Ardanaz said: CondemneDio said: The meme is dying, so the participants are going to move on to their next "totally epic flex!!1" Thank fuck the internet has the attention span of a lemon. ........ wasn't it attention span of a goldfish? But yeah , correct tho. |
HaChiiman said: DomineLkira said: What if the duplicate accounts just add 30 anime to bypass this? A specific time limit after which people's votes will be counted sounds much better. I don't think that someone will down/upvote 30 animes at the same time, I usually check trolls accounts and I didn't find any account that exceeds 10, and even if this happens it will be rare and will not affect much. For your idea I didn't understand it well I meant that only after a specific time the votes given by a person should be added to the global rating. Like a time limit or something. After that your votes will count , otherwise they won't. |
| pretty funny to see 'chaos' over a meaningless score haha, people seems to think the score is accurate lmao |
 MAL score and most user-based rating system are all joke, Imagine trusting plebs and hivemind. Find users who have good sense and rating and use them as a reference. Check my guide to rate Your taste is trash. Cope, seethe, mald |
AbrahamOmosun said: So what was you guys favorite words or statement on this thread. Mine has to be "taste keepers" and "this show showcases positive sexuality which is is really important in japan because of their low population". 10/10 for these 2. Also "flex" and "mal is siding with sjws" 2nd and 3rd Yup , taste gatekeeper is my personal favourite too , cause someone actually called me one. And it was fucking hilarious. " I have the screenshot as a proof" also comes pretty close. |
AbrahamOmosun said: So what was you guys favorite words or statement on this thread. Mine has to be "taste keepers" and "this show showcases positive sexuality which is is really important in japan because of their low population". 10/10 for these 2. Also "flex" and "mal is siding with sjws" 2nd and 3rd The gatekeeper comments were hilarious especially when they came from clear trolls. But yea that "sexual positivity" shit was probably the best joke, talk about grasping at straws. |
his videos sound boring as hell. |
| Final Fantasy VII is a shitty game. |
DomineLkira said: AbrahamOmosun said: So what was you guys favorite words or statement on this thread. Mine has to be "taste keepers" and "this show showcases positive sexuality which is is really important in japan because of their low population". 10/10 for these 2. Also "flex" and "mal is siding with sjws" 2nd and 3rd Yup , taste gatekeeper is my personal favourite too , cause someone actually called me one. And it was fucking hilarious. " I have the screenshot as a proof" also comes pretty close. "Why are you so salty?" and "Funimation will regret the decision to drop it once IR gets to #1" were also pretty nice. I personally found it amusing being told that I "don't have the high ground here". |
 All for one, one for all, all for one and one for all Some for some, none for none Slightly less for people we don't like And a little bit more for me |
evoniee said: pretty funny to see 'chaos' over a meaningless score haha, people seems to think the score is accurate lmao They provided a general view of what the community thinks , and I think they are pretty accurate for that. Every entry on the top ten makes some sort of sense. |
Agreed. The point we were going for, however, is that denying the boy had anything to do with the score situation is objectively false. Thank you. |
thefjords said: DomineLkira said: Yup , taste gatekeeper is my personal favourite too , cause someone actually called me one. And it was fucking hilarious. " I have the screenshot as a proof" also comes pretty close. "Why are you so salty?" and "Funimation will regret the decision to drop it once IR gets to #1" were also pretty nice. I personally found it amusing being told that I "don't have the high ground here". I almost forgot this one: "You don't know how many eyes are here" |
AbrahamOmosun said: So what was you guys favorite words or statement on this thread. Mine has to be "taste keepers" and "this show showcases positive sexuality which is is really important in japan because of their low population". 10/10 for these 2. Also "flex" and "mal is siding with sjws" 2nd and 3rd I'm going with the "taste gatekeepers" too XD. |
AbrahamOmosun said: So what was you guys favorite words or statement on this thread. Mine has to be "taste keepers" and "this show showcases positive sexuality which is is really important in japan because of their low population". 10/10 for these 2. Also "flex" and "mal is siding with sjws" 2nd and 3rd I liked the comparation of vote brigading with suicide. And my favourite thing overall was the denying of the fact that Nux started this whole thing. At least 10 people here went with that nonsense. |
Fortune favours the bold!  |
DeathTheKid4 said: AbrahamOmosun said: So what was you guys favorite words or statement on this thread. Mine has to be "taste keepers" and "this show showcases positive sexuality which is is really important in japan because of their low population". 10/10 for these 2. Also "flex" and "mal is siding with sjws" 2nd and 3rd I liked the comparation of vote brigading with suicide. And my favourite thing overall was the denying of the fact that Nux started this whole thing. At least 10 people here went with that nonsense. The denial one is even more hilarious when the typical answer to the evidence is silently running away. |
AbrahamOmosun said: So what was you guys favorite words or statement on this thread. Mine has to be "taste keepers" and "this show showcases positive sexuality which is is really important in japan because of their low population". 10/10 for these 2. Also "flex" and "mal is siding with sjws" 2nd and 3rd Mine personally is the SJW one. Its funny as hell. |
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AbrahamOmosun said: DomineLkira said: I almost forgot this one: "You don't know how many eyes are here" What about the guy who was going on about bringing 4chan and saying this was not even half of nux's followers because it it was, we'll be in trouble. The best from him was "that was not a threat, it was a promise" @DeaththeKid4 do remember more since it was you he seemed to be replying to more often than not Yeah that guy lol. I have not received so many empty threats in my entire life. |
adolfsax said: I got instantly banned even b4 this thread was posted. nice "moderation" bro  Wtf is that post? Isn't that EXACTLY why you were banned? |
DomineLkira said: HaChiiman said: I don't think that someone will down/upvote 30 animes at the same time, I usually check trolls accounts and I didn't find any account that exceeds 10, and even if this happens it will be rare and will not affect much. For your idea I didn't understand it well I meant that only after a specific time the votes given by a person should be added to the global rating. Like a time limit or something. After that your votes will count , otherwise they won't. I don't think that this will change anything, retourn to what happened to IR, 20k person goes to give it 10, but these scores will not add to the general rating at that time, but after a specific time they will be add, and we will see again IR in the top 5 !! |
HaChiiman said: DomineLkira said: I meant that only after a specific time the votes given by a person should be added to the global rating. Like a time limit or something. After that your votes will count , otherwise they won't. I don't think that this will change anything, retourn to what happened to IR, 20k person goes to give it 10, but these scores will not add to the general rating at that time, but after a specific time they will be add, and we will see again IR in the top 5 !! Oh yeah , wtf this was so easily busted. |
| @adolfsax You're welcome bro. Now keep the ban talk out of here. If you want to complain about the ban, PM another mod for a second opinion. |
DomineLkira said: HaChiiman said: I don't think that this will change anything, retourn to what happened to IR, 20k person goes to give it 10, but these scores will not add to the general rating at that time, but after a specific time they will be add, and we will see again IR in the top 5 !! Oh yeah , wtf this was so easily busted. I have think a lot about this issue since what happened to Chihayafuru 3, but I haven't found a perfect solution, I read some solutions provided by some users, but I always find it flawed, so I think that the solution that I proposed is easy and effective also legitimate accounts will not be touched |
Ardanaz said: Again, if you're not sure, what you're doing is called discrimination. Again, if someone is not using their account frequently, that does not make them illegitimate. We definitely agree on something then. Just because someone is inactive doesn't mean their score doesn't count, but it's a different thing when it's very obvious that it's an account that isn't being used and was only ever used to specifically rate something a 1 or 10. I definitely shouldn't say things like that, but I used just about the clearest example of an illegitimate account and you didn't seem to want to agree. Because that's not what an illegitimate account is. You've basically said that people can't have their own opinion unless they're veterans and very active. Should my scores no longer count since I quit MAL for a year before I come back again?Your rules for what is an "illegitimate account" are arbitrary, and until you fix that, you're not going to have a proper argument. At some point a line has to be made where an accoun't isn't legit. Not when considering scores. They were never meant to have an objective criteria behind them, and it's also clear from the system. You don't even need to complete a show for you to be able to rate it a 10, and you think so too, since you're saying elitists can simply drop and rate it without it being illegitimate. I get that it can be possible in some scenarios for a legit user to fall under this, but the worst that'll happen is that their score doesn't count. This isn't really an "action" against a new member as they wouldn't even notice it anyways. You clearly don't understand how ridiculous that sounds. "It's ok for you to not benefit of the whole system because you're a pariah, why are you a pariah? Well, we think you are."You give no proper reasoning and you sound like you'd create the Chinese Social Score on MAL as long as it fits your likes and dislikes. You mentioned something about mal-staff saying things on and off-site. Here: "It's unfortunate, but your claim of 'bot accounts' or 'duplicate accounts' is trumped by what other staff said, off and on-site, and no, I wasn't the one that investigated or cared much, there's articles written about it." I feel like I kept it pretty narrow. But if that's all you have, no, you don't have enough information or enough of an argument to commit to such actions. You're far too extreme for little to no benefit, you're indiscriminately hitting proper users. Accounts with one show rated as a 10 or 1 and then never being logged into again. Unless we had a miscommunication about something more broad here. Again, you have no basis for this. If I'm a new user on MAL that made an account, you have no legitimacy yourself to claim that just because I didn't log in as much as you wanted me to and was as old as you wanted me to be, that I'm not legitimate.I am a user like any other, and since there's nothing in the rules saying that I need to vote anime however you want me to, I should be treated the same way like any other. "B-but you won't know!", yeah, thanks, that's such a great way to do things. "Lol, you plebs don't need to know that you don't matter! We decide what scores should be! Averages like before? Pft, fuck off, we can do what we want." I get that it isn't a very nice situation, but something has to be done. Of course they deserve to rate their favorite shows, but if people just came here to rate it a 10 because a youtuber told them that it would somehow be a 'flex' to funimation, then something's wrong. The mere fact that you think there's any legitimacy to claim that someone's opinion is wrong on why they rate the shows they like is rather outstanding. It baffles me how you can't understand this simple aspect. Whatever feelings they have are legitimate for why they rate their shows. I don't want you guys investigating my lists for comments you don't like next and that you think aren't descriptive of the already-arbitrary score I gave the anime investigated. I can only concede duplicate accounts or bot accounts, provided that you know these facts (actually know them), otherwise you're discriminating here. ike you think I understand that this can be hard to measure and legit people will get hit by it too, but it's unfortunate collatoral damage. You guys really have no idea how bad this sounds. You might as well just say you don't like new members. I can't wait for the next rule to be "If you're not active every day, we will delete your account." I answered the questions to the best of my ability. I'm a forum mod, not a developer or admin. I don't know what exactly they will do. The questions you asked can only be answered by a dev that wrote the fix or they can be discussed and speculated about. The latter is what I chose to do. All you're doing is just agreeing with the staff even if the overall treatment is extremely improper towards the new users. HaChiiman said: Your system does nothing. It's just elitism and like another 2 minutes wasted for the "illegitimate account". I have think a lot about this issue since what happened to Chihayafuru 3, but I haven't found a perfect solution, I read some solutions provided by some users, but I always find it flawed, so I think that the solution that I proposed is easy and effective also legitimate accounts will not be touched |
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Yax-kun said: "Heh, you're all a bunch of untermensch, you got influence by society since you were a baby, but I was not, I grew myself up and I created my own world, I am free. I am the true maker of my destiny, I don't just feel, I create feelings, so I don't actually rate my anime, I describe my anime."ChaoticHaru said: In fact, the evaluation has been destroyed.I know him all too well. I know he has encouraged even people who have not seen the show to rate Interspecies. Heck, you could even say I am a fan of his old work. In my own way I do like his humor. He is even the reason I joined this site. Before Nux I did not know this website existed. BUT, I only rated Interspecies high because I enjoy the series anyway and have been keeping up with every episode. Even if I find Nux funny in most cases, I do find him encouraging people to vote without watching the show a bit in distaste, same with him telling people to make accounts. But eh, Nux's encouragement no longer helps the rating. Interspecies has been dropping even harder now from the spam of 1's despite the fact people may still be trying to give the show a 10 on his behalf. All I say is I think it's a bit silly. People should just watch the show and put how they really feel as the rating for good or bad and not let anger/ humor at a situation to bring you to give a good or bad score. The important thing is that if you like anime, I respect your opinion, but if you give it 10/10 for youtuber, I think you have no personality. and thank you ❤❤ |
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| @adolfsax , bro, if that's the post because of which you were banned, then I'm not surprised you received a punishment on forum, lol. |
| i havent even heard of this nux guy, i just saw a hentai (pretty much) in second place and decided to give it a 10 for a while for fun. honestly i'm enjoying the show too, not that its particularly good, i'd say its decent though (a 6 maybe). i think a good solution for vote brigading/rabid fanbases rating other shows low with second accounts is to require the person to watch a number of hours of shows before their rating effects the score. |
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RedMenace said: And how will we verify that? Are you going to have cameras set in my room to see if I watch the anime I claim I watch? i havent even heard of this nux guy, i just saw a hentai (pretty much) in second place and decided to give it a 10 for a while for fun. honestly i'm enjoying the show too, not that its particularly good, i'd say its decent though (a 6 maybe). i think a good solution for vote brigading/rabid fanbases rating other shows low with second accounts is to require the person to watch a number of hours of shows before their rating effects the score. Will a moderator break down my door and beat me to near death if I watch anime on my phone outside the camera radius? |
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Immahnoob said: RedMenace said: And how will we verify that? Are you going to have cameras set in my room to see if I watch the anime I claim I watch? i havent even heard of this nux guy, i just saw a hentai (pretty much) in second place and decided to give it a 10 for a while for fun. honestly i'm enjoying the show too, not that its particularly good, i'd say its decent though (a 6 maybe). i think a good solution for vote brigading/rabid fanbases rating other shows low with second accounts is to require the person to watch a number of hours of shows before their rating effects the score. sorry i wasnt clear, i meant recorded hours on mal, i know you can fake that but i mean, if the devs just didnt tell anyone they implemented it would people find out? though the cameras would work too :P |
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| So I'd want to contribute with my grain of sand about this topic. I found about IR from the mediafactory YT channel, one of it's videos suddenly popped in my recommendations and I watched it. After that, I watched the two episodes that were up and totally loved the anime. It was refreshing, funny af and it went straight to the point, not going further since don't want this to be a review. Next episodes were even better, and it was since that point that I decided to make an account in MAL and rate this anime. I always wanted to make an account here since there are plenty of shows I want to rate too, but lazyness and being busy were factors that worked against it. So when I went to check IR's page, I saw this thread and found about all Nux dilemma. Should bot accounts be ban? Yes, definitely. Should new accounts be ban cause they rate only 1~2 animes? Imo no, there are actually people who just want to rate 1~2 shows, even if they do it in such a short period of time. For example, let's say I watched FMAB years ago and totally disliked it but never bothered to rate it 1/10 here. And now I found IR and found is a masterpiece, make an account and rate it 10/10. That kind of situation happens. It would be awesome if mods can differentiate people that actually watched the show and rate it from trolls that just rate anything 10/10 or 1/10 just for the lols, but that sounds like impossible (if is not someone explain to me how they can, I am curious). At the end of the day, mods have the final word to this mess. I just wanted to say there are people that actually love the show and didn't even know about this Nux dilemma (I don't know him, don't care to know him). Everyone, have a good day. |
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HappyCocoa said: So I'd want to contribute with my grain of sand about this topic. I found about IR from the mediafactory YT channel, one of it's videos suddenly popped in my recommendations and I watched it. After that, I watched the two episodes that were up and totally loved the anime. It was refreshing, funny af and it went straight to the point, not going further since don't want this to be a review. Next episodes were even better, and it was since that point that I decided to make an account in MAL and rate this anime. I always wanted to make an account here since there are plenty of shows I want to rate too, but lazyness and being busy were factors that worked against it. So when I went to check IR's page, I saw this thread and found about all Nux dilemma. Should bot accounts be ban? Yes, definitely. Should new accounts be ban cause they rate only 1~2 animes? Imo no, there are actually people who just want to rate 1~2 shows, even if they do it in such a short period of time. For example, let's say I watched FMAB years ago and totally disliked it but never bothered to rate it 1/10 here. And now I found IR and found is a masterpiece, make an account and rate it 10/10. That kind of situation happens. It would be awesome if mods can differentiate people that actually watched the show and rate it from trolls that just rate anything 10/10 or 1/10 just for the lols, but that sounds like impossible (if is not someone explain to me how they can, I am curious). At the end of the day, mods have the final word to this mess. I just wanted to say there are people that actually love the show and didn't even know about this Nux dilemma (I don't know him, don't care to know him). Everyone, have a good day. At some point you have to think what is likely. That this person just happened to only rate IR 10 and FMA:B 1 just when this voting brigade was happening and that's their legit scoring of those shows and it's just coincidence it happened just now.. yea no. That kind of situation doesn't have even 1% change of happening. You are more likely to be hit by truck-kun and get transported to isekai than that happening. But people rating IR 10 without being part of the voting brigade and genuinely loving the show that much. Yes it does happen and it was actually shown in scores and how the shows score was rising before this meltdown. |
zebdal said: "Encouraging people to watch a show is different from someone telling people to rate 10/10 on a website to flex or someshit." I'm pretty sure that's oversimplification. I don't know nux personally, but maybe he did have presented IR on a previous video, so he didn't presented again on his other video, or something. in any cases, there was no organization to raid the site or anything, people decided to do this by themselves after watching his video. this is not comparable to, for example, a raid organized by 4chan, like the Habbo Hotel raids : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp2EZbbuMa0 The videos and tweets where he urged the viewers to skew the IR score was what organized us, the vote brigade that wanted to, to skew the IR score through collective effort. Doesn't require us to confirm that we agree or to conduct teamwork, but it was organized nontheless. |
| I came here so someone else could flex. |
KomaDoll said: There's no such thing as "vote brigading" on arbitrary scores in an arbitrary system. HappyCocoa said: So I'd want to contribute with my grain of sand about this topic. I found about IR from the mediafactory YT channel, one of it's videos suddenly popped in my recommendations and I watched it. After that, I watched the two episodes that were up and totally loved the anime. It was refreshing, funny af and it went straight to the point, not going further since don't want this to be a review. Next episodes were even better, and it was since that point that I decided to make an account in MAL and rate this anime. I always wanted to make an account here since there are plenty of shows I want to rate too, but lazyness and being busy were factors that worked against it. So when I went to check IR's page, I saw this thread and found about all Nux dilemma. Should bot accounts be ban? Yes, definitely. Should new accounts be ban cause they rate only 1~2 animes? Imo no, there are actually people who just want to rate 1~2 shows, even if they do it in such a short period of time. For example, let's say I watched FMAB years ago and totally disliked it but never bothered to rate it 1/10 here. And now I found IR and found is a masterpiece, make an account and rate it 10/10. That kind of situation happens. It would be awesome if mods can differentiate people that actually watched the show and rate it from trolls that just rate anything 10/10 or 1/10 just for the lols, but that sounds like impossible (if is not someone explain to me how they can, I am curious). At the end of the day, mods have the final word to this mess. I just wanted to say there are people that actually love the show and didn't even know about this Nux dilemma (I don't know him, don't care to know him). Everyone, have a good day. At some point you have to think what is likely. That this person just happened to only rate IR 10 and FMA:B 1 just when this voting brigade was happening and that's their legit scoring of those shows and it's just coincidence it happened just now.. yea no. That kind of situation doesn't have even 1% change of happening. You are more likely to be hit by truck-kun and get transported to isekai than that happening. But people rating IR 10 without being part of the voting brigade and genuinely loving the show that much. Yes it does happen and it was actually shown in scores and how the shows score was rising before this meltdown. |
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Immahnoob said: KomaDoll said: There's no such thing as "vote brigading" on arbitrary scores in an arbitrary system. At some point you have to think what is likely. That this person just happened to only rate IR 10 and FMA:B 1 just when this voting brigade was happening and that's their legit scoring of those shows and it's just coincidence it happened just now.. yea no. That kind of situation doesn't have even 1% change of happening. You are more likely to be hit by truck-kun and get transported to isekai than that happening. But people rating IR 10 without being part of the voting brigade and genuinely loving the show that much. Yes it does happen and it was actually shown in scores and how the shows score was rising before this meltdown. Just because you are correct , doesn't mean you are right. |
Bunka_no_Otoko said: Immahnoob said: There's no such thing as "vote brigading" on arbitrary scores in an arbitrary system. Exactly. Prove to us that the other top 10 weren't "brigaded". Because we know for a fact FMAB was. (Including downvote brigades for anything that comes close) Tell me Mr. Otoko , what do you think vote brigading is? |
Bunka_no_Otoko said: DomineLkira said: Tell me Mr. Otoko , what do you mean brigading is? The same thing you do. Which is a joke in an arbitrary system. Who made you the "vote police"? No no. Tell me what it is. Please. I am not the vote police , I never was. I am just asking a genuine question , but you are getting triggered? |
DomineLkira said: Unfortunately for you, ethics are on my side. Immahnoob said: There's no such thing as "vote brigading" on arbitrary scores in an arbitrary system. Just because you are correct , doesn't mean you are right. You are targeting new users for their opinions, and you're doing so with a very incomplete system. There's literally no plus to this, you're just policing scores for no valid reason. |
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Immahnoob said: Unfortunately for you, ethics are on my side. You are targeting new users for their opinions, and you're doing so with a very incomplete system. There's literally no plus to this, you're just policing scores for no valid reason. Many of them came because a youtuber told them to rate a show 10/10 >Maybe they liked the show and then gave it a 10/10 If you actually watch the video , the guy just says to spam 10/10 on the anime , without mentioning the merits and demerits of the show are. He just straight away says to his viewers that they should rate the show 10/10 , to flex on funimation , or whatever. I do think many of them genuinely like the show , but most of them , just came on the guys command. Look at the earlier threads before this forum was created. Most of the people who were posting "luls" aren't even there anymore , and don't come online now. If your concern is how they will differentiate a "legitimate" user from an "illegitimate" user , then I kind of understand you. But saying there wasn't vote brigading is just plain false. You should actually watch the video which started it all , if you haven't already. I think this pinned comment from the said YouTuber very much clears what the intentions while doing this were. http://imgur.com/a/szjttTO |
DomineLkiraFeb 11, 2020 9:57 AM
Bunka_no_Otoko said: DomineLkira said: Tell me Mr. Otoko , what do you mean brigading is? The same thing you do. Which is a joke in an arbitrary system. Who made you the "vote police"? Doesn't matter if each individual vote is arbitrary, as long as everyone votes according to their individual arbitrary criteria. What you end up with in the top anime ranking is an aggregate which reflects a mixture of criteria. While the value of such a ranking is up to each user, it still functions as an influential statement about the entries on the list. Regardless of whether it should be. Since everyone scores shows differently, it reorders the ranking when more 10/10 users do so. It only takes motivation to do so. Nux in this case gave at least me enough motivation to vote 10/10. Maybe I'm a black swan among his viewers but I doubt it. |
perboFeb 11, 2020 9:58 AM
| I came here so someone else could flex. |
| @Immahnoob Again, if you're not sure, what you're doing is called discrimination. Again, if someone is not using their account frequently, that does not make them illegitimate. Again, I never made that argument. Because that's not what an illegitimate account is. You've basically said that people can't have their own opinion unless they're veterans and very active. Should my scores no longer count since I quit MAL for a year before I come back again? Your rules for what is an "illegitimate account" are arbitrary, and until you fix that, you're not going to have a proper argument. I also never made that argument. Not when considering scores. They were never meant to have an objective criteria behind them, and it's also clear from the system. You don't even need to complete a show for you to be able to rate it a 10, and you think so too, since you're saying elitists can simply drop and rate it without it being illegitimate. If that was a requirement, then currently airing shows like One Piece wouldn't be able to be rated though. You clearly don't understand how ridiculous that sounds. "It's ok for you to not benefit of the whole system because you're a pariah, why are you a pariah? Well, we think you are." You give no proper reasoning and you sound like you'd create the Chinese Social Score on MAL as long as it fits your likes and dislikes. Bit of an overreaction don't you think? I'm still not sure what you mean, yes, I said this, but you didn't really answer my question. What do you mean to say? Yes, there are MAL staffers that said these aren't bots, e.g. like Kineta. Alright, let's forget about it lol Yeah, let me be more explicit then. Here, where you have limited to no information, your general perspective on what an illegitimate account is, is rather fair. But if that's all you have, no, you don't have enough information or enough of an argument to commit to such actions. You're far too extreme for little to no benefit, you're indiscriminately hitting proper users. I gave just about the least extreme example. It'll probably be a lot more extreme, but I dunno how the algorithm will be. Again, you have no basis for this. If I'm a new user on MAL that made an account, you have no legitimacy yourself to claim that just because I didn't log in as much as you wanted me to and was as old as you wanted me to be, that I'm not legitimate. I am a user like any other, and since there's nothing in the rules saying that I need to vote anime however you want me to, I should be treated the same way like any other. "B-but you won't know!", yeah, thanks, that's such a great way to do things. "Lol, you plebs don't need to know that you don't matter! We decide what scores should be! Averages like before? Pft, fuck off, we can do what we want." You act like this is some kind of massive issue. Sure, their score probably won't count. Once they use the site more or fulfill whatever criteria, their score will count. Problem solved :) No, there's no such necessity. Literally no such necessity. Then we'll have to agree to disagree The mere fact that you think there's any legitimacy to claim that someone's opinion is wrong on why they rate the shows they like is rather outstanding. It baffles me how you can't understand this simple aspect. Whatever feelings they have are legitimate for why they rate their shows. I don't want you guys investigating my lists for comments you don't like next and that you think aren't descriptive of the already-arbitrary score I gave the anime investigated. I can only concede duplicate accounts or bot accounts, provided that you know these facts (actually know them), otherwise you're discriminating here. I don't know how it's going to work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I hope it's not going to cause issues for legit users, but we'll see shortly. You guys really have no idea how bad this sounds. You might as well just say you don't like new members. I can't wait for the next rule to be "If you're not active every day, we will delete your account." You keep blowing it out of proportion so hard. Adding criteria before a score counts to the average = Not liking new members. Okay I learned something new today. Are you serious? I literally asked you to defend this idea that we need to scrutinize PERSONAL SCORES and to ATTACK ACTUAL USERS FOR THEIR SCORES like you seem to embrace here. All you're doing is just agreeing with the staff even if the overall treatment is extremely improper towards the new users. ATTACKING USERS FOR THEIR SCORE!!! Their score doesn't count to the average. You act like we're going to send out PMs that their scores suck or something. We're clearly not getting anywhere with this argument. I already knew from the start that it wouldn't go anywhere and you probably knew too, but I'm calling it here. I'm not going to respond any further as I've said my part and you keep on deliberately misunderstanding me and putting words in my mouth. You also blow everything way out of proportion. I'll see ya later Bunka_no_Otoko said: You know, posting in this thread all morning doesn't exactly support the narrative that you guys are "breaking your backs" over this situation. Any chance you might be getting back to me on the 50 or so reports I've filed any time soon? I guess I'm not allowed to have any free time then :/ |
KomaDoll said: HappyCocoa said: So I'd want to contribute with my grain of sand about this topic. I found about IR from the mediafactory YT channel, one of it's videos suddenly popped in my recommendations and I watched it. After that, I watched the two episodes that were up and totally loved the anime. It was refreshing, funny af and it went straight to the point, not going further since don't want this to be a review. Next episodes were even better, and it was since that point that I decided to make an account in MAL and rate this anime. I always wanted to make an account here since there are plenty of shows I want to rate too, but lazyness and being busy were factors that worked against it. So when I went to check IR's page, I saw this thread and found about all Nux dilemma. Should bot accounts be ban? Yes, definitely. Should new accounts be ban cause they rate only 1~2 animes? Imo no, there are actually people who just want to rate 1~2 shows, even if they do it in such a short period of time. For example, let's say I watched FMAB years ago and totally disliked it but never bothered to rate it 1/10 here. And now I found IR and found is a masterpiece, make an account and rate it 10/10. That kind of situation happens. It would be awesome if mods can differentiate people that actually watched the show and rate it from trolls that just rate anything 10/10 or 1/10 just for the lols, but that sounds like impossible (if is not someone explain to me how they can, I am curious). At the end of the day, mods have the final word to this mess. I just wanted to say there are people that actually love the show and didn't even know about this Nux dilemma (I don't know him, don't care to know him). Everyone, have a good day. At some point you have to think what is likely. That this person just happened to only rate IR 10 and FMA:B 1 just when this voting brigade was happening and that's their legit scoring of those shows and it's just coincidence it happened just now.. yea no. That kind of situation doesn't have even 1% change of happening. You are more likely to be hit by truck-kun and get transported to isekai than that happening. But people rating IR 10 without being part of the voting brigade and genuinely loving the show that much. Yes it does happen and it was actually shown in scores and how the shows score was rising before this meltdown. So since is not likely to happen we just should considerate they are part of Nux's fanbase that voted cause the lols? Situations like this actually happens. I know this sounds cliche but I know people who have this kind of opinion about FMAB and IR. I won't say is 1% of happening since the anime is still airing, maybe it would be like that if an old anime like Cowboy Bebop suddenly got #1 or dropped below top 200 in a couple of days. I am not denying that there are troll people that rated like that, but I don't find correct to punish all of the votes and probably banning cause we "suspect" they are cause voting brigade. This exclude bot account ofc, they should just be deleted if mods verify they are bots. |
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| That doesn't matter. You agreed that this is an arbitrary system with arbitrary scores, that means you also agree that people can rate arbitrarily. Do you know of a way to rate objectively? No, you don't. Influence is also not an argument. We're perpetually influenced by other people. Nux Taku didn't use any type of egregious methods like brainwashing these people or drugging them. >Maybe they liked the show and then gave it a 10/10 This doesn't matter. Most of my comments on the anime I watched are just what I felt about them in very poor words. That means you're claiming that I also illegitimately scored my anime, disregarding IR too.If you actually watch the video , the guy just says to spam 10/10 on the anime , without mentioning the merits and demerits of the show are. He just straight away says to his viewers that they should rate the show 10/10 , to flex on funimation , or whatever. No matter how many times you say this, you won't get a different answer. There are people that intentionally watched SAO knowing they won't like it, rated it 1, and shat on it on the forums for months. Are they illegitimate as well? They clearly scored anime like that on purpose, just to "harm" it. It's the same thing, but no one takes any action. Why? Because it would be stupid for two very important reasons. People have different opinions and this is an arbitrary system with arbitrary scoring, and the second is that it would be incredibly difficult (outright impossible) to even properly gauge if what I said is true, not like it matters, are their opinions bad because say, they were influenced by their own hatred? What if they were influenced by certain elitists I know of myself? I do think many of them genuinely like the show , but most of them , just came on the guys command. Ok, so?Look at the earlier threads before this forum was created. Most of the people who were posting "luls" aren't even there anymore , and don't come online now. If your concern is how they will differentiate a "legitimate" user from an "illegitimate" user , then I kind of understand you. Since people can score however, whenever and whatever they want (as you yourself agreed with), then "false reviews" can't be possible, meaning that "vote brigading" makes no sense.But saying there wasn't vote brigading is just plain false. You should actually watch the video which started it all , if you haven't already. I did, I don't like this type of Youtuber at all, and I don't give a shit what he did either.It doesn't matter, this is more of an issue of consistency, ethics and overall, how much time is wasted on nothing at all. But this isn't the first time MAL does this, it's just so jarring. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Bunka_no_Otoko said: Immahnoob said: There's no such thing as "vote brigading" on arbitrary scores in an arbitrary system. Exactly. Prove to us that the other top 10 weren't "brigaded". Because we know for a fact FMAB was. (Including downvote brigades for anything that comes close) Nobody is denying that there is bot votes in top 10 entries. Staff has been working on it a while. However this case is new in terms that it was influencer who called for vote brigading and it resulted in drastic change of score. FMA:b (since it's first place now) has lot more viewers and raters than IR so bots affect it less and it will likely not be affected as much of vote brigading scores getting removed at least compared to IR. I'm looking forward to see how things will look when staff finally has the changes ready, though maybe things will be about same (with IR dropped ofc since majority of it's vote it's brigaded right now) and I will just get disappointed. HappyCocoa said: KomaDoll said: At some point you have to think what is likely. That this person just happened to only rate IR 10 and FMA:B 1 just when this voting brigade was happening and that's their legit scoring of those shows and it's just coincidence it happened just now.. yea no. That kind of situation doesn't have even 1% change of happening. You are more likely to be hit by truck-kun and get transported to isekai than that happening. But people rating IR 10 without being part of the voting brigade and genuinely loving the show that much. Yes it does happen and it was actually shown in scores and how the shows score was rising before this meltdown. So since is not likely to happen we just should considerate they are part of Nux's fanbase that voted cause the lols? Situations like this actually happens. I know this sounds cliche but I know people who have this kind of opinion about FMAB and IR. I won't say is 1% of happening since the anime is still airing, maybe it would be like that if an old anime like Cowboy Bebop suddenly got #1 or dropped below top 200 in a couple of days. I am not denying that there are troll people that rated like that, but I don't find correct to punish all of the votes and probably banning cause we "suspect" they are cause voting brigade. This exclude bot account ofc, they should just be deleted if mods verify they are bots. Almost nothing is impossible. But if it's really close to impossible maybe it shouldn't be bothered with. Majority of IR's scorings are from trolls right now. I dont think all the votes will be punished and there likely won't be bans of non-alt accounts. Mods have said that much already. |
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