Nyah_Chan said: As someone who's not small minded... I'll tell that... Your statement applies only to a certain demographic what? im saying that this idea that is vastly increased is bullshit nordic5king said: I don't mind a bit of fan service, but it has to be with the right genres. Fan service scenes for me look really out of place next to horror, thriller, mystery, and psychological genres (looking at you HSOD). Mainly because I feel like they distract you from focusing on the main story and I feel it damages the whole 'atmosphere' if its in a genre that focuses on sexual content, then its not fanservice HoTD is fanservice cause the sexual stuff isnt a part of the plot Keijo isnt fanservice because the ass and titties drive the plot and lastly, being "distracted" or feeling the mood was killed is a personal problem |
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| It depends on how it is used, if it does not interrupt anything important then it is fine. Also, fanservice not always mean ecchi scenes. For example: and this: |
| Wow, never seen a topic like this before /s I don't really mind fanservice. Sometimes I see it and ask myself, "Was that really necessary?", but it's never distracted me from the plot and I would never go as far as to drop an anime over it. I think the main reason why people dislike it is because it gives anime a bad reputation to outsiders. |
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Gohdhand said: Nyu said: Fanservice is good, because it keeps the Feminists out of anime. It does the exact opposite because it gives them fuel to complain about anime. I feel like their complaints are unjustified, but still. Their complaints will always be ignored by the Japanese, so they won't have any success and their movement would lose steam. |
EcchiKingMamster said: Nyah_Chan said: As someone who's not small minded... I'll tell that... Your statement applies only to a certain demographic what? im saying that this idea that is vastly increased is bullshit nordic5king said: I don't mind a bit of fan service, but it has to be with the right genres. Fan service scenes for me look really out of place next to horror, thriller, mystery, and psychological genres (looking at you HSOD). Mainly because I feel like they distract you from focusing on the main story and I feel it damages the whole 'atmosphere' if its in a genre that focuses on sexual content, then its not fanservice HoTD is fanservice cause the sexual stuff isnt a part of the plot Keijo isnt fanservice because the ass and titties drive the plot and lastly, being "distracted" or feeling the mood was killed is a personal problem I'm saying your opinion only applies to a certain demographic... |
whether or not there's more or less of something is not a matter of opinion Nyu said: Gohdhand said: It does the exact opposite because it gives them fuel to complain about anime. I feel like their complaints are unjustified, but still. Their complaints will always be ignored by the Japanese, so they won't have any success and their movement would lose steam. if anything, whenever people make complaint articles or videos about sexy shots or w/e it just gets people like me to watch or play the games or shows due to the free publicity |
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EcchiKingMamster said: whether or not there's more or less of something is not a matter of opinion Nyu said: Their complaints will always be ignored by the Japanese, so they won't have any success and their movement would lose steam. if anything, whenever people make complaint articles or videos about sexy shots or w/e it just gets people like me to watch or play the games or shows due to the free publicity I've considered trying to push Western Feminism out of Anime, like to make a site to counter Anime Feminist's propaganda, tho I would do that once I have converted most people on Mal to be anti Feminist. |
| I don't mind fanservice, to be honest, I miss fanservice in some animes. But too much fanservice give some animes a bad reputation, which isn't good for some fans. (sorry for the bad english lol) |
| Oh boi, here comes the flying shit again... But in all honestly I don't care because it's one of things that makes anime anime. |
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Nyu said: I've considered trying to push Western Feminism out of Anime, like to make a site to counter Anime Feminist's propaganda, tho I would do that once I have converted most people on Mal to be anti Feminist. ive heard of japan increasing fanservice in some instances just to piss them off, so idk if thats a good idea Simbapumbaetimao said: But too much fanservice give some animes a bad reputation, which isn't good for some fans. those "fans" have no business watching |
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why have a 1 liter when you can a have a 2 liter? why have beer when you can have vodka? why pick a mid tier character when you can pick a top tier? why watch anime when you can experience real life? why do this when you can do that?? because the existence one thing doesn't make the existence of another any less relevant, and not everyone likes hentai anyway |
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Azeew said: Older_than_dirt said: As if women haven't used bikinis or other clothing fashions as a way of competing with each other prior to this.... Was there a "winner" in that contest? If so, then the story progressed and the plot continued. Sounds to me like they "enhanced" the plot rather than "interfere" with it. WHAT? LOL Transforming a serious fight tournament into a bikini contest IS NOT INTERFERING WITH THE PLOT? It's ENHANCING it? Don't you forget, your point was that the dude was the problem, and not the series, cause he couldn't focus on the plot cause of the fanservice. The plot: A fight tournament, where each match determines a winner and a loser. How they fight is just aesthetics. The fact that there was a winner and a loser satisfies the basic requirements of the plot. Just because someone can't take that match seriously now that it became a bikini contest, doesn't mean the plot was thrown out the window. It just wasn't how they expected the plot to be executed when that match started, but it was executed none-the-less. Manaban said: It's the greatest thing that anime has to offer, if you ask me. Anime girls tend to be exceedingly attractive, and then if you get the mix just right and add an attractive character on top of that attractive physique, I can't think of anything that comes close to such gratification that anime has offered me so far. On the flipside, I'm also somebody who just enjoys looking at these types of things in general and have been for a solid while now, and it's probably one of the major reasons I've been able to latch onto anime like I have over the past couple of years. I'm also not especially picky with it - I don't mind if it's in an action scene, or in some other scene where others deem it out of place. I kind of operate in an extreme when I say all lewd is good, I guess - if you ask me, there's almost never a bad time to get to look at an attractive body from a favorable angle - and I'm never opposed to looking at an attractive female's body whenever I have that sort of opportunity.... This says it quite well.. Around here, the ones that "complain" the loudest about sexualized fan service are usually the trolls, just looking to trigger people. |
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Manaban said: It's the greatest thing that anime has to offer, if you ask me. Anime girls tend to be exceedingly attractive, and then if you get the mix just right and add an attractive character on top of that attractive physique, I can't think of anything that comes close to such gratification that anime has offered me so far. On the flipside, I'm also somebody who just enjoys looking at these types of things in general and have been for a solid while now, and it's probably one of the major reasons I've been able to latch onto anime like I have over the past couple of years. I'm also not especially picky with it - I don't mind if it's in an action scene, or in some other scene where others deem it out of place. I kind of operate in an extreme when I say all lewd is good, I guess - if you ask me, there's almost never a bad time to get to look at an attractive body from a favorable angle - and I'm never opposed to looking at an attractive female's body whenever I have that sort of opportunity. Not that I just go around in public ogling every woman on the street that has a good look to her, but you get what I mean. When boundaries aren't being crossed, personal space isn't being invaded, and these things are presented to you in such a way that is asking you to look, then it's an excellent release. It can also capture the imagination better than something that hentai would - I read a comparison between a porno magazine for hentai and a swimsuit magazine for ecchi, and while I'd usually argue that ecchi tends to be more lewd than a swimsuit magazine (or at least what I'd call the ideal amount of lewdness found the ones I'd call the best) I find that to be a rather apt comparison to the purpose they serve. It's great, basically. A great outlet, great at capturing the imagination, and just good to look at if you're in the mood for it. For how it could appeal to others, I buy into the idea of Consumer Lovemaps when it comes to erotic response and consumerism, which, to whittle it down in how these types of things can appeal to an audience, it puts erotic response closer to comedic response. You can discuss it to dig into why you found something sexy (or funny) and really try to look into how it's framed or the context of it, etc etc. And yes, anime falls, walking into a room of girls changing, a girl having an accident to expose her panties, all of those are still "context" - whether or not it's "good" context is what needs to be discussed in those realms, not just basely accusing it of possessing no context or relevance to whatever is happening in a scene, which is absolutely and factually false. And that in mind, the ones with such minimal context that it borderlines on none, and are just bits of exposure happening in a scene with nothing really else happening, i.e. you can find a good few panty shots like this in the Rosario to Vampire anime, seem rather rare and over-emphasized in terms of frequency which is why I tend to veer away from the "it's bad because it's distracting" camp. More often than not it's still a part of the show in how it's framed and handled, even if it's not as especially relevant to an over-arching narrative you'd like. Criticize it for possessing those scenes at times you find innappropriate, criticize it whenever you feel it's falling back on reiterating oft-used tropes, complain that you just don't like what it added to the series (though that's not really a criticism in the sense that nobody could really challenge or discuss it and shouldn't be treated like anything more than just not falling into your tastes as an individual audience member) - that's all fine and good. It just feels like when people who aren't really, really into ecchi try to dig their hands into it, they don't put the necessary amount of thought and effort into what makes it good or not and thus I feel like rather asinine conclusions can often be reached, and when you throw in tandem with how people don't budge and so often will just dismiss anything you have to say because of their personal tastes, in spite of projecting their ideas as being something that could improve it on the whole and legitimate, unbiased criticisms, discussing it with outsiders becomes an incredibly frustrating experience. Mamster and I have talked about why so few ecchifags actively use AD, since what AD really gets is the tip of the iceberg, and it's kind of easy to see why sometimes >_> But I digressed heavily, back to the idea of consumer lovemaps - in layman's terms, that theory is essentially "what one finds attractive is largely up to their discretion." It makes it a more difficult genre to really dig your fingers into because of as much - you can try to explain why you found something attractive, but if somebody doesn't share the same types of attraction than you do or they find it unattractive, it'll just fall on deaf ears and be meaningless, no matter how much you try to discuss it from a technical perspective. Which is why I drew a comparison to comedy - you can discuss the technical aspects of comedy and try to gain a better understanding of it, but if you don't share a similar sense of humor to the series in question then you're still unlikely to find it funny. While an argument to an audience member misunderstanding the jokes can be made with comedy and that an explanation can tend to help, the same doesn't necessarily apply to ecchi because of how straightforward sexual appeal tends to be compared to comedic appeal. As such, discussing it with others requires a good degree of patience and understanding for these things, and since this is AD and AD is AD, this often leads these topics to becoming irradiated hellholes. Abominations of a discussion that lead a sad existence, basically begging to be shot in the head to end their misery. Tired discussions that people have long accepted will never truly go anywhere, without even realizing that the reason these discussions tend to be so tired and visceral relies more on a very widespread awful approach to the topic moreso than the topic itself. The fault lies with the people in it so much more often than not, and it is changeable once these basic guidelines of just how much sexual appeal is rooted in taste and preference. It can still be discussed at a level attempting to remove those elements, of course, as I've stated already - but it's just one of these things that removing it in terms of how "good" an ecchi is at what it does can hold less bearing than it would with most other genres. Doesn't help that there's people who are more apt to just begin ascribing nonsense, as we've seen in another thread recently - fans view the characters as nothing but sex objects, fans just want to self-insert, ecchi is low-effort and is just a cash-grab for basement dwelling losers, non-fans are trying hard to look like they possess refined taste, non-fans are gay, etc etc. The reason that nobody can discuss these things reasonably in such an extreme like we often witness in these topics really is more on them than anything else. It can be an interesting topic to discuss, one that's barely had the surface scratched on it at that, if you're willing to put aside your embarrassment at some of the things you might be saying as well as either try to mitigate your biases more and gain a better understanding of the technical side of things or just are willing to be more tolerant over other's tastes and preferences given how rooted erotic response is in personal tastes and preferences - y'know, the same things that need improvement on every corner of shitty AD discussions, I'd wager. It's not a tired topic at all. We've barely even legitimately dug into it on this site, we've been trying to mine for precious minerals without as much as a pickaxe or a headlight this entire time. It doesn't help that there are many people who can't even really properly differentiate these types of scenes from non-sexual scenes in general. So much as a girl wearing a tank top shirt that shows a tiny bit of her cleavage and nothing more - never even draws attention to that aspect of how she dresses specifically - is too much for some people. Sometimes I wonder if people who lie on the other extreme just want every female character to wear a burka with how they treat characters that show more than their face, forearms, and maybe calves if it's a good day as being an inherent fanservice character. It's ridiculous to me how jumpy and cagey some people tend to be at these aspects and point to things that aren't even really being sexualized by the show as being sexualized just because they're wearing a mildly revealing outfit. I'm really not trying to be mean when I say that in some cases, what's being complained about seems so tame and, again, not even sexaulized, and yet evokes such a negative reaction decrying it as fanservice that I feel like they just might not have any self-control over their own libido, with some of the things that get decried as being inappropriate fanservice. Which doesn't seem healthy to me at all. Of course there are a lot of times where I see what they mean with it being fanservice, and I tend to not care about it in those case, it can be fair enough - but sometimes it's just outright baffling to me with what issues are taken. I guess these extremities can be attributed to the number of teenagers in this community as well as the emphasis on critical analysis that's been pushed as if it were a doctrine of sorts, which the current critical consensus within the anime community can often lead to people thinking that sexualization of any type, even when it's an integral part of the show like in TLR:D or MonMusu, as has been mentioned above, is just inherently bad. Which is probably why I've been so distrusting of what appears to be the critical consensus for so long. Ironically, the ones who seem to compose the upper echelons of critics on this site, such as Archaeon, have made it transparent that they don't follow that absurd doctrine with their reviews and it's only prominent with this site's weaker reviewers. It's just that this site's weaker critics tend to be the significant majority and so when so many people say these things people just follow them. Idk, fuck what looks like the consensus on fanservice as is right now regardless of my own postulation or theories over it. Either way, it seems to be a part of anime analysis, a slowly changing one but one nonetheless, and I strongly believe it should be tossed out in favor of looking at it for what it is and how it handles these things if it's going to be in a review. Not the current normality of just decrying ecchi or sexualization existing in a series and painting it as an inherent bad, which is quite prominent and reason for concern on my end. Really loves their fanservice lol Anyway, Im fine with it depending on what im watching. I only dislike it when it seems forced into an anime that has no elements related to something that should have fanservice |
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insoniacv said: How does everyone feel about fanservice in anime? I like fanservice. I like fanservice as a concept - it services fans (that is, me), and there aren't enough things that service me in this world. I like sexual fanservice - because I am a creepy healthy guy who finds anime girls attractive. I like cameo fanservice - because I have seen many anime and enjoy seeing my favorite characters once again. I like gratuitous explosions, pretty backgrounds and so on, because I am a visually-oriented guy. I like all other kinds of fanservice even if I don't know what they are. Sure, sometimes I can't enjoy fanservice. I mean, what's the point of seeing underwear when a girl is eaten by zombies or badly beaten by mafia thugs? Judging by Freezing, somebody must enjoy this stuff, but that somebody is not me. Sure, some shows aren't as good at fanservice as others. Najika's constant white panties aren't as fun as Strike Witches' colorful panties pants. I still appreciate Najika trying. Azeew said: Older_than_dirt said: As if women haven't used bikinis or other clothing fashions as a way of competing with each other prior to this.... Was there a "winner" in that contest? If so, then the story progressed and the plot continued. Sounds to me like they "enhanced" the plot rather than "interfere" with it. WHAT? LOL Transforming a serious fight tournament into a bikini contest IS NOT INTERFERING WITH THE PLOT? It's ENHANCING it? Don't you forget, your point was that the dude was the problem, and not the series, cause he couldn't focus on the plot cause of the fanservice. Can you put a spoiler describing what exactly happened for those of us who haven't seen that much Fairy Tail? I still consider anything breaking the monotony of tournament arcs of battle anime to be a good thing. Tournament arcs are the most boring part of a genre that isn't fun enough as it is. Akanoshi_ said: why have fanservice when you have hentai * Because you can't have hentai in a proper TV anime. Censorship. * Because otaku will be unhappy to see their waifu's virginity taken. * Because our brave heroine getting raped every episode would detract from her badassery a lot. * Because our brave heroine getting raped every episode would take up too much time from the plot. nordic5king said: I don't mind a bit of fan service, but it has to be with the right genres. Fan service scenes for me look really out of place next to horror, thriller, mystery, and psychological genres (looking at you HSOD). Mainly because I feel like they distract you from focusing on the main story and I feel it damages the whole 'atmosphere' In my opinion, HSotD's fanservice did work nicely with its atmosphere. It made it raw/wild/adult, as it should be in an anime that features betrayals, people being bastards in general, unlikely alliances, tough decisions, killing your former friends and so on. It's a sanitized show about magical girls saving the world with friendship and smiles that would make fanservice look out of place. logopolis said: Nyu said: Fanservice is good, because it keeps the Feminists out of anime. Nonsense. Wanting equality between the sexes doesn't stop you appreciating pictures of whatever bodies you're attracted to. So says this feminist. I agree. Being a feminist doesn't mean you don't want to see their panties, it means you appreciate non-sexual things they do too. |
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logopolis said: Nyu said: Fanservice is good, because it keeps the Feminists out of anime. Nonsense. Wanting equality between the sexes doesn't stop you appreciating pictures of whatever bodies you're attracted to. So says this feminist. You're clearly misinformed. Egalitarianism is for Equality, Feminism is for the Equality of women, to the point where women are above men in all aspects, and it never ends, as shown in the West. |
| I severely hate sexual fanservice. I want it all to die in a fire. I'm forever tired of seeing unrealistic breast sizes, and women walking around in panties/bras or leotards. Moreover I'm sick of skin tight body suits with their too big breasts hanging out of them as well. I also loathe military/apocalyptic anime that will have the guys dressed accordingly,but lo and behold the women will be scantily clad or in a tiny school girl outfit. Double points if she's a loli to. There's only one reason for this to be the case. She exists to be a fetish. Setting be damned. For example the female characters of Seraph of the End. Basically a woman's design will mostly be sexualized even though the setting is unrealistic for it. Her technical role in a story is smokescreen. Her true role is to be eye candy. It's also why a female character will barely have good writing or characterization to her. Why give her that when her true purpose is to be a hole. I wish character designers would get it though their heads that a women can be attractive with their clothes on, and with a normal breast size just fine. I want to see less of this shit I'll never watch it,but why is this military main character dressed like this? A 15 Year old girl from My Hero Academia. I'll throw in a video game character to since it's a medium that suffers from the same highly sexual bs. I never played this franchise,but I know of the supremely laughable bs excuse for her and that rain scene. and more of this. [spoiler  [/spoiler]The vast majority of anime and games are made by men for men and thus their guiding principle when they make female characters is testosterone. That's why I wish more women got into writing and designing. Maybe then my gender will be treated more like a humanbeing instead of walking fapping material. Even this website shows heavy testosterone in play. Most of the users and mods are male, and two most of the signatures are heavily sexual. I hate looking down at sig images because it's all mostly planet breasts, women lounging around in panties, revealing clothing,lolita's, butts, sexual school girl uniforms,extremely sexual poses etc. Basically sexual fanservice is annoying and unnecessary, and this is especially true for anime with a serious tone. Code Geass and its Ova's for example. I wish anime in general would take a godsize page out of Attack on Titan's playbook.The strong lack of sexual fanservice in it made me want to back-flip to the moon. You don't know how much I want to kiss the creator for that. Added surprising bonus he's male. He proved you don't need unnecessary and unrealistic tantalization to be popular. |
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| fanservice itself isn't really good or bad it just depends on how much its used, what its used on, and the anime its in |
fantasynight04 said: Basically sexual fanservice is annoying and unnecessary, and this is especially true for anime with a serious tone. Code Geass and its Ova's for example. I wish all anime in general would take a godsize page out of Attack on Titan's playbook.The strong lack of sexual fanservice in it made me want to back-flip to the moon. You don't know how much I want to kiss the creator for that. Added surprising bonus he's male. He proved you don't need unnecessary and unrealistic tantalization to be popular. Well, good authors don't need fanservice in their work. It's a cheap strategy that bad authors use cause they know they are terrible at what they do, so they have to resort into such thing so they can sell their products to 14 year old males. And I'm calling it: There's not a single ecchi heavy show with a single character that is anything but one-dimensional. There might be one or two anime out there that are actually beyond this rule, but I still haven't found those. But well, saying this is like criticizing Brazzers for a lack of plot on their work. They are delivering sexual entertainment for the masses that look for it, so there's nothing wrong with it. |
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| Fanservice too me most of the time is just series who's main purpose is to just sell toys (i.e The Neo Saban era of Power Rangers which let's be honest... those whose still watch it you know it's just a commerical to just sell toys. But if were talking about fanservice in anime... I really don't mind it honestly, unless ecchi is just main purpose of the show... I wouldn't mind it. But however, if not... it's best to keep it in the DL... otherwise this show would be in a world of hate. |
| @fantasynight04 - I tried to group my answers by topic, instead of the sequence in the original post. fantasynight04 said: The vast majority of anime and games are made by men for men and thus their guiding principle when they make female characters is testosterone. That's why I wish more women got into writing and designing. Maybe then my gender will be treated more like a humanbeing instead of walking fapping material. Being good-looking and having fanservice scenes does not preclude being human. My favorite example is Kodomo no Jikan. It is written by a woman, and does a good job giving everybody a personality, and the work a purpose. It also includes elementary school girls being sexy and trying to be sexy. fantasynight04 said: I also loathe military/apocalyptic anime that will have the guys dressed accordingly,but lo and behold the women will be scantily clad or in a tiny school girl outfit. Double points if she's a loli to. There's only one reason for this to be the case. She exists to be a fetish. Setting be damned. For example the female characters of Seraph of the End. Basically a woman's design will mostly be sexualized even though the setting is unrealistic for it. Her technical role in a story is smokescreen. Her true role is to be eye candy. I would like you to stop objectifying female characters like that. A female's worth is not restricted to her sex appeal (even though I prefer it when they have sex appeal in addition to whatever other roles they have). You sound just as bad as the kids who claim they lose sight of all the plot just because the anime flashed some panties. fantasynight04 said: It's also why a female character will barely have good writing or characterization to her. Why give her that when her true purpose is to be a hole. In general, I find that in modern anime, female characters usually have similar amounts of characterization to male characters of the same level of prominence and transparency. Sometimes they have even more of it, because the author cares about the female characters more. I understand that some people want more characterization in every character, and call everybody who is satisfied with low levels of characterization "autistic", but I do not agree with those people. Maybe because I am actually bad at understanding people. fantasynight04 said: Basically sexual fanservice is annoying and unnecessary, and this is especially true for anime with a serious tone. Code Geass and its Ova's for example. I wish anime in general would take a godsize page out of Attack on Titan's playbook.The strong lack of sexual fanservice in it made me want to back-flip to the moon. You don't know how much I want to kiss the creator for that. Added surprising bonus he's male. He proved you don't need unnecessary and unrealistic tantalization to be popular. Proved? We knew it all along. Just write for kids, and you wouldn't need any fanservice. Most shounen long-runners are very low on sexual fanservice, because the authors do not expect the audience to care. And they are the really popular anime. Well, actually works for other audiences don't really need fanservice too. That's why it's called fanservice. Even romantic comedies can work without fanservice, like Nisekoi or Jitsu wa watashi wa demonstrate. fantasynight04 said: I wish character designers would get it though their heads that a women can be attractive with their clothes on, and with a normal breast size just fine. I am sure plenty of them understand it. The ones who design revealing costumes and oversized breasts are doing that on purpose. (I think the ones who design huge breasts just like it themselves) Motoko Kusanagi isn't military. She works in a fictional secret service similar to FBI or KGB. I think she dresses like this to stay in touch with her femininity. Because she doesn't have much of it otherwise - she is a full-body cyborg and a hardcore superagent commander. She never gives a straight answer in the anime, just like with every other personal question. She is mysterious like that, but I guess that's a professional necessity in her line of business. Note that she isn't above wearing actual armor in cases where she expects heavy fighting. But most of the time, being made of metal is enough armor. I think you will like GitS if you actually watch it. |
Azeew said: fantasynight04 said: Basically sexual fanservice is annoying and unnecessary, and this is especially true for anime with a serious tone. Code Geass and its Ova's for example. I wish all anime in general would take a godsize page out of Attack on Titan's playbook.The strong lack of sexual fanservice in it made me want to back-flip to the moon. You don't know how much I want to kiss the creator for that. Added surprising bonus he's male. He proved you don't need unnecessary and unrealistic tantalization to be popular. Well, good authors don't need fanservice in their work. It's a cheap strategy that bad authors use cause they know they are terrible at what they do, so they have to resort into such thing so they can sell their products to 14 year old males. Ecchi authors can be pretty good at what they do. Since I already mentioned Kodomo no Jikan, now it's Centaur's Worries turn - that manga is everything, with the main reasons to read it (or watch the anime) being worldbuilding and a possibility to look back on our world through a warped mirror. Azeew said: And I'm calling it: There's not a single ecchi heavy show with a single character that is anything but one-dimensional. There might be one or two anime out there that are actually beyond this rule, but I still haven't found those. You are probably one of those people who claim any girl who was ever angry is a tsundere and one-dimensional. When the characteristic of tsundere is inherently two-dimensional, and actual characters aren't reduced to this trope and have other traits too. First, provide definitions of "one-dimenstional" and "not one-dimensional". I will take a page of best ecchi anime ( https://myanimelist.net/anime/genre/9/Ecchi , your choice of most popular or highest-rated) and will describe characters that don't fit your narrow view. |
| well fanservice is just making a scene all out perfect. like take for example if your watching a show for its blood and gore and general wanton slaughter, show those deaths in a "disturbing" way IS fanservice. so yes I love it. Unfortunately on mal fanservice usually means panty shots or ecchii garbage. which is worthless and I wont waste time on a show with that shit in it, so NO! |
flannan said: Ecchi authors can be pretty good at what they do. Since I already mentioned Kodomo no Jikan, now it's Centaur's Worries turn - that manga is everything, with the main reasons to read it (or watch the anime) being worldbuilding and a possibility to look back on our world through a warped mirror. Writing the name of two shows that I have never heard of and saying you think they are good will never prove a point. lol flannan said: You are probably one of those people who claim any girl who was ever angry is a tsundere and one-dimensional. When the characteristic of tsundere is inherently two-dimensional, and actual characters aren't reduced to this trope and have other traits too. First, provide definitions of "one-dimenstional" and "not one-dimensional". I will take a page of best ecchi anime ( https://myanimelist.net/anime/genre/9/Ecchi , your choice of most popular or highest-rated) and will describe characters that don't fit your narrow view. First of all, "ecchi" is not a defining genre by any means. It's beyond my understanding how you think you can use a list of anime that has ecchi to counter-argument what I'm saying. By the way, a good three-dimensional character, 90% of the time, won't have a strong and defining first dimension like "tsundere". Tsunderes reflect more animals then actual humans. |
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SliusarekI said: Depends. Fan-service is great if it fits. If it doesn't, then it just looks cheap. There is no such thing as "low art". Art doesn't have to be boring or too metaphorical to be artsy. The main purpose of art is to entertain people, to make them feel something good. Dividing art into "high and low" is just a sign of elitist behavior. Do you have any idea what you're talking about? lol |
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| Well I guess it depends on the series and the type of Fanservice they give. There is always some Fanservice in every anime and some times it's and other times we may wonder why they even did what they did. |
Azeew said: SliusarekI said: Depends. Fan-service is great if it fits. If it doesn't, then it just looks cheap. There is no such thing as "low art". Art doesn't have to be boring or too metaphorical to be artsy. The main purpose of art is to entertain people, to make them feel something good. Dividing art into "high and low" is just a sign of elitist behavior. Do you have any idea what you're talking about? lol You mean do you have any clue what @Azeew is on about? Basically, if the animation looks crap then ecchi will also look shit. When its good art then it is also good ecchi. |
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Renaultclio101 said: You mean do you have any clue what @Azeew is on about? Basically, if the animation looks crap then ecchi will also look shit. When its good art then it is also good ecchi. Google "low art x high art", this is absolutely not what I'm talking about xD |
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| When it suits the show and story, sure. When it's all camera panning and weird angles to get it, no. |
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| They do more harm than good WHEN shoehorned in animes that have no business in doing fanservices. Classroom of the Elite is a perfect example of this. That is not to say that EVERY anime that utilizes fanservice are bad, see Shimoneta and Prison School for a good example. That being said, more often than not, MOST ecchi animes are just too shallow and take themselves seriously. |
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Azeew said: flannan said: Ecchi authors can be pretty good at what they do. Since I already mentioned Kodomo no Jikan, now it's Centaur's Worries turn - that manga is everything, with the main reasons to read it (or watch the anime) being worldbuilding and a possibility to look back on our world through a warped mirror. Writing the name of two shows that I have never heard of and saying you think they are good will never prove a point. lol If you're a noob who doesn't know about Kodomo no Jikan, what are you doing discussing fanservice? Kids these days. I mean, I don't expect everybody to watch it, but they should have at least know about it and fear it. Well, you have seen To Love Ru, Highschool of the Dead, IS: Infinite Stratos and Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai, so I guess you have some idea what ecchi anime is like. So there is really no excuse for your ignorance. You are just a shitty edgelord who considers crap like Monster and Fate/Zero to be good. Azeew said: flannan said: You are probably one of those people who claim any girl who was ever angry is a tsundere and one-dimensional. When the characteristic of tsundere is inherently two-dimensional, and actual characters aren't reduced to this trope and have other traits too. First, provide definitions of "one-dimenstional" and "not one-dimensional". I will take a page of best ecchi anime ( https://myanimelist.net/anime/genre/9/Ecchi , your choice of most popular or highest-rated) and will describe characters that don't fit your narrow view. First of all, "ecchi" is not a defining genre by any means. It's beyond my understanding how you think you can use a list of anime that has ecchi to counter-argument what I'm saying. Try not excluding your initial claim from the quote tower, and you might actually understand what we're talking about, baka. The easiest way to find shows heavy on sexual fanservice is to browse "ecchi" category in a database like MAL. Making it the top page of said category is a reasonable way to select the ones that are relatively good. You claim that none of them have characters more complicated than "one-dimensional", which I find obviously wrong, which is the reason I'm picking this fight. Azeew said: By the way, a good three-dimensional character, 90% of the time, won't have a strong and defining first dimension like "tsundere". Tsunderes reflect more animals then actual humans. I do not care about your definition of "three-dimensional" or "good" character. Your claim requires you to define "one-dimensional". I also consider your definition of "three-dimensional" (the character cannot be easily described) to be a sign of poor writing. |
| @flannan Wow, I'm really overwhelmed by such complex arguments you're making! First of all, chill the fuck up. You're getting triggered for no reason. I was gonna explain why you're absolutely wrong, but after "I also consider your definition of "three-dimensional" (the character cannot be easily described) to be a sign of poor writing." I'm pretty much done here. |
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SliusarekI said: Nyu said: Fanservice is good, because it keeps the Feminists out of anime. What? Anime is actually quite good for feminists. There's a ton of female characters that kick ass of males and are much stronger than males. Just because there is a certain amount of fan-service around female characters, doesn't mean anime is going to get feminists triggered... More than that, if a person truly believes that women are oppressed in Europe, Americas or Asia, I highly doubt that person would even consider treating anime as something that is worth talking about. They're usually into politics and some other boring stuff. They may watch some movies and TV shows that are often talked about, so that they can have more reasons to feel oppressed. They won't care about anime, until it gets on billboards and until it occupies YouTube ads. Clearly you haven't seen the backlash from feminists in this anime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhk3py8437c |
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| If it is backed up by a pretty good story or music then its okay. |
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SliusarekI said: nekrot1co0 said: Clearly you haven't seen the backlash from feminists in this anime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhk3py8437c Clearly you haven't seen the backlash from feminists in other areas of culture. Clearly you haven't seen how feminists can butcher a whole movie franchise, turn your beloved characters into female parodies and etc. Clearly I haven't? I simply pointed out to you how THIRD WAVE feminism is trying to ruin anime, since you seem to think feminism in its current form, is good to be part of I would agree that feminism is already in anime, but the new generation of feminism that is slowly trying to seep into Anime culture is simply toxic. SliusarekI said: nekrot1co0 said: Clearly you haven't seen the backlash from feminists in this anime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhk3py8437c Clearly you haven't seen the backlash from feminists in other areas of culture. Clearly you haven't seen how feminists can butcher a whole movie franchise, turn your beloved characters into female parodies and etc. Oh I have seen it all, and I agree with you, but clearly you missed my point. |
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