| I read many novels like this that are Japanese or Chinese they have similarities and differences they are not all the same. |
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| Because every since Konosuba existed, Most other Isekai writers want to copy off of it and do the isekai comedy thing, OR they'll just not put any effort into it whilst putting in nothing but Comedy, Fake suspense, and Romance. |
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| As much as I agree that isekai are different, I feel obliged to point out that SAO isn't an isekai. The continued existence of the virtual world is built in and dependent upon the real world, an isekai needs a clear distinction between dimensions. You could maybe make a case for Alicization being an isekai, but not SAO as a whole. |
| Roses are red, violets are blue The words ahead are false The words behind are true |
| OP how were you able to write with a straight face that the settings were different. I'm genuinely curious. |
| Because thatanimesnob said so! He mention isekai alot in his review. Because of him i stood clear from most mainstreams/generic shows up to this point. |
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| Because a lot of them are the same, and everyone exaggerates. |
| I will toss in my taughts on it all. A simple explanation I can give on how I feel about isekai is that all of them are singing the same damn song but plays a different melody. but that´s what you see in all anime´s. Be it sport be it sci-fi or mech they all sing the same song but have a different melody to stand out in their own way some fail some don´t. But after seeing a few it all starts to feel like how battle royale feels for video gaming now you get sick of it and it becomes you seen one battle royal game then you have seen them all because they don´t bring something new to the table they more just change a few things to stand out. And in the end they over saturate the market. There are many isekai´s I hate and many I like but even if I like the idea im starting to get sick of isekai overall. |
TheKawaiiToon said: This.Because people don't look beyond the picture. I don't mind people dismissing interest in a genre because of how it looks. But they ought to be honorable and state on what basis that dismissal was conceived. Like, it's perfectly fair to say "I don't like how this genre generally looks, so I am not interested in watching it". But it's another thing to say "This entire genre is the same" on the basis of "It looks the same to me, and I haven't bothered checking any deeper than looks". Besides, it's not hugely meaningful to say "this genre is the same". If all one's point is is to point out a similarity, then of course genres are gonna be similar. Do please be specific in what you feel makes up that sameness; if you can, call it your own feeling. It's okay if you feel this way! |
GlennMagusHarveyMar 2, 2020 2:11 PM
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mono_mer said: The real problem is that they have the same copied world. So even if an isekai is really good, it still feels ... RPG, not the real thing. Btw is still amazes me that there is no Harry potter isekai, future isekai, dinosaur age isekai, alien isekai etc. Same copied world? Youjo senki, now and then here and there, mondaiji, 12 kingdoms, escaflown, honzuki, NGNl and so on are definitely very unique worlds, regardless of peoples ' opinion about the stories. When something is popular, you'll get a lot of stuff that you need to ignore to find the more original ones. If peoples don't do that simple thing (for example, peoples complain about isekai being always the same yet they go watch run of the mill isekai during autumn rather than honzuki that has very low number of watchers on MAL despite being one of the highest rated isekai show on MAL of those last few years) |
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L0rdV1ct0r said: JoyBoy_316 said: OP how were you able to write with a straight face that the settings were different. I'm genuinely curious. Because they ARE. Do you really think that Drifters world, Gate world, Digimon's world, Orverlord World, Log Horizon's world, etc are the same? That the MC are somehow similar? That a elder lich necromancer and a slime has something in common? Even if you look to RPG inspired isekais, Overlord is heavily D&D 3.5e inspired, spells like Fireball are 3rd tier in both games, spells like wail of the banshee 9th tier, metamagic, etc; are part of the game's world. And on log horizon, they have everything that a generic wow clone mmo has, but they don't try to explain cooldowns for eg, despite explaining almost everything... I can see that your concept of different doesn't go further than surface level things, rimiru is different because he is a slime or eins is different because he is a skeleton from that same logic I can also say that goku and luffy are extremely different from one another because one is an alien that can turn into a giant ape and change his hair color as he wish and the other is just a human with a rubber body, I'll give it to you that ains is different since he is a villain and all but what are rimiru's character traits, he is a nice guy who is pretty carefree and likes to help anyone that he comes across because he is a nice guy, Same thing I could say for the MC in death march to the parallel world, to another world with my smartphone, isekai cheat magician and so on. Outside of his gimmick of being a slime what separates rimiru from any of those other MCs? Also your argument here is pretty disingenious, most people will agree that digimon is a completely different from modern isekai and if not for technicality's sake wouldn't even group them together. When that criticism is made it mostly partake to the more recent crop of isekai all following the formula of an overpowered mc being send in a medieval fantasy world. And also saying that the world are different because they use different magic systems isn't saying much, it's like saying yu yu hakusho and jojo bizarre adventure have completely different world because one has stands and the other uses spiritual energy even though most of their stories are taking place in our world. At the end of day they're just the things the author uses to explain the characters supernatural abilities. They can be tied to worldbuilding but summirizing one at just those powers doesn't work. What is a description of the world in overlord, a fantasy world that has many simularities with medieval europe and has creature like goblins, mages, dragons, elves and so on. Slime medieval fantasy with goblins, dragons, mages and so on. Gate medieval fantasy with mages, dragons, goblins and so on. Same thing for re zero, death march, konosuba, shield hero, isekai maou and so on. It's not even like I want to shit on the genre or anything, I enjoyed most of the shows mentioned here and there is indeed a few isekai with quite unique worlds like tanya the evil and NGNL, but I'm not gonna pretend that those aren't far and between and that most of the genre doesn't just follow a template for a lot of the things in them. |
JoyBoy_316Mar 2, 2020 2:56 PM
advocatus said: Even Harem shows are more different than Isekai shows. Show me 20 pictures of Isekai MCs and I can't even tell you 5 of their names. The characters are generic and interchangeable. The plots are blueprints. The main characters are insanely overpowered... Not true. Ainz from overlord  Shiroe from log horizon  Nobunaga from Drifters  JoyBoy_316 said: (...)to you that ains is different since he is a villain and all but what are rimiru's character traits, he is a nice guy who is pretty carefree and likes to help anyone that he comes across because he is a nice guy, Same thing I could say for the MC in death march to the parallel world, to another world with my smartphone, isekai cheat magician and so on. Outside of his gimmick of being a slime what separates rimiru from any of those other MCs? Also your argument here is pretty disingenious, most people will agree that digimon is a completely different from modern isekai and if not for technicality's sake wouldn't even group them together. When that criticism is made it mostly partake to the more recent crop of isekai all following the formula of an overpowered mc being send in a medieval fantasy world. And also saying that the world are different because they use different magic systems isn't saying much, it's like saying yu yu hakusho and jojo bizarre adventure have completely different world because one has stands and the other uses spiritual energy even though most of their stories are taking place in our world. At the end of day they're just the things the author uses to explain the characters supernatural abilities. They can be tied to worldbuilding but summirizing one at just those powers doesn't work. What is a description of the world in overlord, a fantasy world that has many simularities with medieval europe and has creature like goblins, mages, dragons, elves and so on. Slime medieval fantasy with goblins, dragons, mages and so on. Gate medieval fantasy with mages, dragons, goblins and so on. Same thing for re zero, death march, konosuba, shield hero, isekai maou and so on. (...) Being a smile affects what the MC can and cannot do. And he isn't OP. As for Ainz, being a "vilain" is not the unique difference. Being affected by the undead template is the major difference. You see that he seems sexually attracted to Albedo BEFORE going to the new world and becoming affected by the undead template. And losing the empathy and sexual desire. As for most stories being set in a fantasy version of Europe. IT doesn't makes then the same. Just like most cowboy movies are set during the "wild west" and most slice of live in high school. You can don't like the setting but if you look to gaming, baldur's gate 3 is being criticized by not looking and feeling like baldur's gate 1/2. Gothic 4 was so heavily criticized by not being nothing like Gothic 1/2/3 that the devs even changed the name and now arcania is not canon.Looking to superficial similarities like "goblins, mages, dragons, elves" is not fair. Mainly when each of this elements can be completely different. Or do you think that magic in Harry Potter, in Overlord and in Log HOrizon are the same? That goblins aren't different on Goblin slayer? There there aren't tons of myths of dragons, Chinese dragons, Eastern European dragons and Western Dragons? |
L0rdV1ct0r said: Being a smile affects what the MC can and cannot do. And he isn't OP. As for Ainz, being a "vilain" is not the unique difference. Being affected by the undead template is the major difference. You see that he seems sexually attracted to Albedo BEFORE going to the new world and becoming affected by the undead template. And losing the empathy and sexual desire. You didn't answer my question, what separates him from other MCs outside of being a slime. And lol the only thing he can't do is bang his harem which is the same for all the other MCs expect he has an actual excuse. L0rdV1ct0r said: As for most stories being set in a fantasy version of Europe. IT doesn't makes then the same. Just like most cowboy movies are set during the "wild west" and most slice of live in high school. İ don't mind the European setting in itself, I just think it's indicative of the laziness in most of these shows. Even some people in the industry can agree on that. The entire premise of girlish number was making fun of them and their productions and that show came out in 2016.Even in the first ep of shield hero naofumi makes fun of that world and how light novely it's before being sent there. Cowboy movies, I wonder why they aren't that many of them being made today. As for high school setting most of these shows are romance, comedy, sports and sol aka the setting is just a backdrop for the story, it's the characters, the romance, comedy and so on that are the selling points. Whereas isekai literally means ANOTHER WORLD and they are mostly tagged as fantasies and adventures so İ'm sorry if I had higher expectations of their worlds instead of the same copy/paste thing. L0rdV1ct0r said: You can don't like the setting but if you look to gaming, baldur's gate 3 is being criticized by not looking and feeling like baldur's gate 1/2. Gothic 4 was so heavily criticized by not being nothing like Gothic 1/2/3 that the devs even changed the name and now arcania is not canon.Looking to superficial similarities like "goblins, mages, dragons, elves" is not fair. Mainly when each of this elements can be completely different. Or do you think that magic in Harry Potter, in Overlord and in Log HOrizon are the same? That goblins aren't different on Goblin slayer? There there aren't tons of myths of dragons, Chinese dragons, Eastern European dragons and Western Dragons? Those are franchises that have build up expections I too would be pissed if Ubisoft released a game set in a futuristic city but still called it Assassin's creed. Whereas isekais don't have that, none of them share the same story or universe and there were some isekais in the 90s and early 2000s that had different settings like Inuyasha, the only expectation is sending the MC to world different from ours not just a medieval European one. Again magic is just one aspect of the world and even then outside of a few exceptions 90% of the shows still use the same RPG based one. Goblins are different in goblin slayer and slime but are the same in the other 90% of shows. You just want to mention the few exceptions and ignore the majority which is what people are complaining about. Chinese dragons? How many of those have you seen in these shows? |
JoyBoy_316Mar 3, 2020 4:00 AM
| Because the vast majority of them are male weeb power fantasies. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| @L0rdV1ct0r Oh God, I'm starting to wonder if you're an extremely elaborate troll or what. I don't care if your mc is a billion years old cthulhu ripoff that can pull lazers out of his ass or is as simple and normal as my neighbor next door. What I care about is his personnality, his character traits, rimiru being a slime is nothing more than a gimmick when it comes to actual character traits he is no different than your average isekai mc and yes a normal human can break out of a prison that's why the phrase prison break is a thing. And also nobody says isekais is just rpg world, we say it's medieval world which magic system are most of the time just the same rpg template mostly inspired from dragon quest. Everybody and their mom knows what fallout is I have no idea what you were trying to do here. You know what just google character traits and worldbuilding or look in a dictionnary because me I'm done here. |
JoyBoy_316Mar 3, 2020 7:47 AM
| Because most of them just gets unique power that they never worked for outside of dying or just getting transported, its why I love Mondaiji, cause they already had powers before getting isekai'd. I hate isekai's where MC's get too strong for no reason and gets a harem. KonoSuba is yet another exception because Kazuma didn't get an OP power, dude got an OP pries tho but comes at a huge price (you know what that price is fellow KonoSuba lovers) |
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L0rdV1ct0r said: katsucats said: In every not. In majority? Yes. A key property of isekais is that the alternate world awakens MC to a suppressed angst and makes them realize a fuller life. This is true in every isekai. Every. Single. One. The two anime you listed are perfect examples to my point. L0rdV1ct0r said: Yep, another one of those of the numerous "historical figures reincarnate" series -- and one that I've also seen. Toyohisa, after getting his entire army routed, almost manages to kill his archnemesis after narrowly missing a point blank range shot, then wanders off in regret while he bleeds out... and finds himself in a new land filled with other heroes he could fight. It's almost textbook isekai -- exactly what I've been describing all along.This is one reason that i liked Drifters. A lot of historical figures goes to the "new world"... L0rdV1ct0r said: That doesn't even come close to mattering. Just because someone isn't completely happy with his life doesn't make it necessary to focus on that aspect as the primary theme.How many percentage of the world population are 100% happy with the family? Job? Friends? And everything else? L0rdV1ct0r said: Sure, I can agree with that.I only don't like when they summon useless piece of shits as MCs like the smartphone isekai. Seriously. Imagine that you are in a typical medieval fantasy world and needs to summon someone from this world to help with a war against Orcs. Who would you summon? A ) A professional hitman that killed dozens of people, know how to make blackpowder, smokeless powder, how to make modern weaponry, understand a lot of the RL technology and can help you preparing traps, guerrilla warfare, making the weaponry of your army advance hundreds of years and communication technology B ) A teenager who can't even run 50m, can't lift weight, can't live without his parents help, if magic exists in the new world, is too undisciplined and dumb to learn(...) This is one reason that i liked Drifters. A lot of historical figures goes to the "new world"... L0rdV1ct0r said: I was thinking this earlier today. JRPG protagonists are traditionally silent to fulfill the self-insert role for the player, who lives in the "real world". Isekais, the majority of them, are like meta JRPGs that allow the audience to, insert of inserting themselves directly into a game, insert themselves into an alternate "real world" that throws them into a game. Isekai's are like 2D imagination Nerve Gears (from SAO).And guess what. On most good RPG's you goes from nothing to godlike. On Gothic 1, you goes from another convict in the penal colony that any wolf can tear you apart in a fraction of second to a guy capable of defeating a archdevil that is worshiped as a God. And when you pay for someone to teach you how to use one handed weapons, your animation and stance changes. Hell, even shonen protagonists follow a similar progression. See Luffy on OP starting as a average capitain in east blue and now able to tangle with the most powerful guys on new world like Katakuri. |
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L0rdV1ct0r said: I think you don't understand still. Shoyo Hinata from Haikyuu and Hanamichi Sakuragi from Slam Dunk have completely different character traits, personality, hair, height, angst, and background. But they are both characters whose love for a sport and jumping potential helped overcome their initial inexperience to help them get recognized as intimidating players. They are both "inspiration" learners, for lack of a better word, that follow the fighting shounen formula of characters being stagnant for some time before gaining some random insight, when they suddenly gain new powers for improvement (think Goku's Super Saiyan or Naruto's Rasengan, or Yu Yu Hakusho's spirit cave training, or Hunter x Hunter's nen training -- which are all different, but functional equivalents of each other). That means despite all the differences, Shoyo Hinata and Hanamichi Sakuragi play exactly the same role. In the thematic context, they are the same character. Not just because they are both MC's in a sports anime, but because of the numerous other theme and plot similarities. JoyBoy_316 said: Oh God, I'm starting to wonder if you're an extremely elaborate troll or what. I don't care if your mc is a billion years old cthulhu ripoff that can pull lazers out of his ass or is as simple and normal as my neighbor next door. What I care about is his personnality, his character traits, rimiru being a slime is nothing more than a gimmick when it comes to actual character traits he is no different than your average isekai mc and yes a normal human can break out of a prison that's why the phrase prison break is a thing. And also nobody says isekais is just rpg world, we say it's medieval world which magic system are most of the time just the same rpg template mostly inspired from dragon quest. Everybody and their mom knows what fallout is I have no idea what you were trying to do here. You know what just google character traits and worldbuilding or look in a dictionnary because me I'm done here. You din't understood. The world building of Log Horizon and Overlord ARE completely different. The MC too. It doesn't matter that Toyohisa from Drifters and Ichirou Suzuki have completely different character traits, jobs, are from different time periods, have different levels of respect, have different styles, different angst, etc. They play exactly the same role of people who are just barely hanging on in their respective lives until they were given a second chance to make a difference in the world and find life fulfillment. |
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| Anything that someone isn't all that familiar with will appear to all be the same since they haven't trained themselves to notice their differences. People have the saying that "all Asians look the same" as well as "all white people look the same". In anime things like "all moe anime are the same", "all idol anime are the same", "all battle shounen are the same", and "all mecha are the same" are common opinions to have because those people aren't interesting in those genres and therefore can't tell the individual titles apart. The same is for isekai. |
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zombie_pegasus said: This is quite a ridiculous strawman, but to wit, the human DNA is 98% the same, and there are numerous arcs in everyone's lives that are vastly similar. I think people who aren't cognizant of these similarities just notice surface-level differences because they've turned their minds off watching.Anything that someone isn't all that familiar with will appear to all be the same since they haven't trained themselves to notice their differences. People have the saying that "all Asians look the same" as well as "all white people look the same". In anime things like "all moe anime are the same", "all idol anime are the same", "all battle shounen are the same", and "all mecha are the same" are common opinions to have because those people aren't interesting in those genres and therefore can't tell the individual titles apart. The same is for isekai. It's like noticing the Lexus RC300 and Infiniti Q60 as entry-level coupes of respective luxury brands. They're completely analogous to each other positioned in the marketplace by Nissan and Toyota respectively. And then some guy comes along and says, "But one car is white and the other is red!" Or "One car is 300hp and the other is 241hp!" Or "The cars have different front/rear weight ratios!" Durrr. "You haven't trained yourselves to notice the difference!" No, Sherlock. We see the differences. It's just that we see the more important similarities. But, you know, if you want to argue that Kirito's sister is more outgoing than Sakuta's sister (from Bunnygirl Senpai), while completely ignoring that they both exist to add a siscon dimension, or if you want to argue that Filo (from Shield Hero) is a bird, and Arisa (from Death March) isn't, despite that they're both underage slave girls who sexually want the protagonist and their master and serve the same purpose within their respective worlds, then I guess who am I to tell you to think harder? |
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katsucats said: So you're basically saying that not only are isekai all the same but anime in general are all the same? We define things as genres because of their similarities and it's mostly the people who love those genres who care about the differences each title has from its neighbours.zombie_pegasus said: This is quite a ridiculous strawman, but to wit, the human DNA is 98% the same, and there are numerous arcs in everyone's lives that are vastly similar. I think people who aren't cognizant of these similarities just notice surface-level differences because they've turned their minds off watching.Anything that someone isn't all that familiar with will appear to all be the same since they haven't trained themselves to notice their differences. People have the saying that "all Asians look the same" as well as "all white people look the same". In anime things like "all moe anime are the same", "all idol anime are the same", "all battle shounen are the same", and "all mecha are the same" are common opinions to have because those people aren't interesting in those genres and therefore can't tell the individual titles apart. The same is for isekai. It's like noticing the Lexus RC300 and Infiniti Q60 as entry-level coupes of respective luxury brands. They're completely analogous to each other positioned in the marketplace by Nissan and Toyota respectively. And then some guy comes along and says, "But one car is white and the other is red!" Or "One car is 300hp and the other is 241hp!" Or "The cars have different front/rear weight ratios!" Durrr. "You haven't trained yourselves to notice the difference!" No, Sherlock. We see the differences. It's just that we see the more important similarities. But, you know, if you want to argue that Kirito's sister is more outgoing than Sakuta's sister (from Bunnygirl Senpai), while completely ignoring that they both exist to add a siscon dimension, or if you want to argue that Filo (from Shield Hero) is a bird, and Arisa (from Death March) isn't, despite that they're both underage slave girls who sexually want the protagonist and their master and serve the same purpose within their respective worlds, then I guess who am I to tell you to think harder? |
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zombie_pegasus said: Sure, if you want to take things to some useless meta reduction.katsucats said: So you're basically saying that not only are isekai all the same but anime in general are all the same? We define things as genres because of their similarities and it's mostly the people who love those genres who care about the differences each title has from its neighbours.This is quite a ridiculous strawman, but to wit, the human DNA is 98% the same, and there are numerous arcs in everyone's lives that are vastly similar. I think people who aren't cognizant of these similarities just notice surface-level differences because they've turned their minds off watching. It's like noticing the Lexus RC300 and Infiniti Q60 as entry-level coupes of respective luxury brands. They're completely analogous to each other positioned in the marketplace by Nissan and Toyota respectively. And then some guy comes along and says, "But one car is white and the other is red!" Or "One car is 300hp and the other is 241hp!" Or "The cars have different front/rear weight ratios!" Durrr. "You haven't trained yourselves to notice the difference!" No, Sherlock. We see the differences. It's just that we see the more important similarities. But, you know, if you want to argue that Kirito's sister is more outgoing than Sakuta's sister (from Bunnygirl Senpai), while completely ignoring that they both exist to add a siscon dimension, or if you want to argue that Filo (from Shield Hero) is a bird, and Arisa (from Death March) isn't, despite that they're both underage slave girls who sexually want the protagonist and their master and serve the same purpose within their respective worlds, then I guess who am I to tell you to think harder? inb4 you state that all analyses are reductive, yet justify how you've been magically granted the power of thought. |
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katsucats said: zombie_pegasus said: Sure, if you want to take things to some useless meta reduction.So you're basically saying that not only are isekai all the same but anime in general are all the same? We define things as genres because of their similarities and it's mostly the people who love those genres who care about the differences each title has from its neighbours. inb4 you state that all analyses are reductive, yet justify how you've been magically granted the power of thought. Can I butt in and speak a piece of my opinion regarding some commentors in these thread being reductive? I just don't think they're trying to devalue a more hermeneutic way of seeing Isekai in favor of personal biases - it's that they just aren't familiar with that kind of syntaxes when it comes to arguing things and the likes. Most people (at least with my years of experience in MAL) in here aren't too fond of discussions with a "conceptual pretext" in the beginning, like you'll first have to break down all the elements one-by-one then reconstruct them thereafter, leading to a conclusion that isekais tends to be more similar from structural context than when compared to thematic ones (of which I can agree, and I enjoy almost all arguments of such nature). That's why someone eventually gave a piece of his mind that it's just people being lazy, whether it's a lexical issue (some vs majority vs all) or people just undermining the faculty of the mind to create associative ideas and impressions. It's not about thinking harder, because making them think harder can only backfire - they will either resort to a very generalized assumption, or will strive to give you more specific particularities that may or may not benefit the discussion. That said, you can also look at their comments for signs of "presentism". Maybe you can also explain to them the dilemma of comparing Konosuba vs 1st season of Digimon. I think I can at least see a sliver of empathy as to why they think some things are different if you look at it this way, but considering how one preferably shouldn't fall into the trap of presentism attributing isekai elements on a lot of older shows and therefore concluding that they can really be different if one can really be specific about it, then it's not a surprise some will really resist your valid take on thematic vs structural congruencies. As to why, it feels like I'm ordering you to write or talk about something in my stead, that just shows I really think you're way better and more capable at putting context into their responses, and you being a bit aggressive can also help a lot, so... hehe. xD |
L0rdV1ct0r said: Mirai said: Because the basic premise is the same most of the time. Loser otaku gets transported into another world, somehow ends up having to save said world. Featuring dozens of girls wanting his dick. Not true. Technically Digimon is a Isekai. The greed Island arc of Hiatus X hiatus and makai saga of YYH are isekais too. ??? Can't speak on the others, but HxH isn't even remotely close to being an isekai. Greed Island arc included. |
| Oh so there IS a few gimmicky superficial differences that just scream "I want to be a unique show but don't want any of the hard work associated with it." So what? |
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L0rdV1ct0r said: Roses are red, and violets are blue, but they are both flowers.katsucats said: The slime protagonist has a different goal, city building, different way of thinking, flaws, personality, etc than Kirito from SAO for eg. Nobunaga on Drifters has a stoic and at the same time sarcastic personality. Ainz from Overlord is paranoiac due the Lich template influencing his mindset and at the same time in end of the first season was wondering if he deserves to rule. He blames himself for what Shalltear did. It doesn't matter that Toyohisa from Drifters and Ichirou Suzuki have completely different character traits, jobs, are from different time periods, have different levels of respect, have different styles, different angst, etc. They play exactly the same role of people who are just barely hanging on in their respective lives until they were given a second chance to make a difference in the world and find life fulfillment. |
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| The theme that mostly about magic,fantasy , weird monsters |
| Хайде, хайде, хайде, това е първата зона, брато, първа зона, първа зона, добре, добре, добре, това става тук горе, отива тук горе, само спокойно, само спокойно... Ха, отдясно е, навсякъде отдясно отдясно къде е дясното ти о да добре добре добре тихо мълчаливо не успях да се съсредоточа върху това ЕХ ТЪПАК КОГАТО СИ БАВНО БАВНО ... ой е путката на моето момиче прасе куче, аз Чувствам се добре, о, мамо, *шамар*, какво е това госпожице татко- |
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