| @caio_brb What do you think Japan sees their piracy on oveseas, i am even sure how comes Government don't like their famous treasures getting stolen and uploaded it on every countries. Japan also having its own piracy is often viewed evil and villainous by Japanese government, this is why Government view to the world as rotten, and mischevious people who are not aware about their poor wealth incomes and that they don't have money enough to pay and read anime and manga, that's why. An article by Guardian also explains on why poor country also do piracy: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/may/03/why-poor-countries-lead-world-piracy People don't have money enough to pay and see of their favorite things in Japan is the main reasons on why Japanese goverment are not aware of this situtation. @satine13 I respect your reasons on why piracy can lead to an increasing sales, but the government aren't happy with it. What if 2020 Summer Olympics could also overcome Japan's xenophobia disorder, it could help Japan be united to the world and have an great interaction with foreigners as well. (sorry for my poor English) |
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| @hotsushikun dude you have some personal complex from Japan and its xenophobia ? You talking about it everywhere, and its boring. Sorry but the fact that you want to be one of them does not change their immigration policy. "Government view to the world as rotten, and mischevious " what the fuck are you even talking about, do you even listen to yourself ? |
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| @Swagernator I just wanted to give something my own opinions on Japan is acting different from the rest of the world. I read a lot of articles on Japan Times and other news outlets on how Japan is so different from the rest of the world. |
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| not to be rude in such a good, well-mannered forum but does this counts for hentai too? |
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hotsushikun said: And now they intend to block anime and manga stuff online illegally and make us overseas not watching to watch/read it illegally is making Japanese government like they are xenohobic as they are. I don't think you know what 'xenophobia' means. |
Synchronisity said: hotsushikun said: And now they intend to block anime and manga stuff online illegally and make us overseas not watching to watch/read it illegally is making Japanese government like they are xenohobic as they are. I don't think you know what 'xenophobia' means. Yes i know. They hate foreigners, outsiders, and gaijins. |
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I fail to see any connection between xenophobia and copyright law. No publishing agency would want to lose ¥500 million ($4.4 million) to piracy. |
Synchronisity said: I fail to see any connection between xenophobia and copyright law. No publishing agency would want to lose ¥500 million ($4.4 million) to piracy. And the government attempt to export their anime, manga and video games to an legal site and legal manners is an full of flop wtihin Japan's economy, they will never be able to give Japanese pop culture to the whole place, including poor people like me. |
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that's a real monkas over there |
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| I would pay to watch what I want if I could, but living in Portugal means only having access to a limited number of content. I buy all my music these days tho import friendly. |
satine13 said: I didn't say those were studies but there's a lot of proof that piracy leads to decrease in sales. This idea that piracy is just "free advertising" may have been true in the past when ebook sales made up for a very small percent of sales, but that is no longer the case. If your claim that there are no lost sales "because most people would not buy the product to begin with" were true then the steps the author took and the take down of the pirate site shouldn't have resulted in a dramatic increase of sales, but they did. Clearly a lot of people who would've bought if there was no option chose to pirate instead. Not to be mean, but I looked at you articles and they didn't contain actual proof, only anecdotes and some examples. They contained examples of changes to way content was introduced in order to entice more buyers on one hand, and an exmaple of the copyright cartel claiming more victims with the takedown of a piracy site. From a purely logical perspective - logic being the author of truth and reason - piracy by definition cannot detract from sales beacuse the sales failed to be made or the products failed to be protected to begin with. I already explained how customers may have indeed bought those mentioned books and mangas due to prior partial exposure, I don't see how it can be disproven. And yes, in the current phantasmagorical patchwork of content distribution, it should come as no shock that buyers may buy a product if their favorite is suddenly made unavailable for free - however that proves nothing from a rational standpoint, other than that the current market and customers are irrational. |
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DreamingBeats said: the whole "exposure" argument is utter bs as shown by the ANN article. many mangaka already let people read the preview pages, which is more than enough to decide if you like the series or not. there is also the option of reading user reviews. no, you do not need to illegally read the entire volume to decide if its right for you, just as you dont need to eat the entire cake before deciding whether to buy it. the samples offered are enough. and lets be honest - whats the incentive for buying something you already read, already have an illegal copy stored in your hard disk and can read at any time, and have already memorized the dialogue and the humor therein? also, riddle me this: if piracy is meant to increase series recognition, then why are people pirating manga of well known series like Sword Art Online, No Game No Life and Attack on Titan? they are already well known series, there are official english releases...and people will still pirate them. why? because its free of course. mangaka dont need piracy to spread their work. if they really wanted, they could share some of their own work on pixiv or whatever. they never asked people to illegally share their works without their permission. hiding behind the "raise awareness of the series" excuse is not only wrong, it is asinine. ———— “the whole "exposure" argument is utter bs” Removing piracy sites did temporarily increase sales, at least at the start, but for some reason that sounds like the piracy sites increased sales to me. Win win? Additionally, the idea that the law can dictate what is right or wrong or good and band is laughable at best. What I’m asking is for authors to try harder, seem like a joke to me to cry about piracy when all it did was give you a sales boost in the end. “which is more than enough to decide if you like the series or not. there is also the option of reading user reviews. no, you do not need to illegally read the entire volume to decide if its right for you” Not sure, thats on a person by person basis. Either way who cares. It should be legal to pirate and thus authors may finally grow a pair and try harder. “Intellectual property” is itself a fallacy since it doesn’t exist. Copy protection on the other hand…. “no, you do not need to illegally read the entire volume to decide if its right for you, just as you dont need to eat the entire cake before deciding whether to buy it” That’s a false argument. A cake is a real thing that can be eaten, but a digital manga is nothing but copycat data with infinite reproducibility. “and lets be honest - whats the incentive for buying something you already read, already have an illegal copy stored in your hard disk and can read at any time, and have already memorized the dialogue and the humor therein? “ I buy plenty of CDs, books, etc that I had early access to. Who’s to decide what is ‘sufficient exposure to decide not to buy?’ Also, it’s irrelevant to the question at hand of morality vs legality. “they are already well known series, there are official english releases...and people will still pirate them. why? because its free of course.” What is your point about that? Popular things are indeed pirated more. But the sales are also higher. “mangaka dont need piracy to spread their work. if they really wanted, they could share some of their own work on pixiv or whatever. they never asked people to illegally share their works without their permission. hiding behind the "raise awareness of the series" excuse is not only wrong, it is asinine.” I can’t figure out what your argument is. This is emotional bullying designed to shut down debate. |
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satine13 said: This isn't true anymore. Some American authors proved piracy affected their sales by deliberately spreading incomplete copies of ebooks on the day of their book's release to pirate sites. Impatient fans who couldn't find a complete copy instantly were forced to buy from Amazon and there was a significant increase in sales during the 1st week of release compared to their previous book. Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/nov/06/pirated-ebooks-threaten-future-of-serial-novels-warn-authors-maggie-stiefvater There was also an article on ANN a few months back about how manga and LN sales increased 4-5 times after a recent closure of a popular pirate site in Japan. Full article: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-06-08/manga-light-novel-creators-claim-sales-increase-after-piracy-site-closure/.132639 I agree that Japan's business model needs to change but people should stop spreading false info about how piracy doesn't lead to lost sales bec it's been proven countless times that they do. That ebooks study is way too small sample size to matter. That ANN article is complete BS with no real data at all. It's just hearsay. Maybe the mangaka is telling the truth. But it may have been a ploy by her company to push their agenda. She simply got paid more. There's no data proving the reason WHY she did. It's worthless for real arguments. It's also misleading to say her sales increased 4 times. Her pay did. That's why this info is suspicious as hell. The never her real sales data. So it really just sounds like they made shit up to push their anti piracy agenda even though it goes against real scientific studies. We have over a decade of research showing piracy is either net 0 or free advertising. Piracy is factually an accessibility problem. Yes people still pirate the most popular stuff but being popular in one place doesn't mean it's licensed everywhere. It also doesn't mean it's affordable. Accessibility also includes price. Some countries the price per manga is high. And like anime, they're making way too much of it (in lower average quality) these days. So you have to either spend a lot of money to find something good or pirate. People saying the first few pages are enough...lol no they're not. Not at all. In anime we have the "3 episode rule" that a lot of people use. Manga has a similar thing. It takes awhile to really get a fair feel for a manga. Lastly making still images illegal would be devastating. Profile pics, screenshots for review purposes, thumbnails for video, ect ect. There's so many harmless ways to use still images that would become a crime. This law could be okay if it wasn't so damn all encompassing. In the end it won't stop manga piracy because people worldwide can't legally access most manga. But it WILL criminalize harmless acts. |
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| the japanese people are slow af, this seems like a step in the right direction but i doubt any of the new laws/rules will be of any use. this mangaka will probably have more sense in one interview than these 4 months would ever do: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-02-13/manga-creator-criticizes-publishers-attacks-on-piracy-sites/.127695 |
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| Hm, I wonder if the whole piracy nonsense would stop if the content produced was sold at cheaper rates, which in turn would not hinder people from buying the stuff they want to consume. Although, they may need to run some simulations on profit margins that could be made from doing so. I mean, no piracy + cheaper content may prove to be a better scenario than piracy + expensive content. Morality and legality will stay in check in the former case. |
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TomDay said: >calls the japanese goverment peoplethe japanese people are slow af, this seems like a step in the right direction but i doubt any of the new laws/rules will be of any use. this mangaka will probably have more sense in one interview than these 4 months would ever do: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-02-13/manga-creator-criticizes-publishers-attacks-on-piracy-sites/.127695 Japs dont really even hate pirate sites. Free shit means people like it no matter what country. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to テスト by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
hotsushikun said: Lol this is gold. Please rant about "japanese xenophobia" and how they hate gaijins.Synchronisity said: I fail to see any connection between xenophobia and copyright law. No publishing agency would want to lose ¥500 million ($4.4 million) to piracy. And the government attempt to export their anime, manga and video games to an legal site and legal manners is an full of flop wtihin Japan's economy, they will never be able to give Japanese pop culture to the whole place, including poor people like me. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to テスト by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
Botan-Chan45 said: >calls the japanese goverment people Japs dont really even hate pirate sites. Free shit means people like it no matter what country. the government being regarded as a people in a country isn't so far fetched. besides all that, i wasn't talking about the government as the entire people. i meant the people as a whole. and since the government also holds japaenses people, put two and two together. |
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TomDay said: That's like calling all of america as idiots for some politicians move. (Ajit Pai, that video game guy, ect) Botan-Chan45 said: >calls the japanese goverment people Japs dont really even hate pirate sites. Free shit means people like it no matter what country. the government being regarded as a people in a country isn't so far fetched. besides all that, i wasn't talking about the government as the entire people. i meant the people as a whole. and since the government also holds japaenses people, put two and two together. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to テスト by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
Botan-Chan45 said: That's like calling all of america as idiots for some politicians move. (Ajit Pai, that video game guy, ect) and what are they? americans, so they qualify. i don't see what you're grabbing at here. |
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TomDay said: ok dude, im done. This is just too funny for me.Botan-Chan45 said: That's like calling all of america as idiots for some politicians move. (Ajit Pai, that video game guy, ect) and what are they? americans, so they qualify. i don't see what you're grabbing at here. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to テスト by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
Botan-Chan45 said: ok dude, im done. This is just too funny for me. lmao bye then, what a dumb reason to pick an argument over |
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| @TomDay @Botan-Chan45 I know one user mdo7 even concerns on why piracy is Korea is still rampant for K-Pop, K-Drama even though piracy leads to an sell very well with it while Japan, piracy is still rampant for anime, manga, video games (and occasionally J-Pop, J-Drama, etc) and that Japan is scared of piracy. Seriously, piracy should be concerns all over the world and i wonder how comes Japan is an only country to act like xenophobic to the world about their stuff getting pirated for no reasons. Piracy is the way to watch thing for poor people who can't afford money all the time, i live in a poor country and i don't even have a money enough to pay and play the games, which is why i torrent the games every time and everywhere. Even mdo7 told me that he thought that Hong Kong drama used to be popular in Asia, but it isn't it got an one users on quora who explained on why HK drama weren't popular and why they could be exported worldwide as written by Peter Wong on Quora, here you go: https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-of-V-POP-or-Vietnamese-pop-music/answer/Peter-Wong-180 (sorry for my poor English) |
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| @hotsushikun so wait a second you want to be korean or japanese ? Korean right ? |
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No, i don't want be an Korean nor Japanese, i just wanting something my little opinios about piracy how culturally differs between countries. |
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hotsushikun said: >tells me to look at quora@TomDay @Botan-Chan45 I know one user mdo7 even concerns on why piracy is Korea is still rampant for K-Pop, K-Drama even though piracy leads to an sell very well with it while Japan, piracy is still rampant for anime, manga, video games (and occasionally J-Pop, J-Drama, etc) and that Japan is scared of piracy. Seriously, piracy should be concerns all over the world and i wonder how comes Japan is an only country to act like xenophobic to the world about their stuff getting pirated for no reasons. Piracy is the way to watch thing for poor people who can't afford money all the time, i live in a poor country and i don't even have a money enough to pay and play the games, which is why i torrent the games every time and everywhere. Even mdo7 told me that he thought that Hong Kong drama used to be popular in Asia, but it isn't it got an one users on quora who explained on why HK drama weren't popular and why they could be exported worldwide as written by Peter Wong on Quora, here you go: https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-of-V-POP-or-Vietnamese-pop-music/answer/Peter-Wong-180 (sorry for my poor English) This is the mosy elaborate joke ive seen |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to テスト by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
Botan-Chan45 said: hotsushikun said: >tells me to look at quora@TomDay @Botan-Chan45 I know one user mdo7 even concerns on why piracy is Korea is still rampant for K-Pop, K-Drama even though piracy leads to an sell very well with it while Japan, piracy is still rampant for anime, manga, video games (and occasionally J-Pop, J-Drama, etc) and that Japan is scared of piracy. Seriously, piracy should be concerns all over the world and i wonder how comes Japan is an only country to act like xenophobic to the world about their stuff getting pirated for no reasons. Piracy is the way to watch thing for poor people who can't afford money all the time, i live in a poor country and i don't even have a money enough to pay and play the games, which is why i torrent the games every time and everywhere. Even mdo7 told me that he thought that Hong Kong drama used to be popular in Asia, but it isn't it got an one users on quora who explained on why HK drama weren't popular and why they could be exported worldwide as written by Peter Wong on Quora, here you go: https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-of-V-POP-or-Vietnamese-pop-music/answer/Peter-Wong-180 (sorry for my poor English) This is the mosy elaborate joke ive seen Are you joking me??? |
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hotsushikun said: I know one user mdo7 even concerns on why piracy is Korea is still rampant for K-Pop, K-Drama even though piracy leads to an sell very well with it while Japan, piracy is still rampant for anime, manga, video games (and occasionally J-Pop, J-Drama, etc) and that Japan is scared of piracy. Seriously, piracy should be concerns all over the world and i wonder how comes Japan is an only country to act like xenophobic to the world about their stuff getting pirated for no reasons. Piracy is the way to watch thing for poor people who can't afford money all the time, i live in a poor country and i don't even have a money enough to pay and play the games, which is why i torrent the games every time and everywhere. Even mdo7 told me that he thought that Hong Kong drama used to be popular in Asia, but it isn't it got an one users on quora who explained on why HK drama weren't popular and why they could be exported worldwide as written by Peter Wong on Quora, here you go: https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-of-V-POP-or-Vietnamese-pop-music/answer/Peter-Wong-180 (sorry for my poor English) mdo is my friend, i know him. and it's entirely irrelevant whether piracy is harmful or not, it's extremely exploitable and will never stop. as my link said, companies should learn to work WITH pirates, not against them. because in the end the pirates win. every. single. time. as for my own opinions, i am a huge supporter of piracy because (1 in this day and age when you have to pay for EVERYTHING getting something for completely free is awesome and (2 i don't give two fcks if a company cries over losing money when they already have millions and millions of dollars and (3 i AM one of those poor people who have nothing. like seriously, right now, if you had a dollar that would be a dollar more than i have right now. |
TomDayNov 26, 2018 11:08 AM
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TomDay said: hotsushikun said: I know one user mdo7 even concerns on why piracy is Korea is still rampant for K-Pop, K-Drama even though piracy leads to an sell very well with it while Japan, piracy is still rampant for anime, manga, video games (and occasionally J-Pop, J-Drama, etc) and that Japan is scared of piracy. Seriously, piracy should be concerns all over the world and i wonder how comes Japan is an only country to act like xenophobic to the world about their stuff getting pirated for no reasons. Piracy is the way to watch thing for poor people who can't afford money all the time, i live in a poor country and i don't even have a money enough to pay and play the games, which is why i torrent the games every time and everywhere. Even mdo7 told me that he thought that Hong Kong drama used to be popular in Asia, but it isn't it got an one users on quora who explained on why HK drama weren't popular and why they could be exported worldwide as written by Peter Wong on Quora, here you go: https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-of-V-POP-or-Vietnamese-pop-music/answer/Peter-Wong-180 (sorry for my poor English) mdo is my friend, i know him. and it's entirely irrelevant whether piracy is harmful or not, it's extremely exploitable and will never stop. as my link said, companies should learn to work WITH pirates, not against them. because in the end the pirates win. every. single. time. as for my own opinions, i am a huge supporter of piracy because (1 in this day and age when you have to pay for EVERYTHING getting something for completely free is awesome and (2 i don't give two fcks if a company cries over losing money when they already have millions and millions of dollars and (3 i AM one of those poor people who have nothing. like seriously, right now, if you had a dollar that would be a dollar more than i have right now. Yeah, piracy need to be relaxed all over the world, and allow free stuff to be sold. Here is the video here about what if money is never used: Being free for all the sort of stuff would be amazing for these kind of "What If" video we're happend on it. I also wait for my FIFA 19 to get cracked while PES 2019 already got cracked, i hope FIFA 19 gets cracked sooner or enough. I was so psychotic back in the day when FIFA 19 isn't getting cracked yet and i got an abuse attack from my families for this. |
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hotsushikun said: Yeah, piracy need to be relaxed all over the world, and allow free stuff to be sold. Here is the video here about what if money is never used: Being free for all the sort of stuff would be amazing for these kind of "What If" video we're happend on it. I also wait for my FIFA 19 to get cracked while PES 2019 already got cracked, i hope FIFA 19 gets cracked sooner or enough. I was so psychotic back in the day when FIFA 19 isn't getting cracked yet and i got an abuse attack from my families for this. well as i said before piracy will happen whether it will be relaxed or not. the internet is highly exploitable. |
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| I'll give the Diet an A for Effort. |
| man stupid pirates are trying to defend themselves in this thread LMAO. |
aybekay said: man stupid pirates are trying to defend themselves in this thread LMAO. no-one's defending piracy, they're supporting it. |
TomDayNov 27, 2018 8:43 PM
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TomDay said: aybekay said: man stupid pirates are trying to defend themselves in this thread LMAO. no-one defending piracy, they're supporting it. Yeah, and i strongly support piracy more than the anyone else. |
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no way! i can have you beat in my piracy love (ง •̀_•́)ง |
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No combat today, piracy has become the best common things in an least-developed countries like mine. I had the reason to torrent it and play the games no matter what how it costs and how expensive is. What if Japan parnters with Denuvo, they could block from cracking their Japanese games all the times. And it could lead an depression on why Japan is acting so different from the rest of the world. (sorry for my poor English) |
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| Good fucking luck bros. Cut off one head, another 10 will grow. |
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