| Anime is great, we all love it. but the only aspect that disgusts me and makes me not want to associate myself with the anime community is its weird fetish for cartoons, and worst of all, cartoons that are suppose to look like kids. Does any one else see this is as big problem? |
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| Go to an Anime Club meeting at Tech, and you might notice a disparity of women in attendance. As I took my seat at the first meeting of the year, it became immediately clear that I was one of roughly three women in an audience of at least 50 people. The lights went off, the first few episodes played, and I began to realize why — many of the anime selected by the club board featured quite the variety of characterized tits. Not female characters with any personality to speak of, but supple, bouncy, comically large breasts. The women these breasts were attached to were not represented by their spectacular intelligence, or their bravery in battle so much as the fact that they were in possession of breasts (and in a few cases, an ass). Instead, many of the characters were caricatures of the typical hyper-feminine Asian woman, who young American men love to sexualize. I do not necessarily blame the GT Anime Club for showing anime featuring an abundance of characterized tits. The phenomenon is endemic to many anime not specifically geared towards female audiences, and many of the best anime feature copious fan-service. A few of my favorites come to mind: “Code Geass,” “Gurren Lagann,” “Cowboy Bebop,” “Bleach,” etc. While not every show I’ve seen sexualizes the female form, the tendency to do so is certainly popular. As a woman, I do not necessarily find this sexualization immediately offensive. Occasionally, it is done with good taste. In “Kill la Kill”, the concepts of clothing and both the female and male nude forms are explored. Similarly, in “Neon Genesis Evangelion”, Asuka’s sexualization plays a role in Shinji’s maturation and mimics his use of her as a sexual object. Unfortunately, however, the large majority of times that female characters are sexualized, the sexualization demeans and objectifies them. Rather than creating a female character with a complex range of emotions, with personal goals and motivations, anime creators chose to pander to a horny, immature male audience — a choice that isolates many female viewers and distracts the audience from the show’s desired narrative. As much as I love to watch the bad-ass characters in “Bleach” destroy their Hollow and Espada enemies, I am distracted by why Harribel’s overly large breasts are completely unsupported and how they don’t fall out of her ridiculous top. I see Faye Valentine’s tight crop top and tiny shorts and wonder how she stays warm. I tried watching “Fairy Tail” and loved the storyline! I was so interested in Lucy’s progression as a mage and Natsu’s backstory, but could hardly stand the number of bikini-wearing, large-breasted women that seemed to crowd the screen at every possible opportunity. If I wanted to view objectified women’s bodies en masse, I would go watch ecchi, the genera dedicated to fanservice. As it stands, I can’t escape the booby overload that is in most fantasy/action/comedy anime currently produced. Not only are women’s bodies objectified, their personalities are as well. Tsundere, dandere, kuudere, yandere. Many anime girls fall into these preset tropes — so much that the terms are widely known and acknowledged throughout the otaku populace. Many times these women give off a stoic or antagonistic exterior, which hides a traditionally feminine personality just waiting to be unlocked by the male protagonist, who these women inevitably and inexplicably fall in love with. Another frequent trope for female characters to elicit “moe” — that feeling of burning passion otakus are known to have for two dimensional characters. Usually this feeling is accomplished via cutesy mannerisms and exhibiting traditionally feminine stereotypes. Traditionally as in “ideal woman in the 1940s”, as in “someone who will love me immediately and unconditionally, do all the housework, make me sandwiches and have no real desires or goals that interfere with my own”. These characters are unrealistic, and frustrating to watch as a woman who knows these characters only exist to be fetishized. For these reasons, though I enjoy the anime medium, I am significantly limited to the number of anime I can enjoy. If producers could please leave the hypersexualization out of the not-explicitly-ecchi anime, and treat women as actual people, not as objects to be fantasized about, I would greatly appreciate it. |
Why not have both? Women appeasing to the eye that are actual good characters with personality and relevance to the plot? |
| Hahahaha, lol, I'm sure all the starving kids in Africa see it as a big problem too... |
| Shh. It's okay. They're just boobs. |
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| can you get away from making a troll thread every other day? 1. no one cares if you don't like it 2. it shouldn't and it won't 3. stop being so damn insecure |
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Zilf said: -snip- First link from google, nice play. :D |
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| They probably could, but they'd have to make them not look so semi realistic. I think that's mostly the aesthetic appeal that the characters do kinda look semi real aside from the eyes, and smaller bodies, and all that jazz. |
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| tell that to anti-SJW(or whatever) they fear SJW will come and take their loli waifu from them everyday. |
Motoko-Kusanagi said: Just because it's not real doesn't mean it can't affect real human. Intentional or not, fiction can also convey message to readers/watchers, it can be both negative or positive.WoW people sure are salty about anime xD And always remember anime characters are not real human beings. |
Zilf said: If I wanted to view objectified women’s bodies en masse, I would go watch ecchi, the genera dedicated to fanservice. As it stands, I can’t escape the booby overload that is in most fantasy/action/comedy anime currently produced. you do realize that ecchi is genre we westerners made up right? WE not Japan, are the ones who decide which shows are "ecchi" and which are not... in Japan theres is no actual label for sexual content in anime WE are the ones who feel the need to point out which shows have "more tits and ass" than others... and that is like saying you need to point out that a show has action, so if you see ecchi in an anime and don't see a tag for it, blame the person that didn't add the tag... but then again, why have to point that out if others things like action aren't labels? "if i wanted romance, i'd watch a romance anime" as if an anime that someone didnt' label with romance isn't going to have romance in it... see how silly that sounds? so blame the person who didn't give Fairy Tail the ecchi tag lastly, theyre cartoons mostly targeting teens to adult men, ofc we want our women to look perfect.... thats the point of fiction, to idealize, and look at the guys, theyre muscular, many times have their shirts off, etc, its just a double standard to care that women are sexualized. sexy is part of making a character attractive |
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Zilf said: tell that to anti-SJW(or whatever) they fear SJW will come and take their loli waifu from them everyday. GAWD DAMMIT LOL..... i guess i didn't get my coffee this morning... |
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| @Mamster-P Triggered now? lmao you do realize that ecchi is genre we westerners made up right? WE not Japan, are the ones who decide which shows are "ecchi" and which are not... in Japan theres is no actual label for sexual content in anime The word ecchi is Japanese itself so no. in Japan theres is no actual label for sexual content in anime If you find proof for me with Japanese article then i'll believe you. ^_^ WE are the ones who feel the need to point out which shows have "more tits and ass" than others... and that is like saying you need to point out that a show has action, so if you see ecchi in an anime and don't see a tag for it, blame the person that didn't add the tag... but then again, why have to point that out if others things like action aren't labels?why blame the tag, when the media is one who mix everything this and there? if we go like that almost every single tag must tag for every single anime, since there's also sub tone this and there. lastly, theyre cartoons mostly targeting teens to adult men, ofc we want our women to look perfect.... thats the point of fiction, to idealize, and look at the guys, theyre muscular, many times have their shirts off, etc, its just a double standard to care that women are sexualized. sexy is part of making a character attractive Just because it's not real doesn't mean it can't affect real human. Intentional or not, fiction can also convey message to readers/watchers, it can be both negative or positive. |
| I have a hard time imagining someone even getting into anime if they have a problem with cute animated girls. |
Mamster-P said: You should, you can't fall asleep when SJW comes and takes your waifu.Zilf said: tell that to anti-SJW(or whatever) they fear SJW will come and take their loli waifu from them everyday. GAWD DAMMIT LOL..... i guess i didn't get my coffee this morning... |
cwtgcheese said: I have a hard time imagining someone even getting into anime if they have a problem with cute animated girls. Hi there. Very little pisses me off more than a studio thinking they can get away with shitty writing and lazy characters just because they throw boobs at the screen. |
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Zilf said: Mamster-P said: you do realize that ecchi is genre we westerners made up right? WE not Japan, are the ones who decide which shows are "ecchi" and which are not... in Japan theres is no actual label for sexual content in anime The word ecchi is Japanese itself so no. No this is actually correct. Ecchi is the Japanese pronunciation of the english letter "H", and in both Japan and western countries it is often said to express that someone or something is perverted or sexual. It's now considered a slang word, so you're kind of right to say it's a "Japanese word", but not entirely. But irregardless of where it comes from, @Mamster-P is totally right, they don't use the label "ecchi" in Japan for anime. The Anime Man actually has a great video about this HERE - see 2:00 to 2:35. |
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Samfrog said: Well, i read Japaneese so atleast i know that much, but my point is 'ecchi' is Japanese word to represent H which japanese think of it as H-content. So, it's Japanese.Zilf said: you do realize that ecchi is genre we westerners made up right? WE not Japan, are the ones who decide which shows are "ecchi" and which are not... in Japan theres is no actual label for sexual content in anime The word ecchi is Japanese itself so no. No this is actually correct. Ecchi is the Japanese pronunciation of the english letter "H", and in both Japan and western countries it is often said to express that someone or something is perverted or sexual. It's now considered a slang word, so you're kind of right to say it's a "japanese word", but not entirely. But irregardless of where it comes from, he is comes from, Mamster-P is totally right, they don't use the label "ecchi" in Japan for anime. Theanimeman actually has a great video about this Here - see 2:00 to 2:35. |
Zilf said: Well, i read Japaneese so atleast i know that much, but my point is 'ecchi' is Japanese word to represent H which japanese think of it as H-content. So, it's Japanese. Okay, fair, but if that's all you got from what I was saying then you entirely missed my point, which was to back up the point that @Mamster-P was making - that in Japan, the word Ecchi is NOT used as a genre tag etc. |
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Samfrog said: that in Japan, the word Ecchi is NOT used as a genre tag etc. What the Japanese do doesn't mean diddly-dick here--this is a Western forum. Therefore, this website should adhere to how things are done here in the West, and here in the West, "ecchi" is a genre tag, just the same as "psychological" and "harem." What Japan does would only matter if the site was Japanese, だとお前が日本語の読み方を知っているとは思いません。 |
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I like lolis as much as the next person but not in some weird fetish kinda way. They just look so endearing and I just can't help but smile. No over sexualization there, just cute girls doing cute things. I mean come on, who can resist this adorable looking face. I feel like all the pains and worries of life disappear when I see this. |
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21 said: Anime is great, we all love it. but the only aspect that disgusts me and makes me not want to associate myself with the anime community is its weird fetish for cartoons, and worst of all, cartoons that are suppose to look like kids. Does any one else see this is as big problem? with this insecure mentality, you are really going to be Forever 21 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) BADUM TSSSSSS!!! |
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Mamster-P said: 21 said: Anime is great, we all love it. but the only aspect that disgusts me and makes me not want to associate myself with the anime community is its weird fetish for cartoons, and worst of all, cartoons that are suppose to look like kids. Does any one else see this is as big problem? with this insecure mentality, you are really going to be Forever 21 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) BADUM TSSSSSS!!! I'm pretty sure everyone and their mom would go on a cold-blooded killing spree to be "Forever 21." That's not exactly a sick burn deserving of a rimshot. |
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Zelkiiro said: Therefore, this website should adhere to how things are done here in the West, and here in the West, "ecchi" is a genre tag, just the same as "psychological" and "harem." What Japan does would only matter if the site was Japanese I totally agree with you. The only reason I said what I did is because someone else (@Mamster-P) was saying something correct and @Zilf was saying that Mamster was wrong when he was not, and therefore I tried to back up the point that no, Mamster is indeed correct. I still think that the ecchi tag is a great thing, as it helps me find ecchi anime... |
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| It's better than them being sexually unattractive like in most Western cartoons. It can be annoying when it's overdone, but generally it isn't a bad thing. |
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Samfrog said: Zelkiiro said: Therefore, this website should adhere to how things are done here in the West, and here in the West, "ecchi" is a genre tag, just the same as "psychological" and "harem." What Japan does would only matter if the site was Japanese I totally agree with you. The only reason I said what I did is because someone else (@Mamster-P) was saying something correct and @Zilf was saying that Mamster was wrong when he was not, and therefore I tried to back up the point that no, Mamster is indeed correct. I still think that the ecchi tag is a great thing, as it helps me find ecchi anime... Oh, so you're not being obtuse. Uhhh...don't run what I posted earlier into Google Translate. |
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| No, but I do want MCs to actually be attracted to these sexualized characters though. If you watch idol anime, well that's sexualized, you might want to stop watching those as well. |
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Zelkiiro said: Mamster-P said: with this insecure mentality, you are really going to be Forever 21 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) BADUM TSSSSSS!!! I'm pretty sure everyone and their mom would go on a cold-blooded killing spree to be "Forever 21." That's not exactly a sick burn deserving of a rimshot. i mean't mentality wise..... lol... but physically... hell yea Wensbane said: Samfrog said: I still think that the ecchi tag is a great thing, as it helps me find ecchi anime... But it doesn't help people like me avoid ecchi, because most of the shows with sexual fanservice never get labeled. If they improve the labeling, I'm sure we'll see a decrease in anti-ecchi threads, because we'll be able to evade it almost completely. Out of sight, out of mind. insecurity at its finest -___- "omg mommy nooooooooooooo..... i can'tz handle zeh boobz" zombie_pegasus said: It's better than them being sexually unattractive like in most Western cartoons. It can be annoying when it's overdone, but generally it isn't a bad thing. don't worry, ill take you to the ecchi church and you'll never find it annoying |
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Mamster-P said: Zelkiiro said: I'm pretty sure everyone and their mom would go on a cold-blooded killing spree to be "Forever 21." That's not exactly a sick burn deserving of a rimshot. i mean't mentality wise..... lol... but physically... hell yea Uhhh...when the brain is at its sharpest and is still able to reliably retain new information? Still not seeing the downsides of going back to being 21 here. |
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Zelkiiro said: it looks like you have been Uhhh...when the brain is at its sharpest and is still able to reliably retain new information? Still not seeing the downsides of going back to being 21 here.  but of course this is a triggering thread. |
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ilovewendy16 said: Zelkiiro said: it looks like you have been Uhhh...when the brain is at its sharpest and is still able to reliably retain new information? Still not seeing the downsides of going back to being 21 here. but of course this is a triggering thread.  And then some text goes here. There once was a man from Nantucket... |
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ilovewendy16 said: No caplock no triggered.Zelkiiro said: it looks like you have been Uhhh...when the brain is at its sharpest and is still able to reliably retain new information? Still not seeing the downsides of going back to being 21 here. [img]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/915/822/7b2.jpg[*/img] but of course this is a triggering thread. ......... |
Zelkiiro said: Uhhh...when the brain is at its sharpest and is still able to reliably retain new information? Still not seeing the downsides of going back to being 21 here. i mean't you're forever that mentality and can't improve it..... w/e bad joke, haha... w/e im not funny blah blah blah shut up xD go watch a moe blob anime :) @ilovewendy16 im convinced most sexualization of anime characters threads are troll |
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Mamster-P said: go watch a moe blob anime :) Hibike! Euphonium is on the list. It's only a matter of time, and if anybody's gonna do moeblob right, it's Kyoto Animation. Except when they fucked up royally by making "Endless Eight" and Lucky Star, of course. |
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Mamster-P said: insecurity at its finest -___- "omg mommy nooooooooooooo..... i can'tz handle zeh boobz" Not gonna lie, that's some top tier bait. If I were 10 years younger, I would be passing the salt around. For sure.  |
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| Do Japanese care about this? I mean, anime were made for Japanese to begin with. |
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Zelkiiro said: Mamster-P said: go watch a moe blob anime :) Hibike! Euphonium is on the list. It's only a matter of time, and if anybody's gonna do moeblob right, it's Kyoto Animation. Except when they fucked up royally by making "Endless Eight" and Lucky Star, of course. #staymad @Wensbane ok seriously... are you being serious here?... you actually sound like a 12 year old whos afraid his mommy is going to whoop his ass if she catches him looking at something inappropriate i know i don't particularly act my age in some peoples eyes, but the fact that you constantly act like ecchi is just the worst thing ever in anime can only come off to me as insecurity about having to see cartoon teenage girls body parts maybe you're secretly turned on by it and feel so ashamed that you want everyone to make it so you never have to see it again just get the hell over it... its not going anywhere and you know its not, why keep watching anime when you know you can't avoid it? oh wait, unless you actually want to see it |
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ItsXolo said: "Alll anime should be grimdark military gunshooters, just like my AAA first-person shooter games." - Western anime "fans" So if it's not fanservice-laden crap, it's a grimdark shooter? Whoo-hoo for false dichotomies! |
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ItsXolo said: In other words, "i don't want to feel judged for masturbating to half naked cartoon girls that look like 8 year olds"Westerners are so narcissistic that they literally believe all foreign media should cater to western cultural values. |
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| I envy you @21 ,so many successful bait posts wow |
ilovewendy16 said: I think you may be right, i mean, bouncy oppai just can't be disliked. I dislike "bouncy oppai" in general. Speaking purely in terms of the real world, anything larger than your hand is purely a waste. And if you go even bigger than that, it's not sexy--it's horrifying, and God, the back pain must be legendary. It just looks awful. Meanwhile, the smaller, perkier breasts are infinitely more pleasing to the eye. |
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