| Series like Nisekoi, 5-toubun no Hanayome, etc, harems for guys in general. Do you find it obnoxiously tedious and boring? Not representative of your experience on how girls really are? As a guy who has seen like.. 2-3? "reverse harem" series, I kind of find it dull if the guys are too rigid and "perfect". They need to have some form of goofy/silliness/lameness or else I find it hard to get into. |
jesteriDec 1, 2019 9:30 AM
| Harem anime tend to be more character driven too so you have to think about that. I find them quite entertaining and funny actually because of that and because each character is unique and has their own personality and quirks. |
| Presumably the same thing men think about the equivalent for women. As always it's going to depend wholly upon each individual's preferences and while I'm sure you could identify general trends, it really doesn't matter because it's such a tedious question. |
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Fauxgrandma said: mostly silly but so is reverse harem for me tbh I find reverse harem even sillier because the dudes in those series are lowkey creeps and it's just like romanticizing creep behavior cause they '' good looking'' then again I often end up continuing the series ironically to find out how cheesy and creepy it gets o_o it's addictive, like crime shows but the criminal never gets caught (even tho i wish they did) what comes to gals in harem series tho I think the biggest unrealistic aspect is all of them being cute or hot tho and liking some potato kid and in some cases the boob movements. boobs don't have physics of their own they move like any other body part But doesn't it make your heart race to be kabedon'ed? lol, trashy but you can't stop reading :9. reminds me of Kurisu from "We Never Learn" ch:84 : https://mangarawr.com/manga/we-never-learn/chapter-84/ lmao, potato kid. they're kids though! it'd be unrealistic the other way too, if they were hotties with dynamite bodies :9. Yes, I completely agree. Boob physics definitely needs to be allocated more budget if not the most. Peaceful_Critic said: I judge them the same way as any other series. I'm only bored of them if the characters are bad, otherwise, they can be just as enjoyable as any other series. Something made for my demographic doesn't really affect my enjoyment any more than things that aren't. Are the girls in harem shows representative of my experience with other girls? Well, of course not, they usually are heavily exaggerated in personality(as well as generally abnormally exceptional in looks, and intelligence), but I suppose the base of it isn't far off. Booksmart introverted girls exist, high maintenance "treat me a princess" girls exist, quiet loner girls exist, and positive sports going girls also exist. Even if I hadn't really met all listed, there's enough people with all sorts of standings when it comes to gender for me to believe these types exist. The only 2 types that don't have a base representative of a real girl I know/heard about are the yanderes and lolis. "As a guy who has seen like.. 2-3?" What specific reverse harems have you seen? I checked your list and you seem to have no experience with the genre. Yeah but with harem series in particular, if its the opposite direction of your sexuality, it often doesn't end up going down as one of your favorites. To me, girls in a harem series don't look "abnormally exceptional" in looks. They just look kind of normal to me... but when I read shoujo series, the guys are drawn with very rigid hot jaw and necklines, which feels "abnormally exceptional" to the point of artificially tailored. What is a girls pov on "abnormally exceptional" when it comes to looking at girls o: ? Explicitly: Watashi ga Motete Dousunda Implicitly: Vampire Knight, Special A (my middle school had a lot of shoujo manga like these because the girls were in charge of the library lol, I forgot what most of them though...) |
| I'm bisexual, so that doesn't really apply to me. Do you mean these: That honestly doesn't look any crazier than the average anime character which has insanely sharp, defined v shape jawlines: The same thing goes for the neck. Have you not noticed the rail-thin necks a lot of anime girls are drawn with: really it's not anymore normal than the rigid necklines on male anime characters. " What is a girls pov on "abnormally exceptional" when it comes to looking at girls o: ?" Huge eyes, extremely thin nose with a perfect upturn bridge, rail-thin neck, 100% symmetrical face, flawless skin, small face with a tiny jaw, and thin body(40-55 kg) with breasts that are a size DD or up. "Watashi ga Motete Dousunda" Aren't most of the guys openly shallow in that one? I mean most don't even share the same interest of anime with the girl and none of them even considered dating her until she became skinny. "___ is being nice to me?" is what she said after the other orange-haired guy rudely said, "We'll never forget what you used to be, got that?"(11:18-11:57) It's odd you think the guys are too perfect in reverse harems if that's one of the series you consumed. I mean it was pretty implicitly implied two of the boys in her harem made fun of her before that point. |
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| I have a hard time with harem. Reverse harem is where it's at. |
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| @Peaceful_Critic Yeah. Eh, honestly its pretty noticeable style for me. I remember listening to a podcast where it said that the japanese find the back of a girls neck, the most exciting feature, and that to look attractive then was to expose the neck but look willow in the front, that is until japan started getting westernized lol. Contradictingly my professor said that the attraction of breasts comes from our primal background of evolution in that bigger beasts signify sexual maturity to make offspring. Kind of funny how the "ideal" looking female is a think neck while guys is more muscular. I read much more manga than I watch anime but you have a point. What I mean is "perfect" in terms of rigidity. It was a rude thing to say but the series brushes it off like its no big deal. There aren't really consequences or stakes for any of their rude actions because there's nothing on the line. |
| @Peaceful_Critic to look willow(flat) in the front in a kimono, so lack of breast appeal, contradicts what is attractive in western culture. It was just very briefly glossed over though. It's a romcom so I shouldn't expect heart aching drama but without a little chaos, internally or externally, its hard to say the actions don't carry enough weight for me. |
| I mainly watch these shows for the comedy and tropes. I don't really consider the story good ever compared to a romance anime where it's focused on one guy with one girl. Yeah, most harems (and reverse harems) get old and tedious, but some are decent. operationvalkyri said: I'm the opposite, I notice this kind of trope quickly. Steins;Gate when most of the cast is female and interested in the MC, it's a bit tiring to watch. It actually ruined my experience watching it. If the rest of the story/characters/dialogue is good, I don't even notice that a show has harem elements (Steins;Gate, Bunny Girl, Fate). |
22ndcenturybreak said: The sad part is that reverse harem in their original form (game, visual novel, novel) are actually good but anime are usually rushed and ruin their stories :/ like from what I've seen, reverse harem which are aimed towards women have more interesting and fantasy stories like Amnesia, Meiji Tokyo Renka, Norn9, Dialovers, etc. but are usually not that good with the Anime's limited time. a lot of them are really shitty, but so are most reverse harems |
| No I don't like them. I like reverse harems though because the girl has the power. :) |
m0llerz said: Bourgeois a mentality indeed.No I don't like them. I like reverse harems though because the girl has the power. :) |
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| prolly a shit version of reverse harem |
| @Peaceful_Critic I don't want to be too harsh on it because I can tell the author is completely aiming for an over the top comedic story but I am spoiled by Grand Blue(manga is much better) and how it handles a similar scenarios in the reverse (superficial hot girl only likes guys that look hot but will not stand for his(Kouhei) otaku personality). https://www.mangakisa.com/grand-blue-chapterid-115551 chapters(34, 35, 36, 37.1). Chaos is what allows me to see a character in their most vulnerable state which helps me connect with them more. Spoiler on the Grand Blue chapter: Mayuka said: I mainly watch these shows for the comedy and tropes. I don't really consider the story good ever compared to a romance anime where it's focused on one guy with one girl. Yeah, most harems (and reverse harems) get old and tedious, but some are decent. operationvalkyri said: I'm the opposite, I notice this kind of trope quickly. Steins;Gate when most of the cast is female and interested in the MC, it's a bit tiring to watch. It actually ruined my experience watching it. If the rest of the story/characters/dialogue is good, I don't even notice that a show has harem elements (Steins;Gate, Bunny Girl, Fate). I've had a similar experience with Gakkougurashi! . Not a harem but a 100% moe female cast, trying to survive a zombie apocalypse and its just so offputting without male survivors. I guess it sometimes depends on the scenario for me. I can handle K-ON and Little Witch Academia ok. |
jesteriDec 2, 2019 2:31 PM
psycho said: eh i don't like them. when i first watched anime & knew nothing about genre's etc i used to watch so many romcoms without realising they were harem & i'd get so annoyed with all these random girls etc. Sounds like someone is jelly. Kekekekek. |
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| I don't mind them as long as they can keep low on the fan-service. I liked Yamada-kun to 7-nin no Majo, Nisekoi was quite enjoyable I wouldn't mind reading its manga if Chitoge didn't win in the end, 5-tobun could have been more enjoyable if those girls didn't have such huge ugly boobs. But most tend to be very fanservicy and boring and I hate isekai harems, not to mention the worst girl always wins much like all the bad boys winning in reverse harem and shoujo. If I have a choice then I'm definitely picking a series that doesn't have a harem situation or any love triangles. |
Maou_heika said: I don't mind them as long as they can keep low on the fan-service. I liked Yamada-kun to 7-nin no Majo, Nisekoi was quite enjoyable I wouldn't mind reading its manga if Chitoge didn't win in the end, 5-tobun could have been more enjoyable if those girls didn't have such huge ugly boobs. But most tend to be very fanservicy and boring and I hate isekai harems, not to mention the worst girl always wins much like all the bad boys winning in reverse harem and shoujo. If I have a choice then I'm definitely picking a series that doesn't have a harem situation or any love triangles. I really only read the manga of 5-tobun and it was much less noticeable and better paced. In the manga, the color of their hair are all shaded the same color making the jokes of not being able to tell them apart work better. I think love triangles done right are fun, but sadly most of the time you can obviously tell its not the childhood friend thats going to win and its the new girl/guy, which takes the suspense out of it. |
jesteri said: I don't really care if the girl/guy is a childhood friend or not but I find it quite annoying to watch the MC fall in love with a person who treats them like shit specially when there are better options available. Maou_heika said: I don't mind them as long as they can keep low on the fan-service. I liked Yamada-kun to 7-nin no Majo, Nisekoi was quite enjoyable I wouldn't mind reading its manga if Chitoge didn't win in the end, 5-tobun could have been more enjoyable if those girls didn't have such huge ugly boobs. But most tend to be very fanservicy and boring and I hate isekai harems, not to mention the worst girl always wins much like all the bad boys winning in reverse harem and shoujo. If I have a choice then I'm definitely picking a series that doesn't have a harem situation or any love triangles. I really only read the manga of 5-tobun and it was much less noticeable and better paced. In the manga, the color of their hair are all shaded the same color making the jokes of not being able to tell them apart work better. I think love triangles done right are fun, but sadly most of the time you can obviously tell its not the childhood friend thats going to win and its the new girl/guy, which takes the suspense out of it. |
| They can be fun when well-made, but I think once you have watched a few you have watched them all, and they're just not as interesting. It just doesn't go anywhere - haremettes pile up, until you find it hard to care about the new ones, you are put off by the fact that all of them are interested in that one dude and all other dudes are shown as crap (it breaks immersion), the big amount of girls makes progression slow, and there usually is no good resolution, since the first girl remains the true waifu and the rest are for selling merch. Then it also depends on how it's handled. It can be creepy in the way it treats haremettes and with overall motives, or too formulaic. At this point I see this as a boring genre. Some series may shake things up, like Monster Musume with its cool monster girls, but the rules remain the same. The thing that truly gets to me is the bog standard fanservice - when the hero falls on someone's tits or bleeds after seeing panties, the beach episode, the boobs size complexes... It's embarrassingly old. Borderline porn with an OP MC, who is still empty as hell for the self-insert purposes (or psychopatic, which is basically the same, just made look cooler) isn't that interesting to me either. Like, at least it's more honest, but it's usually pseudo-sex, and it's shown in a way that is not interesting for me. And as for reverse harems - I haven't read/watched that many, but, from my pov, very few make sense, most I find ridiculous. Relationships are unrealistic and/or toxic, no one behaves in a relatable way. The self-insert heroine is supposed to be special, but can't do enything herself, because she needs to be saved all the time. It's partially understandable, since realistically too many men going after you must be mostly terifying and unsafe, and it's unfortunately not easy to show a girl being powerful - but then it's usually the same, even if she has power, like wealth, status or magic, in the setting. She still will be clumsy, and men deceiving her "for her own good" will still be fine. There're also some tropes, visual and narrative, that I abhor. So I actually would like to have a selection of good reverse harems first. The best one I know is Psycho Pass season 1 the first half, because later it becomes BL-bait. |
| I've never seen an actual harem series but I'm pretty sure I like that they exist. I don't think they're supposed to be a very big deal, they're very fringe even for anime. |
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Nek0 said: nah, i feel the same towards reverse harem. i prefer a romance show when its focused on just two characters rather than one with 5+psycho said: eh i don't like them. when i first watched anime & knew nothing about genre's etc i used to watch so many romcoms without realising they were harem & i'd get so annoyed with all these random girls etc. Sounds like someone is jelly. Kekekekek. |
| That depends, some harem animes I can stand, if the MC is not a piece of shit or if there is not too much fanservice. But after watching to love ru, with the MC being a incredible nothing and all the episodes being the same, I tend to think that any animes from this genre may be equally shit. |
| I tend to get bored of them honestly. I suppose if they aren't pure ecchi and more gimmicky/comedy based, I wouldn't mind them. But if the characters are rather flat and have shallow personalities and I don't like the humor, it's a big no for me. Reverse harem anime is another story though, because most I've seen are either heeeavy humor based, ridiculously over the top and hilarious without meaning to, shoujo, or the harem aspect isn't annoying and in your face. |
| Though i am a man, as a somewhat older man (mid 30's) i feel i can give some better insight into this than others so i want to put in my 2 cents. Harem anime/manga need 1 thing to be good, without it, the story devolves into a form of fantasy genre (whether normal or reverse harem, this is universal), and that is that the characters cannot be defined by their location in the harem, they must be their own people, with their own goals, wants and needs, i will use 5-toubun no Hanayome, legend of the shield hero, fruits basket and maouyuu maou yuusha (couldn't think of a better example off the top of my head so just roll with this one, it's to make a point) to explain what makes a harem good or bad. 5-toubun no Hanayome is a very good example of how to do a harem right, the girls in the harem might be attracted to fuutarou, but they aren't merely about fuutarou, miku wants to become chef, ichika wants to be a actor, etc, and more than anything they love each other and want what's best for each other, though they may be attracted to fuutarou, they are still sisters, and nothing, not even fuutarou will change that, they are people who just happen to be attracted to the same man, they aren't a group of girls who like fuutarou, they are characters in their own right. Shield hero is the opposite of this, the girls in naofumi's harem (excusing for a bit the weirdness of how old these characters are, that's a topic for another day), they are mostly based around the character of naofumi, this is how i view a harem done wrong, while i like the overarching story of shield hero, to claim that the dynamic between the girls is good would simply put be a complete and utter lie, they are more based around the character of naofumi, not their own characters. Fruits basket is a reverse harem, but it also does it right, there are multiple men who are attracted to touru in the story, but they all have their own fears, goals, and issues, they are not characters that exist for touru's sake, but characters of their own story, who touru helps to cope with their problems, a example of how to do a reverse harem right imo. Maouyuu i picked because of it's ending and that must be discussed whenever discussing the harem genre, as things such as tenchi muyo and to love ru do exist after all, as this is a spoiler for the end of the series, i will spoiler mark it. . This can work and does in fact rarely happen in real life, but it is not a easy story to pull off without feeling forced, for it to work right there must be a legitimate reason for it to come to this conclusion, a simple answer is rarely workable in this scenario. In the end my long rant is basically me saying that the harem genre does tend to focus more on 1 male with many females, but it's just a matter of how the story is handled whether it can be enjoyed by both genders or not, as well as how much long lasting appeal it will have. |
Peaceful_Critic said: oh goshI'm bisexual, so that doesn't really apply to me. Do you mean these: That honestly doesn't look any crazier than the average anime character which has insanely sharp, defined v shape jawlines: The same thing goes for the neck. Have you not noticed the rail-thin necks a lot of anime girls are drawn with: really it's not anymore normal than the rigid necklines on male anime characters. " What is a girls pov on "abnormally exceptional" when it comes to looking at girls o: ?" Huge eyes, extremely thin nose with a perfect upturn bridge, rail-thin neck, 100% symmetrical face, flawless skin, small face with a tiny jaw, and thin body(40-55 kg) with breasts that are a size DD or up. "Watashi ga Motete Dousunda" Aren't most of the guys openly shallow in that one? I mean most don't even share the same interest of anime with the girl and none of them even considered dating her until she became skinny. "___ is being nice to me?" is what she said after the other orange-haired guy rudely said, "We'll never forget what you used to be, got that?"(11:18-11:57) It's odd you think the guys are too perfect in reverse harems if that's one of the series you consumed. I mean it was pretty implicitly implied two of the boys in her harem made fun of her before that point. that neck thing I had started to notice this a little while ago myself -- something I really hadn't considered much before, aside from a few pieces of fanart where it egregiously stood out to me, but maybe like a few weeks or months ago I started noticing this and noticing that a darned lot of anime characters have really thin necks. Yes we've all seen abnormally thin waists (I noticed this the very first time I started watching Evangelion), we've all see ridiculously oversized boobies, but... ...now I can't unsee thin necks. Damnit! FYI the ones you posted aren't even the most egregious offenders. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Yeah most of the time characters don't have necks that are ultra thin, so even though they're thinner than real-life necks would be, it still doesn't come off as too weird.GlennMagusHarvey said: I honestly don't really mind the neck thing(or at least how most shows I've seen use it). A lot of other design exaggerations are used on anime characters all the time already, so it doesn't stand out to me that the neck was made that way. If anything I think the design would look even more strange without it considering how small the chins are. oh gosh that neck thing I had started to notice this a little while ago myself -- something I really hadn't considered much before, aside from a few pieces of fanart where it egregiously stood out to me, but maybe like a few weeks or months ago I started noticing this and noticing that a darned lot of anime characters have really thin necks. Yes we've all seen abnormally thin waists (I noticed this the very first time I started watching Evangelion), we've all see ridiculously oversized boobies, but... ...now I can't unsee thin necks. Damnit! FYI the ones you posted aren't even the most egregious offenders. What do the most egregious offenders look like? I wish I could dig up some pics with ultra-thin necks but it seems I probably didn't save such pics since I didn't like them much. But I've seen ones that look like the neck is the girth (and the length, considering its visibility) of a toilet tissue cardboard roll. |
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| it annoys me when guys only watch harem anime and rules them out of the dating pool for me, don't like men who fantasize about having many girls. alternatively when i was younger i watched about every reverse harem there is LOL but times have changed. |
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