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Sep 6, 2018 6:57 PM

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Veromaye said:
Golden_Scarlett said:
the ce cose 1000k prism per copy sooo get to saving
'then wew, my most used servant being all slot is a lie

the previous event was completeing strengthening gives you about 160 sq if you completed 80


what the fuck, nevermind then :'( I usually save the prism for the exp cards and tickets.

¿? what do you mean? which servant you're talking about?


nah i just got the popup that usually appears that shows how many fp i get from people, and it says my most used support was from my all slot(my herc)
so man, someone in my list is really rushing story like no tmr
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Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others
Sep 6, 2018 7:01 PM

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Ahhh lol, that's why I got so confused, I never check the "all" slot xD

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It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime.
Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others
Sep 6, 2018 7:23 PM

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*Seigi no mikata intensifies*

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These "dialogue options" seem quite redundant sometimes.
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Sep 6, 2018 7:56 PM

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>when it takes more than a yr for a fcking dialouge option to be relevant
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Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others
Sep 6, 2018 8:03 PM

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Golden_Scarlett said:
>when it takes more than a yr for a fcking dialouge option to be relevant

o_O
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Sep 6, 2018 8:07 PM

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Mickdrew said:


These "dialogue options" seem quite redundant sometimes.
I'm guessing you missed my previous post where Romani suggests to not get involved, and when you take his side he insta betrays you.

On a more serious note, while fgo plays as a VN it doesn't have multiple routes or alternate scenarios so none of the choices really matter. Some of them are even just meme responses because sure why not. You can check back cutscenes in the logs if you were curious about the jokes in choices you missed at any time, I don't think it's worth the effort but it's worth mentioning.
Sep 6, 2018 8:15 PM

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Going to fight Mordred in London and I'm scared that this happens to me ._.

Sep 6, 2018 8:16 PM

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Botato said:
I'm guessing you missed my previous post where Romani suggests to not get involved, and when you take his side he insta betrays you.

Botato said:
On a more serious note, while fgo plays as a VN it doesn't have multiple routes or alternate scenarios so none of the choices really matter. Some of them are even just meme responses because sure why not. You can check back cutscenes in the logs if you were curious about the jokes in choices you missed at any time, I don't think it's worth the effort but it's worth mentioning.

Good to know.
Kind of a shame though. Guess branching dialogue is a little too much to ask for in a mobile game like this.
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Sep 6, 2018 8:16 PM

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Mordred in London is easier than in Camelot.

Just pack some archers and brute force it for now.
Sep 6, 2018 8:21 PM

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Mickdrew said:

Good to know.
Kind of a shame though. Guess branching dialogue is a little too much to ask for in a mobile game like this.
Also just a heads up, the first few chapters are a bit lame. They didn't expect fgo to blow up back then so the story was kind of an afterthought. It's not "bad" per say (outside of Septem), but it's less than desirable to put it nicely.
Sep 6, 2018 8:26 PM

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Veromaye said:
Going to fight Mordred in London and I'm scared that this happens to me ._.


das in camelot lol
london modred is ez
It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime.
Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others
Sep 6, 2018 8:29 PM

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Golden_Scarlett said:
Veromaye said:
Going to fight Mordred in London and I'm scared that this happens to me ._.


das in camelot lol
london modred is ez
She's ez in camelot too the guy in the vid did it that on purpose. I think.

I think the only one that gave me trouble was Gawain in one of his earlier fights; Robin's poison didn't land so the fucker survived and killed me.
Sep 6, 2018 9:22 PM

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So Lancer banner is up, I use 5 tickets and a 10 roll.

Get this ( First two rows )





Female CE's love me and Kerry? And also Cu Proto :'l

Got 3 copies of him and one of Diarmuid.

Well bye bye Lancer. Guess I'll wait for Jeanne lily.

Sep 6, 2018 9:24 PM

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What makes me cry and laugh at the same time is that. I got 3 SSR and 3 SR CE. So that could've been at least a SR servant.

End my life.
Sep 6, 2018 9:26 PM

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Forget what the karen ce does, but black grail 😣
I want it
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Sep 6, 2018 9:28 PM

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Black Grail was a ticket. :')
Sep 6, 2018 9:47 PM

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Golden_Scarlett said:
Forget what the karen ce does, but black grail 😣
I want it
Caren CE gives 25% permanent def vs male attackers.
Sep 6, 2018 9:58 PM

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Well, time to get 10 more SQ to do the Assassin roll in two days.

What's the worse that could happen.
Sep 6, 2018 10:18 PM

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Veromaye said:
What's the worse that could happen.
You get 3 Shinji CEs and 1 sq left over with nothing to do with it.
Sep 6, 2018 10:40 PM

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Botato said:
Veromaye said:
What's the worse that could happen.
You get 3 Shinji CEs and 1 sq left over with nothing to do with it.


Why you do this.
Sep 6, 2018 10:41 PM

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Used my last 15 sq and got li feels satisfied
It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime.
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Sep 6, 2018 10:45 PM

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Veromaye said:
Well, time to get 10 more SQ to do the Assassin roll in two days.
Wait seriously tho why pull on class specific banner? Save for Merlin Nero right? Right?
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What makes me cry and laugh at the same time is that. I got 3 SSR and 3 SR CE. So that could've been at least a SR servant.

End my life.
True despair is missing 7 (i think) rateups between both servers. I pulled OG Artoria in Archuria banner and Karna on summer BB banner. Parvati instead of MHXX etc etc.


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lazypigz said:
Wait seriously tho why pull on class specific banner? Save for Merlin Nero right? Right?True despair is missing 7 (i think) rateups between both servers. I pulled OG Artoria in Archuria banner and Karna on summer BB banner. Parvati instead of MHXX etc etc.


1. I won't save for Merlin. Ever.
2. At least you GET stuffs.

Unlike me that apparently im a CE magnet :0
Sep 6, 2018 10:55 PM

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Np2 BB paired with her second skill should fix the damage matter.
I use her to farm ember
bruh
Sep 7, 2018 12:32 AM
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Veromaye said:
@astroprogs @Shayon Thanks! I was just trying to get some quartz and see if I could do two x10 rolls for the class banner , but if you say is not worth it then I'll just stick to the ones I have unlocked and free quest quartz ^^


Oh and Shayon, tbh I thought all this time that you were a girl lol.

Yw
Now I wonder if it was the forum avatar or Shayon sounding feminine
Sep 7, 2018 4:02 AM

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Botato said:
I mean correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that exactly what they were going for? It sure worked and I hated him. Let me also mention that, in general, I don't like it when fiction demonizes characters. There's a difference between having someone be simply a bad guy or asshole and having someone kill puppies and eat babies just to tell you they're a bad guy.


No, not really. It might have came off that way because Okeanus is poorly written in general and the dialogue treats itself more as a joke than anything else, which is what Jason also suffered from, but every entry on Jason in recent times portrays him in a much more positive light than he used to be portrayed in FSN - which is understandable since all we knew about Jason prior to FSN came solely from Medea's perspective who doesn't exactly look at things from an objective view. I mean if it was Heracles telling us about Jason in FSN, we'd probably think he's the most amazing guy in existence.

I mean he's STILL a greedy asshole who desires power, but he's a greedy asshole with good intentions who serves as an inspiration for others.



There's a difference between having someone be simply a bad guy or asshole and having someone kill puppies and eat babies just to tell you they're a bad guy.


Yes like I said, some characters are written specifically to be hated and that has less to do with morality and more to do with the fact that they're written to just incite such emotion (I guess the best examples I can think of from the top of my head are the Yakuza guy from Inuyashiki or the Minister from Akame ga Kill). Jason's not one of those, however. At least not outside of FSN, since like I said, he's portrayed less negative and more positive elsewhere.

It's just hard to accept that Jason's not actually a piece of shit after you've spent like a decade being told that's all he is. They've basically set the character up for a great redemption arc whenever the story gets around to focus on him and he gets added as a playable Servant. Medea will probably never forgive him regardless, but they'll probably learn to set aside their past mistakes.
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>scrap together 3sq on jp
>decide to roll and pray for saber diamuid
>iskandar

Good ol desire sensor, at least now I have bara daddy on both my accounts :feelsgood:
Sep 7, 2018 6:54 AM

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Mirai said:
>scrap together 3sq on jp
>decide to roll and pray for saber diamuid
>iskandar

Good ol desire sensor, at least now I have bara daddy on both my accounts :feelsgood:

nice, =/
i got Li when i wanted karna
feelsbad
It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime.
Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others
Sep 7, 2018 7:51 AM

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also can i say, the SR options pre 2 yr aniversary
were pretty lacking for archer and rider kek
It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime.
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Sep 7, 2018 9:11 AM

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Shayon said:

Yw
Now I wonder if it was the forum avatar or Shayon sounding feminine


In fact, both.
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Mirai said:
>scrap together 3sq on jp
>decide to roll and pray for saber diamuid
>iskandar

Good ol desire sensor, at least now I have bara daddy on both my accounts :feelsgood:



What the fuck I hate you now.
Sep 7, 2018 4:49 PM

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Look at this bullshit. Just look at it.


Double Skadi + BB with the right hand utterly cracks the game wide open for any slightly above average Quick Servant, it's insane. Now imagine if this was an actual Quick juggernaut like Melt or Jack.

Now I'm irritated I couldn't get her. I'll have to experiment with workarounds for the second Skadi to be able to execute this kind of strategy. Maybe something like Crossing Arcadia as a discount Primeval Rune.
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B-but Merlin is still king! Buster is still the most OP! Skadi is only good for 3 turns and then she's dead weight! And you need 2 of her while you only need one Memelin!

Hah.

I actually should experiment with Maid Alter and Jack sometimes and try that method.
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Genkii said:
B-but Merlin is still king! Buster is still the most OP! Skadi is only good for 3 turns and then she's dead weight! And you need 2 of her while you only need one Memelin!

Hah.

I actually should experiment with Maid Alter and Jack sometimes and try that method.

Nah, the initial impression of Skadi still 100% stands. She's still only good (as a Quick support) for 3 turns. It's BB that allows Skadi to break the game this much since it turns these 3 into a paradise for Quicks by completely eliminating RNG.

Try BB with an Arts spammer team (Tamamo and CasGil/Nero Bride w/ 3x 2030 + Archoria, Kuro, Summer Jeanne, etc...) or a Buster crit team (Merlin and Bryn with 3x 2030 + another Bryn, Herc, Ishtar, Jalter or any Rikou) and you get these same results.

It's just way more surprising in the Quicks teams' case because BB is such a broken tool DW implemented to fix them and get them on the same footing as the other cards.
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astroprogs said:

Try BB with an Arts spammer team (Tamamo and CasGil/Nero Bride w/ 3x 2030 + Archoria, Kuro, Summer Jeanne, etc...)


And now I have an erection just thinking about this.
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I was bored so I started unlocking the voice lines (it's a bit of a pain). Got everything I have access to for all my maxed servants, and my SSRs. Figuring out who they are talking about (when they don't mention the name I mean) was interesting.

AirConditioner said:
Botato said:
I mean correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that exactly what they were going for? It sure worked and I hated him. Let me also mention that, in general, I don't like it when fiction demonizes characters. There's a difference between having someone be simply a bad guy or asshole and having someone kill puppies and eat babies just to tell you they're a bad guy.


No, not really. It might have came off that way because Okeanus is poorly written in general and the dialogue treats itself more as a joke than anything else, which is what Jason also suffered from, but every entry on Jason in recent times portrays him in a much more positive light than he used to be portrayed in FSN - which is understandable since all we knew about Jason prior to FSN came solely from Medea's perspective who doesn't exactly look at things from an objective view. I mean if it was Heracles telling us about Jason in FSN, we'd probably think he's the most amazing guy in existence.

I mean he's STILL a greedy asshole who desires power, but he's a greedy asshole with good intentions who serves as an inspiration for others.



There's a difference between having someone be simply a bad guy or asshole and having someone kill puppies and eat babies just to tell you they're a bad guy.


Yes like I said, some characters are written specifically to be hated and that has less to do with morality and more to do with the fact that they're written to just incite such emotion (I guess the best examples I can think of from the top of my head are the Yakuza guy from Inuyashiki or the Minister from Akame ga Kill). Jason's not one of those, however. At least not outside of FSN, since like I said, he's portrayed less negative and more positive elsewhere.

It's just hard to accept that Jason's not actually a piece of shit after you've spent like a decade being told that's all he is. They've basically set the character up for a great redemption arc whenever the story gets around to focus on him and he gets added as a playable Servant. Medea will probably never forgive him regardless, but they'll probably learn to set aside their past mistakes.
Lol I was talking about Tristan, will read the rest in a sec :thinking:

Edit: I see. Let me clarify I didn't know much about him prior to Okeanos, so my view is very skewed. I am not against a redemption arc or the like, hell I actually really want one... For Shinji.

I didn't open the spoiler tag.
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astroprogs said:

It's just way more surprising in the Quicks teams' case because BB is such a broken tool DW implemented to fix them and get them on the same footing as the other cards.


You mean Skadi right?

Because BB increases the footing of all cards, but Quick is still ultimately at the bottom.
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so is it just me, or does ember farming actually work this way
in the morning(my time) and late night, i tend to get the knight class embers, but in the afternoon, i get the Calvary classes
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Genkii said:
astroprogs said:

Try BB with an Arts spammer team (Tamamo and CasGil/Nero Bride w/ 3x 2030 + Archoria, Kuro, Summer Jeanne, etc...)


And now I have an erection just thinking about this.

I want to see Assassin Shiki wreck house with this setup.
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Watching that video encouraged me to do a test run using Kuro to see how BB would fare with her. I noticed a few things I didn't take in consideration, so I'll summarize the run and list my overall notes.

After leveling up a few skills, I ultimately decided on CasGil instead of Nero.


Here's the run:


Now, for the notes. First, the positive findings of this experiment:

+ This type of team is completely doable and can certainly clear (some) waves. More on that later.
+ With CasGil, Kuro's Brave Chain can generate its own stars to 100%. It only needs the initial push, which is doable with a BB equipped w/ MLB Golden Carp Figure.

That will be all for the positives. As for the negatives, oh boy:

Here are the buffs a double Skadi would grant a Quick Servant: +100% Quick and +200% on crit damage.
Now, let's see what this team gives Kuro: 115% Arts + 21% ATK and 86% on crit damage.
The thing with the cit modifier is that is that it doubles the damage, so a 200% crit is 400% damage (320% effective damage). And 86% crit is 172% effective damage.

So, while Kuro has a slight advantage in base numbers, she's crushed in the battle of multipliers. No matter she does, she won't ever be able to keep up.

And as if that wasn't enough, this is still not the biggest of Kuro's pains. That honor belongs to the duration of her biggest buff (her 2nd skill) only lasting for 1 turn. This means that Kuro's ideal damage has to be saved for the last turn.
Not only that, but her damage without her second skill, even with all the other ones applied, results in Kuro struggling to clear neutral and strong waves. They have to be weak to Archers for her to finish the job.

HOWEVER, things remain to be seen with Chiron substituting Cas Gil, as Chiron will raise Kuro's crit from 86% to 136% (=272% damage). That's 100% more damage, which gets her a lot closer to the double Skadi 320%.

Finally, and this is more of a pain, really, Kuro only has 2 Arts cards, compared to the 3 Quicks you'll see on standard Quicks. This means that you may have to wait a bit longer to get the right hand.

Now, what does this mean for the other spammers, you may be wondering.

Well, this pretty much means that most ST spammers can't clear waves with this method, with the exception of Kuro, Shiki and other Servants with crit buffs on their kits. Archoria certainly can't.

As for AoE spammers like Summer Jenne and Mordred, things should be a LOT easier for them since they don't need to clear enemies solely using their normal cards. They only need to crit on their final Arts card.

mira-pyon said:
You mean Skadi right?

Because BB increases the footing of all cards, but Quick is still ultimately at the bottom.

The things with Quicks is that they're the only cards that can both do high damage (with crits) AND gen a lot of NP. Since this kind of card would make the other two obsolete as per design, Quicks are naturally balanced by the fact that you can't control when they show up and by the cards themselves being nerfed.

Skadi fixes the second problem, but the first remains a huge issue as the Servant you just buffed to high heavens may or may not show up in a consistent manner in these 3 turns. Couple that with the fact that there's an algorithm in place that guarantees you don't get the same cards 3 turns in a row, the "3 turns" label on Skadi's skill doesn't really reflect how they'll affect the play.

Enters BB, where you get the best of all worlds. More than triple the damage AND more than double the NP gen AND you get them both for 3 turns.

Even when you apply BB to Arts and Buster teams, Arts still won't crit damage bosses to oblivion and Busters still won't gen NP. Quicks will, for both.
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I really really cannot wait for Nero fest so we can do all sorts of crazy experimentations with Skadi and Quick.
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I'd like a gimmick where the enemy start their turn first and will be blast you with their NP from the get go if you bring a certain servant.

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then we can just not bring that servant =/ or give them volume hydre
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Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others
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I'd like a gimmick where the enemy start their turn first and will be blast you with their NP from the get go if you bring a certain servant.


Waver/Merlin/Skadi/Tamamo

Make it happen and watch Appmedia go through another tier evaluation cycle.
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KaiserNazrin said:
I'd like a gimmick where the enemy start their turn first and will be blast you with their NP from the get go if you bring a certain servant.

Oh I know, make them heal themselves to full HP with all the bars and repeat their Omni-piercing NP non-stop once they detect another Support in the back row.

*PTSD intensifies* Yeeeaaaaah, that would be ffffffffffffffffun... I can just picture how that event starts...

"Oooooh, we're going out? To a place called 'Chaldea', you say? Great, that will be a valuable experience to understand myself more and to get a bit farther in my journey to finally obtain my answer to life... Also, shopping!"
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Genkii said:
I really really cannot wait for Nero fest so we can do all sorts of crazy experimentations with Skadi and Quick.


Chances of Nerofest actually happening at this point seem pretty unlikely. This event lasts till the 19th, and they still have Halloween 2017 rerun to do before Halloween 2018. Halloween rerun's gonna take up anywhere from late September to mid October, leaving Halloween 2018 to run from mid~late October to late October~early November.

The purpose of Nerofest is primarily to just buy for time until new content is being created and give a break to the devs after packed June~August time period, and Fate/Zero collab rerun already fills that purpose so...
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:thinking:
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The things with Quicks is that they're the only cards that can both do high damage (with crits) AND gen a lot of NP.


I think you're talking about Arts cards.

Arts cards, are the only cards that can do both high damage w/ crits and gen a lot of NP.

Crit cards don't come with a Skadi on default. Only with Skadi can they do what you described, but even then Quick cards don't have good NP gen on most Servants that aren't Jack and Summer Fran.


Since this kind of card would make the other two obsolete as per design


Err, lol no.


Skadi fixes the second problem, but the first remains a huge issue as


Yes, Skadi fixes the biggest problem.
Adding on BB to an account w/o Skadi isn't going to put Quicks on equal standing, is my point.

the Servant you just buffed to high heavens may or may not show up in a consistent manner in these 3 turns.


Which is the same w/ any other team. Quick cards aren't any more affected by RNG than any other cards, so giving us a Servant that eliminates RNG will just make them all rise by equal amounts.


Enters BB, where you get the best of all worlds. More than triple the damage AND more than double the NP gen AND you get them both for 3 turns.


Exactly. Only 3 turns. That is not putting Quicks on equal footing to Busters and you know that. Being able to burst damage for only 3 turns, and not having any reliable form of defence and sustain is going to be really bad for any quest that's not a farming quest.
Moreover, BB still relies heavily on RNG - who knows how many turns it'll take to get that perfect card ratio?
With a Skadi team, you could be standing on thin ice for a long while. But even after you get the right cards, the critting still has RNG tagged right on it at least for the first turn(which is still a huge 1/3 of the whole thing) - without a Quick Servant like Deermud who actually has star absorb, and without something like Golden Carp(which still only works on the first turn, so if RNG fails you then you'll have wasted 20 stars), you won't know if your Servant is going to crit like you want them to and actually make that difference. If that one card refuses to crit and you still have an enemy left on that round, your whole plan will be in shambles.



Even when you apply BB to Arts and Buster teams, Arts still won't crit damage bosses to oblivion and Busters still won't gen NP. Quicks will, for both.


You're assuming we have Double Skadi AND our own BB here. That's ridiculous. In the any given account, Quicks are still largely useless and BB's miracles are locked to them.

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It’s time to ditch the text file.
Keep track of your anime easily by creating your own list.
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