merryfistmas said: TheBrainintheJar said: Except those movies are shit, idk why you think macho automatically means something is bad.This Western fiction has enough macho bullshit. If you want tough guys just watch the latest DC/Marvel movie. I don't think macho bullshit is automatic badness. I love JoJo and the 90's Action aesthetic. I just find Western fiction to be oversaturated, especially when it's passed off as profound. The film "Commando" and Game of Thrones are fairly different takes on it. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Makes sense, I feel the same way about everything too be honest, I get sick of it if I see enough.merryfistmas said: Except those movies are shit, idk why you think macho automatically means something is bad. I don't think macho bullshit is automatic badness. I love JoJo and the 90's Action aesthetic. I just find Western fiction to be oversaturated, especially when it's passed off as profound. The film "Commando" and Game of Thrones are fairly different takes on it. |
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| if being "moe" are enough to ruin your favorites, that's show if your favorites is nothing but visual... but that's none of my business anyways |
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| Moe is not gonna kill the anime I like but it will kill my enjoyment. |
-Senpai- said: akkidearest is popular? fuck this limit bullshitIt's official, a popular youtuber said so! |
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| Basically people who hate moe are just angry that the type of anime they like does not sell well. Not that any of them actually BUY the anime they like, but still. People who love moe anime tend to also buy it, thus making studios want to make more. It's simple economics. If people who like serious mature anime for mature people like themselves would actually buy the anime, more anime of that type would get made. Since they don't, the studios either think that not many people like that kind of anime, or they think that the people who like that kind of anime tend not to buy it. In either scenario, the studio has no reason to make more of that type of anime. tl;dr: Fans who hate moe have nobody to blame but themselves. |
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| Moe is love Moe is life !! Haters can go die in hell |
Z-DanteApr 22, 2016 6:17 AM
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| Ettoo, normally people die when they are killed and go to the haven/hell afterwords. But the moe haters are the worst kind of sinners. So they'll be kicked to hell alive for being roasted alive in the hell's fire! Or something like that >:) ( Means they deserve to die and go to hell ) |
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kamisama751 said: This fella gets it ;^)Z-Dante said: Ettoo, normally people die when they are killed and go to the haven/hell afterwords. But the moe haters are the worst kind of sinners. So they'll be kicked to hell alive for being roasted alive in the hell's fire! Or something like that >:) ( Means they deserve to die and go to hell ) They don't like what I like, so they deserved to go to hell. How is the feel of getting betrayed by the very thing you like? You don't like it, you don't watch it. Moe, ecchi, harem haters got their battle shounens running all year round. ( Unlike us ecchi fans, who rarely gets 1 ecchi per session ) |
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| Wrong Target audience lol, this is why Baka Gaijins are so alienated by Japan's current society. Let me tell you the truth. The reason why Elitist hates Modern Anime is not about Moe, Elitist didn't realized that MODERN ANIME ARE NOTHING BUT COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT!!!! Anime is now a Commercial Medium, if japanese people wants good stories then they prefer reading manga or watch japanese mature live action drama tv series. Most Anime are aimed at younger audience, not for Pretentious Couch Potato Neckbeard Elitist in Mother's Basement. If you want good well-written stories then go read some good manga. There are more good manga are being made more than modern anime so that's the truth. |
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Shock_Yin said: Good job, does "elitist"-kun want a cookie? Yeah, I really hate bad well-written stories too. But Zeta you don't even give an example of manga, clearly they need help to find the road to enlightenment. Zeta's mother has a Pretentious Couch Potato Neckbeard Elitist in her basement. Go read actual books instead, they're much better than picture books. Most Bad-written stories are mainstream in every medium especially in modern times, many younger people won't notice it. Harsh Truth is Well-written stories doesn't sell well on the East especially on Northeast Asia. If you want to see more good-written manga, go to Anime Uber Elitist Club on MAL, find the Manga Enlightenment List thread and you'll see more of it. My Mom went overseas somewhere. I've read actual book but most Filipino books are garbage, any good western books are very very rare in bookstores in my country. kamisama751 said: Dude, you don't even know what "elitist" actually means. Oh wait. I already told you that once. You never learn. :D According to my Dictionary. Elitist are Pretentious Narcissist Overlords that thinks modern anime are nothing but garbage to them, Well-written stories are like healthy food to them. They claimed themselves as Messiah of Internet and treat Casuals like Garbage. They think Moe as the most dangerous hazardous drug known to mankind so they avoid it like a plague. They're mostly allergic to Fanservice because it destroys their brain cells. Most Elitist don't have a Penis because their Penis is located at their brains. Everytime they like Well-written Stories, their Brain will have Orgasm. God make a mistake about their Creation! Why he accidentally put genitalia on Human's crotch? They better put Genitalia inside of Human Brain to make it better. That's what i have to say my dear Baka Gaijin, keep cursing Osamu Tezuka forever. |
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Semen-Demon said: Wrong Target audience lol, this is why Baka Gaijins are so alienated by Japan's current society. Let me tell you the truth. The reason why Elitist hates Modern Anime is not about Moe, Elitist didn't realized that MODERN ANIME ARE NOTHING BUT COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT!!!! Anime is now a Commercial Medium, if japanese people wants good stories then they prefer reading manga or watch japanese mature live action drama tv series. Most Anime are aimed at younger audience, not for Pretentious Couch Potato Neckbeard Elitist in Mother's Basement. If you want good well-written stories then go read some good manga. There are more good manga are being made more than modern anime so that's the truth. Anime to me is about aesthetics and visual direction. As a result I like moe stuff, along with more "manly"/older stuff too (I love both moe and 90's artstyles, this would make me a weirdo to most people). VNs/manga are where the stories are at. |
I don't see how Moe could kill anime. The guy looks like he likes anime. |
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kamisama751 said: DmonHiro said: Basically people who hate moe are just angry that the type of anime they like does not sell well. Not that any of them actually BUY the anime they like, but still. People who love moe anime tend to also buy it, thus making studios want to make more. It's simple economics. If people who like serious mature anime for mature people like themselves would actually buy the anime, more anime of that type would get made. Since they don't, the studios either think that not many people like that kind of anime, or they think that the people who like that kind of anime tend not to buy it. In either scenario, the studio has no reason to make more of that type of anime. tl;dr: Fans who hate moe have nobody to blame but themselves. Buying them for supporting the slave work condition? No thanks. Animators don't have it easy by any means, but likening it to "slave work" is frankly an insult to people in sweatshops and other actual slavelike conditions. And yes, this is how the market works. People buy moe stuff, so moe stuff keeps getting made. Experimental stuff still comes along every so often though, as truly experimental stuff is not driven by market trends, and then new trends may come along as a result. |
| Holy shit that was cringe and both these plebs barely seen much anime in the first place. |
-Senpai- said: It's official, a popular youtuber said so! Not even mentioning that youtuber is Akidearest, Who is literally the biggest weeb and attention whore I've ever watched. She literally put on a cat outfit and japanese swimsuit on camera just because she got them in the P.O box. like... what Not saying Moe is ruining anime, just disagreeing that one youtube video made by someone who is a... Unreliable source is smart At least Gaijin Goomba is in it, gives it some kind of credibility |
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joephillingham said: -Senpai- said: It's official, a popular youtuber said so! Not even mentioning that youtuber is Akidearest, Who is literally the biggest weeb and attention whore I've ever watched. She literally put on a cat outfit and japanese swimsuit on camera just because she got them in the P.O box. like... what Not saying Moe is ruining anime, just disagreeing that one youtube video made by someone who is a... Unreliable source is smart At least Gaijin Goomba is in it, gives it some kind of credibility I seen that video, she looks alright in a swimsuit. Lobinde said: Animators don't have it easy by any means, but likening it to "slave work" is frankly an insult to people in sweatshops and other actual slavelike conditions. And yes, this is how the market works. People buy moe stuff, so moe stuff keeps getting made. Experimental stuff still comes along every so often though, as truly experimental stuff is not driven by market trends, and then new trends may come along as a result. Animators have died doing what they love and they often get no appreciation from studios and unless they work for Sunrise, Toei, PA works (man they have some nice facilities btw), and KyoAni, it's definitely the pits in pay as well especially A-1, animators have died to make the 1st Idolm@ster and other anime. |
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| I literally don't get what it is about moe that ticks people off. Never have, never will. Especially now that cutesy Slice of Life shows haven't been the most popular thing in anime for quite a while now yet people still complain like they are. Have you just stopped paying attention to anime these past few years? Have you by chance noticed the influx of harems and psuedo harems set in magic schools? Are you just frustrated that Love Live sells 10 times more Blu-rays than your precious One Meme Man? (If you do fall into that latter category though you should probably get over yourself because OPM's BD sales were still pretty solid). Also, have you not noticed that there are actually a hell of a lot more western inspired shows coming out every year than there were a few years back? Might not have been true a few years ago, but we matter to Japan now. Stuff like Space Dandy certainly wouldn't exist otherwise (Which did amazing on Toonami despite rotten sales in Japan). |
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SeibaaHomu said: I literally don't get what it is about moe that ticks people off. Never have, never will. Especially now that cutesy Slice of Life shows haven't been the most popular thing in anime for quite a while now yet people still complain like they are. Have you just stopped paying attention to anime these past few years? Have you by chance noticed the influx of harems and psuedo harems set in magic schools? Are you just frustrated that Love Live sells 10 times more Blu-rays than your precious One Meme Man? (If you do fall into that latter category though you should probably get over yourself because OPM's BD sales were still pretty solid). Also, have you not noticed that there are actually a hell of a lot more western inspired shows coming out every year than there were a few years back? Might not have been true a few years ago, but we matter to Japan now. Stuff like Space Dandy certainly wouldn't exist otherwise (Which did amazing on Toonami despite rotten sales in Japan). Yeah, moe is still a significant influence on the industry, but it's definitely not as dominant now. We've gotten more "westernised" anime over the past few years for sure, but people will keep complaining because that's what people do. They want everything to be made for THEIR specific tastes whilst not supporting the industry at all, and cry when that doesn't happen. |
| Clearly wouldn't kill anime in the first place. Some anime need moe, depending on the actual story. |
kamisama751 said: Intelligenza said: Clearly wouldn't kill anime in the first place. Some anime need moe, depending on the actual story. CGDCT haven't got as story, so..... You've got to really search hard if you want both moe, and plot. |
kamisama751 said: Intelligenza said: Clearly wouldn't kill anime in the first place. Some anime need moe, depending on the actual story. CGDCT haven't got as story, so..... Episodic = Plotless/No story Plotless = shit because it has no story. I'm always fine with Episodic series, my favorite part of Episodic shows are Character-driven ones. Cowboy Bebop is a great example where it has no story but the characters are awesome. |
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| I honestly don't get the hate for moe either. Just as said in the video, moe can be very subjective and a lot of the time it might not even be intended at all. And I think its stupid to say that shows with moe art style and characters are ruining the industry. Seriously its just a way to draw characters,many people find it cute and appealing.Like a character can be moe but also otherwise great. And I definitely think anime has gotten less "moe" (meaning shows that are pretty much only based around cute characters and comedy) in like 2014-present. Really,besides some SoL CGDCT shows, almost everything else is action or fantasy or shonen. We don't get many gal game/eroge adaptations and most romcom harem LN adaptations are now replaced by the isekai or fanasy school trope. I feel like we had more "moeblob" shows in like 2007-2012 or something. |
FukuchiChiisaia said: Actually their opinions matter less since they are plebsPsychoBomb said: What a stupid thread. We all have different tastes. It's not official because a person said so, every person has their own opinion. That's true... That youtuber is just ordinary anime fan like us. Their opinion doesn't matter.. |
| Okay, now that I've sat down and watched a bit of the video I can say one thing. Gaijin Goomba is an fucking idiot. Like, he's basically just taken a variety of storytelling problems (Namely over reliance on character types, a problem which effects basically all storytelling mediums ever) and just compressed it all into one handy little buzzword because he doesn't know how to properly express his opinions. Sure moe doesn't really have a clear agreed definition. But whatever it does mean, it sure as hell ain't what he thinks it does. |
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| On the other hand, it could be said that moe saved the industry. Moe is what keeps the industry afloat with capital, even if you hate moe this is a fact, "moe" and idol stuff is the stuff that makes the most sales, and keeps the studios able to support their staff. Without this, studios would not be able to make EITHER moeshit or the "serious" anime that you guys like. (and the whole fun/serious dichtotomy in the anime community is silly as well, but that's a different topic. Moeshit can be narrative-based tool, for example Madoka Magica. Of course not everyone likes Madoka Magica but it's a fact that it is narratively-structured.) |
| Anyone can make a "dark edgy" anime that appeals to teenage losers who think they're deeper than they actually are. It takes REAL fucking SKILL to get grown ass men to be interested in a bunch of schoolgirls doing nothing. |
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| I like Moe. It makes anime more fun to watch. I learned what it was through the anime community and now I feel it in girls I know in the real world. If you don't like the feeling of "moe" than you have no soul. |
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kamisama751 said: Jingo69 said: I like Moe. It makes anime more fun to watch. I learned what it was through the anime community and now I feel it in girls I know in the real world. If you don't like the feeling of "moe" than you have no soul. "He don't like what I like so he has no soul." *shows middle finger Moe is a feeling. What you find to be Moe might different than what I do, but if you can't find anything moe than you have no soul. It's science. |
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kamisama751 said: Jingo69 said: Moe is a feeling. What you find to be Moe might different than what I do, but if you can't find anything moe than you have no soul. It's science.  Moe is cuteness, not a feeling. God damn it. If you don't like science then join the Amish. |
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kamisama751 said: Whatyou say there makes no sense. I have pointed out that moe is cuteness and not a feeling. What has that to do with science? By the way, the relation of moe and science you throw in there is unexplained so it has no validity. Lol dude this guy Jingo69 is clearly trolling the shit out of you. Also, moe is not cuteness. Moe is NOT an aesthetic thing, it is the feeling that a consumer/viewer/person FEELS when looking at the object of affection. It is NOT cuteness in and of itself, rather, it is the feeling of protectiveness etc. that the person feels when looking at the cute thing. You are 100% WRONG by saying "moe is not a feeling, it's cuteness" There are a LOT of cute things that don't give me the feeling of moe. There are also a lot of cute things that do. It's up to the person. |
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regalrender said: kamisama751 said: Whatyou say there makes no sense. I have pointed out that moe is cuteness and not a feeling. What has that to do with science? By the way, the relation of moe and science you throw in there is unexplained so it has no validity. Lol dude this guy Jingo69 is clearly trolling the shit out of you. Also, moe is not cuteness. Moe is NOT an aesthetic thing, it is the feeling that a consumer/viewer/person FEELS when looking at the object of affection. It is NOT cuteness in and of itself, rather, it is the feeling of protectiveness etc. that the person feels when looking at the cute thing. You are 100% WRONG by saying "moe is not a feeling, it's cuteness" There are a LOT of cute things that don't give me the feeling of moe. There are also a lot of cute things that do. It's up to the person. Why do you guys continue to argue this when Moe is now used to describe a certain style of anime despite what it's original meaning might have been. When people talk about MOE you know what they're talking about why confuse the matter? |
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Waifu_Strangler said: regalrender said: Lol dude this guy Jingo69 is clearly trolling the shit out of you. Also, moe is not cuteness. Moe is NOT an aesthetic thing, it is the feeling that a consumer/viewer/person FEELS when looking at the object of affection. It is NOT cuteness in and of itself, rather, it is the feeling of protectiveness etc. that the person feels when looking at the cute thing. You are 100% WRONG by saying "moe is not a feeling, it's cuteness" There are a LOT of cute things that don't give me the feeling of moe. There are also a lot of cute things that do. It's up to the person. Why do you guys continue to argue this when Moe is now used to describe a certain style of anime despite what it's original meaning might have been. When people talk about MOE you know what they're talking about why confuse the matter? Because, by definition, those anime are created to try to elicit the FEELING of moe via tried and true methods. The original meaning of the word still holds, and should be understood, respected, and used properly. That those anime all have a similar style only shows that that style has the highest chance of elicited the feeling, but moe is still the feeling, not the show. You wouldn't say sports are excitement, would you? No, they elicit the FEELING of excitement. Likewise, those shows aren't "moe", they elicit the FEELING of moe. |
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regalrender said: Waifu_Strangler said: Why do you guys continue to argue this when Moe is now used to describe a certain style of anime despite what it's original meaning might have been. When people talk about MOE you know what they're talking about why confuse the matter? Because, by definition, those anime are created to try to elicit the FEELING of moe via tried and true methods. The original meaning of the word still holds, and should be understood, respected, and used properly. That those anime all have a similar style only shows that that style has the highest chance of elicited the feeling, but moe is still the feeling, not the show. You wouldn't say sports are excitement, would you? No, they elicit the FEELING of excitement. Likewise, those shows aren't "moe", they elicit the FEELING of moe. Well that's fair enough but what do we call this particular style of anime that is most commonly used to elicit the feelings of Moe? It's a distinct style that is commonly used enough that I think it's fair to give it its own name so we can properly discuss it. |
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Waifu_Strangler said: regalrender said: Because, by definition, those anime are created to try to elicit the FEELING of moe via tried and true methods. The original meaning of the word still holds, and should be understood, respected, and used properly. That those anime all have a similar style only shows that that style has the highest chance of elicited the feeling, but moe is still the feeling, not the show. You wouldn't say sports are excitement, would you? No, they elicit the FEELING of excitement. Likewise, those shows aren't "moe", they elicit the FEELING of moe. Well that's fair enough but what do we call this particular style of anime that is most commonly used to elicit the feelings of Moe? It's a distinct style that is commonly used enough that I think it's fair to give it its own name so we can properly discuss it. Very true. I also think it's important to open up a dialogue, as we are doing right now. Also, please don't strangle my waifu :P |
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regalrender said: Waifu_Strangler said: Well that's fair enough but what do we call this particular style of anime that is most commonly used to elicit the feelings of Moe? It's a distinct style that is commonly used enough that I think it's fair to give it its own name so we can properly discuss it. Very true. I also think it's important to open up a dialogue, as we are doing right now. Also, please don't strangle my waifu :P Ok I'll let her go. You be free now waifu and enjoy your 2d life! |
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