| What if The Japanese owners of these shows start creating their own streaming services instead of using a third party (such as Crunchy Roll or Funimation) to offer their line ups? Such as American companies have been pulling shows off of platforms Netflix so they can put those shows on their own services. Do you think this could happen? |
| God I hope so. If I could give money to Japanese companies to stream anime with English subs I'd do it in a heartbeat. I wouldn't even care about exclusivity deals. I'd sub to 10 different services that all cost as much as CR if they were Japanese companies staffed by Japanese people and not westerners who are likely to (and over and over again are proven to) hold prejudiced views against anime culture. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
YossaRedMage said: God I hope so. If I could give money to Japanese companies to stream anime with English subs I'd do it in a heartbeat. I wouldn't even care about exclusivity deals. I'd sub to 10 different services that all cost as much as CR if they were Japanese companies staffed by Japanese people and not westerners who are likely to (and over and over again are proven to) hold prejudiced views against anime culture. I highly doubt that they would be charging crunchy roll prices for access to their shows though. Just look at the prices a lot of these companies like Aniplex want for their DVDs and BD's. I feel like the Japanese company would soak the international audience for as much as they could. Especially if all of that money went into their pockets. Qashi-Dema said: I doubt it will happen soon and if it does it would split the anime community and hurt it in the process, I'm willing to bet that if streaming services do go down that road then many people will just go back to pirating websites We're already heading down that road with American streaming sites. If Anime's profits from streaming continue to increase I can't see the Japanese owners continue to use third party sites. Why would they do that when they can pocket all of that money for themselves and charge how much they want? Cut out the middleman completely. It's only a matter of time before they start playing around with that idea. Everyone thought that Netflix's one stop shop would last forever. Well it sure didn't.. |
ZeroflamezApr 20, 2020 6:26 PM
| I wouldn't mind that, tho I would much prefer one huge universal streaming service based in japan. Oh and only if one of their top priorities was to fund English dubs. It go along way to prevent political/ideological western contamination. |
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| Likely but I hope that doesn't happen unless it's like Netflix back in the good old days. Seriously, I have Netflix, Amazon Prime, AND Crunchyroll but pirating is still more convenient than all those services. It's very annoying. |
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Sakeyano said: Likely but I hope that doesn't happen unless it's like Netflix back in the good old days. Seriously, I have Netflix, Amazon Prime, AND Crunchyroll but pirating is still more convenient than all those services. It's very annoying. Would be nice if they could have an all in streaming service though it just wouldn't make sense for these companies to do so. If you actually own these properties why split the profits with a bunch of other companies when you could make your own and reap all of the profits? especially if you have a very popular and relevant stable of stuff like Dragon Ball, My Hero Academia, etc. |
| um this already happens fumination pulled its titles from crunchyroll. |
Zeroflamez said: Sakeyano said: Likely but I hope that doesn't happen unless it's like Netflix back in the good old days. Seriously, I have Netflix, Amazon Prime, AND Crunchyroll but pirating is still more convenient than all those services. It's very annoying. Would be nice if they could have an all in streaming service though it just wouldn't make sense for these companies to do so. If you actually own these properties why split the profits with a bunch of other companies when you could make your own and reap all of the profits? especially if you have a very popular and relevant stable of stuff like Dragon Ball, My Hero Academia, etc. Yeah, something like old Netflix will probably never happen again. Everyone realized they could just cash in themselves in the streaming service area :/ really sucks on the consumer side though... |
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AnimeFreak-San said: um this already happens fumination pulled its titles from crunchyroll. No it hasn't. Funimation only owns the rights to the show in North America. If Toei wanted to do their own streaming service they could easily do so and pull it from Funi Edit: What I meant was that Companies in Japan creating their own services for the international market hasn't happened yet. Not that funimation didn't take their stream rights back from Crunchy Roll. |
ZeroflamezApr 20, 2020 8:39 PM
Space_Invader said: The American streaming market is forming the way it is for a very specific reason. Almost all media in America (Netflix is the big exception) is owned by one of 4 companies:Comcast, Disney, Viacom, and At&T. Because there are only a few massive companies, they can all vertically integrate, which is what you are describing: Disney has already launched Disney Max (includes ABC, Disney Movie Studios and 20th Century Studios, which was Fox Studios). At&T is launching HBO Max (includes Warner Media). Viacom has CBS (also owns Paramount Pictures), which either has launched CBS All Access. Finally, Comcast is going to launch Peacock (includes NBC and Universal Pictures). Sony is big enough to launch their own service too, I guess, but it would pretty much just be their movies. Pretty much the only other content holder out their with any kind of scale is Lionsgate Films. Anyone chomping at the bit for a streaming service of just that? So you end up with 5 or 6 streaming services. If anime producers tried to do this, you would have dozens of services for way less content. So instead there are an increasing number of foreign companies getting onto production companies to control the international streaming rights (Crunchyroll, Funimation, Netflix, Bilibili). They are basically doing what you have mentioned, but in reverse. A lot of studios are owned by a parent company though. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the parent companies owned multiple studios. If that is very well the case I'm sure they still could pull something off like they are doing in the states now.. |
| idk much about business but just look at how much money people spend on videogames like the Resident Evil remakes which will only take an average of about 4-5 hours to complete. If a service similar to steam offered HQ anime downloads I think it might catch on, at least as an alternative to buying overpriced DVD and Blu-rays. |
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| In theory yeah that would be ideal vs having licensors granted it may end up being hardly different than Funi or CR if Japan just simply doesn't care about managing them that carefully. Issue is I don't how fragmented it would be? It's fine if it's like two different competing brands but people are already paying for other services on top of that. The biggest problem is that most people don't want to dish out a ton of money for like 30 different streaming services. Plus if Netflix didn't have so many bad decisions regarding anime streaming I actually would be totally supportive of more anime ending up there and being promoted on said services than more niche streaming sites like CR. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 20, 2020 10:37 PM
| Id actually argue that it's worse. Most older shows have loads of audio issues and arent in very good quality, and you need to own every service to be able to have access to shows, and even then, a lot of currently airing stuff cant be watched on those services, and sometimes priating is just BETTER. |
| Probably it'll happen at some point and I'll hate it about as much as I hate disney+ taking all the stuff from Netflix that I paid for for years. I'll never sign up for more than one streaming service at a time tho, and if they want to make me go back to torrenting everything rather than it just being on Netflix like it used to be, then so be it. That goes for the western streaming services and for everything else. I'd always rather buy BDs, DVDs or manga to support the industry because that way I at least get something out of the money that I can hold in my hands. I don't really like the idea of paying all that money for streaming and then having nothing to show for it, especially when I don't even get acces to 50% of the shows I want to watch anyway. The selling point of streaming services is convenience, and when I need 4 services to watch 70% of the stuff I'm interested in, that's the opposite of convenient. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Pullman said: Probably it'll happen at some point and I'll hate it about as much as I hate disney+ taking all the stuff from Netflix that I paid for for years. I'll never sign up for more than one streaming service at a time tho, and if they want to make me go back to torrenting everything rather than it just being on Netflix like it used to be, then so be it. That goes for the western streaming services and for everything else. I'd always rather buy BDs, DVDs or manga to support the industry because that way I at least get something out of the money that I can hold in my hands. I don't really like the idea of paying all that money for streaming and then having nothing to show for it, especially when I don't even get acces to 50% of the shows I want to watch anyway. The selling point of streaming services is convenience, and when I need 4 services to watch 70% of the stuff I'm interested in, that's the opposite of convenient. Yeah I agree. If I'm gonna pay money I'd rather have a physical copy I can watch without internet access that I can actually own. It's still easier to swap discs than it is to have to boot up 3 different streaming services. epidemia78 said: idk much about business but just look at how much money people spend on videogames like the Resident Evil remakes which will only take an average of about 4-5 hours to complete. If a service similar to steam offered HQ anime downloads I think it might catch on, at least as an alternative to buying overpriced DVD and Blu-rays. DVD and Blu Ray prices are pretty decent now though (If you live in North America anyway). Japan is still hella expensive and so is Australia. |
ZeroflamezApr 21, 2020 10:08 AM
| Thank god for torrenting and fan subbers, if I'd have to pay, or stream anime on shitty pirate sites and watch the garbage tier subs of Crunchyroll or Funimation I'd honestly give up on anime. |
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| If you want to pirate anime and not pay a cent for anything, you don't have to come up with such an elaborate excuse. |
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Tylaen said: If you want to pirate anime and not pay a cent for anything, you don't have to come up with such an elaborate excuse. That has absolutely no relevance to the thread. |
Zeroflamez said: There's a report button if you need it.Tylaen said: If you want to pirate anime and not pay a cent for anything, you don't have to come up with such an elaborate excuse. That has absolutely no relevance to the thread. |
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Tylaen said: There's a report button if you need it. I'd prefer it if you stopped having a hard on for me and hop off of my dick already. Thank you. |
Zeroflamez said: It’s very cute that you have a persecution complex.Tylaen said: There's a report button if you need it. I'd prefer it if you stopped having a hard on for me and hop off of my dick already. Thank you. |
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| I think that course of events is unlikely. Producers of Western shows pulling their content from Netflix/Hulu don't have to go through barriers of langauge, culture, and distance to reach their audiences. With anime though, it's more efficient and less risky to let foreign distributors pay for licenses and do the necessary work in localization, marketing, and setting up streaming infrastructure. As deg points out, they already tried something like this with Daisuki, and it didn't work out. And generally speaking, Japanese companies entering overseas markets, like the USA's, directly hasn't led to lower prices or better quality for consumers. There's the contemporary examples of Aniplex USA and PonyCan USA. Bandai Visual tried charging JP-like prices for discs in the late 2000s. Toei tried in the mid-2000s to sell shows like Interlude and Slam Dunk on DVD in the US, and while the prices weren't overly high, the quality was well below what anime fans expected at the time. Is it just me, or are the "You need 700 services that cost $3274 a month to watch everything!!" posts getting more and more ridiculous? Has anyone ever looked at the real numbers, the actual availability, and the true costs? I did so awhile back for the Winter '20 season, and this is what I came up with: I realize this is mainly for the US, but that's 2 services having over 90% of the season (plus substantial back catalogues), for $14 a month. Hardly an unreasonable amount, considering that anime in the pre-streaming era would run you $30 for 4-episodes DVDs 2-3 years after a given title aired. There was never a nostalgic utopian time when everything was on one service. Before the market had more competitors in it, more shows simply went unlicensed. Anyone remember a show called Puella Magi Madoka Magica? One of the top shows of 2011, and most influential works of the 2010s? No legal site streamed it as it aired. Not CR, not anyone else. Same goes for Netflix; they never had all US movies and TV shows, either. epidemia78 said: idk much about business but just look at how much money people spend on videogames like the Resident Evil remakes which will only take an average of about 4-5 hours to complete. If a service similar to steam offered HQ anime downloads I think it might catch on, at least as an alternative to buying overpriced DVD and Blu-rays. Everyone seems to love "Steam for Anime" as an abstract concept, but I don't see it playing out in reality. Anime viewers who don't want to pay a few bucks a month for a streaming service with hundreds of titles aren't going to line up to pay for individual shows, let alone episodes, in a Steam-like system. Even the anime piracy scene has largely shifted from downloading to streaming. If there's barely any "market" for free downloads, where's the potential audience for paid downloads? |
Tylaen said: Zeroflamez said: It’s very cute that you have a persecution complex.I'd prefer it if you stopped having a hard on for me and hop off of my dick already. Thank you. Says the guy coming into a thread claiming that some how I am wanting an excuse to pirate Anime so I made a thread about whether Anime streaming could go the same way American streaming sites have gone. I support the industry and have been for years. So just get off your high horse and fuck off ok? |
| I would say the issue comes down to cost effectiveness. It's arguably safer to sell a license to a distributor like Crunchyroll or Funimation instead of hiring translators and implementing distribution methods. The other arguably bigger issue is compared to say America structurally Anime studios just tend to be different. If you look at something like disney+ for example it's an overarching brand that includes film studios, network channels and obviously animation studios (amongst many other things). Anime on the other hand tends to be partially owned by several distinct organizations due to the production committee structure. So there isn't like an overarching brand who could lay claim to those shows unless the animation studio happens to be a part of the production committees for a majority of their projects. They could have streaming apps for individual shows like say ReLIFE had, but there's only maybe a handful of Anime studios who could put their whole catalog on one single platform. |
GamerDLMApr 21, 2020 7:33 PM
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