Chi, spiritual energy, chakras, nen etc. are concepts grounded/related to the real world
| Its no secret that Eastern cultures have a considerably more firm/grounded grasp of concepts like ki and "energy" as seen in the many anime produced over the years that delve deeply into these subjects. Whether it be shows like Dbz with "ki" or Yu yu hakusho with "spirit energy" or Hunter x Hunter with "nen" or bleach with "spiritual pressure" or Naruto with "chakras" It becomes very obvious that Asian cultures are considerably more familiar and open to these concepts... Here are some possible real life examples of people that have harnessed similar mystical energies to a considerable degree: Feel free to share your thoughts, ideas, and experiences...and remember, just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean its not true ;) |
YouniverSoulSep 4, 2016 12:06 PM
| Inb4 fedora tipping atheists come here to mock you. |
| Today I am using this meme so much but whatever. |
| yes, everyone knows the real life asian people have magic powers |
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SuperRed said: Inb4 fedora tipping atheists come here to mock you. eh its whatever lol. I understand regardless.... I used to be religious and I used to be athiest..now i'm just me and im happier than ever lol |
| No such thing. I find it amusing people use hours upon hours on shit like this, but not on making their lives or the world a better place. |
mayaij99 said: YouniverSoul said: eh its whatever lol. I understand regardless.... I used to be religious and I used to be athiest..now i'm just me and im happier than ever lol Same. I used to be very pious, but then all that backfired in my early to mid-teens when I became a cynical atheist. Now, I'm balanced somewhere in the middle. I practice energy cultivation, actually, and am really interested in occult science. Funny, how things turn out.... Evolution at its finest lol. One day the world will wake up, but for now i'm focusing on my spiritual growth. I make threads like this out of curiosity for the current state of perception in various ppl. It intrigues me observing different ppls view on reality. |
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Lord_Sithis said: CondemneDio said: But these things do work, no matter how hard scientists try to deny it. There's living proof, videos, everything. Some people do stuff most of us think is impossible using this supposed "energy".No such thing. I find it amusing people use hours upon hours on shit like this, but not on making their lives or the world a better place. You're free to believe in it if you want :D I think it's a load of hogwash, pseudo-scientific reasoning and a steaming pile of deception. |
CondemneDio said: Don't listen to this guy.No such thing. I find it amusing people use hours upon hours on shit like this, but not on making their lives or the world a better place. Someday you'll be able to shot Kamehameha and fighting extraterrestial being and become humanity last hope OP. Just believe it! |
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tr1ckst3r said: CondemneDio said: Don't listen to this guy.No such thing. I find it amusing people use hours upon hours on shit like this, but not on making their lives or the world a better place. Someday you'll be able to shot Kamehameha and fighting extraterrestial being and become humanity last hope OP. Just believe it! Oh shit right, I forgot Soy Ajins are attacking around 2020. |
| Is this a joke? Please, don't tell me people believe in these videos. LMFAO at the telekynesis one... |
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Aquamirror said: Is this a joke? Please, don't tell me people believe in these videos. LMFAO at the telekynesis one... I've met people who think this  is real. So yeah... |
| Not sure of why you even start this kind of topic, all i can say is that mostly are grounded but not as "fantasy" as you think. We are not talking about the telekinesis or something close to that(obviously fake and the videos above are also fake). Ki/ying yang spiritual/energy are in Asian traditions for over thousand of years and are close to nature meditation/kung fu type, not the type that shoot out spiritual energy(you watch too much anime). Thou i think without experience it yourself or get a real explaination from related Asian expert, you will never really understand it. Its something like do you believe in meditation? |
valvravetruthSep 3, 2016 5:34 AM
If you believe it, you can be somebody. You can be somebody, if you believe it. |
| Did people actually believe in those? |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| The most closest to reality is nen (aura) |
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YouniverSoul said: those are very vague concepts used to justify the powers of the main characters so i'm not sure why you would want to use that as your example of eastern cultures and their connections with uh... the spiritual. and remember, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it is trueIts no secret that Eastern cultures have a considerably more firm/grounded grasp of concepts like ki and "energy" as seen in the many anime produced over the years that delve deeply into these subjects. Whether it be shows like Dbz with "ki" or Yu yu hakusho with "spirit energy" or Hunter x Hunter with "nen" or bleach with "spiritual pressure" or Naruto with "chakras" It becomes very obvious that Asian cultures are considerably more familiar and open to these concepts... Here are some real life examples of people that have harnessed similar mystical energies to a considerable degree: Feel free to share your thoughts, ideas, and experiences...and remember, just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean its not true ;) |
Mayuka said: did you call holier than thou bitch right here last.fm |
Lord_Sithis said: CondemneDio said: OK man, if you want to be skeptical even when there are videos showing it, good for you.You're free to believe in it if you want :D I think it's a load of hogwash, pseudo-scientific reasoning and a steaming pile of deception. lol do you even know how easy it is to fake such videos? Fucking magnets, how do they work, etc. Magicians can do similar stuff even in front of you, and it has nothing to do paranormal or supernatural stuff :D |
Lord_Sithis said: CondemneDio said: Moving objects? Wut? I was talking about superhuman feats that some people from the East do using this energy. And it's not a supernatural thing.lol do you even know how easy it is to fake such videos? Fucking magnets, how do they work, etc. Magicians can do similar stuff even in front of you, and it has nothing to do paranormal or supernatural stuff :D When did I talk about moving objects or such, kiddo? These eastern "energies" can & will not be scientifically proven, so they're supernatural. Those videos prove nothing, they're just magic tricks. If any of them tries to do these under surveillance in a place they have not had the time to prepare for the trick, they can't do it. |
| I do believe that some people out there have "gifts" such as talent in music, art, masturbation, and maybe even control of, uhh, powers(?) (no one really knows how these guys did it within the realm of science so it's hard to explain it, what is it magnetic manipulation?). However if this was some real stuff, wouldn't there be more announcements over it? Wouldn't technology and science begin to revolve around the advancements of this "ki"? It's cool and all, but nah thanks fam, I'm not dedicating my life so I can turn off a lamp from across the room. |
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Lord_Sithis said: CondemneDio said: I don't know, like using magnets? My bad if I understood wrong.When did I talk about moving objects or such, kiddo? These eastern "energies" can & will not be scientifically proven, so they're supernatural. Those videos prove nothing, they're just magic tricks. If any of them tries to do these under surveillance in a place they have not had the time to prepare for the trick, they can't do it. OP posted some videos. That's why I think science is getting more stupid. They see a thing they don't like, pull a stupid argument out of their ass and deny it. They're clearly blind or something. There are also those people that break five bricks on top of the other with their hand. Now you'll have to excuse me because the physical strength needed to do that is a little bit huge. And they don't suffer ANY harm after doing it. Science, please, explain to me. No prob. Scientifically speaking these "feats" are not plausible, because they can not be observed or repeated in controlled environments. Just like magicians can't do their tricks without preparing for them. Here's some more plausible reasonigns for the videos: 1. CGI. Computer generated imagery is getting more and more realistic. Easy to edit after filming too. The "audience" of course reacts according to the script. 2. Practical effects. Which could involve a number of things, such as hidden magnets, hidden lighters to start a fire, hidden fans etc. depending on the trick. Note how the stage they are perfoming the trick on is only monitored from one direction, often hiding one hand of the magician. If they want to prove their abilites, they should do them in a monitored, un-cluttered setting. I'm just saying, that just because you can't explain something, it's not a reason to yell out god/magic/ki or things like that. It takes far less assumptions to think that they're cheating in order to make money & fame, than that these enrgies are real. |
| @Lord_Sithis Well, lady_freyja gave a more than sufficient explanation on that. Whilst you avoided my other points >:) I'll give on more possible explanation on the bricks: they're made of weaker stuff than normal, since they're supposed to break when being hit. Zing. |
CondemneDioSep 3, 2016 7:31 AM
Lord_Sithis said: lady_freyja said: Yeah yeah, mass and speed. The hand can't break five blocks on top of each other. And not suffer any harm after doing it.It is called training. The general principles used in martial arts breaking training is similar to the same principles used for most athletics. The body adapts to stress. There are generally three areas a martial arts breaker wishes to force their body to adapt to: the bones, the skin (calluses), and muscles (for both mass and speed). The general principle here — for instance, for the bones — is found in Wolff's law, which states that the skeletal system will, after healing, be stronger if injury is put to it.Craig Edmunds demonstrates this theory after breaking hand in seminar measuring bone density then measuring bone density after healing. In this manner the breaking practitioner operates not unlike a bodybuilder who works out with weights, then takes a period of rest to heal and allow the muscles to come back stronger.. Also, most martial arts focus on channeling the energy and stuff like that. lol. the hand can't break five blocks and not suffer any harm, but it can channel some unobservable spirit energy to protect itself? kk |
Mayuka said: did you call holier than thou bitch right here last.fm |
| @Lord_Sithis Uh-huh. You're too convinced of these energies being real, so you won't accept that the people might actually deceive others for money, fame, and teathretics. Got it. I might as well make some videos which are similar to the ones on this thread, I got pretty good ideas on how to make them. Im just wondering if you'd think my videos proved I'm a psychic too :D |
Lord_Sithis said: you realise most people who are breaking bricks with their hands, among other things, begin with softer materials and practice their strikes and techniques again and again, using strengthening techniques on the body, etc... the psychology is also relevant, yes, but in the same sense that psychology is relevant to the lifting of extreme weights. @CondemneDio lady_freja gave a better explanation. The thing is, the mass/speed needed to achieve such a feat is impossible to achieve by humans. Yes, I know that with training the skeleton gets stronger, but still, it would have to be at least ten times as strong to break that. Don't worry, there's an explanation other than "energy". It's more related to mind > body, but I don't feel like talking about psychology now. But even with that explanation, I think breaking 5 blocks and not suffering any harm is way too extreme. @truisms The hand CAN break 5 blocks and not suffer any harm. I mean, normally it can't, but some people can do it. Unless CondemneDio thinks they're CGI, there are many videos out there showing it. Those people are masters in martial arts, and btw, most martial arts focus on channeling your energy and stuff like that. I don't know if that energy really exists. But people doing that stuff supposedly using that energy DO exist. Our arguments to prove it are stupid, because we can't come up with an explanation. People from the East that are masters in martial arts or can do impressive things like that don't care about science, because they know science is too close-minded and refuses to believe in those things, so they can never prove it. personally it seems to me people are conflating the fact that conceptions of 'energy' are popular in martial arts with the actual mechanisms martial arts use to obtain effects. as an example, many of the feats accomplished by weightlifters, sprinters, or virtually any athletic discipline that doesn't have this conception of energy, would also seem impossible, and indeed may have been impossible decades ago without current training techniques |
Mayuka said: did you call holier than thou bitch right here last.fm |
Lord_Sithis said: CondemneDio said: Wut? Am I convinced of them being real? Yes, people deceive others. But I don't see how that's deceiving. We've clearly seen it happen. If you can't give an explanation, fine. Oh wait, you gave one, the bricks are softer or something like that... Hahahaha!@Lord_Sithis Uh-huh. You're too convinced of these energies being real, so you won't accept that the people might actually deceive others for money, fame, and teathretics. Got it. I might as well make some videos which are similar to the ones on this thread, I got pretty good ideas on how to make them. Im just wondering if you'd think my videos proved I'm a psychic too :D Psychic? Nah, I don't believe in that stuff. But there's real proof of people doing "energy"-related things. Hey now, if I did a video that showed something similar like the videos had, I don't think you'd had much of a chance but agree that I am indeed a psycho-energy user. Otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite. But yeah, your head is too far up your own energetic ass to even have the grace to admit they're frauds :D |
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Lord_Sithis said: CondemneDio said: Wut? Am I convinced of them being real? Yes, people deceive others. But I don't see how that's deceiving. We've clearly seen it happen. If you can't give an explanation, fine. Oh wait, you gave one, the bricks are softer or something like that... Hahahaha!@Lord_Sithis Uh-huh. You're too convinced of these energies being real, so you won't accept that the people might actually deceive others for money, fame, and teathretics. Got it. I might as well make some videos which are similar to the ones on this thread, I got pretty good ideas on how to make them. Im just wondering if you'd think my videos proved I'm a psychic too :D Psychic? Nah, I don't believe in that stuff. But there's real proof of people doing "energy"-related things. truisms said: Even if they start practicing with softer stuff, you are breaking 5 FKING BRICKS!! Practice with what you want, that's still 5 FKING BRICKS!! Of course physical training helps, but that much... And good to see someone that recognizes the effects of the human mind on the physical body!you realise most people who are breaking bricks with their hands, among other things, begin with softer materials and practice their strikes and techniques again and again, using strengthening techniques on the body, etc... the psychology is also relevant, yes, but in the same sense that psychology is relevant to the lifting of extreme weights. personally it seems to me people are conflating the fact that conceptions of 'energy' are popular in martial arts with the actual mechanisms martial arts use to obtain effects. as an example, many of the feats accomplished by weightlifters, sprinters, or virtually any athletic discipline that doesn't have this conception of energy, would also seem impossible, and indeed may have been impossible decades ago without current training techniques Btw, if you really know about that, you know some stuff that human mind is capable of doing. If I didn't know about that, and you told me, most likely I wouldn't believe you. But... surprise! That is indeed true, and is scientifically proven! So, if some of these "energy" things are really related to psychology, then I wouldn't be surprised. Still, breaking five bricks is too much... What I find weird is that you've ruled out breaking five bricks as impossible but have not ruled out some energy that has never been measured, seen, or harnessed except by eastern martial artists and what is scientifically proven exactly? you haven't made any claims. evidently the mental state of a practitioner of martial arts (or a competitive weightlifter, or many other disciplines not limited to physical) is relevant and there is a relation between mental state and physical performance, but there is also a very very strong relation between physical condition and physical performance that i would argue is far more important. somebody who trains more or who is more talented will generally compete better than somebody who has trained less or is less skilled but has a better mental state |
Mayuka said: did you call holier than thou bitch right here last.fm |
| This guy explains his power @CondemneDio Man raises temperature of hands wiith chi |
YouniverSoulSep 3, 2016 8:50 AM
| @YouniverSoul So let's see. The first video's about some barrier type of thing. People flailing around like idiots when he moves his hand towards them. Some "explanations", which uses some science, but ends up not making any sense. Summary: some guy has plausible people "prove" he has ki-barrier powers. The second one has a dude warming wet sand in his hands. So he has warm hands, and that's about it. And he gives good massages, that's cool. So where's the proof of supernatural powers? |
cookies0 said: Lord_Sithis said: And yes, science is becoming stupid. Do you know why Eastern masters don't care about science? Because no matter how "controlled" is the environment, or how many tests they do, they'll just come up with a stupid thing like "That's because of the atoms of asdgsdg! Or the force of dsjghfsogj, that interacts with fjkgnfdjhgdfn and askgnhdfo happens." There's no use in arguing with science because it's fking science. I spotted the troll. Can I get a candy now? I'll give you the hand-baked, patented Kazuhira Miller hamburger cookies. Here you go! |
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