| most anime profit comes from japanese audience or so i heard so feel free to download anything you cant easily find legal |
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| I deal with it by thinking. If they wanted me to pay for it they would of made it more accessible and I buy DVDs and manga when I can so to at least help a bit with the industry |
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| Some percentage of anime is licensed, another percentage is fansubbed, another (low) percentage is available raw but not subbed, and finally a percentage isn't available online in any form. Which one you're willing to go up to is up to you (although the last one requires going through garage sales and such to even find a raw copy, or a dub if it just hasn't been uploaded). Watch anime that is licensed legally, watch fansubbed anime pirated, and don't bother with anime that hasn't been translated if you can't handle it. |
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| and as a +1 to what aerza says, buying cruncyroll license is an even smaller drop in the ocean "supporting the industry" meme i kindof get, but such dedication to the "legal" meme is unusual especially from outside the usa anyway you sound pretty new to the internet.. and i am still slightly suspicious of this being some esoteric bait |
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| I usually just go with the illegal streaming. Those websites dont have everything on there so I dont see a point in getting a membership for them. I wont buy dvds because it would get way too expensive and just take up space. Im not really worried about being caught by the fbi or whatever since they usually target the website and not the people who use them. |
| Doesn't matter if anime is popular in west, major factor that will decide if anime will get second, third season or even survive as medium are nipponjins. |
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| Those asterisked companies are US or North American businesses. They're not obligated to serve every corner of the globe. If you're in an underserved region, do what you have to do to see what you're interested in, but don't expect companies from other countries to spend the time and effort distributing to your country if all they see is a bunch of Jolly Roger wavers. But the North American marketplace did not spring into being overnight because "Japan" decided to favor them. Fans back in the 80s and 90s made sacrifices to buy or import expensive VHS tapes and laserdiscs, and several of the old VHS fansub distributors went legitimate and formed some of the companies we know (or have known) today, like ADV, AnimEigo, and Central Park Media, similar to how Crunchyroll transitioned from a bootleg streaming site in the late 00s to a legal streaming site. Though in contrast to those days, many contemporary viewers aren't even willing to watch a few ads on legal sites to throw the industry a few bones, even if they're in the right country/region to do so. And speaking of bootleg streamers, something like 35% of the traffic (a very disproportionate share, by world population) at flagship site "smoochanime" comes from the US and Japan, two countries that're hardly underserved by legal sites. And what are these missing must-see shows, anyway? Because if I look at that site's Most Popular list, I have to go all the way to #120 or so to find a TV series that isn't available on legal sites. The shows in that range have less than 7% of the views of the #1 title, which tells me that the popular/mainstream and legally streamable title get the lion's share of the views and traffic. So much for piracy being a service problem rather than a pricing one; people are going to these bootleg streaming sites because they can't or won't pay subscription fees at legal ones, or they don't feel like watching ads. Or they feel like they're entitled to everything for free in HQ right away without ads, which makes anime piracy a fandom culture problem. Aerza said: What happens to those animators and manga authors if those studios and publishing companies go out of business? More unemployed workers + fewer jobs = even more downward pressure on wages. You call them underpaid by their companies, but piracy isn't going to pay them anything at all, much less "save" them. And for some reason, people who use this "solidarity piracy" talking point don't seem to have a problem exploiting those workers for their personal entertainment, or with bootleg streaming sites profiting from their work.When you buy anime disks, the money goes to those who purchased the contract from the production committee or the committee itself— that is, those who underpay animators. Money from manga goes to the magazine, not the overworked mangakas. You could say that pirating anime will soon save the anime industry. Stop paying the corrupt industry man. |
| bunch of morons brainwashed by the word "legal" gratz, you suffer for nothing, but hey at least you feel good about 'doing the right thing' |
Cross  AngeHey guys check my profile for current airing season anime recommendation (guaranteed best taste) |
| Piracy all the way because legal streaming sites don't have any OVAs or Specials. Also, I don't have money to pay for Crunchyroll or any other subscription. I do buy my manga though. I'll obviously start buying most of my anime after I start working. |
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spuukiebuugi said: You clearly don't know me very well if you truly think I'm an "antipiracyfag." I'll just assume that anyone using the "I pirate for the workers" talking point is joking/trolling from now on, problem solved.Aerza said: I did say it was mostly a joke... As I said in my second post though, the industry is in the wrong hands. he's an antipiracyfag man all this shit is "SRS BUSINESS" to him. pay no mind, both literally and figuratively. Omkar_Nagwade said: What's stopping you (or anyone else looking for OVAs/specials) from watching the main show on legal sites, and the specials/whatever illegally? From the industry's perspective, legal streaming is a substitute for watching on Japanese TV. Disc extras = an incentive for those who buy the discs.Piracy all the way because legal streaming sites don't have any OVAs or Specials. |
| lols I'll just enjoy my torrented shows with no region locks. |
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| Long live piracy. I mean, maybe when I finish up school and earn a stable living, I'll contribute to the industry - but for now, they're just going to have to live with my leeching off of their content illegally. I buy my manga though, because I don't read manga as often as I watch anime, and a volume is much cheaper to afford given the circumstances. |
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| Crunchyroll blocked my country, and without piracy the only anime that I know is just Pokemon, Dragon Ball, Yugi Oh, Bey blade, Tamiya, and Doraemon, because that series aired in my country. Even Evangelion get censored in my country. |
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| I don't particularly care about legality tbh. I buy a lot of manga and anime DVDs and BDs but not because I have a legality fetish but simply because I want to support series I like and enjoy the act of collecting. I still brought more money into the industry than 99% of the people on this website so yeah, I'm okay with doing what I do. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Zalis said: Omkar_Nagwade said: What's stopping you (or anyone else looking for OVAs/specials) from watching the main show on legal sites, and the specials/whatever illegally? From the industry's perspective, legal streaming is a substitute for watching on Japanese TV. Disc extras = an incentive for those who buy the discs.Piracy all the way because legal streaming sites don't have any OVAs or Specials. Dude, I'm from a third world country with slow Internet and from a middle class family. If I can't watch it legally I can't watch it legally. Case closed. I'll just keep downloading until I'm able to afford WiFi in the near future. So stop telling me to watch it legally and let me enjoy my downloaded anime. |
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15poundfish said: Monster had its shot in the US, but it sold so terribly that Viz cancelled the last 4 sets, despite having produced a complete English dub for the TV broadcast. (So much for the "Tons of 'silent majority' viewers will buy serious, mature anime that's not full of jiggling breasts and underage pantyshots!" theory.) It at least was legally streaming until the license expired a few years back. And supposedly, Monster was a pretty close adaptation of the manga anyway, and that's still in print. Legend of the Galactic Heroes will be coming out, eventually.Where can you purchase the the complete set of Monster or watch it legally? Who can afford to pay $2000 to watch legend of galactic heroes without subs or watch it legally with subs? The two top anime cannot be purchased without an arm and a leg or cannot be purchased at all. rvbrick said: The Evangelion franchise as a whole is not unavailable. It's possible that Anno and Khara would rather people watch the new Rebuild movies instead of the questionable-quality 22-year-old TV series. Either way, I don't see how the unavailability of a handful of iconic titles makes piracy "always" justified. Again, the numbers on Kiss show an overwhelming preference for the new, popular, and mainstream titles that are legally available in North America. Evangelion isn't even the most widely-viewed "not legally available" show on KA (though it comes close if you add the sub+dub view numbers); that honor belongs to the Kiss X Sis OVA.Anime is one of those industries where piracy is always justified. You can't watch [Neon Genesis Evangelion] legally without spending upwards of 200 dollars on DVDs. Without fansubs, the anime industry outside of japan never would've become much of an industry at all. There's some truth to that, but there were plenty of "fandom gateway" shows that got TV broadcasts in the 80s and 90s that reached far more people than xth-generation VHS tape traders ever did. Like Robotech/Macross, Voltron/Golion, Dragonball Z, Sailor Moon, Tenchi Muyo, and Pokémon, as well as early-00s arrivals like Yu Yu Hakusho, Cowboy Bebop, Gundam Wing, Yu-Gi-Oh, Outlaw Star, and Trigun. And while some US distributors developed from the VHS fansubbing scene, others like Viz, Bandai, and Pioneer/Geneon were international subsidiaries of Japanese companies.Omkar_Nagwade said: Okay, fair enough, but why single out OVAs/specials being unavailable on legal sites if those legal sites are inaccessible to you in general? By all means keep on downloading though, even once you can afford WiFi. Given the anime viewerbase's dominating preference for bootleg streaming sites, those who merely download everything are ahead of the curve when it comes to damage caused to the industry.Dude, I'm from a third world country with slow Internet and from a middle class family. If I can't watch it legally I can't watch it legally. Case closed. I'll just keep downloading until I'm able to afford WiFi in the near future. So stop telling me to watch it legally and let me enjoy my downloaded anime. -- Because despite what some may think, I'm not against any and all anime piracy; I'm mainly against the form of piracy most viewers happen to prefer, AKA bootleg streaming. |
| There's really no other answer you're going to get here most of the time. If it's not accesible through legal means, most will just pirate it. It's simple. But listen, do yourself a major favor and NEVER use illegal streaming sites. Just download the original fansubbed files. Nothing good comes from illegal streaming sites. You get a lower quality version of the file and you put money in the pockets of people who do not deserve it. Stay safe: download. As for me personally: I download everything. Not literally everything, mind you, but everything I have an interest in. Acording to my calculations I'm never going to watch it all. But you know... compulsions and all that. |
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| This kind of thread again? Lmao Please Stop Deluding Yourself Already. Somebody mentioned it already. You're nobody and nothing and no matter how much merch or whatever site's sub you have, if it doesn't do well in Japan it's almost a certainty that you will never see it in anime form again and this my friend is a hard cold undisputable fact that is unless you're rich and you're about to drop 1 mil dollars for a 12 ep season :D, in which case it would be funding outside of Japan which has happened only 4 times up until now. |
AstZeroApr 17, 2017 2:51 PM
| The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side. |
| tbh if you are one of those "legal" people and can't find an anime legally ANYWHERE (excluding shady sites cause who trusts those?) in that case, it not that bad to pirate the anime. Since anime is digital material, the creator doesn't lose anything and you get to enjoy your anime. It's a win/win situation |
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