It is not the 1st time that nice moments of friendship or affection was lost in the "failed" timelines. - If Emilia could recover the "memories" of the good times she had with Subaru, they could be married already. Subaru also lose great "trust building" moments with Betty, but something is telling me that the foreshadowed "I am that Person" will replace all that with huge bonus. KanoValentine said: Oh maybe I should've worded that better. What I meant was there was a explaination at the LN but shortened in the Anime to that rabbit scene :) Ah not really, maybe in the next events (i just read the LN until the point revealed by the anime episodes, after watch it). The apparition of the Piranha-Rabbits was as random and unexplained was we watched. |
Rob7Aug 27, 2020 7:07 PM
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Rob7 said: Roswaal maybe can't realize that Subaru performance time-loops by death, but they know that somehow Subaru will be able to accomplish some feats. When Roswal said that he isn't an enemy that makes it more suspicious. We still don't know his end goal and him just telling Subaru that Beatrice has a contract gives me the major "hmm". It is not the 1st time that nice moments of friendship or affection was lost in the "failed" timelines. Yeah... I got flash backs to Season 1 when Julius have to kill Subaru when he got possessed but I think Otto would still befriend Subaru regardless its more of Otto remembering that he declared his friendship to Subaru. |
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| The rabbits scene, I wasn't able to watch it, I liked because if as supposed to be disturbing, and it definetly did the work. Had to take off the headphones and look away. Also Echidna confirms even more waifu of the year. |
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| Btw, in the Light Novel we can see a very detailed description of how being eaten by Demon-Rabbitos was the most painfull death of Subaru so far: Open the spoiler tag above, read the Light Novel, and have a good breakfast / meal today my dear MAL fellows. ;) At this point, i, we, everybody should respect our best kiddo Basuru. He has already more than enough of reasons for an incurable PTSD mental disease, and even so he is keeping his mind (with some help, sure, but not much). A normal person would need intense therapy and even so would be unable to leave the pitty state. |
Rob7Aug 27, 2020 7:25 PM
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| I know this is anime, but no human being could go through so much trauma and keep at it, that was probably the worse death yet for Subaru. It was nice finally seeing him telling someone about his death reset, hopefully we get closer to the truth. |
| So far, this is the best episode of the season i've watched, it quite terrifying at the moment, and touchy in the end. Well i can relate Subaru's feeling since he can't tell anything about his Curse and all of the death event he experienced. i love the scene where Echidna blushed and got bit red on her face, its so cute tho hahaha the last scene very emotional to me.  |
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~foreshadowing in Ep. 2~ "Nah, Garfiel is just a good pal". --- Btw, next time Subaru meet a neutral or even a bit friendly acquaintance, who is powerfull enough to kill him, he should ASAP: - Hey, know this perfum? It is my WITCH SCENT, yes, i have a terrible MIASMA from the Witch of Envy, i can explain, ask Roswaal, ask Emilia, ask anyone BUT PLEASE DONT THINK IN KILL ME OR KILL MY FRIENDS WITHOUT TO UNDERSTAND OKAY!?" Please! |
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Image that precede unfortunate event. |
| I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. |
| That scene was pretty fucking gory lol He stayed alive for longer than I expected |
| loved this episode, especially the ending. i hope subaru will eventually find peace in the calamity he calls his life |
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vangoz said: One thing I hate about characters of this series is how easy they change from a normal friendly character to cold indiscriminate murderer for no reason, just like Garfiel here and Rem + Puck in S1. Garfiel doesn't even have any good reason to kill Otto and the villagers. It's causing trust issues. How do you even live in a world full of people who goofed around with you yesterday and kill you today? I'm amazed there are adults in that world. Exactly. Lugunica is a really terrible place. Maybe because the war, the tension between the races, the excess of dangerous people, beings and monsters, i guess it all disturbs the harmony of the people even worse than happens in USA (lol) Not only Garfiel, Rem and Puck turn from nice budies to merciless killers. - Ram, when Rem died in S1: "Subaru, i know you was invited by Emilia-sama and saved her life,and i and my deceased sister even helped you to overcome the trauma in your sleep last night... BUT, can you explain what happ.... KNOW WHAT!? AIR HUMA! DIE ALREADY! Or Roswaal in the same episode: Beatrice, i know everything above and that you are being rational trying to explain, but, let's fight, now that my Ram wants to kill him, i just can follow it. BOOM! For the God's Sake, i guess only Emilia is somebody who would mind a bit before brainless decide to kill some friendly acquaintance, at least today, NOWADAY at least! Now, i start to give a bit of reason for that Regulus Archbishop. He just wanted to talk, Crusch. |
Rob7Aug 27, 2020 9:42 PM
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| Wow, I changed my mind, Echidna best girl. Poor Subaru, that last death was way too brutal. |
| “What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?” ― Lelouch Vi Britannia |
Rob7 said: vangoz said: One thing I hate about characters of this series is how easy they change from a normal friendly character to cold indiscriminate murderer for no reason, just like Garfiel here and Rem + Puck in S1. Garfiel doesn't even have any good reason to kill Otto and the villagers. It's causing trust issues. How do you even live in a world full of people who goofed around with you yesterday and kill you today? I'm amazed there are adults in that world. Exactly. Lugunica is a really terrible place. Maybe because the war, the tension between the races, the excess of dangerous people, beings and monsters, i guess it all disturbs the harmony of the people even worse than happens in USA (lol) Not only Garfiel, Rem and Puck turn from nice budies to merciless killers. - Ram, when Rem died in S1: "Subaru, i know you was invited by Emilia-sama and saved her life,and i and my deceased sister even helped you to overcome the trauma in your sleep last night... BUT, can you explain what happ.... KNOW WHAT!? AIR HUMA! DIE ALREADY! Or Roswaal in the same episode: Beatrice, i know everything above and that you are being rational trying to explain, but, let's fight, now that my Ram wants to kill him, i just can follow it. BOOM! For the God's Sake, i guess only Emilia is somebody who would mind a bit before brainless decide to kill some friendly acquaintance, at least today, NOWADAY at least! Now, i start to give a bit of reason for that Regulus Archbishop. He just wanted to talk, Crusch. Honestly Subaru would have avoid all the troubles if he never met Emilia XD. She's the source of all suffering cuz of her position/ birth. If he just make friend with Reinhert and never leave capital , he'd live a happy / humble life XD. (Maybe selling apple) PS: Rem/ Ram concern is completely reasonable , because of Emilia's position. She is in such dangerous position right now, which extreme caution is 100% necessary. Plus Rem can sniff the witches' scent, so her suspicion is completely legit. It proves how faithful both Ram/ Rem are. The proof is after Subara gain the trust he needed in arc2, not just Rem, but also Ram trusted Subaru wholeheartedly now. |
Ventus_SAug 28, 2020 12:25 AM
vangoz said: One thing I hate about characters of this series is how easy they change from a normal friendly character to cold indiscriminate murderer for no reason, just like Garfiel here and Rem + Puck in S1. Garfiel doesn't even have any good reason to kill Otto and the villagers. It's causing trust issues. How do you even live in a world full of people who goofed around with you yesterday and kill you today? I'm amazed there are adults in that world. Every change you speak of makes sense in context of the story though. Different circumstances different reactions. Also, the chars in this show did not live through most of what we saw as those realities are no more. |
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
| So Beatrice possesses second most accurate book that tells what is going to happen, huh.. Interesting.. First one is Book of Wisdom, hm.. Wonder, how accurate are both of them.. And well.. Even if Beatrice might not be witch cult follower herself.. She still said she does something for Mother, as well as for this book.. As well as she mentioned earlier Betelgeuse in shorter nickname Geuse.. I myself rather not see her as enemy in the end.. Because she's one of most likeable characters in the series for me personally, really.. But still lots of things are unknown about Beatrice.. Say to Beatrice "I am that person", huh.. Interesting.. .. So Subaru will be the one overtaking her "contract" or something?.. Well, will see with time, I guess.. But I feel a bit that they're overhyping a bit talk with her, when in reality I'm not too sure it will be something as impressive as they build around for now.. Well, I'll be fine either way, I guess.. That Garf is annoying.. He turned into some character like that angry dude Bakugo from Boku no Hero Academia, lol.. Hope we get less of him, he's just annoying at this point, really.. So.. Does the rabbit attack on the Sanctuary happens every time, even if Subaru leaves it, when going to fight Elsa?.. So what?.. Now Subaru has to both save Sanctuary from rabbits and somehow mansion from Elsa at the same time?.. Yeah, I can understand, why Subaru breaks into saying "I've been returning by death" again and again.. He really couldn't tell this to anyone.. Was all alone in this fact in particular.. And really he went through some shit already, his life was worse than torture for a very long time already.. Wonder, if Echidna can become a friend to him, who he can tell with about his worries fully.. Who knows.. Overall.. But for real, though.. Echidna is such a supporting character so far for Subaru, she might have even done the most out of all characters at all for him.. She solved his past, or rather let Subaru solve his past emotionally by himself.. Basically solving all his previous life he lived.. And now she will provide support with the thing that was hardest for him as well?.. Echidna is truly something.. I'm impressed how much she actually is doing for Subaru.. She is really changing his life 2 times already.. And changing it in a major way, not even just major, but maybe most important way I can think of, to be honest.. Echidna is truly impressive.. |
Knorkuraxu-Chan said: Yo Echidna took Hanekawas: "I only know what I know."- line. Ain't complaining tho. Subaru finally got all this trauma off his chest. Good for him! Also the translation of Crunchyroll on that part is wrong I think. Echidona said "I only know what I know", and follow up by the line "which is basically everything in the world" (Crunchyroll translated into something pretty mild/lackluster) |
| Holy fucking shit that bunny scene was so brutal! Ngl, it was my favorite scene. I love horror bits like that. It took my mind off seeing Patrasche get stomped on by Garfiel. My heart ached so much for Patrasche. She is truly best girl of this entire series. At least she's okay again. Also, wow to be able to say return by death in front of Echidna many times. It must have been relieving for Barusu. |
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| Well, it's no longer a contest between Rem and Emilia for who best girl is, because Echidna just stole it from both of them. |
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randomasti19 said: Considering he fell in love with the very first girl he met for the first time, i'm not surprised. Subaru doesn't love Emilia. If Subaru actually fell in love with Emilia after he met her for the first time, he wouldn't think of betraying her:- 1. In the sloth route And of course even in Just keep watching. He thinks he loves Emilia but his betrayal is pretty apparent in the series. The only girl Subaru actually loves (who doesn't fake her death to make him agree to polygamy) is as you will see. He has yet to betray her promises and even went as far as to Maybe both of them had a past. I don't even think Subaru loves Emilia. The only Subaru that actually loved Emilia was Only Puck loves Emilia no one else. Maybe Subaru might love Emilia in the future or maybe not. But as of now, he does not love her. He thinks he does but he does not. He has betrayed Emilia more times than anyone else in the series. Just to answer a few, while Subaru was simping for Rem and Beatrice, Emilia and everyone else were being eaten by bunnies (but we only see Subaru's POV so are empathetic only towards him). Subaru is prideful. His pride being that he will save everyone. Subaru is also jealous and his jealousy directed towards people like Reinhardt who are strong and can save everyone. It brings Subaru nothing but suffering when he doesn't realize how powerless he is. As for Emilia, Also, in the entirety of the series Subaru is manipulated by many characters because of how powerless he is I have yet to see Subaru betray though so there is that. This might seem like I hate Subaru but that is not true. This is my character analysis on him as far as I've read in the novel. Subaru has always been like this from the start. |
swirlydragonAug 28, 2020 2:17 AM
vangoz said: One thing I hate about characters of this series is how easy they change from a normal friendly character to cold indiscriminate murderer for no reason, just like Garfiel here and Rem + Puck in S1. Garfiel doesn't even have any good reason to kill Otto and the villagers. It's causing trust issues. How do you even live in a world full of people who goofed around with you yesterday and kill you today? I'm amazed there are adults in that world. What the heck are talking about. Garf does not literally know any of this people so what basis does he have to trust them when they are protecting a suspicious person? He's hold the villagers hostage to pressure Emilia to take the trials to begin with! It s not random thing. |
| So Garfiel really is Garfield and how long has he not eaten Lasagna. Damn Rosswaal forgot to feed him 🤣 Subaru shouldn't have escaped on a Monday. Subaru escapes Garfield only to end up as someone's elses Lasagna in Monty Python and the Holy Grail lol Subaru finally finding someone to share his despair was a really nice change for once |
DarkwindJRAug 28, 2020 5:50 AM
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| Subaru finally got a break |
| How can Subaru tell Echidna about Return by Death? |
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AbsurdTurk said: Jaereku said: Because he simply didn't. He had a complete emotional shutdown as a defense mechanism (not consciously pretending) after Episode 14 which lasted an entire loop, and it took some MAJOR shocking events happening in front of his eyes to urge him into action. And when he does, the anime makes it plenty obvious he's not mentally all there in episode 16. How was he, "not there" in episode 16? @fullofregrets09 That's...now exactly how insanity works though. Firstly, there are different forms of insanity. In Subaru's case, it appeared like he went insane in the sense that he wasn't able to be aware of what was happening around him. But he was, as the anime points out. Evidenced by him becoming furious when Betelgeuse started torturing Rem. rsc-pl said: So, people will be still saying that this season is worse than 1st one? I mean, I think it's because it's not as fast paced and dramatic as season 1: it's just one big arc. The anime made a big deal about how he was completely consumed by his emotions and rage, and the novel explicited even more so. For instance, when he walked towards Crusch after his yelling and her refusal, he'd grabbed a spoon with intent to attack her in the novel (the anime toned it down & left his intentions to the viewer's imagination). He wasn't able to take in what's happening until something BRUTALLY shocking happened. That's finally what broke the mental barrier he built. Volume 6 or the author's twitter make that interpretation pretty clear. |
| Ah, he truly found the Witch he needed : Subaru will finally become able to make a confession that will - without a doubt - lighten his heart & feelings |
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AX3M said: How can Subaru tell Echidna about Return by Death? Mod Edit: Added spoiler tags; please hide plot details. |
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