| With a couple of the latest off the top of my head being Conception and that Why is Sensei here?, and now there's Val x Love. (this is not taking into account the ones i don't even know of or automatically filter out) Why are studios getting more bold with blurring the lines between hentai and ..uh... mainstream anime? not sure how to call it. |
| Because you touch yourself at night. I actually half-believe that I had something to do with it, because all the best modern ecchi started being made the year I came for the very first time. |
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| I guess they're being requested by those people who proclaim themselves "Otakus", ya know, the virgin tribe. The western clan for some reason like that too, hence the many "risque" titles. TD:LR Not many hentai are being produced nowadays so therefore they're going with a safe way that allows virgins fap to animu waifus...and yeah, husbandos as well. IpreferEcchi said: Be careful for what you wish ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)Because you touch yourself at night |
IpreferEcchi said: Because you touch yourself at night. Honestly, i ain't seeing your point. Tista said: I guess they're being requested by those people who proclaim themselves "Otakus", ya know, the virgin tribe. The western clan for some reason like that too, hence the many "risque" titles. TD:LR Not many hentai are being produced nowadays so therefore they're going with a safe way that allows virgins fap to animu waifus...and yeah, husbandos as well. So they're turning what people used to think anime was (hentai) but actually wasn't into borderline/softcore? |
ShinielaOct 5, 2019 4:07 PM
Shiniela said: Honestly, i ain't seeing your point. You aren't seeing my whole post, either. |
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| There's less now than at the end of last decade and the turn of this one Ecchi series are nothing new, it's baffling how anyone can treat them as such |
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Manaban said: There's less now than at the end of last decade and the turn of this one Ecchi series are nothing new, it's baffling how anyone can treat them as such Ecchi series are nothing new, yes, but the length it's being taken to has changed a lot. I don't mind much of the older anime ecchi, because you can see past it. Now it's like, there's nothing to see past ecchi Maybe i'm the weird one for wanting to see something in an ecchi show besides that one thing. |
ShinielaOct 5, 2019 4:14 PM
| Hmm yes very concerning news, lemme study these filthy shows so i can speak more intelligently on this matter. |
Shiniela said: Manaban said: There's less now than at the end of last decade and the turn of this one Ecchi series are nothing new, it's baffling how anyone can treat them as such Ecchi series are nothing new, yes, but the length it's being taken to has changed a lot. I don't mind much of the older anime ecchi, because you can see past it. Now it's like, there's nothing to see past ecchi You've been around since 2012, so you and I should both be well aware that people have been saying "Ecchi shows having nothing going on for them except ecchi, there is nothing to see except ecchi" for years upon years now. You're taking a common, long-time "criticism" of the genre and opting to fit it into something that's exclusively present-tense. They said this about TLR, they said this about KissXSis, they said this about Agent AiKA, the goddamn list goes on. The things you're acting like are completely present in older ecchi are things people have gone out of their way to deny being the case in those same goddamn shows. So, pray tell, why should I view this as anything more than just an extension of the same bullshit that's been said for years now? People always want to paint it like the problem is with the current gen of ecchi and that the older gens were better and more accessible. It wasn't even a few years ago that this was said about the OVA era by non-fans quite commonly on this board and how these shows always got it right whereas the "modern" stuff has nothing going on for it sans base titillation. What makes anything you're saying here any different than the typical reactionary stance to ecchi that has been reiterated time and time and time again, likely for as long as it has fucking existed? On a side note, I can't wait for non-fans who watch shows like "Why is Sensei here?" while claiming they actively want to ignore to start harkening back to fucking sensei as the time when they could also participate. Not like sensibility or being remotely rational seems to matter with you people much, and that show has elements of characterization and comedy to it that I'm sure somebody could appreciate, even if I personally couldn't. My bigger question is what year they're going to subject us to their vomit-inducing trite. 2026, maybe? On a side note, trying to imply that I only care about that one component of ecchi because I think what you're trying to assert as being the case with the current state of ecchi is retarded would have less chances of holding up under scrutiny than if you tried claiming that you knew the location of Hoffa's corpse. Spare me from your unfounded, accusatory, and - most importantly, incorrect - drivel. |
ManabanOct 5, 2019 4:28 PM
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| In a general sense they just print money, especially taking into note a fair amount of the especially risque series are adapted from Josei sources which traditionally was an audience not catered towards. Add onto that the really risque ones are only like 6 minutes when they're fully uncensored so it's 1/4th of the cost to make (not counting all the corners they can cut in animation for those series), they can easily put all of the episodes on 1 volume to boost sales and cut the cost to the consumer. All while getting the benefits of airing on premium channels for guaranteed stability. |
GamerDLM said: In a general sense they just print money I wish more people would take the time to look at how BDs and manga volumes sell |
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Manaban said: Shiniela said: Ecchi series are nothing new, yes, but the length it's being taken to has changed a lot. I don't mind much of the older anime ecchi, because you can see past it. Now it's like, there's nothing to see past ecchi You've been around since 2012, so you and I should both be well aware that people have been saying "Ecchi shows having nothing going on for them except ecchi, there is nothing to see except ecchi" for years upon years now. You're taking a common, long-time "criticism" of the genre and opting to fit it into something that's exclusively present-tense. They said this about TLR, they said this about KissXSis, they said this about Agent AiKA, the goddamn list goes on. The things you're acting like are completely present in older ecchi are things people have gone out of their way to deny being the case in those same goddamn shows. So, pray tell, why should I view this as anything more than just an extension of the same bullshit that's been said for years now? People always want to paint it like the problem is with the current gen of ecchi and that the older gens were better and more accessible. It wasn't even a few years ago that this was said about the OVA era by non-fans quite commonly on this board and how these shows always got it right whereas the "modern" stuff has nothing going on for it sans base titillation. What makes anything you're saying here any different than the typical reactionary stance to ecchi that has been reiterated time and time and time again, likely for as long as it has fucking existed? On a side note, I can't wait for non-fans who watch shows like "Why is Sensei here?" while claiming they actively want to ignore to start harkening back to fucking sensei as the time when they could also participate. Not like sensibility or being remotely rational seems to matter with you people much. So you're taking shows the types of which aired once a year or less and comparing them to shows which come out 3-4 a season? (while yes, the amount of total anime that can come out has increased since a decade ago, so the increase of 1 type of anime does make sense) And i do not mean ecchi having plot as something along the lines of KissXSis. The range of anime that fall under "ecchi" is quite wide, while not only limiting itself to it. You're trying to say that unless a show is completely and utterly fan-service without any other plot(read:point) to it, it can't be called an ecchi anime? |
Shiniela said: So you're taking shows the types of which aired once a year or less and comparing them to shows which come out 3-4 a season? (while yes, the amount of total anime that can come out has increased since a decade ago, so the increase of 1 type of anime does make sense) Start here. Keep going left until you hit, Iunno, that one season when we had 8 ecchi in one season. Compare that today, when half as much in the summer season is considered to be an extraordinary amount. What in the actual fuck are you talking about with the once a year trite? Have you ever even looked into this genre and things like airing dates and how it's progressed over the years? It's been in decline. We've had seasons recently with 0 ecchi, for fuck's sake. Shiniela said: And i do not mean ecchi having plot as something along the lines of KissXSis. The range of anime that fall under "ecchi" is quite wide, while not only limiting itself to it. You're trying to say that unless a show is completely and utterly fan-service without any other plot(read:point) to it, it can't be called an ecchi anime? I've never agreed with this, since it never holds up on a technical level. Whether or not it's any good is debatable on a case by case basis. Shows like TLR, which get accused of the same shit you're saying here quite often, are ones that I've argued have the best harem in terms of quality of characters in the past. Just happens to be jam-packed with awesome ecchi that pushes the envelope quite well and tends to have everything flow upwards into that element. I've never believed the age-old trite you're saying to be the case. And saying that ecchi can only have ecchi and nothing else is strawmanning me, so of course I disagree with that because it's not what I'm fucking saying - I'm saying that what you're accusing modern ecchi of doesn't hold up under scrutiny, and is merely a continuation of a long-term reactionary response this fandom has had towards ecchi anime. |
ManabanOct 5, 2019 4:36 PM
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| Also, since seeing that not everyone understands the reason this thread was made, i'll spell it out for you: this post was made with the intention of me finding out why the content of ecchi anime has become more the type that it is now, because i PERSONALLY feel that between the ecchi anime i have seen years ago and what is out now the difference is kinda big. I do not actively follow every forum post made on this site, nor do i follow every type of anime along with what's said about it, so i do apologize for not knowing about "bullshit that's been said for years" |
Shiniela said: this post was made with the intention of me finding out why the content of ecchi anime has become more the type that it is now, because i PERSONALLY feel that between the ecchi anime i have seen years ago and what is out now the difference is kinda big. Well, your personal feelings are stupid and ignorant and I'd encourage you to actually look more heavily into these things, ranging from common discourse to the content being released, how many per season and what that content is comprised of, before making claims like this. Fuck's sake. |
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| I think it might be because the average ages of anime viewers are getting older and studios might see that trend and take more risks of producing more risque anime to pull in the older generation of viewers (20's-30's) and horny teenagers like myself (I'm 19 in a couple of weeks) |
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Manaban said: Shiniela said: this post was made with the intention of me finding out why the content of ecchi anime has become more the type that it is now, because i PERSONALLY feel that between the ecchi anime i have seen years ago and what is out now the difference is kinda big. Well, your personal feelings are stupid and ignorant and I'd encourage you to actually look more heavily into these things, ranging from common discourse to the content being released, how many per season and what that content is comprised of, before making claims like this. Fuck's sake. There would be no point in making a thread about anything if everything was "look into it yourself". And there have been no seasons with 0 ecchi shows since 2018 spring, not going to shift through every year until 2010. I feel like you might be taking this too much on a personal level seeing as how you have Yosuga no Sora in your favorites. So i'm here bashing your favorite genre, makes sense you'd be angry |
Shiniela said: There would be no point in making a thread about anything if everything was "look into it yourself". I can tell that you're not somebody who likes thinking about things beforehand much, but if you'd think about it, I also made it a point to give you the tools to gather this info. That means this info exists if you're willing to take the time to look into it. You can clearly see how many ecchi are released per season. The tools are on this very site, too, so more or less directly at your finger tips. Remember, I did this because you tried claiming that there was only one or so ecchi series released per year in the years' past. The opposite is true. There were *more* ecchi series in previous years than there is per season on average in the current era. Substantially more. Shiniela said: And there have been no seasons with 0 ecchi shows since 2018 spring, not going to shift through every year until 2010. Alright, if you want me to be specific, the only ecchi series in winter 2019 were non-TV releases. We got no new TV anime seasonally that were ecchi. There was Crayon Shin-Chan continuing as a TV series (which probably shouldn't even count but fuck it, who cares) OVA/ONA releases (4 total, one of which has garnered a whopping 62 members and probably isn't even subbed, and three of the OVA/ONA releases are sub-10k) and a theatrical release. |
ManabanOct 5, 2019 4:52 PM
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Manaban said: Shiniela said: And there have been no seasons with 0 ecchi shows since 2018 spring, not going to shift through every year until 2010. Alright, if you want me to be specific, the only ecchi series in winter 2019 were non-TV releases. We got no new TV anime seasonally that were ecchi. There was Crayon Shin-Chan continuing as a TV series (which probably shouldn't even count but fuck it, who cares) OVA/ONA releases, and a theatrical release. Domestic Girlfriend isn't ecchi? (maybe it barely isnt, but what about) Date a live III? |
Shiniela said: Manaban said: Alright, if you want me to be specific, the only ecchi series in winter 2019 were non-TV releases. We got no new TV anime seasonally that were ecchi. There was Crayon Shin-Chan continuing as a TV series (which probably shouldn't even count but fuck it, who cares) OVA/ONA releases, and a theatrical release. Domestic Girlfriend isn't ecchi? (maybe it barely isnt, but what about) Date a live III? 1 2 Look at the genres for both of them and notice neither are tagged ecchi, according to this site's database. The site we're having the discussion on, the site we use to update our lists, yadda yadda. We could get into bare bones of whether or not you think they *should* be tagged ecchi and why you think that, but it'd be a pointless conversation to have with me since I haven't seen either and have nothing I could actually add to that discussion due to as much. Whoever tagged the genres for these shows on this site certainly seems to disagree with you, though. Shiniela said: I feel like you might be taking this too much on a personal level seeing as how you have Yosuga no Sora in your favorites. So i'm here bashing your favorite genre, makes sense you'd be angry Four of my five anime favorites and five of my five manga favorites are ecchi, first off, so it's weird to zoom in on YnS. You could also look at my forum sig and see that I'm in charge of the largest ecchi club on this site, for further proof, even though that's been directly in front of you this whole time. Either way, quality sleuthing skills on your end, I assure you, it's a well hidden secret of mine /s Secondly, I'm irritated because stupid threads about fanservice are a constant and very annoying presence on this site. Trying to make it sound personal kind of neglects as much. My patience was present a couple of years ago, but now I'm running on empty. |
ManabanOct 5, 2019 5:03 PM
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Manaban said: Shiniela said: Domestic Girlfriend isn't ecchi? (maybe it barely isnt, but what about) Date a live III? 1 2 Look at the genres for both of them and notice neither are tagged ecchi, according to this site's database. The site we're having the discussion on, the site we use to update our lists, yadda yadda. We could get into bare bones of whether or not you think they *should* be tagged ecchi and why you think that, but it'd be a pointless conversation to have with me since I haven't seen either and have nothing I could actually add to that discussion due to as much. Whoever tagged the genres for these shows on this site certainly seems to disagree with you, though. That's a really narrow way of looking at it. Well it's not like i can't see why there's no ecchi tag. If it's a "mecha suit" that doesn't cover your body much it's not ecchi, it's clothing. And since domestic kanojo has drama in it along with romance on a deeper level putting ecchi in it might make it seems shallow |
| It's questionable whether anime is actually even getting more risque than it was before. A lot of the 90s anime were quite extreme... both in violence and sex. However, in 00s anime became somewhat more "wholesome". There are people who say we owe it to moe culture and to the manner in which it idolizes purity. Either way, 'getting more risque' is likely just anime starting to return back from the other extreme. |
Shiniela said: That's a really narrow way of looking at it. Well it's not like i can't see why there's no ecchi tag. If it's a "mecha suit" that doesn't cover your body much it's not ecchi, it's clothing. And since domestic kanojo has drama in it along with romance on a deeper level putting ecchi in it might make it seems shallow Well, it makes sense to have a common ground to abide by, especially when you can agree or disagree with that common ground like you can with MAL genres and establish a stance from that. In this case, we're using the standards of the database of the site we're both using right now as a common ground. Seems fair to me, since neither of us have a say in this site's Database or its genre tagging. For what it's worth, I disagree with the ecchi tag on this site adamantly and vocally sometimes. It doesn't change the fact that it has a defined description and is done independent of the conversation you and I are having, making it a neutral entity. A neutral entity on the site we're both using, I should emphasize. Like I said, though, trying to assert either one of those as an ecchi is kind of a pointless conversation to have with me because I haven't seen either and can't have an opinion on that topic. |
ManabanOct 5, 2019 5:08 PM
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Shiniela said: With a couple of the latest off the top of my head being Conception and that Why is Sensei here?, and now there's Val x Love. (this is not taking into account the ones i don't even know of or automatically filter out) Why are studios getting more bold with blurring the lines between hentai and ..uh... mainstream anime? not sure how to call it. Perhaps blurring the lines of hentai and ecchi shows? Also, I don't really feel like anime is much more risque than previous eras. Sure, there are some extreme examples that pop out once every few years. Last one I can recall is Hybrid x Heart Magias Academy Ataraxia back in 2016. That one blew far past the threshold of risque. Val x Love and Conception (haven't seen Why is Sensei here?) feel tame in comparison. |
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Graumann said: Perhaps blurring the lines of hentai and ecchi shows? Also, I don't really feel like anime is much more risque than previous eras. Sure, there are some extreme examples that pop out once every few years. Last one I can recall is Hybrid x Heart Magias Academy Ataraxia back in 2016. That one blew far past the threshold of risque. Val x Love and Conception (haven't seen Why is Sensei here?) feel tame in comparison. What a fool you are. I'm a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No Recall or Intervention can work in this place. Come. Lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy. |
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| They have to level up the game. Simply severely insinuating pedophilia isnt enough anymore. You actually have to have pedophilia in your show now: Arifureta last season had the self insert MC bang a little child in a hot tub. Sooner or later the ugly bastard genre won't stay as a dark side on the hentai kingdom. We'll eventually have an anime in which the main plot is an ugly dude bangs everyone not just the men, but the women and the children, too. |
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Manaban said: What a fool you are. I'm a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No Recall or Intervention can work in this place. Come. Lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy. Sorry, what do you mean by that? That comment rather went over my head. It seems to be a quote from Elder Scrolls; which I didn't play. |
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Graumann said: Manaban said: What a fool you are. I'm a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No Recall or Intervention can work in this place. Come. Lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy. Sorry, what do you mean by that? That comment rather went over my head. It seems to be a quote from Elder Scrolls; which I didn't play. To me, the thing that is worse than death is betrayal. You see, I could conceive death, but I could not conceive betrayal. |
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| There are still no nipples nowadays. They used to show it in older ecchis. It's just that volume might have increased. |
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| Studio: Hoods Entertainment I don't know what OP expected that series to be... |
| Not like I'm an expert in ecchi anime, but the amount of old directors complaining about current censorship in the Japanese industry ("We can't show that on TV anymore!") in Ekoda-chan kind of suggests otherwise. |
| I guess some people are enjoying them a bit too much to the point where it's gotten quite popular so animes have started to incorporate those things |
| sex sells. that's about it also I've not seen much difference in quantity of sexual content in anime for the past 2 decades the only thing that seemed to changed was the increasingly absurd proportions. |
| Ummm.... it isn't. Censorship in anime has increased. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
Shiniela said: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/because-you-touch-yourself-at-nightIpreferEcchi said: Because you touch yourself at night. Honestly, i ain't seeing your point. tldr it's a meme the humor comes because it's usually a completely nonsequitur answer, but now it's vaguely related in context |
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This, there's no way anyone can deny this, especially since Sony got a hold of some more anime licenses. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
| It isn't actually, it's getting less risque, it was more risque in 2015 and before. |
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jal90 said: Not like I'm an expert in ecchi anime, but the amount of old directors complaining about current censorship in the Japanese industry ("We can't show that on TV anymore!") in Ekoda-chan kind of suggests otherwise. Building on this for the audience at home, you could look at one of the very examples OP posted about, Nande Koko ni Sensei ga!?  Like you'd be sitting there staring at a screen blocker while things happened in the background It blew ass But what do I know about this kind of stuff when faced with a guy who claims that only one ecchi series was airing per year about a decade ago I wouldn't be surprised if he watched the first 30 seconds of that video gigguk made about hentai recently, didn't realize how uninformed gigguk was about ecchi's history in this medium relative to present-day when talking about recent ecchi series, then repurposed the opinion as his own, since iirc the examples OP is bringing up are more or less the same |
ManabanOct 6, 2019 1:07 PM
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| I feel it's gotten less and less risky. Val x love is ecchi? From what I remember watching it last night it was really tame.... How that gets considered touching borderline hentai is beyond me... Stuff from the start of the decade was way better and way more risky |
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| I'd say it's gotten more flagrant for multiple reasons: 1) Nobody is saying otherwise or doing anything to say it isn't acceptable. Keep in mind that Japanese culture is quite different than everywhere else in the world. Japanese culture puts young girls on a pedestal, and even their porn has the common theme of "virginity" in more than 90% of it. Most of these girls will appear hesitant at first then eventually get into it. That kind of thing would be seen as creepy by standard social norms in most other countries. 2) Because people keep buying it. 3) Because the pool of good source material is drying up, and publishers don't want to take the risk with the rest of the good material that exists. In other words, why dig for pure water when people will drink the liquid shit that floats on the surface? |
IpreferEcchi said: Uhh wha?Because you touch yourself at night. I actually half-believe that I had something to do with it, because all the best modern ecchi started being made the year I came for the very first time. Manaban said: Can you give me a tl;dr on gigguk's video?jal90 said: Not like I'm an expert in ecchi anime, but the amount of old directors complaining about current censorship in the Japanese industry ("We can't show that on TV anymore!") in Ekoda-chan kind of suggests otherwise. Building on this for the audience at home, you could look at one of the very examples OP posted about, Nande Koko ni Sensei ga!? Like you'd be sitting there staring at a screen blocker while things happened in the background It blew ass But what do I know about this kind of stuff when faced with a guy who claims that only one ecchi series was airing per year about a decade ago I wouldn't be surprised if he watched the first 30 seconds of that video gigguk made about hentai recently, didn't realize how uninformed gigguk was about ecchi's history in this medium relative to present-day when talking about recent ecchi series, then repurposed the opinion as his own, since iirc the examples OP is bringing up are more or less the same I know I'll get pissed if I watch it lol. Reminds me of the video he made about idol anime supposedly killing mecha. My dude got a whole lot of wrong with that one. |
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Cabron said: Uhh wha? 2009 (February) I:  2009 (April) - Queen's Blade 2010 - Seikon no Qwaser 2011 - Manyuu Hikenchou I impregnated Japan with modern ecchi. I have nothing to offer this anti-ecchi thread except levity. |
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Not gonna lie, I bailed when he tried asserting that there was so much lewd ecchi anime being made these days that "We're blurring the line as to whether or not hentai is pornographic anime or whether or not anime is tame hentai" that I stopped watching. It's...such, such a horribly uninformed thing to say. Like, objectively, we have less about half as much ecchi being made now than we did just a few years ago. Not only that, but full-length TV series are becoming more rare, and in their place we're getting more half length series and such. Like, literally, this was how networks were pushing ecchi when they were testing the waters of introducing it to airwaves more regularly and not just in shows that were isolated incidents or exceptional in being aired. Y'know, when the OVA era of ecchi was at its twilight and stuff like Futarigurashi and Iketeru Futari were relevant. I can't wait for excessive body shine to return, I guess, if we're going back to that time period. Back when every female character looked like they were coated in body oil at all times. |
ManabanOct 6, 2019 5:03 PM
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IpreferEcchi said: Damn, so you traveled back to the past?Cabron said: Uhh wha? 2009 (February) I: 2009 (April) - Queen's Blade 2010 - Seikon no Qwaser 2011 - Manyuu Hikenchou I impregnated Japan with modern ecchi. I have nothing to offer this anti-ecchi thread except levity. Please teach me. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
How is that traveling back to the past? 2009, just months after I had my first orgasm, Queen's Blade aired. And the following years, more ecchi. 2009 is the year I consider the dawn of MODERN ecchi. Ikkitousen (2003) isn't modern ecchi. It's a precursor. |
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| Also, the easiest year to pinpoint the start of the current era of ecchi would be 2003, when Maburaho mixed late '90s/early '00s stylings with what we would come to know as more modern constructs in terms of implementing ecchi and fanservice, stepping through the door into the fully network TV era and effectively delivered the eulogy on the OVA era, since we had been seeing the traditional OVA format for ecchi gradually being phased out after Love Hina's worldwide success on airwaves in the early '00s. Though, it could be argued that the mid-to-late of this decade started phasing out that era and we're starting to see another transformation, but I'm not making that call or claim just yet. Either way, certainly not the year that this chronic sexual harasser had his first orgasm, but I guess that goes without saying. |
ManabanOct 6, 2019 9:43 PM
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Manaban said: Also, 2003, when Maburaho's mix of late '90s/early '00s and what we would come to know as more modern constructs in terms of implementing ecchi and fanservice stepped through the door and delivered the eulogy on the OVA era, when we were seeing the traditional OVA format for ecchi started gradually being phased out after Love Hina's worldwide success on airwaves in the early '00s. Thought it could be argued that the mid-to-late of this decade started phasing out that era and we're starting to see another transformation, but I'm not making that call or claim just yet. Not the year that chronic sexual harasser had his first orgasm. Those aren't modern ecchi. Modern ecchi doesn't toss the viewer casual ass shots (even when it's not pantsu) as much as early 2000s. The year I designated (2009) is modern ecchi. I speak of having similar content to ecchi from the last few years. |
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| its not.... there's ALWAYS been anime this lewd, and if anything, its more censored now you obviously haven't seen very many anime if you're asking this question |
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