Guranto-kun said: If One Piece started around mid 2000's or at the same time as SnK I doubt it'll be popular as it is today.
And without OP in 98-2000, a good chunk of the popular Jump manga that are ongoing right now probably wouldn't even exist.
And I don't think any Jump series would have reached One Piece's quick rise to popularity in the same time span.
Maybe Hunter x Hunter would have been close, but Togashi's lust for hiatuses would have killed that ship.
scabab said: Ouch those One Piece sales took a pounding. The previous volume sold 2.11 million copies in 7 days and this one only sold 1.85 million copies in 7 days?
No matter how much it declines it'll still be #1, not to mention a strong advertising push for the franchise is starting really soon, so is such a small decline anything to be worried about.?..
It's a 13% drop which is pretty hefty. But it is just the start of the arc and the movie might help. It is still the weakest start in a long time though.
Guranto-kun said: If One Piece started around mid 2000's or at the same time as SnK I doubt it'll be popular as it is today.
Yup. Started serializing at a perfect time after Dragonball ended. And Shounen Jump lacked a similar manga to it.
Not only Dragon Ball as nothing to do with the popularity One Piece had, but that is a lie.
Let's see the series that Shounen Jump had in the time Dragon Ball ended:
- Dragon Ball (Battle Manga)
- Hisoka Returns! (RomCom)
- Slam Dunk (Sport, best sellinga manga of the time)
- Ninku (Battle Manga, Naruto ancestor and highly popular)
- Ryuudou no Shigu (Battle Manga)
- Captain Tsubasa World Youth Hen (Sport)
- Hareluya Boy II (Battle Manga, Top 3 most popular series in the Magazine in 1994 and 1995)
- Kochikame (Comedy Manga, Longest manga ever)
- Takeki Ryuusei (Battle Manga, by Hokuto no Ken artist)
- Drago Quest (Battle Manga, Similar to Dragon Ball and for 2 years beside Dragon Ball, and Rokudenashi Blues was in the Top 3 most popular series in the Magazine - 1990 and 1991)
- Tottemo Luckyman! (Comedy Manga, Highly Popular, There are rumors that is made by the author of Death Note)
- Jinnairyuu Juujutsu Butouden: Majima-kun Suttobasu!! (Battle Manga, 15 volumes)
- Jojo Bizarre Adventures (Battle Manga, Mega Popular)
- Ayatsuri Sakon (Horror and Mistery, By Artist of Death Note)
- Midori no Makibaoh (Sport-Horse Racing, Highly Popular)
- Bonbonzaka Koukou Engekibu (RomCom, 12 volumes)
- Rurouni Kenshin(Samurai X) (Battle Manga, Top 2 from 1996 to 1999(ended at the issue Naruto started! I could fire shots too and say Naruto only got popular because it started exactly at the time Rurouni Kenshin ended))
- Rokudenashi Blues (Battle Manga/Yankee and Sport-Boxing, Like I said in Dragon Quest it was the top 3 beside it and Dragon Ball in 1990 and 1991)
- Hell Teacher Nube (Battle Manga and Horror/Youkai, Highly Popular)
- Mind Assassin (Drama, 5 volumes)
- Ousama wa Ropa - Hattari Teikoku no Gyakushuu (?)
Issue One Piece series started
- One Piece(Battle Manga)
- Rurouni Kenshin(Samurai X) (Battle Manga, Top 2 from 1996 to 1999(ended at the issue Naruto started! I could fire shots too and say Naruto only got popular because it started exactly at the time Rurouni Kenshin ended))
- Jojo Bizarre Adventures (Battle Manga, Mega Popular)
- Seikimatsu Leader Den Takeshi! (Comedy and Battle Manga(like Gintama), Highly popular fighting constantly for Top 3 place with Hunter x Hunter until 2012 where it had to end due to ..., Author of Toriko, 1 issue right before One Piece)
- Hoshin Hengi (Battle Manga, Super similar with Dragon Ball even to the point of getting the same subgenre "shenmo fantasy" and being inspired in Popular Chinese Mythology, came almost exactly 1 year after Dragon Ball, Top 3 series in 2nd half 1996 and 1997)
- Joker (?)
- I''s (Romcom, Highly Popular)
- Kochikame (Comedy Manga, Longest manga ever)
- Wild Half (Fantasy, 17 volumes)
- Hareluya Boy II (Battle Manga, Top 3 most popular series in the Magazine in 1994 and 1995)
- Hell Teacher Nube (Battle Manga and Horror/Youkai, Highly Popular)
- Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun (Comedy Manga, Highly Popular, 17 volumes)
- Midori no Makibaoh (Sport-Horse Racing, Highly Popular)
- Makuhari (Comedy, Highly Popular)
- Yu-Gi-Oh (Battle Maga and Card game, Highly Popular)
- Wrestling with Momoko (Sport)
- Majokko Vivian (Comedy and Ecchi)
- Captain Tsubasa World Youth Hen (Sport)
Absent in this issue and running what it seems Monthly: - Bastard!! (Highly Popular Battle Manga and Dark Fantasy)
Absent in this issue : - Sexy Commando Gaiden: Sugoi yo!! Masaru-san (Comedy Maga, Highly Popular)
When Dragon Ball ended there was 11 battle manga in the magazine(included Dragon Ball)!
When One Piece started there was 9 battle manga in the magazine!
Hoshin Engi is way more similar to Dragon Ball than One Piece, still didn't got the popularity One Piece had.
Dragon Ball ended 2 years before One Piece so it had little to do with its popularity. More than that, the fact that many super popular manga ended close to One Piece is way more important(though I still believe it has nothing to do with the series popularity), like:
- Sexy Commando Gaiden: Sugoi yo!! Masaru-san
- Level E
- Rokudenashi Blues
- Tottemo! Luckyman
- Makuhari
- Captain Tsubasa World Youth Hen
RedHair-Shanks said: Then why other series in shonen jump that started around the time that one piece started failed to achieve that?
You do realise that a lot of Japanese people that buy the one piece volumes today are people who got into one piece in 2010 and 2011. at that point it was the peak of one piece and the amount of volumes it had did not stop people from getting into it 13-14 years later.
Like what? none of them were at all similar or borrowed obvious elements like one piece did.
What does have to do with anything? what's your point here? something that is popular got more popular? how shocking and unheard of.
RedHair-Shanks said: Then why other series in shonen jump that started around the time that one piece started failed to achieve that?
You do realise that a lot of Japanese people that buy the one piece volumes today are people who got into one piece in 2010 and 2011. at that point it was the peak of one piece and the amount of volumes it had did not stop people from getting into it 13-14 years later.
Like what? none of them were at all similar or borrowed obvious elements like one piece did.
What does have to do with anything? what's your point here? something that is popular got more popular? how shocking and unheard of.
Please enumerate this "similar and borrowed obvious elements that One Piece did"! Without knowing what you're talking about I can't analyse, converse and argue with you, because in the end you're just doing big statements, that in the end are just generalizations that themselves can be true or false.
Note that there is no other series other than One Piece that after so long in the series got so much popular. All the other series got less popular, and that includes Dragon Ball!
RedHair-Shanks said: Then why other series in shonen jump that started around the time that one piece started failed to achieve that?
You do realise that a lot of Japanese people that buy the one piece volumes today are people who got into one piece in 2010 and 2011. at that point it was the peak of one piece and the amount of volumes it had did not stop people from getting into it 13-14 years later.
Like what? none of them were at all similar or borrowed obvious elements like one piece did.
What does have to do with anything? what's your point here? something that is popular got more popular? how shocking and unheard of.
Can you name let's say 10 obvious elements one piece borrowed from dragonball?
Ooh, 1 full week and it didn't even break 2 Million, how the mighty has fallen...
And just my few cent about the ongoing discussion.
One Piece popularity had nothing to do with DB afaic.
Oda is already famous in the manga world even before serializing One Piece with his many one shot and a few manga award he won.
The only reason OP manage to get this overwhelming popularity is because he manage to attract even non manga reader (normal people) with his according to japanese reader, epic drama and heartwarmimg friendship which DB completely devoid of.
Alvarito92 said: why bleach sales are so low, sorry im kind of new to this thread
Last volume came out in March, that's why. Now it's just the backlog sales that are helping it getting higher, but it still does quite ok.
Next volume will be out on 2nd of May.