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Taro_Kun said: Beatnik said: Why do you think we've got numerous movies that keep retelling the ending? Why? Because ignorant viewers such as yourself thought it better to bash the TV ending instead of just analyzing it. Now of course, Anno was planning to use the script that was EoE for the last 2 episodes, but the producer said they could not. There is no way in hell the content of EoE could have been broadcast on a TV station anyway. |
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insan3soldiern said: There is no way in hell the content of EoE could have been broadcast on a TV station anyway. It is true that the finalized script, for what is now EoE, could not have aired during prime time. I think, and could be wrong, that Anno originally intended to make the storyline of the EoTV be that of EoE's, this is evident in the still images that are seen in both episode 26 and EoE, such as Asuka in unit-03 below the lake and Ritsuko lying in the pool of LCL. The EoE script must not have been as 17+ content wise at the time of the last 2 episodes and Anno must have just decided to greatly revise the original script fo EoE after he was told he could not use it for the TV ending. |
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Taro_Kun said: insan3soldiern said: There is no way in hell the content of EoE could have been broadcast on a TV station anyway. It is true that the finalized script, for what is now EoE, could not have aired during prime time. I think, and could be wrong, that Anno originally intended to make the storyline of the EoTV be that of EoE's, this is evident in the still images that are seen in both episode 26 and EoE, such as Asuka in unit-03 below the lake and Ritsuko lying in the pool of LCL. The EoE script must not have been as 17+ content wise at the time of the last 2 episodes and Anno must have just decided to greatly revise the original script fo EoE after he was told he could not use it for the TV ending. Which means that, overall, it was good thing that EoE was made into a movie imo. |
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| I really love it. I understand Sinji's feelings and story. For those, who watched this anime for the relations of the characters - this ending is just perfect. All the story he was weak, but the only at the end he understands that he was the reason for his weakness, not the others. Yeah, the plot wasn't explaned :\ and that's bad. Anyway 10/10. |
| From what I'm reading, now I understand why there wasn't a straight story here...very deep stuff for an anime. I do appreciate the ending and I can relate to it in my own life. Worth watching again. |
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Beatnik said: Although I like the ending, I still see it as the director trying to cover his ass with an unconventional ending peppered with philosophical (or just solipsist?) ramblings. He knows he has run his story into a brick wall, his narrative is shot to hell, but he's got enough pride that he doesnt want to turn it into a generic action climax, so he goes the other way and into the mind of the protagonist. He betrays the consistency of the series, which is a big no-no in my mind, unless you provide little indicators along the way that this is where we're going to end up, but everything we've had to that point was in one style, and the ending was in another. Why do you think we've got numerous movies that keep retelling the ending? Sure, the fans and popularity had some influence on that, but I think more stronger than that was the director's own dissatisfaction with how he ended the series, so now we get endings that are more in line with the rest of the series, in style, tone, and yep, action too. The EoE ending is superior in that it doesnt break consistency, but still retains the unconventional approach and shows us the inside of these characters without patronising voice overs, we see it through their actions and reactions, as it should be. EDIT: Of course budget is a big reason for the ending too, but I think just blaming the budget is a cop-out, these people arent clueless, you can still make a tense ending with minimal locations and characters. Thanks, I really appreciated this post. I agree that it was an interesting episode, but I mean c'mon, what happened to the whole giant alien robots trying to destroy the earth story? wtf were seele, adam, Lillith, etc? what really caused second impact? Even though I can see what the director was going for, this ending was really unsatisfying and didn't answer any of the questions raised by the series. Congratulations! I'm gonna watch EoE now. |
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| I actually loved the ending :D that's probally just because I'm not really into action stuff and more into characters overcoming things. I wasn't expecting it to be that deep of an anime so I was like wow...that's super :D haha |
| Wow, what a horrible way to end an otherwise decent series. It's as if they just ditched the entire premise of the other episodes and went with Shinji trying to find meaning in his life. I feel like I've been slapped in the face. |
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Taro_Kun said: Beatnik said: Why do you think we've got numerous movies that keep retelling the ending? Why? Because ignorant viewers such as yourself thought it better to bash the TV ending instead of just analyzing it. Now of course, Anno was planning to use the script that was EoE for the last 2 episodes, but the producer said they could not. That's not what my sources indicate. In fact, he was forced to write the ending stylized in Death/Rebirth and EoE ex post facto, because his ending of the TV series received such negative feedback from many fans. The TV ending is the way he intended to leave it. It is more insightful and, in some ways, far more real than EoE. |
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KuriYokan said: Thread tl;dr Anyways, from my point of view, ep 25 and 26 are just kinda random and doesn't really give any form of conclusion. I think this is the 1st time I fell asleep watching anime. Evangelion was good at first, and went downhill somewhere after the middle. Really downhill. I didn't like the long periods of silence for some of the episodes. Not my cup of tea I guess. (especially the last 2 eps) Those two last episodes of the series have concluded the subplot (the study of characters). The long periods of silence have a meaning as well: they show the perplexity, the hesitation of characters. How often a person, because of fear, hesitation or something similar, keep his mouth quit and doesn't move? As the entire series, films and Rebuild i've liked it a lot. |
| I don't think that Eva went downhill in the middle, IMO they are just explaining the true story not just ordinary robot fights,as for the last 2 episodes,well at first I didn't love it, just re watch it after you watch EoE, |
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| Haha now I can see why this is the most controversial anime. To me, obviously, there has been a lot of thought and detail that has been put into this work. It stands out amongst anime because of the material, the themes, the style, pretty much everything. For me, it is definitely insightful and brilliant, but I can see how people feel ripped off after watching the first 24 episodes. It's too difficult for me to make a judgement call on this, it is what it is. I can't say it is bad, but I can't say it's amazing either. As this anime has so carefully pointed out, in the end, reality is what you alone make of it. |
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| tl;dr anything eva is good enough for me. |
| wahaha,,Death Note's ending is the worst not Eva's. |
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| The last 5-6 episodes were totally weird and the last two were just unnecessary. The ending was weird, because it doesn't really explain a thing. Just 40 minutes of mental breakdown followed by an applause from everybody... |
| This was originally going to be rated a 9. The last two episodes dropped to a 8. |
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| In my opinion the ending was very good. It's hard to explain, but I like the way they depicted different ways of perceiver's relating to his perceptions of the world concretely affecting the life of the perceiver. Complementation of the people by the instrumentality of man as the reason to live is also a theme I have earlier encountered in philosophy and I see it as the vital cornerstone in this series. Previously mentioned themes were linked to Shinji the most, but the other characters also had their unique problems and ways of living almost directly applicable to various philosophic theories. I think it would be better though if all the themes of the two last episodes wouldn't have been so concentrated in the end of the series but would have been more exposed in the whole story. I'm almost sure that I'll get more out of the series during the possible re-watches. This is one of the few anime I'll re-watch not because of the story or characters but because of the themes this series is centered around. |
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| I didn't like the ending at all. If I was like 12 years old I would have really appreciated the ending, but I'm not so most of what Shiniji figured out was plain common sense. I might have gotten lost in the last two episodes. What about the Evas and Angels....? Was it b/c the 16th Angel came that something happened? I did enjoy seeing everyone's past so we can better understand why they act the way they do. |
| The ending pissed me off. The movie did absolutely nothing to fix that. If you see some kind of ulterior message in the ending, please tell me. |
| I loved the ending and the message that it delivered. Sure as some posters have said, most of the ideas and knowledge that Shinji developed and formed in the past two episodes seems like common sense, but it wasn't what he figured out that made me like this ending. Rather, it was why he felt the way he did. It isn't the how that has plagued man for centuries when it comes to anything from philosophy to science to religion, but rather the why. I really liked this ending though I also agree that it may have been a bit too condensed and rushed for a mere two-episode ending. Perhaps he should have ended at 24 episodes and merely released a five episode OVA or something instead of ever making just a two episode ending. Idk, but overall I really, really, liked this series and see why it has gotten such high reviews. |
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| Terrible ending to what otherwise would have been a spectacular series. |
| Great series but i dislike the ending. Maybe i must watch the movie to see the alt ending. |
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| Hey! What about us ending-likers and EOE-dislikers? |
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| Congratulations, Gainax! You succeeded in damaging my brain irreversibly. After watching the last ep: - I put my forehead on the table and sat mindlessly for about one minute - then I looked in the mirror and laughed at myself - then I began walking in circles around my room, with my mind filled with chaotic thoughts - then the beer I drank while watching NGE forced me to visit a toilet - in the toilet I felt alive again Now I'm off to watch South Park. My brain needs to be fixed up. |
| i watched the last minute all i saw was "congratulations" x 100 looks very strange, looks this show doesn't even make sense |
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| I quite liked the ending despite its absurdity. If you've been concentrating you'll know what they're all doing in each others minds. It's a shame that the studio was forced to make it this way to deal with its own collapse, it was too big a change for me to fully accept this ending... I'm gonna need to see End of Evangelion to finally decide if this series wasn't just a flash in the pan. |
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| The fact that it is expected to watch End of Evangelion in order to judge this ending is absurd. If i was watching it in real time it would be around a year between them, so it is not like it picks off immediately in a next season. In all cases the last 2 episodes were a plague of randomness, and nobody can argue that this was grounded within the plot. Sure there is character development but the fact that the whole situation is unexplained, and hanging out in limbo retracts for that. I love philosophical stuff a majority of the times, but i prefer it to be integrated into the plot then just thrown in my face. Lost a point in entertainment value and execution of the show. down from a 10 --> 8. |
| Reality is all a matter of perception, yadda, yadda, yadda. Nothing I never thought about, personally. Also gives insight into the God mentality of needing others to define yourself, and so forth. Instrumentality...maybe the Angels were trying to save man from Instrumentality but failed but things worked out anyways? |
| Im shocked at how few people even understand this ending. Most people in this thread are saying things like "It made no sense...its unexplained....its stupid" Have you people not been watching the entire series? Maybe if you just watched the ending it would make no sense, but surely the 25 episodes preceeding it gave you at least some perspective on what the ending means? It worries me that someone can watch this without realising that you have to think about it from the characters psychological perspective to understand it, just watching what is on your screen won't work. Even if you aren't particularly intelligent you can get most of the experience by looking at everything and thinking "How would Shinji feel at this point" or if you are better at Psychological empathy then you could feel the wholeexperience by looking at events from perspectives such as "Considering his relationship with his father and his general feelings of exclusion and rejection from Rei and Asuka colliding with his growing sexual attraction to them, how would Shinji feel about this situation" Working on that mindset, its perfectly possible to understand and interpret the ending. There is no one solution, which, again seems to confuse some people. I still think its one of the best endings in anime since it makes you think about it. Overall, Evangelion isn't "great" in my mind, its good...like 9/10 good, but the ending alone is one of the high points and it worries me to see so few people in this thead actually grasping the real meaning of the ending before bashing it as a failure. Only one person's response here actually shows a fair and accurate negative criticism of the ending from a properly understood viewpoint, the rest of it is just unfounded opinions...a few of which make me question if the writer has watched the show at all. [/rant] |
| That was utterly terrible, how does the entire series go with "angels are bad we must kill them, and we have this secret society called Seele" and not explain what those are at all. Just a simple explanation would've done it but it's fucking Gainax. Don't know why this series was so hyped, it started out decent and just spiraled downhill from there. |
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| I probably watched it when too sleepy to bother to put together the setting details, so I just go the gist of it (character development and psychology) and ran with it. |
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| I just can't get the whole ending. I do only understand the mentality illness of Shinji on why he wanted to ran away nor hated his father. He may accept now the fact that reality really hurts but it make much hurt if you conceal yourself in your gloomy world. |
| This was really something.... |
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| ok..... that little school life thing was funny, but WTF happened?? I don't get it at all.. anyone care to explain? this just ruined the series for me... no wonder my relative said it was so controversial. |
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TruRhythm said: ok..... that little school life thing was funny, but WTF happened?? I don't get it at all.. anyone care to explain? this just ruined the series for me... no wonder my relative said it was so controversial. dahhh xD It was like another reality, a parallel world.... The reality that was showed to us in this series it is just one of the millions that exist.... In a world were yui was still alive and shinji was living in a nice and warm family, he would be a different person, and so would rei and asuka and every one.... This is the kind of show that makes you think till your head hurts xD But it was said to me that, in the movies these two last episodes are more developed...so I will watch them and you should to.... |
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| congratulations!!!!!! |
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| That was the most breath-taking ending of all time. It's comparable to Mind Games. It makes me want to live. For any anime to accomplish this is incredible. (Those who thought it was shit were watching the wrong anime.) |
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