Zapredon said: Seiya said: Well, I thought I'd chip in, seeing that you came into this thread complaining that all of us old school fans are apparently "haters" to you. Go read some Spider-man comics or something. For the last time, I never care if they are hater or not, I'm just saying there are more old anime fans try to prove old anime is superior rather than the other way around. Man, you're like a broken record! Believe what you want to believe. |
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Seiya said: Zapredon said: For the last time, I never care if they are hater or not, I'm just saying there are more old anime fans try to prove old anime is superior rather than the other way around. Man, you're like a broken record! Believe what you want to believe. No, you are the broken record here. I already pointed it out from my first reply to you that I'm just saying there are more people actively saying old anime is superior than modern anime. I never care if people like you or Fvlminatvs prefer old anime over new anime. Here's is my first reply to you in this thread. Zapredon said: Perhaps so but regardless of whatever reason they do that, it still doesn't change the fact people who claim old anime is superior outnumber people who claim modern day is superior and I disagree with people who said there are more people saying old anime is inferior. That's the point I'm trying to make. Stop putting word into my mouth. I never accuse them of being hater. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Zapredon said: No, you are the broken record here. I already pointed it out from my first reply to you that I'm just saying there are more people actively saying old anime is superior than modern anime. I never care if people like you or Fvlminatvs prefer old anime over new anime. Here's is my first reply to you in this thread. Zapredon said: Perhaps so but regardless of whatever reason they do that, it still doesn't change the fact people who claim old anime is superior outnumber people who claim modern day is superior and I disagree with people who said there are more people saying old anime is inferior. That's the point I'm trying to make. Stop putting word into my mouth. I never accuse them of being hater. So......... Are you done yet? I'm going to bed now. |
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Seiya said: Zapredon said: No, you are the broken record here. I already pointed it out from my first reply to you that I'm just saying there are more people actively saying old anime is superior than modern anime. I never care if people like you or Fvlminatvs prefer old anime over new anime. Here's is my first reply to you in this thread. Stop putting word into my mouth. I never accuse them of being hater. So......... Are you done yet? I'm going to bed now. As long as you stop putting word into my mouth on something I never said,then I'm done. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Jonouchi-Katsuya said: Sailor Moon Musicals are the best to be honest. <3 I love the musicals. But I do think that the breathing room in the anime really does make the original anime better than the manga. It really does give you time to love the girls more. One of the few times when filler was actually better. Yugioh actually didn't benefit at all from filler. XD All of which was there just to make Kaiba seem coolio and for there to be Yugioh Atlantis and also because Stargate also did it. Honestly even if you are out to sell a thing (yokai watch) you can still be good. Least to me. All anime is out to sell a thing. Honestly I could give a flying fuck about being faithful to a manga. I prefer 2003 Full Metal Alchemist to Brotherhood. But you know, that is because anime is an entirely different medium from manga. I have a friend who likes fillers, reason being they often are lighter than the main plot. Each to their own and such. But if we didn't have fillers in YGO we wouldn't have Honda as monkey and these quality animations and I wouldn't wanna live in that kind of world :( Trying to sell merchandises is not wrong and that's how this industry makes most of its money. Hell I'm fan of Transformers, Yu-Gi-Oh and Precure series and they're nothing more than big commercials. But when they changed the audience and plot it affected some characters like Mamoru and Chibiusa. Both turned more in to a joke compared to their manga versions. That's where my problem comes with 90's version. I'm not that worried if a movie/series etc. is strictly faithful to the source material but if it's good adaptation. Making differences in the story isn't necessary bad and could be good for fans wanting something new. But often they change things for no reason, leave out important parts or bullshit some kind of plot. This can been seen when talking about movies that source material is a book. Rather than Crystal being better because it follows the original plot strictly it's just different way approach the series like 90's anime that did changes, whether they were good or not. When compared as adaptations both did their job, Crystal bringing the original story to animation and 90's series changing it for younger audience suitable and managing to make it still be Sailor moon and not original story with same characters. Zapredon said: I've been here since year 2008 and part of anime community far longer than that. Amount of old anime fans claim saying old anime is superior > amount of new anime fan claim new anime is superior .That's what I'm saying. There are old fag who accuse there are more modern day fans hating old anime,I disagree so I just pointed out that is not the case. Backlash. Aside from the link I provided, there's also people in youtube who like to claim old anime is better not just TAS. Why Does Modern Anime Suck? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3hjtUYPtns Why 90s Anime Is BETTER Than 2000s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTGM7edVQHA On the other hand, modern day anime fans rarely try to prove how superior modern day anime is. But why you feel the need to bring this up in every old vs. new thread? Does it give something new to discuss (but you refuse anyone else's disagreeing comments so it's one sided conversation)? Are you trying to change people's attitude (guess not because in another post you say you don't care if op is hater or not)? You just don't have anything else to do (I think this is the reason)? You link all these links you have bookmarked but what for? Even if you prove a point, that there are some fuckers who think they're the master race because they masturbate to oldies like Cream lemon, what does it matter? Every party has that one asshole nobody likes but try to get along cuz they don't wanna start shit. Everybody knows that. What are you trying to achieve with this? |
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urpoutta said: Jonouchi-Katsuya said: Sailor Moon Musicals are the best to be honest. <3 I love the musicals. But I do think that the breathing room in the anime really does make the original anime better than the manga. It really does give you time to love the girls more. One of the few times when filler was actually better. Yugioh actually didn't benefit at all from filler. XD All of which was there just to make Kaiba seem coolio and for there to be Yugioh Atlantis and also because Stargate also did it. Honestly even if you are out to sell a thing (yokai watch) you can still be good. Least to me. All anime is out to sell a thing. Honestly I could give a flying fuck about being faithful to a manga. I prefer 2003 Full Metal Alchemist to Brotherhood. But you know, that is because anime is an entirely different medium from manga. I have a friend who likes fillers, reason being they often are lighter than the main plot. Each to their own and such. But if we didn't have fillers in YGO we wouldn't have Honda as monkey and these quality animations and I wouldn't wanna live in that kind of world :( Trying to sell merchandises is not wrong and that's how this industry makes most of its money. Hell I'm fan of Transformers, Yu-Gi-Oh and Precure series and they're nothing more than big commercials. But when they changed the audience it affected some characters like Mamoru and Chibiusa. Both turned more in to a joke compared to their manga versions. That's where my problem comes with 90's version. I'm not that worried if a movie/series etc. is strictly faithful to the source material but if it's good adaptation. Making differences in the story isn't necessary bad and could be good for fans wanting something new. But often they change things for no reason, leave out important parts or bullshit some kind of plot. This can been seen when talking about movies that source material is a book. Rather than Crystal being better because it follows the original plot strictly it's just different way approach the series like 90's anime that did changes, whether they were good or not. When compared as adaptations both did their job, Crystal bringing the original story to animation and 90's series changing it for younger audience suitable and managing to make it still be Sailor moon and not original story with same characters. Zapredon said: I've been here since year 2008 and part of anime community far longer than that. Amount of old anime fans claim saying old anime is superior > amount of new anime fan claim new anime is superior .That's what I'm saying. There are old fag who accuse there are more modern day fans hating old anime,I disagree so I just pointed out that is not the case. Backlash. Aside from the link I provided, there's also people in youtube who like to claim old anime is better not just TAS. Why Does Modern Anime Suck? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3hjtUYPtns Why 90s Anime Is BETTER Than 2000s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTGM7edVQHA On the other hand, modern day anime fans rarely try to prove how superior modern day anime is. But why you feel the need to bring this up in every old vs. new thread? Does it give something new to discuss (but you refuse anyone else's disagreeing comments so it's one sided conversation)? Are you trying to change people's attitude (guess not because in another post you say you don't care if op is hater or not)? You just don't have anything else to do (I think this is the reason)? You link all these links you have bookmarked but what for? Even if you prove a point, that there are some fuckers who think they're the master race because they masturbate to oldies like Cream lemon, what does it matter? Every party has that one asshole nobody likes but try to get along cuz they don't wanna start shit. Everybody knows that. What are you trying to achieve with this? Just pointed out there are more old anime fans saying old anime is superior rather than the other way around. That's all. LOL! I don't expect old anime fans to agree with me but it spread more awareness to the general public. |
ZapredonJun 23, 2017 1:01 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Zapredon said: urpoutta said: I have a friend who likes fillers, reason being they often are lighter than the main plot. Each to their own and such. But if we didn't have fillers in YGO we wouldn't have Honda as monkey and these quality animations and I wouldn't wanna live in that kind of world :( Trying to sell merchandises is not wrong and that's how this industry makes most of its money. Hell I'm fan of Transformers, Yu-Gi-Oh and Precure series and they're nothing more than big commercials. But when they changed the audience it affected some characters like Mamoru and Chibiusa. Both turned more in to a joke compared to their manga versions. That's where my problem comes with 90's version. I'm not that worried if a movie/series etc. is strictly faithful to the source material but if it's good adaptation. Making differences in the story isn't necessary bad and could be good for fans wanting something new. But often they change things for no reason, leave out important parts or bullshit some kind of plot. This can been seen when talking about movies that source material is a book. Rather than Crystal being better because it follows the original plot strictly it's just different way approach the series like 90's anime that did changes, whether they were good or not. When compared as adaptations both did their job, Crystal bringing the original story to animation and 90's series changing it for younger audience suitable and managing to make it still be Sailor moon and not original story with same characters. But why you feel the need to bring this up in every old vs. new thread? Does it give something new to discuss (but you refuse anyone else's disagreeing comments so it's one sided conversation)? Are you trying to change people's attitude (guess not because in another post you say you don't care if op is hater or not)? You just don't have anything else to do (I think this is the reason)? You link all these links you have bookmarked but what for? Even if you prove a point, that there are some fuckers who think they're the master race because they masturbate to oldies like Cream lemon, what does it matter? Every party has that one asshole nobody likes but try to get along cuz they don't wanna start shit. Everybody knows that. What are you trying to achieve with this? Just pointed out there are more old anime fans saying old anime is superior rather than the other way around. That's all. LOL! I don't expect old anime fans to agree with me but it spread more awareness to the general public. Everyone can't shut up about seasonals. I haven't met old anime fans in a longtime. |
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Zapredon said: Just pointed out there are more old anime fans saying old anime is superior rather than the other way around. That's all. LOL! I don't expect old anime fans to agree with me but it spread more awareness to the general public. I think you were able to do that already when you commented in other threads before this clear af bait thread. Maybe take a break from the AD, go out and enjoy summer? Flowers are blooming, everything is green and there isn't even that many bugs flying around. Good times man. Edit// Remember sun lotion |
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| I unironically prefer the coloring and lighting of older series to more modern ones. (Older being Early 2000's and older). With that said though, I usually prefer more modern designs over older designs. The Sailor Moon pics are really deceptive, those transformations sequences sure look better from just a pic, but the 1992-1996 version actually looked fluid and more realistic (Though was just a bit janky) when it came to animation, while the more modern one looked excessively rubbery and bendy. Not to mention that beyond the transformation sequences, Sailor Moon Crystal was often very dull and lifeless, while the original series wasn't afraid to showcase crowds, or even non-important characters from time to time, in order to bring life to the series and it's world. |
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SongstressSL said: I generally don't watch older titles (pre-2000) unless they have a phenomenal reputation. Why? The animation style/technique is too visually displeasing, so unless the plot is really, really, really spectacular, I generally don't put myself through the pain. Also, I generally rather the 3-D rendering in anime if they're drawing non-humans/non-animals. Just looks less messy. Yeah same here. Not to mention most of the top rated anime in MAL are modern day anime. If it has good plot and rated highly like Mononoke Hime it will encourage more people to watch it despite not used to old style animation. Rating kinda serve as recommendation. The general consensus seems to feel modern anime is better than old anime in term of quality. -EDIT- I wonder how the poll will look like if the 'Sometimes' option is removed. Modern anime is winning. |
ZapredonJun 23, 2017 9:29 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Zapredon said: Yeah same here. Not to mention most of the top rated anime in MAL are modern day anime. The general consensus seems to feel modern anime is better than old anime in term of quality. Does HD, shiny colors and the use of modern computerized techniques to animate and paint, make an anime better? Is that the only thing that will determine its quality? Besides, that the majority of the titles in top rated anime here are modern doesn't necessarily have to do uniquely to visual styles. There are many other factors contributing to that result. |
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neonshock said: Zapredon said: Yeah same here. Not to mention most of the top rated anime in MAL are modern day anime. The general consensus seems to feel modern anime is better than old anime in term of quality. Does HD, shiny colors and the use of modern computerized techniques to animate and paint, make an anime better? Is that the only thing that will determine its quality? Besides, that the majority of the titles in top rated anime here are modern doesn't necessarily have to do uniquely to visual styles. There are many other factors contributing to that result. True,it's definitely not just about visual/animation. It also possible the general consensus feel modern anime have better story and characters as well. lady_freyja said: Zapredon said: Yeah same here. Not to mention most of the top rated anime in MAL are modern day anime. If it has good plot and rated highly like Mononoke Hime it will encourage more people to watch it despite not used to old style animation. Rating kinda serve as recommendation. The general consensus seems to feel modern anime is better than old anime in term of quality. MAL's ranking, like on any other website which feature this kind of ranking, is subject to the "hit parade effect", meaning creating a meaningless "top" that is self-maintained by the social pressure. (like you said, it serves as "recommendation" for most people) It is meaningless for evaluating the quality of something, all it shows is that the human is a social species subjects to the herd instinct. Nothing more, and certainly not showing a "general consensus on quality". And the reason that most anime in this top are "modern anime" is because most people on MAL watch only "modern anime", in a seasonal way. Which means that in general only the anime that were published after the creation of MAL as a website are massively rated by people, and thus are integrated into the top ranking because of the "weighted system". The few exceptions like Mononoke Hime or Cowboy Bebop managed to get here essentially because of an heavy lobbying of their fans. And a side-note: the effect is even worse on the manga side, since there is no "seasonal" concept among the manga readers. EDIT: and I don't say that the anime (or manga) in the top are bad or whatever. I just say that the tops mean nothing and their value as an argument about the "qualities" of the anime is near-zero, considering how much social biases there is in those tops. The rating are base on average overall. Increase number of viewership does not improve the ranking. FMA Brotherhood has more members(924k) than Kimi no Nawa(399k) but Kimi no Nawa still ranked higher because of ratings. https://myanimelist.net/topanime.php When people decided to watch anime, they don't want to just watch anime but they want to watch the best anime out there so they will always check the top ranked anime list and pick from there to watch. However, it's true that visual will discourage people from watching old anime so I said it's a combination of both visual and low rating that cause people from watching old anime. |
ZapredonJun 24, 2017 1:04 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Overall brotherhood looks way better than the original series. Only thing I dislike about it, is the lineart of Ed's hair. |
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Mrsh said: Tsukihiko said: New because today we have great things like berserk 2017 Now being serious, Kyoto Animation default character design bother me a little, i know that everything they make look gorgeous but i can't help being bothered by how the characters look. I'm glad that they tried different stuff with that dragon maid anime, even if i didn't watch it. P.A Works's sameface is bothering me more than Kyoani. Just look at Shirobako and Sakura Quest's main heroine, they look so similiar! This one too, but i've watched way more Kyoani than P.A, so that's why it's the first thing i thought. I have to praise P.A for Uchouten Kazoku though, everything is so good to look on the show, especially the backgrounds. |
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lady_freyja said: Zapredon said: The rating are base on average overall. Increase number of viewership does not improve the ranking. FMA Brotherhood has more members(924k) than Kimi no Nawa(399k) but Kimi no Nawa still ranked higher because of ratings. https://myanimelist.net/topanime.php You should check the little link "How do we rank shows?" just at the top of the table, it'll give you the formula: Formula Weighted Rank (WR) = (v / (v + m)) * S + (m / (v + m)) * C S = Average score for the Anime (mean). v = Number of votes for the Anime = (Number of people scoring the Anime). m = Minimum votes/scores required to get a calculated score (currently 50 scores required). C = The mean score across the entire Anime DB. "Number of votes for the Anime" appears 3 times in the formula. So yes, the number of votes has an influence on the ranking. That's the point of the "weighted" system, it is not a simple "average". But be it an average or a weighted ranking, it's besides the point. Since the point is exactly what you say here: Then how come there are anime despite having fewer members scoring them manage to outrank those with more members scoring them. Kimi no Nawa has less members but outrank FMA: Brotherhood Gintama° outranked Steins Gate. LoGH has less members scoring them but manage to out rank Clannad AS who has more members scoring them. That's what I said about the "social pressure". Which automatically render those tops irrelevant for judging the qualities of a show. I mean, it's a basic knowledge in social-psychology. That's notably why some people campaign for the suppression of the polls before the elections, for example, because those tops (or polls in the case of the elections) influence the choices of the people, it is called the "social proof". People will search for the "best". Thus they'll mostly watch the top rated ones. And they'll mostly rate those anime pretty high because we don't rate as an independent individual, but as an individual under the pressure of the mass. Which only maintains its position inside the top. While shows that aren't integrated into those "tops" (because there is also tops by genre when you goes on others websites, or even on MAL if you wish) aren't watched and thus aren't evaluated and thus aren't integrated into those tops. It's a prime example of a vicious circle. That doesn't make any sense because if the mass already consider the anime good,that would mean the general consensus already see it as better anime. Those who under pressure(assume they do exist which I believe don't) would represent small minority. |
ZapredonJun 24, 2017 1:50 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
lady_freyja said: Zapredon said: Then how come number some anime despite having fewer members scoring them manage to outrank those with more members scoring them. Because past a certain point of view-numbers, the number becomes a nearly-irrelevant variable inside the formula. Which means that when the number view is low, it has a sensible influence in the result, but when the number view is high, its influence becomes marginal. So you are saying when the number is low, it still has influence on the result but when the number is high, it become lesser influence? Can you tell me at what point of the number of view does it become irrelevant? I waited this argument. Oh wait: Seriously, I didn't waited this sentence. Negating scientific results because of some beliefs. Nice~ Why am I losing my time with you? But if you want to knows how tops are created in the first place, then read this paper (it's only the 2.5 first pages). It's an experiment that was renewed numerous times, with the same results each time. Also note this passage in the abstract: Success was also only partly determined by quality: The best songs rarely did poorly, and the worst rarely did well, but any other result was possible. Which means that the items in a top are rarely bad. But does that means that they are the best? Hell no. In the social influence condition, participants could also see how many times each song had been downloaded by previous participants. But this study is influence base on downloaded view, not rating. They decided to download music base on viewership. My argument is that rating influence people choice. Which means that the items in a top are rarely bad. But does that means that they are the best? Hell no. The best items in top are rarely bad while the bad item rarely did well. So? What else is wrong with what I said. Top rated anime gain more viewership while low rated gained less viewership. That's what I'm saying. Rotten Tomatoes were blamed when Baywatch and Pirates of Carribean did not do well. Rating influences viewership. https://qz.com/995202/movie-studios-are-blaming-rotten-tomatoes-for-killing-baywatch-and-pirates-of-the-caribbean-which-no-one-wanted-to-see/ Of course, there are exception such as Batman vs Superman, which is already a well established franchise. It's the same for video games where review impact sales although the game need review 90+. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Publisher-Admits-Game-Review-Scores-Heavily-Influenced-By-Trips-Parties-Swag-48395.html Mind you: since the start, all I'm saying is that your argument about the top on MAL is totally irrelevant. I just criticized the argument, not your result. If you want to defends an opinion, it's better to use valid arguments, that's all. Do keep in mind I did said this. Zapredon said: However, it's true that visual will discourage people from watching old anime so I said it's a combination of both visual and low rating that cause people from watching old anime. I never said rating is the only one. |
ZapredonJun 24, 2017 4:27 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Sailor Moon Crystal and DBS have extremely tight budgets and HxH and FMA simply use a different artstyle than the old version. That doesn't prove that new animation looks necessarily better than old animations. If you compare the old Greed Arc OVA to the 2011 version, the old one looks actually much worse. If you want a good example of on anime looking worse due new animation, compare the original Legend of the Galactic Heroes to the 2004 "remastered" version: And this one: http://imgur.com/RnV0gct |
| Yes, totally agree. Two anime that USA dropped in Japan in Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945 have the best animation and art style I've ever seen. Better than all of anime nowadays. |
| Yup. I never understood why people thought FMAB was remotely good, when we already have the original FMA. |
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| new sailor moon new greed looks better just new DB and hunter look bad. so no it varies for show and once again BUDGET!! MortalMelancholy said: Yup. I never understood why people thought FMAB was remotely good, when we already have the original FMA. agreed the manga was so much better then that shitty filler show we got back then :P |
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hazerddex said: MortalMelancholy said: Yup. I never understood why people thought FMAB was remotely good, when we already have the original FMA. agreed the manga was so much better then that shitty filler show we got back then :P Did you read the manga? Because brotherhood had shitty filler added to it too. There is no freezer alchemist in the manga ;) And the mangaka herself asked for a different ending. |
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mehmehperson said: hazerddex said: agreed the manga was so much better then that shitty filler show we got back then :P Did you read the manga? Because brotherhood had shitty filler added to it too. There is no freezer alchemist in the manga ;) And the mangaka herself asked for a different ending. 1 episode of filler vs an entire season ill take the one with only 1 episode thank you very much the manga version > shitty filler anime that takes characters and makes a fanfic out of them. and don't get me started on that movie so much cringe |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazerddex said: mehmehperson said: Did you read the manga? Because brotherhood had shitty filler added to it too. There is no freezer alchemist in the manga ;) And the mangaka herself asked for a different ending. 1 episode of filler vs an entire season ill take the one with only 1 episode thank you very much the manga version > shitty filler anime that takes characters and makes a fanfic out of them. and don't get me started on that movie so much cringe I was talking about brotherhood not the manga. And if 2003 had the mangaka's approval than you're argument is invalid. Because this happened in the manga right? And don't get me started on brotherhood's movie Milos ;) |
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mehmehperson said: hazerddex said: 1 episode of filler vs an entire season ill take the one with only 1 episode thank you very much the manga version > shitty filler anime that takes characters and makes a fanfic out of them. and don't get me started on that movie so much cringe I was talking about brotherhood not the manga. And if 2003 had the mangaka's approval than you're argument is invalid. And don't get me started on brotherhood's movie Milos ;) Ok first off its not like she had a choice but not to end up with a shitty filler show. Seeing as she was not finished in 2003 ever hear of anime that advertise the superior version? So you saying a shitty fan fic is better written then the person who wrote the series just because they change minor things does not change the fact that FMAB is the manga story while FMA will be a shitty fan fic that just has the same characters in it unless your saying the mangeka is a bad writer then I'm going to have to disagree with you there. And if the writer though the original anime was so go she would not have let them make a anime that's basically the manga animated. That's a nice pair of rose tinted glasses Just because Somthing a older does not make it automatically better Remember the terrible lord of the rings animated films? Are you saying because its older its better then the live action movies we got later on? Also helping ultimate looks better then the old helping show even though I'm not a fan of hellsing in general ill give it credit for looking really nice in ultimate |
GrimAtramentJun 29, 2017 9:00 AM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazerddex said: mehmehperson said: I was talking about brotherhood not the manga. And if 2003 had the mangaka's approval than you're argument is invalid. And don't get me started on brotherhood's movie Milos ;) Ok first off its not like she had a choice but not to end up with a shitty filler show. Seeing as she was not finished in 2003 ever hear of anime that advertise the superior version? So you saying a shitty fan fic is better written then the person who wrote the series just because they change minor things does not change the fact that FMAB is the manga story while FMA will be a shitty fan fic that just has the same characters in it unless your saying the mangeka is a bad writer then I'm going to have to disagree with you there. And if the writer though the original anime was so go she would not have let them make a anime that's basically the manga animated. That's a nice pair of rose tinted glasses Just because Somthing a older does not make it automatically better Remember the terrible lord of the rings animated films? Are you saying because its older its better then the live action movies we got later on? Also helping ultimate looks better then the old helping show even though I'm not a fan of hellsing in general ill give it credit for looking really nice in ultimate Not really hating on brotherhood or anything I'm just saying brotherhood has filler too (the manga is not even called "Brotherhood") Noragami last 2 episodes were filler yet you gave it a 9/10 . And the 2 mangaka's then adapted the filler character into bonus side story chapters of the manga so jokes on you. XD |
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Hooooooly shit so that's why everyone complained about it? It's fucking awful. @Zapredon Yeah, sure. |
DeathkoJun 29, 2017 10:18 AM
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Clebardman said: Hooooooly shit so that's why everyone complained about it? It's fucking awful. @Zapredon Yeah, sure. Naah..I really don't have problem with CGI. Even Ajin CGI is fine with me. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Disclaimer: You didn't clarify how old or new of an anime you wanted to discuss so I'm just picking the years I have the most to say about, which would be 1984-2017 as new and 1983 and down as old. Basically the evolution of computer animation. Also, before anyone points this out. I do consider anything that's animated, anime. So don't get too angry when you see me using Pixar as an example. In my opinion the new wins by far. It has more choices with colors, so the colors that they pick seem to be shinier and brighter instead of the old dried out colors.For example, the colors in Sailor Moon: Crystal helps the graceful look it wanted. As Crystal's colors are shaded in certain spots more to make stuff like eyes or hair pop out and have the shiny bright colors to make the spots pop out even more. Also as I mentioned before the artists are just more free to pick the colors as their computers can make any colors they want. Crystal:  The new also has another advantage since it can do more details in less time because of how computers developed. Like they could fix and do every detail of hair if they wanted to(i.e Frozen, Rosario + Vampire).Also, coloring now takes only a second so shading is more readily available and takes up less time. As for animation new wins again because of the magic of computers and how they can accurately betray stuff like water and snow which before used to be nearly impossible to animate just as well as they do now(and even then new cartoons still struggle with it, but it's a lot more possible). The movements also are more realistic to be faster in newer anime such as Big Hero Six and Shrek have time to put detail in the way the characters walk and make it so that each character can move and walk differently. So...yeah, I'm pretty sure new wins this one, at least for me. |
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xenovibe said: Zapredon said: Say what you want about "old anime" but at least the majority of them never used 15 year old looking CGI for their backgrounds, mechas and action sequences.See. Another thread to prove old anime is better than new anime. Modern day anime get criticized more often than old anime while old anime rarely got criticized but glorified. I was proven right again and again. Old anime fans always go all their way out to prove old anime is superior, so it's no wonder old anime always being called nostalgiafag and sometimes elitism. It just natural. Depending on how old the anime is, it could have cost more to use cgi than cell animation. That or the technology wasn't available. |
| I partly disagree to this.Yes,the examples you have mentioned in the op are really obvious that old animes have a better art,but check out other new series,like:Nisekoi,Re:zero,they have better quality of art than old animes in my opinion. |
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scruffs said: How ironic that it's the complete opposite now...what a shame.xenovibe said: Say what you want about "old anime" but at least the majority of them never used 15 year old looking CGI for their backgrounds, mechas and action sequences. Depending on how old the anime is, it could have cost more to use cgi than cell animation. That or the technology wasn't available. |
| Sometimes so and sometimes not but the more anime I watch the more I prefer older art styles and cel animation. Older animation just has a certain feel to it that is so must more rich and detailed than stuff I see today. |
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