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May 31, 2017 10:26 AM
#1
I have never seen a single hapa with natural blonde hair or blue eyes. Sure, it can probably happen, but the odds must be negligibly low.![]() ![]() Is this just a device for marking the characters as of foreign stock? Should they make hapas more realistic? |
May 31, 2017 10:28 AM
#2
They probably have some fetish for blonde hair and blue eyes. Anyway green eyes > blue eyes. |
May 31, 2017 10:33 AM
#3
I guess they portray them as blonde with blue/green eyes to make them look more... "exotic", for the lack of a better term. That, and to show their Westerner heritance. |
May 31, 2017 10:33 AM
#4
I've heard of hippos, hipsters, fence-hoppers... What the hell are hapas? |
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May 31, 2017 10:33 AM
#5
No, you should go read a biology textbook and learn about genes. I have seen Hapa's in real life with blue/green eyes, white skin, etc. I have also met a girl that was half african and half white european (black mother and white father) and she has white skin. Sometimes its best not to make assumptions about someone's ancestry until meeting their parents. |
May 31, 2017 10:47 AM
#6
15poundfish said: No, you should go read a biology textbook and learn about genes. I have seen Hapa's in real life with blue/green eyes, white skin, etc. I have also met a girl that was half african and half white european (black mother and white father) and she has white skin. Sometimes its best not to make assumptions about someone's ancestry until meeting their parents. And you should go work on your reading comprehension. The odds of an Asian parent contributing a recessive gene for blue eyes is far lower than a dominant one for brown. The odds of an Asian having that recessive gene is entirely based on their family history. I explicitly said that it's rare, not that it couldn't happen. |
May 31, 2017 10:53 AM
#7
Idk, I think it's more to "justify" them having blonde hair/blue eyes than it is to show that they're hapa. Since normally people born in Japan don't have those traits, it's easier to say it's because they're half-American or half-British, or half-French sometimes. |
May 31, 2017 10:54 AM
#8
I mean, I'm sure it's possible since they are half white, but the important thing is that they're foreign to the audience. In Western media if you see a character who's half white and half Japanese they're going to look Japanese because that's how we imagine them while in Japan they're going to look white. Everything has the idea that 50% means they show more traits of the foreign race. |
May 31, 2017 10:59 AM
#9
MortalMelancholy said: A Subreddit devoted to providing a safe space for Eurasians to discuss the unique challenges of being children of White Fathers and Asian Mothers.I've heard of hippos, hipsters, fence-hoppers... What the hell are hapas? gahahahahha |
May 31, 2017 11:06 AM
#10
MortalMelancholy said: I've heard of hippos, hipsters, fence-hoppers... What the hell are hapas? It's a Hawaiian term that technically means a mix of Asian/Pacific Islander and X ethnicity. It gained traction on the web via /r/hapas and generally implies mixed Asian/White now. |
May 31, 2017 11:27 AM
#11
I'm sure the thread title is a hyperbole, but in case it's not. Hapas aren't always portrayed as blue eyes with blonde hair in anime Examples: Kallen Koizuki (Code Geass) White (assuming Britannia is white) father + Asian mother Jotaro Kujo (JJBA) Asian father + White mother (black hair) Josuke Higashikata (JJBA): White father + Asian mother Kodaka Hasegawa (Haganai): Asian father + White mother (grey eyes) |
MechKingKillbotMay 31, 2017 11:38 AM
May 31, 2017 11:32 AM
#12
Oh, half-breeds lel. It's cause Japan is suuper xenophobic, so the closest thing that they can get to a Western-looking MC that can still appeal to the audience is a half-Jap that looks like one. |
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May 31, 2017 11:37 AM
#13
i dont know all i know that Shitoge is a disgusting bitch |
May 31, 2017 11:44 AM
#14
Because they want to distinguish them from the rest and most fans find blondes attractive no matter how shitty personalities they have? Maybe they just use blonde to symbolize that the character has half or full western blood. |
May 31, 2017 11:46 AM
#15
MechKingKillbot said: I'm sure the thread title is a hyperbole, but in case it's not. Hapas aren't always portrayed as blue eyes with blonde hair in anime Examples: Kallen Koizuki (Code Geass) White (assuming Britannia is white) father + Asian mother Jotaro Kujo (JJBA) Asian father + White mother Josuke Higashikata (JJBA): White father + Asian mother Correct. It was a somewhat hyperbolic way of asking why hapas in anime tend to have features that are typical of Northern Europeans. Kallen with red hair and blue eyes certainly fits that mold. |
May 31, 2017 11:56 AM
#16
Onodera and Tsugumi were best grills. But unfortunately, Raku married Chitoge |
May 31, 2017 12:07 PM
#17
General anime stereotype.. They're aren't many foreigners in Japan so "If she has blonde hair and blue eyes, so she must be a half Igrisu..." -.- Anyways, what's up with all these blue eyed characters while emerald green eyes are superior in literally every way?? |
May 31, 2017 12:12 PM
#18
Z-Dante said: Anyways, what's up with all these blue eyed characters while emerald green eyes are superior in literally every way?? Um, poop brown eyes are clearly the most superior since they are the imperialists of eye colors. |
May 31, 2017 12:16 PM
#19
Omkar_Nagwade said: Onodera and Tsugumi were best grills. But unfortunately, Raku married Chitoge I know , this is why I rated this serie 1/10 Forced relationships and the cliched romance about hate turn to love make me want to puke |
tragedydesuMay 31, 2017 12:36 PM
May 31, 2017 12:27 PM
#20
@zombie_pegasus basically said it all MortalMelancholy said: Oh, half-breeds lel. It's cause Japan is suuper xenophobic, so the closest thing that they can get to a Western-looking MC that can still appeal to the audience is a half-Jap that looks like one. Getting real tired of this. Only people who say this are people who have never interacted with normal Japanese people. Anti foreigner bias exist in the system, but not in the people. Western concept of continuously struggling for political correctness is foreign to Japan, and it is a society which would rather live with the problem instead of demanding change, and is slow in fixing the problem. But that dont mean people look down on you or anything. To fix skewed views like this, people should try watching videos that interact with actual Japanese people. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x0Kv5pKuTk&t=15s |
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May 31, 2017 12:35 PM
#21
DecimXX said: @zombie_pegasus basically said it all MortalMelancholy said: Oh, half-breeds lel. It's cause Japan is suuper xenophobic, so the closest thing that they can get to a Western-looking MC that can still appeal to the audience is a half-Jap that looks like one. Getting real tired of this. Only people who say this are people who have never interacted with normal Japanese people. Anti foreigner bias exist in the system, but not in the people. Western concept of continuously struggling for political correctness is foreign to Japan, and it is a society which would rather live with the problem instead of demanding change, and is slow in fixing the problem. But that dont mean people look down on you or anything. To fix skewed views like this, people should try watching videos that interact with actual Japanese people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x0Kv5pKuTk&t=15s The the bias is rather, prejudice, and the "system" is their society. Certainly they are unlikely to act rudely to someone for being foreign, but they do discriminate. |
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May 31, 2017 12:44 PM
#22
MortalMelancholy said: DecimXX said: @zombie_pegasus basically said it all MortalMelancholy said: Oh, half-breeds lel. It's cause Japan is suuper xenophobic, so the closest thing that they can get to a Western-looking MC that can still appeal to the audience is a half-Jap that looks like one. Getting real tired of this. Only people who say this are people who have never interacted with normal Japanese people. Anti foreigner bias exist in the system, but not in the people. Western concept of continuously struggling for political correctness is foreign to Japan, and it is a society which would rather live with the problem instead of demanding change, and is slow in fixing the problem. But that dont mean people look down on you or anything. To fix skewed views like this, people should try watching videos that interact with actual Japanese people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x0Kv5pKuTk&t=15s The the bias is rather, prejudice, and the "system" is their society. Certainly they are unlikely to act rudely to someone for being foreign, but they do discriminate. Again, have you interacted with them at all? Media fail at providing accurate portrayal of any single single country, and that is same for Japan (Im not a Trump supporter, but agree with him on criticizing for the pathetic job they do) Also since the definition of prejudice is 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience', it may apply to you in this regard |
May 31, 2017 12:52 PM
#23
DecimXX said: MortalMelancholy said: DecimXX said: @zombie_pegasus basically said it all MortalMelancholy said: Oh, half-breeds lel. It's cause Japan is suuper xenophobic, so the closest thing that they can get to a Western-looking MC that can still appeal to the audience is a half-Jap that looks like one. Getting real tired of this. Only people who say this are people who have never interacted with normal Japanese people. Anti foreigner bias exist in the system, but not in the people. Western concept of continuously struggling for political correctness is foreign to Japan, and it is a society which would rather live with the problem instead of demanding change, and is slow in fixing the problem. But that dont mean people look down on you or anything. To fix skewed views like this, people should try watching videos that interact with actual Japanese people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x0Kv5pKuTk&t=15s The the bias is rather, prejudice, and the "system" is their society. Certainly they are unlikely to act rudely to someone for being foreign, but they do discriminate. Again, have you interacted with them at all? Media fail at providing accurate portrayal of any single single country, and that is same for Japan (Im not a Trump supporter, but agree with him on criticizing for the pathetic job they do) Also since the definition of prejudice is 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience', it may apply to you in this regard Weell, there is (an extremely low) possibility that my information is outdated (Conservative societies like Japan are slow to change), but from the Japanese people I know, and the people who've lived in Japan whom I know, Japanese generally consider foreign people to be troublemakers, particularly dislike foreign soldiers, and absolutely hate the idea of foreign people dating Japanese women. I'd say, based on reason and actual experience, that they're probably more misogynist than they are racist, but they're undeniably both. |
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May 31, 2017 1:16 PM
#24
MortalMelancholy said: DecimXX said: MortalMelancholy said: DecimXX said: @zombie_pegasus basically said it all MortalMelancholy said: Oh, half-breeds lel. It's cause Japan is suuper xenophobic, so the closest thing that they can get to a Western-looking MC that can still appeal to the audience is a half-Jap that looks like one. Getting real tired of this. Only people who say this are people who have never interacted with normal Japanese people. Anti foreigner bias exist in the system, but not in the people. Western concept of continuously struggling for political correctness is foreign to Japan, and it is a society which would rather live with the problem instead of demanding change, and is slow in fixing the problem. But that dont mean people look down on you or anything. To fix skewed views like this, people should try watching videos that interact with actual Japanese people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x0Kv5pKuTk&t=15s The the bias is rather, prejudice, and the "system" is their society. Certainly they are unlikely to act rudely to someone for being foreign, but they do discriminate. Again, have you interacted with them at all? Media fail at providing accurate portrayal of any single single country, and that is same for Japan (Im not a Trump supporter, but agree with him on criticizing for the pathetic job they do) Also since the definition of prejudice is 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience', it may apply to you in this regard Weell, there is (an extremely low) possibility that my information is outdated (Conservative societies like Japan are slow to change), but from the Japanese people I know, and the people who've lived in Japan whom I know, Japanese generally consider foreign people to be troublemakers, particularly dislike foreign soldiers, and absolutely hate the idea of foreign people dating Japanese women. I'd say, based on reason and actual experience, that they're probably more misogynist than they are racist, but they're undeniably both. -They will only consider you a trouble maker if you are one. Otherwise, you are mostly fine -By foreign soldiers, I think you mean the US ones. Japan is not the only ones who have problem with them, and there obviously would be if they go around raping local population where they are stationed -The one about dating Japanese women are completely out of touch. Again, you need to actually try living in a society before you can claim to know you understand even a bit -As for misogynist, Japanese women are on average less shy and bolder than male counter parts. Again, you need to try interacting with actual Japanese people in Japan. Problem exist in system like in offices, and due to there society being one that prefer to live with a problem rather than work for change, change is slow in it. But the definition of misogynist 'a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women' certainly dont exist It is best not to assume to know about a society without having lived there, especially because of how inaccurate portrayal of other countries by media is |
May 31, 2017 2:14 PM
#25
Nvortex said: What is the percentage then? You act like a non brown eyed asian is as rare as an albino in your post. If you want a reason why they usually have blonde haired blue eyed characters as hapa's its because most of the time its impossible to know what the race of an anime character without being told it or shown it visually with hair color and eye color. Anime and Cartoons rarely strives for realistic representation of human ethnic groups and cannot do it especially when distinguishing races is impossible without getting the facial characteristics correct.And you should go work on your reading comprehension. The odds of an Asian parent contributing a recessive gene for blue eyes is far lower than a dominant one for brown. The odds of an Asian having that recessive gene is entirely based on their family history. I explicitly said that it's rare, not that it couldn't happen. Pop Quiz: What race is Twintelle? Is She black or is she a dark skinned japanese gyaru? |
May 31, 2017 3:12 PM
#26
they like european features, especially the blonde hair/blue eyes aesthetic. it also symbolizes coolness for them i think |
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May 31, 2017 3:23 PM
#27
15poundfish said: Nvortex said: What is the percentage then? You act like a non brown eyed asian is as rare as an albino in your post. If you want a reason why they usually have blonde haired blue eyed characters as hapa's its because most of the time its impossible to know what the race of an anime character without being told it or shown it visually with hair color and eye color. Anime and Cartoons rarely strives for realistic representation of human ethnic groups and cannot do it especially when distinguishing races is impossible without getting the facial characteristics correct.And you should go work on your reading comprehension. The odds of an Asian parent contributing a recessive gene for blue eyes is far lower than a dominant one for brown. The odds of an Asian having that recessive gene is entirely based on their family history. I explicitly said that it's rare, not that it couldn't happen. Pop Quiz: What race is Twintelle? Is She black or is she a dark skinned japanese gyaru? It's not quite at albino level of rarity, but it is still rare. The further you get away from Scandinavia, the greater the melanin levels get. Most black or Asian people who carry the genes for light eyes likely do so because of colonialism or steppe migration. It's contextual. There is a much higher chance that a half white, half central Asian will have blue eyes than a half white, half Japanese, because central Asia has had a history of migration and mixing from Europe. Japan and most of East Asia have not. Most hapas in Japan, East Asia, and the West are the products of East Asian and White, and by proxy, are highly likely not to have light eyes. In almost every case, we are told the race of a non-Japanese character, so having to compound visual confirmation on top of that seems redundant. You're right about anime rarely striving for realistic representation and I expected that point to be made. That said, I'm sure there are cultural components or beliefs behind the design of these characters as well, some of which having been theorized by the above posters. Anyways, relating to what I was saying about context, I would guess Twintelle as a gyaru both because of her look as well as the fact that it's a Japanese video game. |
NvortexMay 31, 2017 3:34 PM
May 31, 2017 4:36 PM
#28
Nvortex said: It's not quite at albino level of rarity, but it is still rare. The further you get away from Scandinavia, the greater the melanin levels get. Most black or Asian people who carry the genes for light eyes likely do so because of colonialism or steppe migration. It's contextual. There is a much higher chance that a half white, half central Asian will have blue eyes than a half white, half Japanese, because central Asia has had a history of migration and mixing from Europe. Japan and most of East Asia have not. Most hapas in Japan, East Asia, and the West are the products of East Asian and White, and by proxy, are highly likely not to have light eyes. I don't think creators sit down and look at the commonality of phenotypes of mixed race when creating characters. I think having distinguishable characters is something every anime should strive to have. The common anime art style can make it impossible to identify characters because of same face syndrome which is why characters have weird hair color, odd hair styles, etc. Nvortex said: In almost every case, we are told the race of a non-Japanese character, so having to compound visual confirmation on top of that seems redundant. Really, because depending on the anime you are watching you would never know. In some anime for example, silver hair is symbolic of a European foreigner and other times it means a specific character trait or nothing in particular. Anime generally has no consistency in ethnic hair styles and hair color I would rather have the confirmation if it becomes relevant in the story. In When marnie was there, the fact that the main character is a hapa and another character points it out her abnormal eye color triggered her outburst of rage is one of those little xenophobic/racists things people talk about with japan. Their type of racism is in your face but is mostly polite but will probably make people still feel like shit after awhile because they live in a country their whole life and never feel like they belong there when hearing those type of comments often. Whether you think the anime is stupid for pointing it out with the eye color is bad thing or not I think its good thing if it plays big part of the narrative. in When marnie was there, that scene and including her first name are done to help the viewer to build the right associations for the story the anime was trying to tell. Without those visual cues and scenes I bet people would have a difficult time understanding the story. |
May 31, 2017 4:39 PM
#29
It's probably because the most creative people have blonde hair and blue eyes. I think there is a scientific reasoning because of this. |
May 31, 2017 4:40 PM
#30
15poundfish said: Nvortex said: What is the percentage then? You act like a non brown eyed asian is as rare as an albino in your post. If you want a reason why they usually have blonde haired blue eyed characters as hapa's its because most of the time its impossible to know what the race of an anime character without being told it or shown it visually with hair color and eye color. Anime and Cartoons rarely strives for realistic representation of human ethnic groups and cannot do it especially when distinguishing races is impossible without getting the facial characteristics correct.And you should go work on your reading comprehension. The odds of an Asian parent contributing a recessive gene for blue eyes is far lower than a dominant one for brown. The odds of an Asian having that recessive gene is entirely based on their family history. I explicitly said that it's rare, not that it couldn't happen. Pop Quiz: What race is Twintelle? Is She black or is she a dark skinned japanese gyaru? I'm going to go say that she's Native American. Just because of the hairstyle. |
May 31, 2017 5:23 PM
#31
15poundfish said: Nvortex said: It's not quite at albino level of rarity, but it is still rare. The further you get away from Scandinavia, the greater the melanin levels get. Most black or Asian people who carry the genes for light eyes likely do so because of colonialism or steppe migration. It's contextual. There is a much higher chance that a half white, half central Asian will have blue eyes than a half white, half Japanese, because central Asia has had a history of migration and mixing from Europe. Japan and most of East Asia have not. Most hapas in Japan, East Asia, and the West are the products of East Asian and White, and by proxy, are highly likely not to have light eyes. I don't think creators sit down and look at the commonality of phenotypes of mixed race when creating characters. I think having distinguishable characters is something every anime should strive to have. The common anime art style can make it impossible to identify characters because of same face syndrome which is why characters have weird hair color, odd hair styles, etc. Nvortex said: In almost every case, we are told the race of a non-Japanese character, so having to compound visual confirmation on top of that seems redundant. Really, because depending on the anime you are watching you would never know. In some anime for example, silver hair is symbolic of a European foreigner and other times it means a specific character trait or nothing in particular. Anime generally has no consistency in ethnic hair styles and hair color I would rather have the confirmation if it becomes relevant in the story. In When marnie was there, the fact that the main character is a hapa and another character points it out her abnormal eye color triggered her outburst of rage is one of those little xenophobic/racists things people talk about with japan. Their type of racism is in your face but is mostly polite but will probably make people still feel like shit after awhile because they live in a country their whole life and never feel like they belong there when hearing those type of comments often. Whether you think the anime is stupid for pointing it out with the eye color is bad thing or not I think its good thing if it plays big part of the narrative. in When marnie was there, that scene and including her first name are done to help the viewer to build the right associations for the story the anime was trying to tell. Without those visual cues and scenes I bet people would have a difficult time understanding the story. I agree with what you're saying here for the most part. I'm not really trying to challenge the artistic license of the creators. Like I said, I feel like there is a greater cultural impact on this issue than may otherwise appear, even if it takes a backseat to the expression of artists. You make a good point about When Marnie Was There. I didn't really think about that. I suppose it is far easier to convey racism or xenophobia by targeting slightly more superficial features like eye or hair color rather than say, a more prominent brow ridge, a more neutral canthal tilt, or lack of an epicanthic fold. albertbrown said: It's probably because the most creative people have blonde hair and blue eyes. I think there is a scientific reasoning because of this. Um, feel free to share said reasoning. |
May 31, 2017 6:36 PM
#32
Nvortex said: 15poundfish said: Nvortex said: It's not quite at albino level of rarity, but it is still rare. The further you get away from Scandinavia, the greater the melanin levels get. Most black or Asian people who carry the genes for light eyes likely do so because of colonialism or steppe migration. It's contextual. There is a much higher chance that a half white, half central Asian will have blue eyes than a half white, half Japanese, because central Asia has had a history of migration and mixing from Europe. Japan and most of East Asia have not. Most hapas in Japan, East Asia, and the West are the products of East Asian and White, and by proxy, are highly likely not to have light eyes. I don't think creators sit down and look at the commonality of phenotypes of mixed race when creating characters. I think having distinguishable characters is something every anime should strive to have. The common anime art style can make it impossible to identify characters because of same face syndrome which is why characters have weird hair color, odd hair styles, etc. Nvortex said: In almost every case, we are told the race of a non-Japanese character, so having to compound visual confirmation on top of that seems redundant. Really, because depending on the anime you are watching you would never know. In some anime for example, silver hair is symbolic of a European foreigner and other times it means a specific character trait or nothing in particular. Anime generally has no consistency in ethnic hair styles and hair color I would rather have the confirmation if it becomes relevant in the story. In When marnie was there, the fact that the main character is a hapa and another character points it out her abnormal eye color triggered her outburst of rage is one of those little xenophobic/racists things people talk about with japan. Their type of racism is in your face but is mostly polite but will probably make people still feel like shit after awhile because they live in a country their whole life and never feel like they belong there when hearing those type of comments often. Whether you think the anime is stupid for pointing it out with the eye color is bad thing or not I think its good thing if it plays big part of the narrative. in When marnie was there, that scene and including her first name are done to help the viewer to build the right associations for the story the anime was trying to tell. Without those visual cues and scenes I bet people would have a difficult time understanding the story. I agree with what you're saying here for the most part. I'm not really trying to challenge the artistic license of the creators. Like I said, I feel like there is a greater cultural impact on this issue than may otherwise appear, even if it takes a backseat to the expression of artists. You make a good point about When Marnie Was There. I didn't really think about that. I suppose it is far easier to convey racism or xenophobia by targeting slightly more superficial features like eye or hair color rather than say, a more prominent brow ridge, a more neutral canthal tilt, or lack of an epicanthic fold. albertbrown said: It's probably because the most creative people have blonde hair and blue eyes. I think there is a scientific reasoning because of this. Um, feel free to share said reasoning. Well, I might be not so accurate so don't quote me, but most of the characters with blonde hair and blue eyes are more identifiable than in the person's point of view because it brings out a form of how colorful that world they are living in represents. I think this goes into more depth here, but like I said, I could be wrong, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_color |
May 31, 2017 9:22 PM
#33
What is the easy way to portray Western characters? Blond(e) hair. Now, what is another way to prove they're not Japanese (because of anime hair being a literal rainbow)? Make their eyes blue. Your real life examples would look pretty much exactly the same as full-blooded Japanese character in a typical anime art style. It is not like anime is known for realistic portrayals of ethnicities. |
May 31, 2017 10:19 PM
#34
stereotypes dun befall genetics in animu, get used to it genetics have never real'd in anime, if they did there'd be more dilfs |
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Jan 31, 2023 10:02 PM
#35
From my understanding and experience Asians are just as racist and selective as Caucasians, so they probably think that white skin and colored eyes are more attractive and relatable than other traits. Just like with most movies and shows , white people are more desired than others to portray the roles. But it doesn’t matter cause everyone can interpret a story and perceive the character in their own way. |
Jan 31, 2023 11:38 PM
#36
First post resurrecting a 6 year old thread! From what I remember at school. There are dominant and recessive genes. I think it's 87% likely they will look more Japanese but only 13% that they will get blue/green eyes. It's possible for two black people to have a white child and vice versa as long as 1 grandparent on each side was the opposite race. In anime they use blonde hair to let people know they are mixed race. Nothing more than that. |
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