Don't add Neo Yokio, it's clearly not Anime

spuukiebuugi said:
Think it's already been added to the db nyu
u lose
I mean at one point we had Cory in the House on MAL temporarily as a joke, why the hell does it matter?
Put the series on your droplist, downrate it if it pisses you off so much, and move on.

spuukiebuugi said:
Think it's already been added to the db nyu
u lose
I mean at one point we had Cory in the House on MAL temporarily as a joke, why the hell does it matter?
Put the series on your droplist, downrate it if it pisses you off so much, and move on.

HostileKumquat said:
IIRC Neo Yokio was also worked on by Studio I.G. and Deen, I think. Personally, I'd like for it to be added so I can give it a 9/10 but that's just me

Nyu said:
Only Anime produced in East Asia should be considered Anime on this site.

Nyu said:
This cartoon does not meet the requirements to be added to this site, as it is American. Only Anime produced in East Asia should be considered Anime on this site.

And if this cartoon is considered an Anime, then Avatar should as well.

Nico- said:
When Netflix dies it will be a great day for all.

Nyu said:
This cartoon does not meet the requirements to be added to this site, as it is American. Only Anime produced in East Asia should be considered Anime on this site.

And if this cartoon is considered an Anime, then Avatar should as well.

SigmaticDoc said:
O welp, this already got solved.
Despite it being anime in every sense of the word, storyboard and direction being handled by people working in Deen and I.G.
And despite both studios being involved in the production of it and animating it, the database mod just went full over-thinking mode and assumed that the storyboard probably got edited a lot by americans so he decided not to add it.
Basically, the db mod went full retard and didn't add something based on a complete assumption.

Next thing you're gonna tell me is that they won't add Batman Ninja... despite it being as much of an anime as Batman: Gotham Knight.
I swear if they don't add Batman Ninja I will be starting yet another thread like the Neo Yokio one.

Comic_Sans said:
Bullshit, the only thing that is Japanese about Neo Yokio is the animation and two of the directors. Other than that the producers are American, the writers are American, the voice actors are American and the target audience is American (or at least Western). Batman: Gotham Knight on the other hand had Japanese staff in many more departments and I highly suspect the same goes for Batman Ninja.

Neo Yokio being added to the MAL database is not going to happen. MOVE ON!

SigmaticDoc said:
So what if the writers are american? If the production is led by japanese?

Not to mention that the thing was unveiled at anime expo,

aired simultaneously in the States and in Japan. Japan surely considers it an anime.

It's clearly aimed at a japanese audience,

which is one of the core requirements for it to get in MAL, read the Database guidelines.

*Shows not intended for the Japanese/Korean/Chinese market. For example, when a Japanese studio is involved in the production of the show for the American release. + Shows where apart from the animation everything else (directing, script, etc.) was done outside of Japan/Korea/China. Thus, if a US company hires Japanese animators solely to work on the animation this work will not be included in our database.

But do you know what anime doesn't match the guidelines and yet it's still here?
Cowboy Bebop and Space Dandy, Watanabe said that he had a western audience in mind when he made both of them, hell Space Dandy aired FIRST in the US, not simultaneously like Neo Yokio.

Batman Ninja is mostly helmed by Japanese.
The screenplay/writing is done by Kazuki Nakashima which you might know as the creator and writer of Kill La Kill and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

Character Designer is the creator of Afro Samurai, Takashi Okazaki

The composer is Yugo Kanno, the guy that composed the OST in JoJo and Psycho-Pass.

The director is Jumpei Mizusaki, he directed the first (and best) JoJo opening and that's also why Batman Ninja retains that great visual style that OP1 of JoJo had.

The animation of the whole production being made by studio Kamikaze Douga, which is the studio that animated the openings for JoJo part 1 and part 2 as well as many of the cutscenes in Fire Emblem Awakening.

Pretty sure that if it doesn't get on MAL it will be pure retardation from the DB mods' side.

Nyu said:
This cartoon does not meet the requirements to be added to this site, as it is American. Only Anime produced in East Asia should be considered Anime on this site.

And if this cartoon is considered an Anime, then Avatar should as well.

Comic_Sans said:
What do you mean by "so what"? Of course it matters, they're two of the most important factors to determine whether or not a series should be added to the database!I don't care about some shitty American anime con's arbitrary definition of what anime is and isn't.If Japan considers it anime then it is because their word for cartoons IS anime. They call Spongebob and The Simpsons anime too.I watched an episode of it and it's 101 % shitty American meme attempt humor. Japanese audience, mon cul.
I'm sorry, did I hear something about READING THE GUIDELINES?Do you know what Cowboy Bebop and Space Dandy have that Neo Yokio doesn't have? An all Japanese staff.Then it should probably be included in the database. That doesn't mean Neo Yokio should.

SigmaticDoc said:
An **all japanese staff**
90% of the people who make the music for Watanabe's anime are foreigners. Look at Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo and Space Dandy...

And Neo Yokio is practically in the same situation as Oban Star Racers, yet Oban is here. It's just stupid that the DB mods are willing to act like that just because of assumptions that the ''direction might've been tampered with by the US people in the staff''.

Comic_Sans said:
An OVERWHELMINGLY Japanese staff then. The point is that they qualify as anime while Neo Yokio doesn't because its staff is overwhelmingly American.No, it isn't. Oban Star Racers had a higher amount of Japanese staff members that were involved in more departments.

SigmaticDoc said:
It's pretty much the same thing, Neo Yokio is MAINLY being handled by the japanese staff anyways,

the japanese to american ratio shouldn't matter when the ones helming the project are japanese.

Comic_Sans said:
No, Neo Yokio is not mainly headed by the Japanese staff, only the animation studio and two of the directors are Japanese. Other than that the creator is American, the writers are American, the producers are American, practically EVERYTHING is American.And where did I say that? Oh wait, nowhere. I said the anime you mentioned had more Japanese staff members but also specifically that they had more Japanese staff members in MORE DEPARTMENTS.

SigmaticDoc said:
I'd be fine and all... if you were not speaking straight out of your ass.

Next time, maybe stop pretending you know it all with your psuedo-intellectual tone when you don't know shit.

Oban Star Racers' staff consists of 8 people, 4 of which are japanese and the other 4 being French.
Want me to tell you their roles in the production? Fuckin' sure.

Japanese Staff:
Yoko Kanno - music and composition

Taku Iwasaki - composition and arrangement

Katsunori Haruta - associate producer

Minoru Takanashi - associate producer

French Staff:
Thomas Romain - Co-director, character design, animation

Stanislas Brunet - Head Mecha & Background designer

Savin Yeatman-Eiffel - Creator, Director, Writer, Producer and the founder of the studio that animated.

Benoit Runel - Executive Producer

Japanese had much less involvement in Oban Star Racers than they did in Neo Yokio.
Besides music composition and some animation, japan really didn't do almost anything on Oban Star Racers.

Neither was it aimed at a Japanese Audience, the creator just wanted it to be an anime, not necessarily aimed at a japanese audience.

Neo Yokio is much more of an anime than Oban is, and yet it's not here because as I said, the DB moderators go on assumptions that maybe the japanese staff's directing is tampered with by the US staff, which is just an assumption and they can't be sure.

Comic_Sans said:
So now stating the truth and the facts equals "not knowing shit" and "being a pseudo intellectual"? Learn how to use words, because I don't think you know what they mean.No, they didn't. The series film editor, story board artists and some of the series animators were also Japanese. Neo Yokio's only Japanese staff were two episode directors, the pre production producer (who is practically irrelevant) and the animation studio. The only person talking out of your arse here is you.We've already been over this, the database guidelines have been changed and the "aimed at X audience" part doesn't apply anymore. Seriously, read my posts before you reply to them.No, it's not in the database because it's not an anime while Oban Star Racers is. It's not that hard to understand.

SigmaticDoc said:
90% of Neo Yokio's staff is korean though... Korean animation is anime,

and the animation is made by a korean studio.

Thus, if a US company hires Japanese animators solely to work on the animation this work will not be included in our database.

and not to mention that most of the western staff is actually just producers, not that much of involvement, whiile 2 of 3 directors over the course of the series are japanese

Comic_Sans said:
Again, who's the one not reading the database guidelines now?The fact that you're labelling the producers as "just producers" shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest was directed by Miloš Forman, who is from the Czech part of what used to be known as Czechoslovakia, yet it is not a Czechoslovakian-American film – one of the reasons being that none of the producers were from Czechoslovakia. The producers are more than "just producers".

SpadesofAce said:
Why are people still talking about this? It's already been decided and reconfirmed that Neo Yokio doesn't follow the guidelines of what MAL considers to be anime.

Comic_Sans said:
Oh really?Without those super irrelevant producers, your beloved Neo Yuckio wouldn't even have existed. Once again, if you're going to accuse me of "talking out of my ass", then you're going to have to wipe your own first.I debunked this in the very post you just replied to. Repeating a point that has already been addressed and debunked is not going to make that point any less incorrect.No, it isn't, and MAL agrees with me. That's why "pre production producer" isn't an available option when adding a new staff position.So your argument is that because MAL made a mistake once, that means it's totally fine if they do it again?

Do you even realize the illogicality of your line of reasoning?

Comic_Sans said:
So your argument is that because MAL made a mistake once, that means it's totally fine if they do it again?

Do you even realize the illogicality of your line of reasoning?

SigmaticDoc said:
Except pre-production producer IS the arguably the most important role, considering the pre-production producer picks everyone else (since he's usually the main producer), and he's responsible for managing resources and securing the film, making it safe from copyright and other legal issues.

They are not directly involved with the writing, they are not directly responsible for the writing or direction, they're there to make sure that the show happens, they don't create anything in it.

Other post said:
The fact that you're labelling the producers as "just producers" shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest was directed by Miloš Forman, who is from the Czech part of what used to be known as Czechoslovakia, yet it is not a Czechoslovakian-American film – one of the reasons being that none of the producers were from Czechoslovakia. The producers are more than "just producers".

Which was the main gripe the db mod in the other Neo Yokio thread had. As I said, he assumed that the producers may've had a hand in editing the content itself.

Did I mention that Furuhashi and Nishimura not only directed it, but they also storyboarded it?
Yea, this actually puts it on the same level as Oban Star Racers.

But even then, as I said, the two storyboard artists are the two japanese directors. It does have more actual japanese involvement in the actual production than it does have western, music aside.

It's because it's an anime, it got on here, it was during the times where they took into consideration the target audience, since it aired in Korea first. Coincidentally, they removed that guideline exactly because they didn't want to add Neo Yokio, it happened during the previous Neo Yokio thread where people were @ing them everytime they put out more information about Neo Yokio and why it should be on MAL, so they grasped at straws and decided to edit the guidelines.

Comic_Sans said:
"Pre" is the key word here. Once the production actually begins, they have no involvement in the project. Your arbitrary definition of "most important" might put the pre production producer on a pedestal as it fits, but I don't, and neither does MAL.I have already demonstrated that the producer is one of the most, if not the, major factors when it comes to determining whether a production should be considered from a specific countryWhy do you keep ignoring it? Is it because you have no argument?That's the DB's problem, not mine. Even when ignoring that part, it's not difficult to determine whether or not Neo Yuckio is an anime: it isn't.No, because Neo Yuckio has zero (0) producers that mattered and were Japanese while Oban Star Racers had two. Try again.Even if they had chosen not to edit the "target audience" part, Neo Yuckio still wouldn't have been an anime, as its target audience is Jayden Smith and Americans like Jayden Smith.

avory said:
@SigmaticDoc here's some J-pop for you.

SigmaticDoc said:
And Neo Yokio IS considered an American-Japanese production. Not an American production. So yeah. Kudos to your argument but it's invalid.

Second, ''pre'' is the keyword, since without the pre-production producer, the whole thing wouldn't happen in the first place, he's responsible for getting the whole crew together, human resources, etc. And near the middle of the production only does he separate that work to other producers that handle only one thing, be it either human resources, finances or copyright.
So yea, pre-production matters, and that's also one of the reasons it's not considered a purely American work but instead an American-Japanese production.

Neo Yokio's most vital producer is clearly Japanese.

It's not the producers that determine whether the production is one thing or the other.
The full staff involved in the production makes it so.

Eon Kid is not considered a spanish work alone, or only a korean work. It's a Spanish-Korean production because 2 executive producers are korean and the director is too. But it is written by spanish people, so writing doesn't matter, that was one of your first arguments with Neo Yokio. Hell, even Oban Star Racers is written by French, not by Japanese, the writing department doesn't matter.

You mentioned that Japanese did the storyboards, but Neo Yokio's storyboarding was done by the 2 Japanese directors.

Neo Yokio is an anime through and through. It's target audience is both Japanese and Americans, considering the simultaneous airing in both sides of the world.
And it also has a Japanese voice over... so yeah...

Neo Yokio's most integral producer was Japanese, while Oban's were just associate producer.
They're mainly just helping the main producer on the sidelines on a small scale and occasionally do the staff's schedules or hiring more staff.
There's a reason why pre-production and post-production are considered the most important categories of production in the world of film making.

And stop bringing up that movie, you answered it yourself. NONE of the producers were Czechoslovakian...

Comic_Sans said:
No, it's not, because it doesn't meet MAL's criteria nor mine of what constitutes an anime.Pre is the keyword because once the production actually begins, he has no involvement in the project. Nice try, but nobody cares about your arbitrary definitions.Are you trying to force me to bring up One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest for the fourth time? The producers DO matter.But the production department does matter, which is why OSR is on MAL as two out of four of its producers are Japanese.The two Japanese directors who were merely episode directors (the main director was American) and don't really matter in the long run because none of the producers that matter were Japanese.Netflix shows tend to air simultaneously all over the world and receive dubs whenever there's a market for it regardless of the show's target audience. Somebody doesn't seem to know how Netflix works.According to you, yes, according to the people whose definition of things actually matters, no, which is why Neo Yuckio will never be added to the database.I will keep on bringing it up until you have actually managed to debunk my arguments, something which you have yet to do.

SigmaticDoc said:
I did, but I guess you didn't fucking read the final part of the last sentence you quoted. Neo Yokio HAS a Japanse producer and he is arguably the most important one.

"According to the people whose definition actually matters". Yeah, 90% of producers in the film industry.

They weren't "just episode directors", one of them directed 5 episodes and the other directed 1 episode, in total making all of the 6 episodes. They were the main directors of each episode they did. Ben Jones was the creative director, he was responsible the overall visual look of the production, he wasn't the main director.

one of them directed 5 episodes and the other directed 1 episode

episodes

not the whole series

episode director

Neo Yokio's country of origin is considered both the US and Japan. Hell, it was made in Japan. Furuhashi and Nishimura didn't fly out of Japan, it was a smaller project for them and their plates in Japan were full of projects.

The Producers do matter, but not only they matter. Is it that fucking hard to grasp this?

No one cares about YOURS arbitrary definitions. Maybe fucking google what a pre-production producer is before looking so stupid?

Comic_Sans said:
Neo Yuckio has one Japanese producer and SHE is only the pre production producer. I read everything I quote before quoting it, you see.According to MAL, no, which is why "pre production producer" isn't an option when adding staff positions to the database.How is it even possible to try so hard to prove your opponent wrong and yet you not only fail to do so, you also end up debunking your own argument?No shit that a show that was animated by a Japanese studio was animated in Japan. That doesn't make it an anime, as established by the database guidelines.Is it "that fucking hard" to grasp that the producers are the most determinant factor as to whether or not a production should be considered Japanese or not? One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest and multiple other examples prove this.Maybe you should learn how to argue before you try to argue with Comic_Sans?

SigmaticDoc said:
The thing is, Furuhashi IS the main director, Nishimoto was the episode director.Totalling 6 episodes.

By your definition, no one in the world of TV series is a director, all of them are episode directors. Considering that the main director almost never directs all episodes considering TV shows contain plenty of episode directors.

No matter how hard you try to twist the definition, Jones IS not the main director, he's the creative director. Maybe look up what they actually did instead of just opening fucking imdb?

News Flash buddy :

Section I: Anime Additions

1. The following entries are allowed in the anime database:
Professionally produced, animated works created:
in Japan for the Japanese market;
in Korea/China for the Korean/Chinese market;
as a joint production between Japan/Korea/China and another country.
Note: This does not include productions where only the animation is outsourced.


Neo Yokio is a joint production between the US and Japan. It wasn't outsourced to Japan but to Korea for the animation.. The storyboard, the direction and the entire pre-production are made by Japanese,

and people big in the anime industry nontheless. Furuhashi is the director of goddamn Rurouni Kenshin.

Maybe get fucking educated before you put your self on a pedestal.