| I mean, can you mention more than two shows? You can't because every other anime have the same level of animation. What really matters is its direction and truth be told, this anime is somewhat decent on that. |
| How the animation is bad lmao. Maybe the art and color pallete is different from 90% animes. I think the animation is good. On top of that you are comparing Ufotable and Wit studio with all other studios which is so unfair. |
| While in my opinion the art style is pretty mediocre, the animation is decent, it's passable for a seasonal. |
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| Eh, animation is pretty good they look so fluid and every characters moved alot. Imo bad animation is when the characters is barely move and even when they do they looks so stiff and not fluid, plus bad CG. |
| Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
| It looks pretty fluid from what I remember, mind you it’s been a few days since I last saw it. Unpopular opinion, I’m kinda digging the art style as well. |
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| Personally, I absolutely love the visuals. The rough edged but great looking character designs, the colors that pop so well with its watercolor-esque presentation, the fascinating scenery, the visually stunning shinsoo in episode 2, and even the smooth animation teased in sequences like with the fight in the 2nd episode. Unpopular opinion here but I think so far, it's my favorite looking show of the year (as of now) with Yesterday wo Utatte in second. I just love the unique yet fascinating presentation that fits a unique yet fascinating world that the manhwa/anime was trying to build. The style isn't for everyone definitely, but for me, I couldn't have asked for much better for season 1. Especially given how the manhwa art for season 1 is poor. |
| Its ok, though I think the transition is pretty bad though it needs some improvement. |
| the art style is more unique than 70% of the anime coming out, what do you mean? I preferably like it to the overly UWU faces. |
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ayaan692 said: Fuzzylumpkins said: the art style is more unique than 70% of the anime coming out, what do you mean? I preferably like it to the overly UWU faces. having less details on the art dosent make it unique it just makes it lazy and bad even comparing it to sao it looks really bad visually Before I begin this discussion, I want to point out the errors you have stated. -Even comparing it to SAO, it looks bad visually. Oh, you bring up SAO? The anime which has one of the most overly bland art styles? Okay. Let me bring up a diagram for you. I'd now like to show you the distinctions between the art style in Sword Art Online, which comparably, has little to no difference between characters. Although having more detail, the combination of character design makes each character look like a carbon copy of one another.  Here, I compare Kirito to Asuna. Facial difference? None. Most notable about this comparison is the fact that asuna looks like kirito with just longer hair and a different eye colour. Why is that? Oh! Lack of variety. TL;DR summary of the above image: no distinction between facial type, including: -nose -eye shape. -face shape. -body shape. -stance. -gesture.  Here is a comparison of both the art style of Sword Art Online and Tower of God. Easily differences can be noted between the two images. The sword art online image contains what I like to call "The standard of anime", which in other-words means laziness. What does this image express to you about the character? His personality? Traits? Anything, really? Now, let me compare this to the chad ToG version. The sketchy art style, which some may call bland, is perfect in adding in distinction between scenes and can create absolute eye-candy. It's also a stylistic choice which has been incorporated in anime in the past, most notably in the line-work of Dragon Maid. e.g.  Shading is not needed for this style. Its as simple as that. No, this isn't making me biased. Many styles have thrived on no shading to make it unique. I'd also like to mention the works of Yuasa, Masaaki, who I consider the godfather of unique styles, which happen to be simplistic and lacking in detail, but make it up completely by animation and design. Here is 3 series he has worked on; kaiba, eizouken, and ping pong the animation.  These are all works by the same studio/creator, and yet.....All have different styles which can describe the characters personality through the art alone. DO you realize how powerful that is? not many mediums are able to encaptulate the emotion of a character in its entirety. You can note about these styles that each of them lack shading and are simplistic, yet all got high praise and recognition in the anime community. Was the style a disadvantage of watching each show? No. Not at all. In fact, I believe if it had an average, detailed and thorough style it would lose its charm entirely. The power of art in each of these shows goes to show that each character doesn't need to be perfect to be special, and distinctions even between characters can be noticeable. TL;DR A simplistic and unique art style doesn't make it lazy in the slightest. If done correctly, it can far surpass other styles in terms of smaller details of the fluidity and motion, as well as facial features and reactions. If you truly believe at this point that a simplistic art style means laziness, you really need to watch better anime lmao... |
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Bhaskar_Singh said: In the age where we are getting shows like Demon Slayer And Vinland Saga (in recent) this looks trash. The art is bad. Character edges look rough. Not much but i personally expect some good cgi to make the show look more lively. Considering the hype this looks really bad visually. Haven't read the original story but heard its good so lets see if they improve in future or not. So if a show doesn't have the same artstyle as 90% of anime it will be considered bad? Wow. Vinland Saga? That shit animation quality went downhill as fuck , even the art was inconsistent. Did we watch the same show? Demon Slayer? If we take out excessive computer effects it has it doesn't have much to offer in the animation department , apart from very few scenes. If you want to watch some actual good animation watch any KyoAni show or Mob Psycho 100 (both season) But no , you wouldn't like Mob Psycho right? Because it has a very different artstyle than most anime. This show is very well animated for a one cour seasonal anime. The art style is also pretty good and unique. Don't get high expectations if you were only able to find two examples of good animation from hundreds of shows last year (and even those two examples were bad) Edit : So you liked Mob Psycho (just checked your list)? You had no problems with the artstyle of mob but you have problems with art style of ToG? My god. I guess the reason is that it had great animation? |
DomineLkiraApr 13, 2020 3:37 AM
Fuzzylumpkins said: ayaan692 said: having less details on the art dosent make it unique it just makes it lazy and bad even comparing it to sao it looks really bad visually Before I begin this discussion, I want to point out the errors you have stated. -Even comparing it to SAO, it looks bad visually. Oh, you bring up SAO? The anime which has one of the most overly bland art styles? Okay. Let me bring up a diagram for you. I'd now like to show you the distinctions between the art style in Sword Art Online, which comparably, has little to no difference between characters. Although having more detail, the combination of character design makes each character look like a carbon copy of one another. Here, I compare Kirito to Asuna. Facial difference? None. Most notable about this comparison is the fact that asuna looks like kirito with just longer hair and a different eye colour. Why is that? Oh! Lack of variety. TL;DR summary of the above image: no distinction between facial type, including: -nose -eye shape. -face shape. -body shape. -stance. -gesture. Here is a comparison of both the art style of Sword Art Online and Tower of God. Easily differences can be noted between the two images. The sword art online image contains what I like to call "The standard of anime", which in other-words means laziness. What does this image express to you about the character? His personality? Traits? Anything, really? Now, let me compare this to the chad ToG version. The sketchy art style, which some may call bland, is perfect in adding in distinction between scenes and can create absolute eye-candy. It's also a stylistic choice which has been incorporated in anime in the past, most notably in the line-work of Dragon Maid. e.g. Shading is not needed for this style. Its as simple as that. No, this isn't making me biased. Many styles have thrived on no shading to make it unique. I'd also like to mention the works of Yuasa, Masaaki, who I consider the godfather of unique styles, which happen to be simplistic and lacking in detail, but make it up completely by animation and design. Here is 3 series he has worked on; kaiba, eizouken, and ping pong the animation. These are all works by the same studio/creator, and yet.....All have different styles which can describe the characters personality through the art alone. DO you realize how powerful that is? not many mediums are able to encaptulate the emotion of a character in its entirety. You can note about these styles that each of them lack shading and are simplistic, yet all got high praise and recognition in the anime community. Was the style a disadvantage of watching each show? No. Not at all. In fact, I believe if it had an average, detailed and detailed style it would lose its charm entirely. The power of art in each of these shows goes to show that each character doesn't need to be perfect to be special, and distinctions even between characters can be noticeable. TL;DR A simplistic and unique art style doesn't make it lazy in the slightest. If done correctly, it can far surpass other styles in terms of smaller details of the fluidity and motion, as well as facial features and reactions. If you truly believe at this point that a simplistic art style means laziness, you really need to watch better anime lmao... What a great answer, you might just make a blog post about it. It would be great |
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Fuzzylumpkins said: ayaan692 said: having less details on the art dosent make it unique it just makes it lazy and bad even comparing it to sao it looks really bad visually Before I begin this discussion, I want to point out the errors you have stated. -Even comparing it to SAO, it looks bad visually. Oh, you bring up SAO? The anime which has one of the most overly bland art styles? Okay. Let me bring up a diagram for you. I'd now like to show you the distinctions between the art style in Sword Art Online, which comparably, has little to no difference between characters. Although having more detail, the combination of character design makes each character look like a carbon copy of one another. Here, I compare Kirito to Asuna. Facial difference? None. Most notable about this comparison is the fact that asuna looks like kirito with just longer hair and a different eye colour. Why is that? Oh! Lack of variety. TL;DR summary of the above image: no distinction between facial type, including: -nose -eye shape. -face shape. -body shape. -stance. -gesture. Here is a comparison of both the art style of Sword Art Online and Tower of God. Easily differences can be noted between the two images. The sword art online image contains what I like to call "The standard of anime", which in other-words means laziness. What does this image express to you about the character? His personality? Traits? Anything, really? Now, let me compare this to the chad ToG version. The sketchy art style, which some may call bland, is perfect in adding in distinction between scenes and can create absolute eye-candy. It's also a stylistic choice which has been incorporated in anime in the past, most notably in the line-work of Dragon Maid. e.g. Shading is not needed for this style. Its as simple as that. No, this isn't making me biased. Many styles have thrived on no shading to make it unique. I'd also like to mention the works of Yuasa, Masaaki, who I consider the godfather of unique styles, which happen to be simplistic and lacking in detail, but make it up completely by animation and design. Here is 3 series he has worked on; kaiba, eizouken, and ping pong the animation. These are all works by the same studio/creator, and yet.....All have different styles which can describe the characters personality through the art alone. DO you realize how powerful that is? not many mediums are able to encaptulate the emotion of a character in its entirety. You can note about these styles that each of them lack shading and are simplistic, yet all got high praise and recognition in the anime community. Was the style a disadvantage of watching each show? No. Not at all. In fact, I believe if it had an average, detailed and thorough style it would lose its charm entirely. The power of art in each of these shows goes to show that each character doesn't need to be perfect to be special, and distinctions even between characters can be noticeable. TL;DR A simplistic and unique art style doesn't make it lazy in the slightest. If done correctly, it can far surpass other styles in terms of smaller details of the fluidity and motion, as well as facial features and reactions. If you truly believe at this point that a simplistic art style means laziness, you really need to watch better anime lmao... this is why i said even sao sao atleast looks clean while being bland aswell and you said that is the average for anime tog is below that average for me you might call it stylish or unique but apart from the eyes which are super detailed the rest of the face and body are just plain drawn if they wanted to give that rough look then they should atleast fully commit to it but having that mixed just looks like a bad mashup |
ayaan692 said: this is why i said even sao sao atleast looks clean while being bland aswell and you said that is the average for anime tog is below that average for me you might call it stylish or unique but apart from the eyes which are super detailed the rest of the face and body are just plain drawn if they wanted to give that rough look then they should atleast fully commit to it but having that mixed just looks like a bad mashup I can respect your opinion. However, coming from an artists point of view, tower of god is quite frankly above SAO stylistic and art wise. Going back to the example I provided earlier with Koboyashi; her style was both rough and clean simultaneously, much like tower of god. Again, it comes down to preference. From my stance, the art style with its simplistic shading was perfect for this anime, and it fits rather well with the overall theme. Also....psst....there are more things detailed from just the eyes. The way the light refracts from the hair, the thick line-art, and how the clothes fold are all unique aspects of this style... I'd like you to go over what I said about the ToG artstyle and how the face shapes, body positions and gesture indicate a keen sense of good art. I'd also like you to go over what I said about Yuasa Masaakis works, and how details don't indicate good art. Have a nice day :) |
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| This was way back in 2010 and yes the art may be looked at as mediocre (It's an artstyle btw) it should improve over time, plus this is Telecom Studio not Ufotable (Kimetsu no Yaiba), give this studio a break. |
Fuzzylumpkins said: ayaan692 said: having less details on the art dosent make it unique it just makes it lazy and bad even comparing it to sao it looks really bad visually Before I begin this discussion, I want to point out the errors you have stated. -Even comparing it to SAO, it looks bad visually. Oh, you bring up SAO? The anime which has one of the most overly bland art styles? Okay. Let me bring up a diagram for you. I'd now like to show you the distinctions between the art style in Sword Art Online, which comparably, has little to no difference between characters. Although having more detail, the combination of character design makes each character look like a carbon copy of one another. Here, I compare Kirito to Asuna. Facial difference? None. Most notable about this comparison is the fact that asuna looks like kirito with just longer hair and a different eye colour. Why is that? Oh! Lack of variety. TL;DR summary of the above image: no distinction between facial type, including: -nose -eye shape. -face shape. -body shape. -stance. -gesture. Here is a comparison of both the art style of Sword Art Online and Tower of God. Easily differences can be noted between the two images. The sword art online image contains what I like to call "The standard of anime", which in other-words means laziness. What does this image express to you about the character? His personality? Traits? Anything, really? Now, let me compare this to the chad ToG version. The sketchy art style, which some may call bland, is perfect in adding in distinction between scenes and can create absolute eye-candy. It's also a stylistic choice which has been incorporated in anime in the past, most notably in the line-work of Dragon Maid. e.g. Shading is not needed for this style. Its as simple as that. No, this isn't making me biased. Many styles have thrived on no shading to make it unique. I'd also like to mention the works of Yuasa, Masaaki, who I consider the godfather of unique styles, which happen to be simplistic and lacking in detail, but make it up completely by animation and design. Here is 3 series he has worked on; kaiba, eizouken, and ping pong the animation. These are all works by the same studio/creator, and yet.....All have different styles which can describe the characters personality through the art alone. DO you realize how powerful that is? not many mediums are able to encaptulate the emotion of a character in its entirety. You can note about these styles that each of them lack shading and are simplistic, yet all got high praise and recognition in the anime community. Was the style a disadvantage of watching each show? No. Not at all. In fact, I believe if it had an average, detailed and thorough style it would lose its charm entirely. The power of art in each of these shows goes to show that each character doesn't need to be perfect to be special, and distinctions even between characters can be noticeable. TL;DR A simplistic and unique art style doesn't make it lazy in the slightest. If done correctly, it can far surpass other styles in terms of smaller details of the fluidity and motion, as well as facial features and reactions. If you truly believe at this point that a simplistic art style means laziness, you really need to watch better anime lmao... Absolute chad response. You didn't have to go into this much detail to disprove OP's dumb point, but i'm glad you did. |
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| I dont think it has a low quality animation. Pretty decent but nothing special. I think what you mean is the art style. Doesn't bother me tbh but is indeed different. Fuzzylumpkins said: ayaan692 said: having less details on the art dosent make it unique it just makes it lazy and bad even comparing it to sao it looks really bad visually Here is a comparison of both the art style of Sword Art Online and Tower of God. Easily differences can be noted between the two images. The sword art online image contains what I like to call "The standard of anime", which in other-words means laziness. What does this image express to you about the character? His personality? Traits? Anything, really? The weird thing about this is this one long post comparing sao and tog. "What does this image express to you about the character? His personality? Traits? Anything, really?" Well let me tell you as a neutral person who doesnt have a special like or dislike for both shows. Both designs don't express anything at all. They are both generic young male mc designs. The general art difference doesnt make a character have more traits or personality into them. Edit: Also want to add that just because an anime has unique art style, doesn't mean its lazy/not lazy. Just like how having a generic art style doesn't mean its lazy/not lazy. |
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Fuzzylumpkins said: ayaan692 said: having less details on the art dosent make it unique it just makes it lazy and bad even comparing it to sao it looks really bad visually Before I begin this discussion, I want to point out the errors you have stated. -Even comparing it to SAO, it looks bad visually. Oh, you bring up SAO? The anime which has one of the most overly bland art styles? Okay. Let me bring up a diagram for you. I'd now like to show you the distinctions between the art style in Sword Art Online, which comparably, has little to no difference between characters. Although having more detail, the combination of character design makes each character look like a carbon copy of one another. Here, I compare Kirito to Asuna. Facial difference? None. Most notable about this comparison is the fact that asuna looks like kirito with just longer hair and a different eye colour. Why is that? Oh! Lack of variety. TL;DR summary of the above image: no distinction between facial type, including: -nose -eye shape. -face shape. -body shape. -stance. -gesture. Here is a comparison of both the art style of Sword Art Online and Tower of God. Easily differences can be noted between the two images. The sword art online image contains what I like to call "The standard of anime", which in other-words means laziness. What does this image express to you about the character? His personality? Traits? Anything, really? Now, let me compare this to the chad ToG version. The sketchy art style, which some may call bland, is perfect in adding in distinction between scenes and can create absolute eye-candy. It's also a stylistic choice which has been incorporated in anime in the past, most notably in the line-work of Dragon Maid. e.g. Shading is not needed for this style. Its as simple as that. No, this isn't making me biased. Many styles have thrived on no shading to make it unique. I'd also like to mention the works of Yuasa, Masaaki, who I consider the godfather of unique styles, which happen to be simplistic and lacking in detail, but make it up completely by animation and design. Here is 3 series he has worked on; kaiba, eizouken, and ping pong the animation. These are all works by the same studio/creator, and yet.....All have different styles which can describe the characters personality through the art alone. DO you realize how powerful that is? not many mediums are able to encaptulate the emotion of a character in its entirety. You can note about these styles that each of them lack shading and are simplistic, yet all got high praise and recognition in the anime community. Was the style a disadvantage of watching each show? No. Not at all. In fact, I believe if it had an average, detailed and thorough style it would lose its charm entirely. The power of art in each of these shows goes to show that each character doesn't need to be perfect to be special, and distinctions even between characters can be noticeable. TL;DR A simplistic and unique art style doesn't make it lazy in the slightest. If done correctly, it can far surpass other styles in terms of smaller details of the fluidity and motion, as well as facial features and reactions. If you truly believe at this point that a simplistic art style means laziness, you really need to watch better anime lmao... Fuzzylumpkins said: ayaan692 said: having less details on the art dosent make it unique it just makes it lazy and bad even comparing it to sao it looks really bad visually Before I begin this discussion, I want to point out the errors you have stated. -Even comparing it to SAO, it looks bad visually. Oh, you bring up SAO? The anime which has one of the most overly bland art styles? Okay. Let me bring up a diagram for you. I'd now like to show you the distinctions between the art style in Sword Art Online, which comparably, has little to no difference between characters. Although having more detail, the combination of character design makes each character look like a carbon copy of one another. Here, I compare Kirito to Asuna. Facial difference? None. Most notable about this comparison is the fact that asuna looks like kirito with just longer hair and a different eye colour. Why is that? Oh! Lack of variety. TL;DR summary of the above image: no distinction between facial type, including: -nose -eye shape. -face shape. -body shape. -stance. -gesture. Here is a comparison of both the art style of Sword Art Online and Tower of God. Easily differences can be noted between the two images. The sword art online image contains what I like to call "The standard of anime", which in other-words means laziness. What does this image express to you about the character? His personality? Traits? Anything, really? Now, let me compare this to the chad ToG version. The sketchy art style, which some may call bland, is perfect in adding in distinction between scenes and can create absolute eye-candy. It's also a stylistic choice which has been incorporated in anime in the past, most notably in the line-work of Dragon Maid. e.g. Shading is not needed for this style. Its as simple as that. No, this isn't making me biased. Many styles have thrived on no shading to make it unique. I'd also like to mention the works of Yuasa, Masaaki, who I consider the godfather of unique styles, which happen to be simplistic and lacking in detail, but make it up completely by animation and design. Here is 3 series he has worked on; kaiba, eizouken, and ping pong the animation. These are all works by the same studio/creator, and yet.....All have different styles which can describe the characters personality through the art alone. DO you realize how powerful that is? not many mediums are able to encaptulate the emotion of a character in its entirety. You can note about these styles that each of them lack shading and are simplistic, yet all got high praise and recognition in the anime community. Was the style a disadvantage of watching each show? No. Not at all. In fact, I believe if it had an average, detailed and thorough style it would lose its charm entirely. The power of art in each of these shows goes to show that each character doesn't need to be perfect to be special, and distinctions even between characters can be noticeable. TL;DR A simplistic and unique art style doesn't make it lazy in the slightest. If done correctly, it can far surpass other styles in terms of smaller details of the fluidity and motion, as well as facial features and reactions. If you truly believe at this point that a simplistic art style means laziness, you really need to watch better anime lmao... What an absolute mad lad. 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Bhaskar_Singh said: DomineLkira said: Well i never said that the show is bad. I found it interesting and i think it deserves better animation. Yeah i enjoyed mob psycho which has a similar art style but can you say that this show will have the same kind of movement and fluidity like in Mob Psycho. Pretty sure we never getting that.So if a show doesn't have the same artstyle as 90% of anime it will be considered bad? Wow. Vinland Saga? That shit animation quality went downhill as fuck , even the art was inconsistent. Did we watch the same show? Demon Slayer? If we take out excessive computer effects it has it doesn't have much to offer in the animation department , apart from very few scenes. If you want to watch some actual good animation watch any KyoAni show or Mob Psycho 100 (both season) But no , you wouldn't like Mob Psycho right? Because it has a very different artstyle than most anime. This show is very well animated for a one cour seasonal anime. The art style is also pretty good and unique. Don't get high expectations if you were only able to find two examples of good animation from hundreds of shows last year (and even those two examples were bad) Edit : So you liked Mob Psycho (just checked your list)? You had no problems with the artstyle of mob but you have problems with art style of ToG? My god. I guess the reason is that it had great animation? yep i have seen some kyoto shows like Clanned,Violet Evergarden,Koe no Katachi. A bit of Hyouka,Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu,Kyoukai no Kanata. Some of these are insanely well animated so i dont get your point.Tog as it is now does not comes close to any of these. whats your point? Also all that crap you said about Vinland saga and demon slayer being badly animated, i dont really get it. First time hearing something like that for those shows. Do enlighten me what kind of shows you think are poorly animated and vice versa. What you consider as good animation? Read my first paragraph again , I never said that you mentioned the show was bad , I was talking about your point about the show's art being bad. Go re-read it in this context. Never said Vinland Saga's animation was bad per say , but it was very inconsistent and went downhill as fuck as the show went on , same with its art. Demon Slayer's animation is "good". That's it.It's quite sad that adding bunch of computer effects and moving CG backgrounds is considered the benchmark of great animation now. Look , I personally have no problems with the animation of demon slayer , it looks cool enough. But when people use it as a benchmark for great animation , the problem starts. My whole point about KyoAni shows was that the shows you mentioned aren't even as greatly animated as you make them sound. And now for my ACTUAL fucking point: Tower of God's animation is pretty fucking decent , and not having the same art as 90% of shows is something which should be praised. Not every studio has shit ton of money like ufotable (Unlimited Tax Money Works amirite guys?) to hide their decent looking animation behind a bunch of cool looking special effects. That's it. |
DomineLkiraApr 13, 2020 4:43 PM
Cosmic_Shit said: Since when Unique Art Style started being called lazy or bad ? Anime artstyle is clearly following the webtoon artstyle, and it looks pretty good Looking cool is the only thing that matters in this community. Demon Slayer's animation being more hyped then Mob Psycho's animation is the perfect example. |
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Bhaskar_Singh said: DomineLkira said: Read my first paragraph again , I never said that you mentioned the show was bad , I was talking about your point about the show's art being bad. Go re-read it in this context. Never said Vinland Saga's animation was bad per say , but it was very inconsistent and went downhill as fuck as the show went on , same with its art. Demon Slayer's animation is "good". That's it.It's quite sad that adding bunch of computer effects and moving CG backgrounds is considered the benchmark of great animation now. Look , I personally have no problems with the animation of demon slayer , it looks cool enough. But when people use it as a benchmark for great animation , the problem starts. My whole point about KyoAni shows was that the shows you mentioned aren't even as greatly animated as you make them sound. And now for my ACTUAL fucking point: Tower of God's animation is pretty fucking decent , and not having the same art as 90% of shows is something which should be praised. Not every studio has shit ton of money like ufotable (Unlimited Tax Money Works amirite guys?) to hide their decent looking animation behind a bunch of cool looking special effects. That's it. I feel you. i see you have a pretty primitive approach of judging a show's animation but that's fine. In my opinion for a show to be decent visually it needs everything on a constant level (art,animation,fluidity etc) unless we have extra ordinary fluid shows like mob psycho which is not the case with Tog. kyoto animation shows are just mesmerizing but they mostly make slice of like shows. Those shows mostly have still frames i which are greatly animated but its a frame. studios like ufotable,madhouse,production IG(WIT AND MAPPA),A1,Bones etc,they do the art as well as the movement better overall.thats what a decent animation is i my openion. i dont think kyoto was the right mention there.( i watch anime at 120 fps so i cover up the slight lack of movement with the extra frames, art is where it gets fucked up). and by mentioning the fact that ufotable has a lot of money, you are accepting that less money and work is being utilized on tog which implies that it has lazy animation. using less money and work does not make a show's animation unique and different than 90% of the anime as u mentioned.Its still bad and its visible. Thats exactly what a low quality animation is. remove all special effects form demon slayer and any other decent anime of recent time and it would still be number of times better that what we are getting in Tog now. You should watch "Orange" if u not already have. that show has much better art that Tog and is made by the exact same studio making Tog.(https://www.youtube.com/embed/RU2mPHp9Btk?enablejsapi=1&wmode=opaque&autoplay=1) That's exactly not what the show deserves and that's what my point is. i even saw this video like an idiot which increased my expectations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkTox8LhLI0 Tell me one thing. What is your main problem with the show? The title of your first post says animation , in your actual post you mention art , and now you again mentioned animation. When I say 90% anime look the same , I say it on the basis of their art styles. Not animation. You do realise art and animation are two different things , right. Well , you shouldn't have watched that video then because it is quite fake if you look the description. I am saying that the animation is decent for a sesonal. But in your post you talked about art right? Art. Art style. You said that it was bad. Which in my opinion is the wrong mindset while you watch a medium like anime. Not everything should look like the same shit. If a show is going for a different artstyle that's okay. It doesn't mean that they are low on money. Even the most poorly animated shows have refined artstyle that I think you will like. I haven't read the webtoon myself , but many readers are even saying in this thread that the anime art aims to be as close to the webtoon art , which is fine. It's not being lazy , it's called being different and creative. Kyoto Animation has arguably the best animation for a television anime. Not everything has to be fast and flashy to be considered "good". Have you watched the level of details in the animation of KyoAni? Of course ufotable has more money than this studio. Fate has fucking filled thier pockets. Plus they have been caught not paying their fucking taxes , so there is that. You watch anime at 120fps? My god. Wasn't 60fps ugly enough... I think just because there are few shows that are masterfully animated (which both of the shows you mentioned aren't) in a year , you shouldn't set your hopes and expectations TOO high. If there are 2 greatly animated shows , there are 100 decent and badly animated ones. Tower of god comes into the "decent" category for animation. Art is more of a personal taste. If you like generic bland character designs everytime you watch anime , more power to you. I personally like it. And I think it is a nice breath of fresh air in the medium where isekai is the most popular genre right now and half of them looks the same. Oh yeah , while I did criticise the over hyped animation of Demon Slayer , its art is actually pretty cool. |
Bhaskar_Singh said: In the age where we are getting shows like Demon Slayer And Vinland Saga (in recent) this looks trash. The art is bad. Character edges look rough. Not much but i personally expect some good cgi to make the show look more lively. Considering the hype this looks really bad visually. Haven't read the original story but heard its good so lets see if they improve in future or not. Edit:I am not comparing shows and anime studios.i know budget and time are major factors. I mentioned the shows cause they were released pretty recently and that kind of quality will be a standard pretty soon and of course i can name more shows but i dont have to cause most of you already know what i am talking about. I found the show pretty interesting and its just that i think it deserves much better animation quality than its getting right now. At least the art should be better imo. I know it felt pretty fluid but how can we say that when we still dont even have single fight sequence( Hope we get soon but i dont have any high expectations.) It is a reply to your edit. Wait what? You are saying the animation was bad , now you are saying it felt pretty fluid After that you are saying that how can we say that when we still don't even have a single fight sequence. Whatttt? Isn't it exactly the thing you did? I ask you again. You do realise art and animation are two different things right? |
Bhaskar_Singh said: That was a promotional video for a game studio, quite dumb to base your expectation on that because they only animate a few frames, not the entire series, and they don't storyboard or add VA to the story. i even saw this video like an idiot which increased my expectations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkTox8LhLI0 if you're talking about art I think it's ok. If anyone sees the images from the game I don't think they would remember it at all, it could be another 99% of the isekai story lmao. same characters from game and anime https://files.catbox.moe/cth7lb.jpg https://files.catbox.moe/pimkm9.jpg I preferred the anime art style because I draw myself, and it really does stand out overall, it captured the essence of their character very well. The game animation is ok but really generic, didn't feel the "ToG" quality to it. if you're talking about animation, I think there's quite some fluidity in the anak v Hatz fight scene, and even the scene where khun hung onto rak lol. it takes a while getting used to but yea different preferences. I've talked around with people on r/anime and such, and some really did like the artstyle and animation because "they are sick of seeing the same thing every anime". |
yuzuruhanyuuApr 14, 2020 4:26 AM
| @Bhaskar_Singh I was just chillin here reading some nice discussion about animation (i skip some troll's posts of course), and then i read your latest post, and now i have to ask about this: You said the animation is pretty fluid which is means 'ok' for you. But then again why did the title of this thread "why low quality animation" and not "why ok quality animation?"??? Is it just you being inconsistent or 'low quality' is equal to 'ok quality' in your head?. |
Jfs_Apr 14, 2020 6:01 AM
| Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
| @Bhaskar_Singh alright So for you animation is just about how good they visually look and how much money they put into it, but then again as far as i know animation and visuals is a different thing. but oh well, you do you i guess :) |
| Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
| I guess by animation you meant is art style.That is totally your opinion which has been directed by most of the anime representing a 'conventional' art style.So it will obviously be odd to consume a different.But you will get used to it in due time.I mean I was also put off by the art style in Ping Pong the Animation but it turned out be a pretty good show. |
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