I don't think this will be respected bro, good idea tho hope the thread survives xD |
| You won't get a civil discussion here, most of the haters will just ignore any argument you made and if they that they are losing the discussion they will just start to talking about how bad the fanbase it's and then later complain about how they were 'attacked' by them. Ignoring them or not taking them seriously seems a better way to handling them here. It's just not worty. |
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TheFirmSword said: For example I will start : The chimera ant arc was quite boring and not even the best arc of the show but people exaggerate by calling it the best arc in anime. LOL I'm currently watching the Chimera Ant arc and everyone around me hyped it so much that I end up asking "Is that it?" Well, I'm not even halfway there but I still have hope. --- As for my contribution: Clannad series is a big overrated mess and all the drama going on in After Story were consequences of characters' (mainly MC's) own stupid decisions so I don't understand how people can be sad and shed tears instead of being furious and screaming at the screen. I can write a whole rant about the stupid decisions but I will not, for now. |
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| Cowboy Bebop is shit with its only redeeming qualities are the music and the animation. |
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Psajdak said: TheFirmSword said: Chimera Ant arc was for me garbage because with some little tweaks, it could have Leorio as one of its main characters, instead of Komugi.The chimera ant arc was quite boring and not even the best arc of the show but people exaggerate by calling it the best arc in anime. P.s. please avoid personal attacks. Because, you know, Leorio IS one of the main characters. It was such a wasted chance. Not really. Leorio in the Chimera Ant arc would make absolutely zero sense because he's off doing his own goals and he would get raped by a bunch of the ants. And I guess to reply to the OP I guess it depends on what makes your taste is. For me it personally is the best arc because it has the most indepth writing, most dramatic moments and unique compared to other arcs. But it's understandably very boring to lots of people because it doesn't have that usual bin-gable quality of the other arcs and its super looong. And to add my own controversial opinion: Shigastu wa Kimi no Uso is pretty bad imo. Story dragged on longer than it should have, the comedy and dialouge was terrible, and the only likable character was Kousei. |
| Inb4 thread is locked. Anyway, Chimera Ant Arc was better in the Manga. Anime made it too drawn out. |
Milk_is_Special said: Cowboy Bebop is shit with its only redeeming qualities are the music and the animation. Why? Just because it's an episodic anime? |
| I don't think this is going to go down well, but okay. Ergo Proxy is one of the most painfully boring shows I've ever seen in my life. The characters and story honestly aren't that bad in isolation, but the animation and art style aren't enough to make it exciting. Everything is a dull grey and brown and it's paced like molasses, so when the stuff that's supposed to be shocking and exciting does happen, it doesn't land with the punch it needs to. I just sort of sit there and go "oh... okay. I could be watching something fun right now." |
TheFirmSword said: franzdrake said: Not really. Leorio in the Chimera Ant arc would make absolutely zero sense because he's off doing his own goals and he would get raped by a bunch of the ants. And I guess to reply to the OP I guess it depends on what makes your taste is. For me it personally is the best arc because it has the most indepth writing, most dramatic moments and unique compared to other arcs. But it's understandably very boring to lots of people because it doesn't have that usual bin-gable quality of the other arcs and its super looong. Not to disagree with you that but was it that dramatic though? I mean if we talk about the final fight if we count out the narrator the main story didn't have that much depth in it even compared to the other arcs, but netero vs meruem was out of this world. I personally think it is. In this arc we see Gon's downward spiral to the point of giving up his life. We see Pouf descend into madness. Killua doubting his friendship with Gon and having a literal mental breakdown. Kite getting killed. Meruem discovering his humanity. Netero's suicide etc. And not to mention the numerous themes about humanity in this arc. We don't see this amount of emotional intensity and depth in the other previous arcs hence it's the most dramatic even if you think it's the most boring. |
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franzdrake said: TheFirmSword said: Not to disagree with you that but was it that dramatic though? I mean if we talk about the final fight if we count out the narrator the main story didn't have that much depth in it even compared to the other arcs, but netero vs meruem was out of this world. I personally think it is. In this arc we see Gon's downward spiral to the point of giving up his life. We see Pouf descend into madness. Killua doubting his friendship with Gon and having a literal mental breakdown. Kite getting killed. Meruem discovering his humanity. Netero's suicide etc. And not to mention the numerous themes about humanity in this arc. We don't see this amount of emotional intensity and depth in the other previous arcs hence it's the most dramatic even if you think it's the most boring. Agreed.Let me once again highlight that the whole Meruem becoming more human while Gon loses his humanity is a brilliant juxtaposition.Even though Gon and Meruem technically never met,they alone are connected through those opposing character arcs. |
SummerynApr 12, 2020 3:07 PM
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TheFirmSword said: Okay let's have a discussion, someone will comment on a particular thing they disliked in a certain anime series and if you're a big fan of the show describe (not being harsh or insulting the person) why he/she is wrong. Let's just have a friendly discussion. For example I will start : The chimera ant arc was quite boring and not even the best arc of the show but people exaggerate by calling it the best arc in anime. P.s. please avoid personal attacks. Your experience with the chimera arc would have been different if people didn't hype the shit out of this arc. chimera arc is great but even i ( watched both 1999 and 2011 version) hate the way people think it's 5deep6u In fact here is a funny story about the exact arc, i was watching this youtuber talking about the arc saying the hunter x hunter the "x" referes to gon hunting his father hence him becoming hunter hunting the hunter ( his father) Deep isn't ? Well no, cause in the managa togashi sometimes answer people questions (can't remmeber which chapter) someone asked him why name the managa HxH and he replied " cause on my fav comedy show my fav character used to repeat everything twice, so i decided to call it hunter x hunter) People overthink stuff. the arc is great. it could have been better if it wasn't that long in the start. |
hisokathebutcherApr 12, 2020 3:14 PM
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It kind of relates to his childish nature which is what makes him selfish.As long as the enemy benefits him and his friends,it doesn't matter if it's a serial murderer that has killed dozens of people-he'll take a liking to that individual regardless of his/her crimes.He however,directed that question towards a phantom troupe member,people who have inconvenienced him and his friends,so of course he´ll hate them. This video explains that really well. |
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Psajdak said: franzdrake said: Why would I care about him doing his own goals; his role as (supposed) main character is to be on screen, so that I can actually see him doing things, just like Gon, and Killua were, and to some degree Kurapika who, let't be honest, was also ignored post Yorknew City arc.Not really. Leorio in the Chimera Ant arc would make absolutely zero sense because he's off doing his own goals and he would get raped by a bunch of the ants. Do you have any idea what it means when one of the main characters isn't around FOR YEARS? The whole point of Komugi was that she, human being who was good at one thing only, but still better than someone as talented as Meruem, was what made him more human, so to speak. Maybe not as Gungi player, but Leorio could have been written as someone who would become close to Meruem; it's not like he would need to actually fight Chimera Ants, since he isn't much of a fighter anyway. But it wouldn't make sense in context of his character. Why would Leorio tag along with Gon if he wants to be a doctor while Gon wants to find his father? While Kurapika and Leorio are both fantastic characters, having them in Greed island and CA would ruin the uniqueness of each of them. They are their own people with their own goals, they aren't dependent on Gon. Hunter x Hunter was never an anime reliant on it's main characters hence they switch MCs in some arcs like Yorknew and current manga arc for example. If it makes you feel better. Leorio and Kurapika are the current MCs in the manga arc while Gon and Killua are nowhere to be seen. |
franzdrakeApr 12, 2020 3:21 PM
Psajdak said: franzdrake said: Why would I care about him doing his own goals; his role as (supposed) main character is to be on screen, so that I can actually see him doing things, just like Gon, and Killua were, and to some degree Kurapika who, let't be honest, was also ignored post Yorknew City arc.Not really. Leorio in the Chimera Ant arc would make absolutely zero sense because he's off doing his own goals and he would get raped by a bunch of the ants. Do you have any idea what it means when one of the main characters isn't around FOR YEARS? The whole point of Komugi was that she, human being who was good at one thing only, but still better than someone as talented as Meruem, was what made him more human, so to speak. Maybe not as Gungi player, but Leorio could have been written as someone who would become close to Meruem; it's not like he would need to actually fight Chimera Ants, since he isn't much of a fighter anyway. I agree with Leorio being in the Chimera Ant arc, it would have been great having more of him, though I don't necessarily agree with where you'd want him. He could have been a main supporting character, but having him get close to Meruem defeats the purpose of Komugi, and Leorio would not have been a great replacement for her. That ending with Meruem and Komugi was masterful, how would we get that if Leorio instead took Komugi's place? And yeah he hasn't been shown to be as great a fighter as others, but his abilities weren't shown up until this point. They could have totally given him an ability that synergized well with one of the other casts, like imagine if instead of teleporting his arm he could teleport anyone's arm, and how well that would have worked with Knuckle. He could team up with Knuckle, just putting APR on any of the ants using the element of surprise, showing us how each ant dealt with it. They could have also made his ability more medical focused and have him a central part of the Kite story arc. Seriously I love the idea of Leorio being a part of the Chimera Ant arc, but I just can't see him being close to Meruem as a good move, it'd either remove or be overshadowed by one of the best parts of the arc, Komugi's relationship with the king. |
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| This tread failed, it’s just a Hunter x Hunter discussion. |
| I seriously thought that I'm the only one who is bitching about Chimera Ant Arc on these forums. OT: Samurai Champloo is WAYYY better than Cowboy Bebop (and this comes from the fan of both series and die-hard fan of Shinichiro Watanabe). |
Nefelupitou said: Code Geass is an average anime and Lelouch is the most overrated character in universe. Have a nice week, folks Lelouch may not be particularly interesting, but Zero is phenomenal. His entire storyarc is a very fun adaptation of the rise, fall, and return of King Arthur. Many of the direct references to Arthurian legend aren't even subtle but they still seem to be missed frequently. |
AshitaNoJonas said: No, I have quite a few episodic shows that I absolutely adore. It's just that nothing interesting happens, and the character interactions are quite bland and boring in my opinion.Milk_is_Special said: Cowboy Bebop is shit with its only redeeming qualities are the music and the animation. Why? Just because it's an episodic anime? |
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TodAboT said: Well, the thing the OP said also didn't explain anything, it just said it was boring. But if you want my explanation. Nothing interesting happens, and the character interactions are quite bland and boring in my opinion.Milk_is_Special said: Cowboy Bebop is shit with its only redeeming qualities are the music and the animation. Not much discussion can be made if you just state something and don't explain why. |
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It started out a great crime drama with a solid criminal-detective dynamic, but once was introduced everything that was great about the show was thrown away. |
Peaceful_Critic said: nanimeanswhat said: From what I know, most of the drama was done pretty organically or wasn't even there because of a stupid(or any) decision a character made. Clannad series is a big overrated mess and all the drama going on in After Story were consequences of characters' (mainly MC's) own stupid decisions so I don't understand how people can be sad and shed tears instead of being furious and screaming at the screen. I can write a whole rant about the stupid decisions but I will not, for now. OP: Most of 5-toubun no Hanayome cast was done poorly and I didn't care for a single character in that show. The only thing I liked about them is their designs and how well the show often posed them. I get your point but by saying stupid decisions I was talking about the entirety of After Story. Clannad itself is simply just boring but it's honestly a lot more logical than After Story. It's an unpopular opinion but I really do think Clannad is better than After Story. |
bluninjaApr 12, 2020 4:44 PM
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ASaid said: I agree that Chimera Ant Arc is overrated but it isn't bad, I do agree that Komugi was one of the weakest things about the arc, her and Meruem nearly put me to sleep. More Leorio would be great. I personally find that hilarious since I also consider Chimera Ant overrated, but have the exact opposite opinion on Komugi and Meruem scenes, to me they were what saved the arc. You had Komugi who had no preconceptions on what Meruem was by sight, so she formed perceptions based purely on what she heard and felt and how he played the game, and by contrast Meruem slowly had his opinion on humans themselves reversed by seeing this young girl that showed the resilience and adaptability of a species he thought was beneath him in every way. But on the flip side, just for how long Chimera Ant is it felt like not that much actually happened. Most of the fights, especially in the latter half, were very dragged out or in some cases felt like they barely contributed to the plot and the emotional impact of most of the scenes outside of Komugi and Meruem (and that one scene with Gon) felt rather lost on me and did not justify taking almost 70 episodes. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: @nanimeanswhat Can you remove one of the o's in your / spoiler? I'll respond after that's been done. Already done. I've realised it after I sent it, sorry. I hope no one saw it T_T |
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Psajdak said: I agree that it would have been better. Meruem fucking Leorio > Meruem fucking Komugi.TheFirmSword said: Chimera Ant arc was for me garbage because with some little tweaks, it could have Leorio as one of its main characters, instead of Komugi. Because, you know, Leorio IS one of the main characters. It was such a wasted chance.The chimera ant arc was quite boring and not even the best arc of the show but people exaggerate by calling it the best arc in anime. P.s. please avoid personal attacks. |
Milk_is_Special said: and also that chick who wants Spike's dick so much. She's cool too.Cowboy Bebop is shit with its only redeeming qualities are the music and the animation. |
YuisGiita said: that was my main issue with it, but I still think it has one of the best 1st episodes ever. It's a shame how many shows there are with strong first episodes but can't cross the finish line, season 1 of Symphogear comes to mind. Edit: spelling |
S-H-I-N-YApr 12, 2020 7:16 PM
| I don't know where does the narrative of replacing Komugi with Leorio come from. Is Leorio blind, frail and a genius at one single little thing that can drive a supervillain mad? Unless you give me a character with at least a similarly fragile character design and similarly helpless you are missing the point of the arc and it's no longer about improving it, it's about how you could simply just move on to another show because you are not making a sensical alternative to the story and Meruem's whole character arc as they are. |
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jal90 said: Hunter x Hunter 2011 spoilers:I don't know where does the narrative of replacing Komugi with Leorio come from. Is Leorio blind, frail and a genius at one single little thing that can drive a supervillain mad? Unless you give me a character with at least a similarly fragile character design and similarly helpless you are missing the point of the arc and it's no longer about improving it, it's about how you could simply just move on to another show because you are not making a sensical alternative to the story and Meruem's whole character arc as they are. |
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