I have heard a lot of stories of japan shaming idols just because they smashed and i don't get why is that  |
DrSexyNov 20, 2020 4:17 PM
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| The managers think it's the only way to make money off fans which is not true also a lot of them until recently weren't concerned about how this would affect them, and even now, they only consider safety and security exclusively and nothing else and no other tolls idols face. |
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| I saw some survey a while back which said that about two thirds of idol otaku don't actually care about the whole idol purity schtick and would rather want their idols to actually get boyfriends and be happy instead. But it's hard to change culture that swiftly |
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| Is this the primary reason why Japan's birth rate is declining? I wouldn't be surprised...xD |
| Because of the fantasy element. Would you rather have a whore or a pure girl? Us in the West don't give a shit....but in Asia...you gotta be Pure. Being a bitch/slut is not a good thing. |
| Aya Hirano took heat for this sort of thing, even though at least one of her characters, Nanael, is a direct reflection of this. Dumbasses LOL. |
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| Because they were nuked, twice.... |
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--ALEX-- said: Because of the fantasy element. Would you rather have a whore or a pure girl? Us in the West don't give a shit....but in Asia...you gotta be Pure. Being a bitch/slut is not a good thing. Why not both? Get your rocks off with whores and have a sweet long term romance with a pure girl. Main chick/side chick kinda thing? Win/win IMO It's like virgins can't understand that it's OK to have sex with many people for fun then commit to a srs relationship when they're ready to settle down |
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| In Asia mainly it's not seen as a good thing if you sleep around. Maybe because we're conservative and our parents usually decide our future so they do not want us engaging in such activities. A very common question in arranged marriages is if they girl still has her hymen intact and the guy is a virgin. |
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| Males are genetically inclined to prefer fertile females who are not already taken by other dudes. Virginity is kind of a symbol of loyalty between the sexes. Besides that virgins in marriages are statistically less likely to divorce vs non virgins. Male love toward the opposite sex is kind of a dominance of ones property, and affection towards it. That is just my reasoning. I think perspectives of love and affection vary between the sexes. |
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BannedAkko said: DrSexy said: I have heard a lot of stories of japan shaming idols just because they smashed and i don't get why is that [img]http://i.imgur.com/K46QGdpimg] Sounds like pure jealousy. Couple of saddos wanted to be the one to take the idol’s virginity. I wasn't talking only about the weirdos that harass these women, but also the entire entertainment industry that panders to these losers. An idol was made to shave her head to apologize. There's also the whole scandal with Aya Hirano that pretty much killed her voice acting career. This type of influence just makes me believe that majority of japanese anime and idol fans are absolutely fine with harassing people |
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| Caring about female virginity appears to be a human universal - found across almost all cultures. It is tied to the innate sexual jealousy of men and only in recent history society have learned to be accepting of non-virgin women. |
| The obsession isn't exclusive to Japan alone, but is certainly diminishing in more progressive countries. It is perhaps the remnants of a culture that saw women as a property one could do as they please. Virginity signifies they're still available for a man to claim as theirs. Whereas nonvirginity would mean another man already has a claim on the sexuality of the woman. Hence the phrases like "tainted" impure" etc. She is, as they would claim, subsumed into a commodity of the man, it is seen humiliating to be with the woman who has been "reduced" to that state. |
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DrSexy said: BannedAkko said: Sounds like pure jealousy. Couple of saddos wanted to be the one to take the idol’s virginity. I wasn't talking only about the weirdos that harass these women, but also the entire entertainment industry that panders to these losers. An idol was made to shave her head to apologize. There's also the whole scandal with Aya Hirano that pretty much killed her voice acting career. This type of influence just makes me believe that majority of japanese anime and idol fans are absolutely fine with harassing people What did Aya Hirano do? Wasn't she Haruhi? |
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DrSexy said: I have heard a lot of stories of japan shaming idols just because they smashed and i don't get why is that I honestly don't get why that is a thing either. But I think it has to do with the fact that Japan as a whole is a more conservative/traditionalist society in certain aspects than your typical Western society. Yeah, I know, that sounds insanse when you compare it with the glimpses of Japan we get from anime. But we shouldn't forget that, while anime in its home country is much more popular than the niche it is in the West, it still represents a counter-culturual movement. |
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| It was said on this thread, but you can pretty much say the same thing for some other cultures, even cultures outside of Eastern Asia. I'd venture to say virginity, especially female virginity, is attached to duty in some way. Duty to her family, duty to her future husband, duty to society etc. It (virginity) has way more value in more collectivist cultures. However, there are a fair amount of people who value virginity in individualistic societies as well, Mostly males in reference to a partner. IMO it's an archaic mindset from when the world was simpler and people lived and died in the same village after forty years or so. |
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Auron_ said: The obsession isn't exclusive to Japan alone, but is certainly diminishing in more progressive countries. It is perhaps the remnants of a culture that saw women as a property one could do as they please. Virginity signifies they're still available for a man to claim as theirs. Whereas nonvirginity would mean another man already has a claim on the sexuality of the woman. Hence the phrases like "tainted" impure" etc. She is, as they would claim, subsumed into a commodity of the man, it is seen humiliating to be with the woman who has been "reduced" to that state. The source is sexual jealousy, the same feeling you get when your woman has sex with another man during your relationship. Any man would naturally want to be romantically and sexually exclusive to his wife, you don't have to necessarily tie it with patriarchy and viewing women as property. Where I live, only few men can deal with their woman having been intimate with other guys before, including me. I don't think I am a sexist for this |
Fatephile said: DrSexy said: I wasn't talking only about the weirdos that harass these women, but also the entire entertainment industry that panders to these losers. An idol was made to shave her head to apologize. There's also the whole scandal with Aya Hirano that pretty much killed her voice acting career. This type of influence just makes me believe that majority of japanese anime and idol fans are absolutely fine with harassing people What did Aya Hirano do? Wasn't she Haruhi? "She was sacked by her label was due to her scandalous affairs with her band mates, following reports from Jpop Asia website. Many are sure that the guy in the picture with her is none other than, Katsundo, a 35-year-old guitarist in Aya's band. Further revelations by insiders within her agency include, Aya being very "feisty" with her band mates and that she had slept with almost all of her band mates except for the bassist." https://news.yahoo.com/aya-hirano-sex-scandal-060800561.html |
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| No wonder ecchi is such a crap genre, with Japan's really confused stance on sexuality lmao. |
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_DarkYagami_ said: Auron_ said: The obsession isn't exclusive to Japan alone, but is certainly diminishing in more progressive countries. It is perhaps the remnants of a culture that saw women as a property one could do as they please. Virginity signifies they're still available for a man to claim as theirs. Whereas nonvirginity would mean another man already has a claim on the sexuality of the woman. Hence the phrases like "tainted" impure" etc. She is, as they would claim, subsumed into a commodity of the man, it is seen humiliating to be with the woman who has been "reduced" to that state. The source is sexual jealousy, the same feeling you get when your woman has sex with another man during your relationship. Any man would naturally want to be romantically and sexually exclusive to his wife, you don't have to necessarily tie it with patriarchy and viewing women as property. Where I live, only few men can deal with their woman having been intimate with other guys before, including me. I don't think I am a sexist for this Sexual jealousy by itself would be sufficiently explanatory for caring about faithfulness, but not for desiring virginity from one's partner. Romantic and sexual exclusivity does not require marrying a virgin, nor is it guaranteed to happen by marrying a virgin. So you cannot tie it to sexual jealousy alone since there's no causality. Moreover, jealousy of one's spouse isn't a disproportionately male thing, whereas valuing virginity is. You'd have to account for the discrepancy of the sexes, which entails introducing another component that is a gendered phenomenon. Hence, my point. |
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Auron_ said: _DarkYagami_ said: The source is sexual jealousy, the same feeling you get when your woman has sex with another man during your relationship. Any man would naturally want to be romantically and sexually exclusive to his wife, you don't have to necessarily tie it with patriarchy and viewing women as property. Where I live, only few men can deal with their woman having been intimate with other guys before, including me. I don't think I am a sexist for this Sexual jealousy by itself would be sufficiently explanatory for caring about faithfulness, but not for desiring virginity from one's partner. Romantic and sexual exclusivity does not require marrying a virgin, nor is it guaranteed to happen by marrying a virgin. So you cannot tie it to sexual jealousy alone since there's no causality. It is about sexual jealousy, that's the emotion felt when you feel you're woman is with another man. The emotion doesn't know any timeframe. If you accidentally found sex tape of your woman having sex with her ex, I imagine you would be seething with jealousy and not miraculously being okay because it was in the past. Emotions aren't even rational. There's no rational reason for even wanting to be sexual exclusive in this age with paternity testing and birth control but it's what people do because it fulfills their very emotional views of how a romantic relationship should be. Moreover, jealousy of one's spouse isn't a disproportionately male thing, whereas valuing virginity is. You'd have to account for the discrepancy of the sexes, which entails introducing another component that is a gendered phenomenon. Hence, my point. Caring about height in dating is overwhelmingly a gendered phenomenon with only women exhibiting this strong preference. Dating is full of double standards and differential expectations for men and women. Something being gendered especially in regards to sexuality doesn't mean it's sexist. Men and women aren't identical in sexuality. Views on male sexuality are different from that of a woman's. Sex means nothing for a man but it means a potential pregnancy for women, so it is obvious who's going to have a greater psychological/subconscious commitment and involvement in the act of sexual intercourse. Of course, evolutionarily all this is done to ensure paternity and men probably underwent sex-selective evolution that interprets all instance of apparent female infidelity as being made into a cuckold. This subconscious couldn't have factored in birth control or abortion since they're modern phenomena and men will always have strong emotional response which they can learn to suspend, as you probably do since virginity of your partner can be a near impossible expectation in the western world Also female mate jealousy is predominantly emotional, and is referred to as emotional jealousy. Woman are much, much more willing to forgive a one time sexual infidelity than men, in almost every part of the globe |
fishyrishiNov 22, 2020 9:44 AM
| @_DarkYagami_ It is about sexual jealousy, that's the emotion felt when you feel you're woman is with another man. The emotion doesn't know any timeframe. If you accidentally found sex tape of your woman having sex with her ex, I imagine you would be seething with jealousy and not miraculously being okay because it was in the past. Emotions aren't even rational. Sure emotions aren't rational, but they are informed by your experiences, what you consume, what you're exposed to, the things you read up on or listen to make sense of the world you live, which may or may not be a rational intake. A father who's filled with indescribable anger after learning his daughter is dating a black man is not necessarily to blame for the emotion he's feeling, since you don't control your emotions. But it calls into question his exposure in life that have planted implicit beliefs not in line with reality. In case the "you" in that case was not a generic you but you were specifically asking me, I would not be jealous no. There's no rational reason for even wanting to be sexual exclusive in this age with paternity testing and birth control but it's what people do because it fulfills their very emotional views of how a romantic relationship should be. Sure, and being irrational can be perfectly fine. If no harmful assumptions is informing your irrational reaction, then there's nothing wrong with it. Something being gendered especially in regards to sexuality doesn't mean it's sexist. Men and women aren't identical in sexuality. Let's be careful here, this was never a point I made. All I stated is that your given reason "That it's about sexual jealousy" failed to account for the fact that the same sexual jealousy manifested vastly differently between the sexes when it comes to prior relations, but fairly comparable when it comes to post-relations (infidelity), and that a more nuanced answer, containing a gendered component should be added. All you've said to that end was that male sexuality is different, which is true. But you can't just handwave away a social phenomenon by invoking biology, without there being demonstrated links to purely biological causes. Also female mate jealousy is predominantly an emotional one, and is referred to as emotional jealousy. Woman are much, much more willing to forgive a one time sexual infidelity than men, in almost every part of the globe I'll need your sources for the second part, what I read about it was that they forgive similarly. For the first sentence I agree, but I don't see how that relates to accounting for the different levels of concern for one's spouse's prior relationships. Prior relationships can be just as much of a cause for concern emotionally as it can be sexually. And those two aspects aren't really separable in the first place. The emotional and sexual goes hand in hand. There's no reason for it to be amplified in one respect and not affected in the other. |
AuronNov 22, 2020 9:55 AM
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| Well it's most definitely better than wanting to smash while in high school. |
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DrSexy said: "She was sacked by her label was due to her scandalous affairs with her band mates, following reports from Jpop Asia website. Many are sure that the guy in the picture with her is none other than, Katsundo, a 35-year-old guitarist in Aya's band. Further revelations by insiders within her agency include, Aya being very "feisty" with her band mates and that she had slept with almost all of her band mates except for the bassist." https://news.yahoo.com/aya-hirano-sex-scandal-060800561.html "She had slept with almost all of her band mates except for the bassist." Man... Why you always gotta do the bassist bruhs like that? OT: I personally don't like other men's "mix and spices" on my wamen, so yeah. |
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| Not only japan is obsessed with virginity my country is also like that because once you lose your virginity you're defiling your honour and family name and also no sex before marriage. |
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