I'm so happy I dropped this manga 100+ chapters back

Swag_Akatsuki said:
Seeing how near everyone is mad with the ending, I feel better knowing I got off early on in order to avoid being so mad and livid with the author for how things ended. Ended up avoiding a lot of problems and anger issues with the series lol.

But seriously, don't harass the author online and make us Western fans look bad. Just give valid criticism without insulting her so other Japanese authors don't constantly view us as idiots (too late for MHA fandom though). That and I feel she's trying to push a lot of the criticism aside as harassment and not to listen to western fans since we don't pay to read manga's, despite sales for manga in general going up due to readers outside of Japan from western countries.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1090528/manga-sales-us/#:~:text=comics%20and%20graphic%20novels%20U.S.%202019&text=Between%20January%201%20and%20May,comic%20and%20graphic%20novel%20category.
https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/2019/sales-of-manga-books-are-on-the-rise-in-the-united-states-the-npd-group-says/
https://bleedingfool.com/blogs/mangas-rise-in-usa-while-american-comic-sales-sink/

Carlbab said:
People saying that they dropped the manga and still here talking about it after its ending. Such a huge lie ahahaha. Internet is really fun.

Raptors0verlord said:
Dunno, I mean The ship I wanted sailed , so I'm cool

Godaistudios said:


So.. the end justifies the means? Ultimately the author crapped on Hina and made her a consolation prize. When it's that hollow and that shallow, there really isn't anything to be satisfied with.

Raptors0verlord said:


what else to be done ? If Natsuo ended up with Rui that well still be un-satisfing,This is due to the fact of how the author teased Hina as a love interest from the very start and on the cover of the very first book no less , So Natsuo Ending with Rui would be a very huge disappointment for people like myself Who is left on the side lines waiting for stories where we can see young men ending up with much older mortal females , Rui is just another generic overdone choice , I rather a badly written ending where Hina ends up with Natsuo rather than a good written one with Rui being the winner caz then it is still bad and un-satisfing

Godaistudios said:


I'm going to copy and paste here from the "how would you have changed the ending thread." I preferred Rui because not only did the relationship seem more "organic" in a way, but had both Natsuo and Rui growing together and making a connection together that wasn't really there with Hina. That said, I did like Hina, so I played devil's advocate and asked myself, what would be a satisfying ending where the characters don't betray themselves and keep to the depth we already had.

On that change:

I admit that I had a preference of Rui over Hina, but let's talk about how to get Hina with Natsuo while staying consistent the the depth of writing we had up to that point.

So, starting with the accident - instead of a coma situation, Rui does get injured and loses the baby. She winds up hurt and emotionally distraught over the loss of her child. Because she is unable to cope with everything, she decides to go back to New York, to work and find herself. She tells Natsuo that while she loves him, it's too painful to be with him, so they ultimately break up. She finds a support group in New York with people who deal with grief and winds up connecting with another man there and they slowly develop a relationship.

In the meantime, Hina comforts Natsuo over the loss but never pressures him. Natsuo writes through his grief and Hina supports him throughout while helping him to emotionally heal over the loss of his child. Eventually they kiss and she lets him know that she never stopped loving him.

Then you can "time skip" if you want to show both sisters getting married and happy.

Hina fans get their ship, Rui doesn't wind up rejecting the marriage because of her "inferiority complex" with her sister.

Wrap it up, and viola. A clean end.

If you are a Hina fan, you could have still had your ship while staying true to the characters, but you didn't really get that.

Raptors0verlord said:


That I can agree on, But still wouldn't be happy if Natsuo ended with Rui rather than Hina, It well be equally to me to having this ending in being bad no matter how better written it is.

I well say it again : I agree with the critics and acknowledge how badly the ending was but still prefer a badly written ending where my ship sails over a good one that doesn't

Godaistudios said:


What's funny is the idea that it isn't being paid for, but since I have a premium Crunchyroll/Vrv account, it is. So while it may not be bought by the volume, it's still an empty claim.

That said, I wouldn't be so angry about the ending had it been written well. I get that not everybody was going to get their ship. I understand that. I preferred Rui myself. She had character growth - that got thrown out the window for the sake of the plot at the end. Hina was just mostly static. Bad stuff happening to her was the substitute so we would feel bad for her - which supports the idea that it was a pity relationship in the end.

Vinicius234 said:


You should re read the manga without shipping googles,get them far of your brain.i do recognise that sasugas writing was ambiguous and equivocal in the portrayal of some situations, but to understand them, the key was the characters and the genre always in your mind.

Ruis character growth wasnt tossed away, as it wasnt natsuos: go back to chapter 1 and find out their motives, their reasons to fuck each other initially, then cope it up with how hina broke up with him and he went ro rui... aply a karmic and cathartic sense to the matter,as you should remember this is no real life, That should help you.

Precisely the fact rui after 5 years, an almost death of her sister and a pregnancy, decided she was not suited for natsuo, that she screwed her sister life in the process, and thus deciding the best outcome for everyone as a person who loves just not herself but the others inbetween, all that is the show of her growth. Chapters 97-98 are also important to catch it up.

About hinas topic, again this is a shonen : a genre where endurance in your desires and feelings are important, where selfish people are frown upon, when the MC is always a good person looking for the greater good, even with its own failures.

A setting where of course sacrifices are payed off, it doesnt matter if life its not like that because in real life its not a matter of who deserve it but who get it. I get it but writing about that its not in the genre.

So of course in that regard sasuga dint wanted you people to feel pity on her, it was a portrayal of pure elseworthly love, of who actually had more chemistry and compatibillity, who suffered for it, who protected it... etc. Its wasnt about growing up together throught the age, as every highschool sweetheart does, it was a coming of age for both of them, they required the romantic experience to be with their real mates, the ones with the stronger connection. Of course the heat of the relationship itself blinded them and they lost track of it, but that was needed. Natsuo wasnt a man deserving hina, and rui wasnt capable of understanding and feeling love and empathy at the start of this, hina also has the man she deserves. now its done.

TheMangaManiac said:
You've done what's called "a pro gamer move", wish I was that smart XD

Akagi-kun said:
Wow. Innovation is now just a synonym of a ruined ending. I didn't know about it.

Level5-1996 said:


Innovation is not doing the same shit that 1000 writers had written before. And you know I'm not talking about the ending itself (I admit it could have been better).
But the funny thing is, a lot of similar weird things happened during the manga that were conveniently ignored because your ship hadn't sunk yet.
For example the girl in the beginning who wants to fuck with the first one who crosses just for research, Rui's strange infatuation with someone who hardly shows any interest in her, to the point that she wants to steal it from her own sister, faulty condoms and million of circumstances that I can enumerate.
But, whatever it is, it's made people. Find other mainstream tsundere antisocial and sellfish default win(admit It's the only you care about already) to read and stop bothering those who did understand the manga.

Level5-1996 said:

Innovation is not doing the same shit that 1000 writers had written before.

wizardofahhzz said:
Honestly, the writing was mostly consistent throughout, and by this, I mean Kei always was pulling contrived twists for the sake of drama, as far back as... Chapter 1. People claiming the writing dropped off the cliff in the final few chapters I just don't think were paying attention. The only actual missteps I feel like she needs to be called out for is the New York and pregnancy arc (there's a reason most stories where someone realizes they love someone else don't involve a pregnancy), as well as some of the filler chapters with the drug arc (really, we want to defend that?). It's been obvious even before Rui broke up with Natsuo (at his lowest, I would like to add) that Hina was the endgame. Some of the criticism I've seen is just some people being unable to accept that fact. If you cut out the Miyabi and drug filler along with Natsuo's trip to New York and everything involved in it, and use that to flesh out the final few chapters Kei was clearly aiming for, we wouldn't really be talking about it. However, that doesn't change the fact the writing has always been contrived. Some people are only just noticing because Rui lost (which was obvious to begin with).

Akagi-kun said:

Ok. So if Sasuga decided to make an ending with Kobayashi for example, it would also be an innovation, but not a far-fetched story.

OKCEANZ said:


holy shit ahahahahahahahahahhahha, you are probably one of those guys that call shitting on paper and making up some ridiculous meaning to it art

Level5-1996 said:


You give these kinds of answers because you know you have no arguments to do it seriously (just hinting that the story was perfect until the supposedly only artificial twist of the story in chapter 200)

You end up believing these things that you invent yourself, because others with the same feeling of indignation because their girl did not win endorse you only out of spite.

Akagi-kun said:


I don't want to prove anything to anyone, because it useless anyway, but just know that the way the ending of this manga is written is not an innovation at all. It's called something else.
Also, I'm tired of talking about it, I wasn't mind Hina ending at all. But not as it is done here. Even the plot twist in Fuuka looked better.

ManlyTear said:
Fuuka huh... yet another case of fans baby-raging at the author for writing the story he wants. About Seo''s controversial, yet bold move, I don't think it should be considered bad at all.