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Nov 17, 2016 6:13 AM
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Okay... The boy band thing is getting beyond ridiculous at this point. While I get there may be a reason for it:
Kitsu-nee said:
This could be squeezed into a few pages to be honest, entire chapter for explaining why everything about their show is perfectection was a bit too much imo :v
. Couldn't have said it any better.

Though it was worth Ciel's smug smile at the end. That was the only highlight of the chapter.

StarsOfRust said:
I wouldn't say the boy band thing is a total waste. It must serve some purpose other than pure fan service, otherwise Yana wouldn't have put it in the story.
Although I do agree it kills me every chapter when my questions are left unanswered.

Anyway, it's time for some speculation..

I think the mastermind behind this blood operation (Undertaker most likely) is distracting Ciel away from investigating further until he has accomplished his goals(making the perfect bizarre dolls with a higher success rate). Straying Ciel away from the real issue.. Now it all makes some sense. When Sebastian was on his way to investigate the heart of the matter, he was confronted by none other than Elizabeth. Elizabeth must've been buying them time so they could get away. In which case, she did a bang-up job.

So now, he's using the same tactic again. Knowing Ciel's competitive nature, he used Bravat as bait to temporarily keep Ciel at bay, meanwhile he does his thing without interruption. Until he accomplishes his goals and quietly slips away.(But he also has two shinigami poking their nose into his business so how is he gonna deal with that I wonder?)


It's a nice speculation, and I hope it is something like that to make up for all this filler. But I got an inkling that it might not be the case (Well, maybe not as elaborate as that.) and that we wasted through these filler chapters for a reason that might not be as grand as we think, or hope, it is. Lets keep our fingers crossed that the climax to this arc (whenever we come to it) is good.


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Nov 18, 2016 6:38 PM
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I love Black Butler to death. I really do. But the boy band thing is so stupid tbh. And I know something big is going to happen in later chapters, but this is just dumb. It's not intolerable, it's just stupid. Why is no one worried about Lizzy? What about the blood donation? What about the stars? Maybe I wouldn't be so hard on this arc if it was just a regular band instead of something so pop like, but honestly, it's just getting ridiculous. It's just mostly fan service and it pisses me off so much.

Sorry for ranting. ;-;
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Nov 19, 2016 3:26 AM
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I'm the one who voted 5, I saw the spoilers and I agree, that this is kinda pointless chapter, and yet I'm sure that the story will be impressive and dark in the later chapters from the arc. At least "spoiler" is alive.
Btw whoever believes that Sirius is Vincent, is just stupid - I suppose, that Sirius and the other 3 (or 4 - one of the rooms looked as if it suited for twins?) "stars" are very, very old...Maybe they are connected with the Osiris company, that was mentioned once from the Undertaker?
Nov 25, 2016 12:12 PM
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JoseiQueen said:
I love Black Butler to death. I really do. But the boy band thing is so stupid tbh. And I know something big is going to happen in later chapters, but this is just dumb. It's not intolerable, it's just stupid. Why is no one worried about Lizzy? What about the blood donation? What about the stars? Maybe I wouldn't be so hard on this arc if it was just a regular band instead of something so pop like, but honestly, it's just getting ridiculous. It's just mostly fan service and it pisses me off so much.

Sorry for ranting. ;-;


This.
I'm just really tired of all this shit. Next chapters better be worth it.
Nov 25, 2016 2:02 PM
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Lustol said:
JoseiQueen said:
I love Black Butler to death. I really do. But the boy band thing is so stupid tbh. And I know something big is going to happen in later chapters, but this is just dumb. It's not intolerable, it's just stupid. Why is no one worried about Lizzy? What about the blood donation? What about the stars? Maybe I wouldn't be so hard on this arc if it was just a regular band instead of something so pop like, but honestly, it's just getting ridiculous. It's just mostly fan service and it pisses me off so much.

Sorry for ranting. ;-;


This.
I'm just really tired of all this shit. Next chapters better be worth it.
Lustol said:
JoseiQueen said:
I love Black Butler to death. I really do. But the boy band thing is so stupid tbh. And I know something big is going to happen in later chapters, but this is just dumb. It's not intolerable, it's just stupid. Why is no one worried about Lizzy? What about the blood donation? What about the stars? Maybe I wouldn't be so hard on this arc if it was just a regular band instead of something so pop like, but honestly, it's just getting ridiculous. It's just mostly fan service and it pisses me off so much.

Sorry for ranting. ;-;


This.
I'm just really tired of all this shit. Next chapters better be worth it.
Lustol said:
JoseiQueen said:
I love Black Butler to death. I really do. But the boy band thing is so stupid tbh. And I know something big is going to happen in later chapters, but this is just dumb. It's not intolerable, it's just stupid. Why is no one worried about Lizzy? What about the blood donation? What about the stars? Maybe I wouldn't be so hard on this arc if it was just a regular band instead of something so pop like, but honestly, it's just getting ridiculous. It's just mostly fan service and it pisses me off so much.

Sorry for ranting. ;-;


This.
I'm just really tired of all this shit. Next chapters better be worth it.


Agreed. This manga is great but this arc is just ugh so far and it really sucks because right at the beginning, she gave us so much to look forward too. Maybe it's just the painfully slow pace, but ugh.
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Nov 25, 2016 4:54 PM
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I really wish some things of plot importance would happen, but I can't deny that this chapter was super fun so I guess I'll let it slide this time. Though it's times like these that I wish it were a weekly serialization instead of a monthly one.
Nov 25, 2016 5:00 PM
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This is not the kind of arc you do in a monthly series, waiting a month for just another filler chapter has been excruciating, even if the chapters themselves are kind of fun I'm desperate for something relevant to happen.
Nov 25, 2016 11:19 PM
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But this is probably the last chapter from the arc, that is only for fun and with zero drama. At least it's 28 pages and it's beautiful - we can hope, that the next one won't be shorter.
Btw - the boys - P4 and the fags are there only as a part of the side story (the real one is the one with the stars and Elisabeth). P4 need redemption and their friends want to save them - this is why they are doing this, not for fame or fun ( exept Soma, maybe). I'm still worried about Violet - he is not out of danger and I like him a lot.
I suppose that Yana Toboso was really busy with the new musical this month and in her head there are only songs and dances lol...
Nov 25, 2016 11:39 PM
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I wouldn't say the boy band thing is a total waste. It must serve some purpose other than pure fan service, otherwise Yana wouldn't have put it in the story.
Although I do agree it kills me every chapter when my questions are left unanswered.

Anyway, it's time for some speculation..

I think the mastermind behind this blood operation (Undertaker most likely) is distracting Ciel away from investigating further until he has accomplished his goals(making the perfect bizarre dolls with a higher success rate). Straying Ciel away from the real issue.. Now it all makes some sense. When Sebastian was on his way to investigate the heart of the matter, he was confronted by none other than Elizabeth. Elizabeth must've been buying them time so they could get away. In which case, she did a bang-up job.

So now, he's using the same tactic again. Knowing Ciel's competitive nature, he used Bravat as bait to temporarily keep Ciel at bay, meanwhile he does his thing without interruption. Until he accomplishes his goals and quietly slips away.(But he also has two shinigami poking their nose into his business so how is he gonna deal with that I wonder?)

Poor Ciel, he's playing right into his trap. Also Sebastian is none the wiser.
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Nov 26, 2016 4:06 AM
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Altough entartaining the latest chapters feel kinda how can i describe it maybe strange ?? i mean it feels like this is a 21st century and not the 18th and as if it is focused on fansirvice the clothes they wear are like those of kpop which i highly doubt existed back then
Nov 26, 2016 4:36 AM
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otakugirl10 said:
Altough entartaining the latest chapters feel kinda how can i describe it maybe strange ?? i mean it feels like this is a 21st century and not the 18th and as if it is focused on fansirvice the clothes they wear are like those of kpop which i highly doubt existed back then

I agree, but this is not something new - I still can't comprehend, that Ciel has a telly - and they mentioned it in several chapters. I don't care about the 1st one (the kidnapping arc) that much - it's something like a pilot and it's obviously modern - the criminals had a car and a mobile phone, and a modern weapons haha ...The autor and the editor probably decided later, that the atmosphere should be victorian. It doesn't really matter, but in the Curry arc, Soma mentioned the tv, and in the Green witch arc there were very advanced tehnology... And now almost everything looks contemporary - it's odd...
I still like it ...

StarsOfRust, I also believe that the Undertaker is involved, but what about these people - the "stars" and Bravat - it looks like they are doing this from long time. Maybe they are connected with other supernatural forces similar to the shinigami organization - if God itself is concerned (this new guy, Otello mentioned it). Anyway - if I see traditional angels with wings etc, I will be very dissapointed. The reapers all look like modern secret agents with very unusual scythes (exept Grell and the Undertaker) - the angels, if they appear, should look unusual as well.

I was thinking about Elizabeth ... I don't fully support the twin theory, but what else could explain her behavior (she knows?) and the dream, that Ciel had with her?...
Nov 26, 2016 12:47 PM

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I have one word for this chapter: sweet
If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you!
Nov 26, 2016 6:26 PM
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I guess this is an unpopular opinion, but I thoroughly enjoyed this chapter. It gave me a lot of good laughs, which I really appreciate. I assume that things are going to get more serious from this point on, so this more light-hearted chapter was entertaining. I'm really looking forward to the next update!!
Nov 28, 2016 2:38 AM

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Shradow115 said:
I really wish some things of plot importance would happen, but I can't deny that this chapter was super fun so I guess I'll let it slide this time. Though it's times like these that I wish it were a weekly serialization instead of a monthly one.


I know what you mean; this chapter was so entertaining, but not enough progress in the plot
and 30 pages isn't enough for a chapter that comes out once a month
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I mean, the only progress was essentially Bravat FINALLY meeting Ciel/Sebastian but I see what you mean. I definitely enjoyed the many laughs and such, but would like to know more, especially about the man in the shadows. Pretty sure that Violet fainted from blood loss more than anything else. :)
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So much sexyness in this chapter :3 If I see Edward again like that I might faint :P
Nov 29, 2016 5:37 PM
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Lustol said:
JoseiQueen said:
I love Black Butler to death. I really do. But the boy band thing is so stupid tbh. And I know something big is going to happen in later chapters, but this is just dumb. It's not intolerable, it's just stupid. Why is no one worried about Lizzy? What about the blood donation? What about the stars? Maybe I wouldn't be so hard on this arc if it was just a regular band instead of something so pop like, but honestly, it's just getting ridiculous. It's just mostly fan service and it pisses me off so much.

Sorry for ranting. ;-;


This.
I'm just really tired of all this shit. Next chapters better be worth it.

I agree completely. Also, this is supposed to take place in the late 1800s, so...
Dec 4, 2016 8:30 PM

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This could be squeezed into a few pages to be honest, entire chapter for explaining why everything about their show is perfectection was a bit too much imo :v
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I loved this fun chapter, but man do I want to see this animated! I feel like this arc would make an amazing OVA that could be completed in like four-six episodes. While I do agree that this arc is a bit fun and less serious compared to the Green Witch arc I felt like it was a good change of pace seeing as how dark and raunchy the Green Witch arc was.
Jan 24, 2017 9:23 AM

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im catching up today and
oh my GOD.
bad boy Edward....holy fuck Yana I love you and your fanservice.

"I agree completely. Also, this is supposed to take place in the late 1800s, so..." lol ikr i notice she mixes a few things from present day culture in aha. well its an AU anyway
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Business 101 Idol Edition
Jun 23, 2017 7:47 PM

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From an objective standpoint, this idol thing is getting absolutely ridiculous and feels completely out of place...but.
BUT.
There's this little fan girl demon inside me that keeps squealing at these performances.
I just can't help it...guilty pleasures and all that.

Looks like the wheels are finally turning now though, what with Ciel and Sebastian turning up at the end!
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I have to say that though I didn't enjoy this arc at first and definitely face palmed when the original group came on stage. I really liked this chapter, it was still ridiculous and absurdly out of place given when the story takes place. Even still this arc succeeded where the past ones failed in getting me to like Edwards character. I'm not ashamed to admit that Sebastian really knows how to teach the art of seduction.

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