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noteDhero said: Another thing that bothered me is that I'm supposed to accept that Reiji and Eren got shot at such a close range (Reiji 4 or 5 times), fell into the bay, and washed up along the shore not dead? That's really pushing it. That's not the only forced thing in here, there are many others (a bit too many, on my book). The one that stands out the most: when Reiji spots the sniper and Lizzie takes it down, she connects (let's say) in 3 to 4 shots. Wow, she must be really a great shooter to take down a target so far and high! About 10 minutes later she misses a target WAY closer and on the same height (Scythe). This show sacrifices a lot of realism and coherence just to fit dramatically hollywoodish scenes. Other than that, I must say this is the first episode I enjoyed: I'm happy I endured it as far as now. There was action, good character development (different from the linear and predictable growth of any character in the episodes so far) and some not-so-bad direction, although the animation looked a bit below the show average to me. I'm starting to wonder whether those fast-movements/wakes Reiji/Elen leave when they move is a scenic effect or some kind of hidden power, maybe a consequence of some Scythe's experiment on human weapons. Elen (I'll stick to the "L" variant, it sounds better to me) and Reiji seem to use it unconsciously and when in deep concentration/highly emotional moments; the last example is killing Scythe and (durr!) saving'ìs Scythe's life: although we can't see the wake in the animations, I think she used the same kind of "super speed" to get there in time, without Reiji not noticing her. In the end, I liked the episode, it might improve its score if it keeps up (or improves) the quality of this episode, animation included. Sorry for the long post, most of the time I'm not so talkative, it must be the good feel the ep gave to me. :P edit: chicanerous said: The preview for next week made me smile real big though. Am I the only one who does not watch previews? I like to approach to an episode completely unknown to me... :\ |
DesirioJun 5, 2009 1:42 PM
Desirio said: This show sacrifices a lot of realism and coherence just to fit dramatically hollywoodish scenes. This pretty much sums it up my critique of the show. It's operating well on most of the other levels, but here is where it's stumbling. It's not bad and it's certainly far from un-entertaining, but, IMO, it has a tendency to move toward "guilty pleasure" territory because of these moves. Desirio said: Am I the only one who does not watch previews? I like to approach to an episode completely unknown to me... : I'm less into media for surprise as I am story and execution, so watching a preview isn't a big deal to me. It also gets me more excited because, over the interim week, I have something concrete to base my imagining of what happens next. The only time I don't watch previews is if they err on the side of summary rather than foreshadowing of the next episode. Alternatively, I don't watch when an episode explicitly or effectively ends "To be continued..." i.e. without the degree of resolution normal to episodic, albeit arc-based, series at large. |
chicanerousJun 5, 2009 9:25 PM
chicanerous said: I'm less into media for surprise as I am story and execution, so watching a preview isn't a big deal to me. It also gets me more excited because, over the interim week, I have something concrete to base my imagining of what happens next. The only time I don't watch previews is if they err on the side of summary rather than foreshadowing of the next episode. Alternatively, I don't watch when an episode explicitly or effectively ends "To be continued..." i.e. without the degree of resolution normal to episodic, albeit arc-based, series at large. I see your point and understand it, but I like the feel of the "closed book". When you put a book on a shelf, you can't actually get a glimpse on what's next: you have to wait, you hang there waiting fo the next part. I know, this is not the same thing at all (I know people who never watch ongoing shows, they just wait for it to end just because they can't stand pauses where they'd like to go on), but I like the "wait there, I'll show you" feel. I think it helps some kinds of series to keep up, just look at the turmoil caused by Higashi no Eden. :) |
Desirio said: I tend not to usually....but sometimes curiosity gets the better of me o_oAm I the only one who does not watch previews? I like to approach to an episode completely unknown to me... : *ahem* anyhow...really liked this episode! Had my eyes glued to the screen er..bulging...and all that...all the way! I really liked how Reiji went into psycho mode...but I can understand about how some people were going "SHOOT ALREADY!!" And though the part with them falling into the water after getting shot and all is a very cliche thing...I can't think of a better way they could've done that part =p |
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Desirio said: The one that stands out the most: when Reiji spots the sniper and Lizzie takes it down, she connects (let's say) in 3 to 4 shots. Wow, she must be really a great shooter to take down a target so far and high! About 10 minutes later she misses a target WAY closer and on the same height (Scythe). This show sacrifices a lot of realism and coherence just to fit dramatically hollywoodish scenes. I thought the same thing! I'm pretty sure I nearly shouted, "HOW DID YOU MISS HIM?! HE WAS RIGHT THERE!" at my computer while I watched that scene. Lizzie had the additional advantage of the surprise attack - not even Zwei seemed to know she was there, much less Scythe. Zwei going all psycho on Scythe was nicely done but seemed a little...off...even for him. It just seemed to come out of nowhere and I was not expecting it at all. I don't know if that was a good or bad unexpected thing - I'm still trying to decide. As for the other unrealistic things that people have already mentioned, I'll hold my judgment for now until we get to see Zwei's and Ein's fates. Still, both of them suffered some major injuries so if they still manage to survive after all that...I will be ready to scream, probably (my logical/nursing student side of me will probably find lots to complain about...but we'll see what happens). Otherwise, it was a good episode, perhaps not the best but better than most of the others ^^; |
| The whole scene with him stalking scythe for the longest time just looking at him made me scowl. Totally unrealistic and easily readable what it was going to lead to. Otherwise a good episode though. good episode |
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| What an episode.. I really hope that Elen is alive, I want her to smile. xD But another 16 episodes to come, I'm really curious about what will come next. |
Falatorx said: The whole scene with him stalking scythe for the longest time just looking at him made me scowl. Totally unrealistic and easily readable what it was going to lead to. It was so lame! I didn't expect anything like that from this great show >_>" Really, wtf? Zwei doesn't shoot Scuythe instantly but stalks him like a zombie for some time resulting in death of both Ein and Zwei. And now maybe they'll resurrect after both being shot in the heart?! I mean really... This was one of my favourite shows so far, but I really don't know what to think about it now... Let's see what happens next, though |
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It was so lame! I didn't expect anything like that from this great show >_>" Really, wtf? Zwei doesn't shoot Scuythe instantly but stalks him like a zombie for some time resulting in death of both Ein and Zwei. To this post and to many others: now that Zwei got his memories, he is a human again. He no longer kills just because he needs to do it, but he now got his free will back and people who kill of their own free will usually turn into psycho's. In other words, Zwei turned from a brainwashed assasin into a psycho killer. And I can't say that this suprised me. Since I saw the ending in episode 1 where he shoot with a smile on his face, I knew that he would turn into a psycho sooner or later. And now maybe they'll resurrect after both being shot in the heart?! I mean really... This was one of my favourite shows so far, but I really don't know what to think about it now... Let's see what happens next, though We don't know if Reiji was shoot into the heart. We know that Ellen probably was, but for Reiji we can't know that. Now, on my comments about her death: while she was shoot into heart, the ending (where Ellen shots Ein, which shows that she will turn against her former self, somethign she didn't do in these 10 episodes) and the fact that her death wasn't very dramatic (in anime, you can't be sure someone is dead unless their death is very dramatic), I am not 100% if she is dead. |
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| wow what the hell Elen!?!? Plus the series is 26 episodes long I doubt it will be completely Reji based.... Per the preview of the next episode he will attain the name Phantom. SO either Elen comes back or we have a 16 episode mope fest with Reji feeling horrible for killing Elen or 16 episodes of him hunting down Scythe. Either way Reji took a shit load of point blanks and he is still alive, ah this series just became a bunch of WTFs with this episode.... |
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| if Elen doesnt come back Reji will become the best assasin in the world and he will kill all the ppl who done harm to him and Elen...short if Elen doesnt return the whole 16 episode will be based on revange |
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Dracusoru said: if Elen doesnt come back Reji will become the best assasin in the world and he will kill all the ppl who done harm to him and Elen...short if Elen doesnt return the whole 16 episode will be based on revange I'm afraid something like that could happen... And it would turn out being a lame Gungrave ripoff.. |
| It seems that only Reji is alive. Don't hope for a happy ending. WHOAAH, that episode was AMAZING. But I hope that the next 16 episodes won't be only about revenge. |
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minwonderland said: It seems that only Reji is alive. Don't hope for a happy ending. WHOAAH, that episode was AMAZING. But I hope that the next 16 episodes won't be only about revenge. Well if Elen isn't alive for the remaining episodes they can't negate the fact that Reji "loved" her despite their depicted relationship. That is unless they fast forward in time to where it doesn't matter that Elen ever really existed and we see Reji continuing on as an assassin. I can't see how the next episodes can't develop without the revenge part. For what reason would Reji have to continue on as an assassin if he was already prepared to leave everything behind to run away with Elen. |
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Omegaoveride said: That is unless they fast forward in time to where it doesn't matter that Elen ever really existed and we see Reji continuing on as an assassin. I can't see how the next episodes can't develop without the revenge part. For what reason would Reji have to continue on as an assassin if he was already prepared to leave everything behind to run away with Elen. You just answered your own question. He was prepared to run away _with_ her. He said it himself that he can't go back to his family or his old life. His only options supposing Elen is gone are to continue being an assassin or to go off on his own. However, the latter seems very unlikely. Keep in mind that he's also drastically injured, so, if he's going to survive, someone needs to take care of him over the short term, which really negates going off on his own. I'm pretty sure Sycthe isn't going to come pick him up, so that leaves Claudia, et al. which will certainly engender some sort of further rapport between them. (Of course, it's possible, though it seems unlikely at this stage, that someone completely random could find him.) Finally, realize that the organization is not really his enemy and, with Ein giving her life for Scythe, going after him would be a violation of her supposed last wishes. As well, it was only his intention to kill Scythe after Claudia told him it was the only way for Ein to be with him, which doesn't remain a very compelling reason for revenge after he ends up shooting her instead. So, not really revenge as much as either trying to atone or completely giving himself over to being a killer (as a form of escapism) are the much more sensible narrative choices. |
chicanerousJun 7, 2009 11:24 AM
chicanerous said: Omegaoveride said: That is unless they fast forward in time to where it doesn't matter that Elen ever really existed and we see Reji continuing on as an assassin. I can't see how the next episodes can't develop without the revenge part. For what reason would Reji have to continue on as an assassin if he was already prepared to leave everything behind to run away with Elen. You just answered your own question. He was prepared to run away _with_ her. He said it himself that he can't go back to his family or his old life. His only options supposing Elen is gone are to continue being an assassin or to go off on his own. However, the latter seems very unlikely. Keep in mind that he's also drastically injured, so, if he's going to survive, someone needs to take care of him over the short term, which really negates going off on his own. I'm pretty sure Sycthe isn't going to come pick him up, so that leaves Claudia, et al. which will certainly engender some sort of further rapport between them. (Of course, it's possible, though it seems unlikely at this stage, that someone completely random could find him.) Finally, realize that the organization is not really his enemy and, with Ein giving her life for Scythe, going after him would be a violation of her supposed last wishes. As well, it was only his intention to kill Scythe after Claudia told him it was the only way for Ein to be with him, which doesn't remain a very compelling reason for revenge after he ends up shooting her instead. So, not really revenge as much as either trying to atone or completely giving himself over to being a killer (as a form of escapism) are the much more sensible narrative choices. I'm really just waiting to see both of them still alive after everything that happened on the docks... |
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Nayrael said: It was so lame! I didn't expect anything like that from this great show >_>" Really, wtf? Zwei doesn't shoot Scuythe instantly but stalks him like a zombie for some time resulting in death of both Ein and Zwei. To this post and to many others: now that Zwei got his memories, he is a human again. He no longer kills just because he needs to do it, but he now got his free will back and people who kill of their own free will usually turn into psycho's. In other words, Zwei turned from a brainwashed assasin into a psycho killer. And I can't say that this suprised me. Since I saw the ending in episode 1 where he shoot with a smile on his face, I knew that he would turn into a psycho sooner or later. And now maybe they'll resurrect after both being shot in the heart?! I mean really... This was one of my favourite shows so far, but I really don't know what to think about it now... Let's see what happens next, though We don't know if Reiji was shoot into the heart. We know that Ellen probably was, but for Reiji we can't know that. Now, on my comments about her death: while she was shoot into heart, the ending (where Ellen shots Ein, which shows that she will turn against her former self, somethign she didn't do in these 10 episodes) and the fact that her death wasn't very dramatic (in anime, you can't be sure someone is dead unless their death is very dramatic), I am not 100% if she is dead. Yes, I understand your points, and they seem pretty solid. Zwei was shot 3 times at the chest area, I think that would be enough for most? But I can't really comment on resurrecting matter, because I don't know what will happen in the next episode. And I think you meant where Reiji shots Ein? |
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JadeMatrix said: Of course Eren/Ein didn't die, and neither did Reiji/Zwei. Well here are some ***MAJOR*** spoilers. DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET SPOILED! |
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4kicks said: Also, Funimation epic fails for mistranslating a simple English name; Ein's new given name "Eren" should be "Elen" or "Ellen"...otherwise it'd sound like a dude's name "Aaron". So much for their professional subtitles as they claim. And no, I'm not supporter of Engrish...which makes it worse if it's English (western) people doing it. Her name has been wrong in the first place. Ein is not a number, it's an indefinite article, like a and an in english. The number would have been Eins |
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| Phantom is the best anime of this season. But even being super human, like Ein that was behind Reiji, arrived Scythe before the shot? But... was an excellent episode!!! |
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| My question was how they would extend the story for 26 episodes, well, this episode answered... But he lives in light of the hunt Scythe, I don't know, I think this "end" could have been saved for the last episode. |
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Lapan said: Her name has been wrong in the first place. Ein is not a number, it's an indefinite article, like a and an in english. The number would have been Eins I think the creators knew that but then decided against it. Einsu just doesn't feel as cool as Ein. |
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Cello said: Phantom is the best anime of this season. But even being super human, like Ein that was behind Reiji, arrived Scythe before the shot? But... was an excellent episode!!! WTF? This show is going to shit.. Bleh.. Things just don't make any sense.. they added supernatural shit? Reji doesn't instantly kill Scythe? Why? Loads of people here think of crap reasons for justifying that.. But there's no fucking excuse? Whut .. oh he plays with his prey? Oh.. he became a psycho killer and doesn't just kill people like that anymore? Bleh.. And I'm amazed about the fact that loads of people think it's been a great ep? WTF's wrong with you people? Anyway.. let's see how the story ends.. |
KozoooJun 10, 2009 11:15 AM
Hool said: My question was how they would extend the story for 26 episodes, well, this episode answered... But he lives in light of the hunt Scythe, I don't know, I think this "end" could have been saved for the last episode. if you really wish to know, check my spoiler. |
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| Amazing episode. Renji was acting like a psychopathic killer which was awesome. From the preview for the next episode it looks like Reiji takes on the name of "Phantom" (ie. Succession of the name) and does some hunting of his own :). As for Eren....I suspect if she is alive we wont see her for a while. The reason being is so they can build up Renji's new character into one of those "I kill for revenge" type characters. Then when he hit's his peak, Eren will show back up again and cause some drama for him. |
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| Seems like some people disliked the episode... personally, I thought it was very strong (and if you're going for absolute realism, you should probably skip the whole action genre anyhow... and drama, romance, comedy... maybe fiction in general...). Very interested to see how this develops. I refuse to believe Ein is dead, but I agree that she will probably be absent for a while. The biggest question for me is whether to wait and watch the anime or to just play more of the game, already. |
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| It was a pretty good episode but it could've been done much better in my opinion. I hope Eren is alive. |
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mr_utopia_man said: Seems like some people disliked the episode... personally, I thought it was very strong (and if you're going for absolute realism, you should probably skip the whole action genre anyhow... and drama, romance, comedy... maybe fiction in general...). Regardless of the genre for example with fiction.. doesn't mean you can throw logic out of the window.. I can look past unrealistic action, but unrealistic character development that results in stupid decissions made for no logical reason is just unforgivable.. Oh well.. some people can still enjoy the show even with it flaws.. But I can't.. the last ep just pushed it too far.. Meh.. I had such high hopes for this show.. At least the on-going "Eden of the East" (which 'had' some similar genre features) is still keeping things together and manages to keep the show.. enjoyable. |
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shellshock said: Hool said: My question was how they would extend the story for 26 episodes, well, this episode answered... But he lives in light of the hunt Scythe, I don't know, I think this "end" could have been saved for the last episode. if you really wish to know, check my spoiler. I dont think it will be just like the game...bcz i saw the ova`s and Ein and Zwei get married and go to japan .I`m realy hoping for a happy ending bcz thats is whi i`m watching this anime |
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| You know, many of you complain that many things in this episode was too unrealistic and without a logic(with zombie stalking scene at first place), but for me it was great because it was that way. Thanks to this, stalking scene had extremely intense dark atmosphere, and kept me excited all the way. And if Zwei would simply shoot Scythe at sight, it wouldn't be even tiny bit as exciting as it was. Even if this series cares for little details like looks of guns, without some unrealistic or symbolic scenes it woudn't be so awesome, believe me. I don't know if someone pointed that out already, but it just came to me today - If Zwei was going for sure kill with Scythe(cause he had just one bullet), he would definetely aim for his heart, right? But Ein is much shorter then Scythe is, so unless she jumped(which wasn't clearly shown) that bullet coudn't pierce her heart, am I right? If this is the case, Ein really could survive this, and I guess they can really explain it that way if Ein would show up later on safe and sound. And about Reiji - yeah, it is hell of a unrealistic that he could survived this, but it was a great symbolic scene for me, nontheless. It was like killing reborn Reiji, and resurection of Zwei, but as a much greater killer then he was before. |
| oh my....i was at the edge of my seat half the time. i think the stalking bit was alright. it showcases zwei the psycho oh so nicely. and when ein/eren was shot, i was like OMG............ the shock. *scowls* die scythe die!! |
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Kozooo said: mr_utopia_man said: Seems like some people disliked the episode... personally, I thought it was very strong (and if you're going for absolute realism, you should probably skip the whole action genre anyhow... and drama, romance, comedy... maybe fiction in general...). Regardless of the genre for example with fiction.. doesn't mean you can throw logic out of the window.. I can look past unrealistic action, but unrealistic character development that results in stupid decissions made for no logical reason is just unforgivable.. Oh well.. some people can still enjoy the show even with it flaws.. But I can't.. the last ep just pushed it too far.. Meh.. I had such high hopes for this show.. At least the on-going "Eden of the East" (which 'had' some similar genre features) is still keeping things together and manages to keep the show.. enjoyable. Nicely expressed. I'm completely on the same side of the table with you... Even main characters dying is ok for me if it happens for logical reasons. I'm going to continue the show even though it killed it's chances to top my charts with this episode. I'd rather have seen main characters die from some scatter bullet, at least it could have been more probable... |
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| Amazing episode. I hope it won't take a cliche path now. |
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| Awful episode. The worst so far... the pacing was off, the outcome was predictable as hell, and scythe is extremely unrealistic; all boasting and powerful at first, and then suddenly turning into a crybaby? And ultimately he reverted back to his old self... Pathetic. Nothing was even remotely good about this episode. Zwei turning psycho was totally uncalled for and made no sense at all. It just dragged and dragged, with him stalking after scythe for half of the episode. Next episode will hopefully be a lot better. Cuz this wasn't. |
Chronolizer said: Awful episode. The worst so far... the pacing was off, the outcome was predictable as hell, and scythe is extremely unrealistic; all boasting and powerful at first, and then suddenly turning into a crybaby? And ultimately he reverted back to his old self... Pathetic. Nothing was even remotely good about this episode. Zwei turning psycho was totally uncalled for and made no sense at all. It just dragged and dragged, with him stalking after scythe for half of the episode. Next episode will hopefully be a lot better. Cuz this wasn't. It's called 'CHARACTER'. They need to make it. The Sythe master, is just a weakling, with some power. Thats all......................... |
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| The whole Zwei stalking Scythe scene was just too long. T_ Ugh. I was totally shocked when Ein'Eren' took the bullet, although I should've seen it coming. I'm 100% sure Zwei is still alive. I really hope Ein'Eren' is still alive. I wanted them two to last till the end. =/ |
| Psycho mode was nice, though I didn't expect this sort of outcome. Looking forward to the next episode. |
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| Didn't see that coming. But I don't like this. That Scythe guy should die right away. :/ |
| First the name is Elen not Eren. Stupid idiots at funimation. OK plot wise it wasn't that bad but there are a few things i didn't like. For example Zwei going around playing psycho zombie was stupid. His suppose to be a trained killer for God sakes not a gang member with a gun. The first word a train killer should know about killing someone, is fast and effective with out wasting time. That was completely unprofessional. Also i hope that they will at least say in the next episode that he was wearing a bulletproof vest or something because it will be hard to shallow that he survived after being shot 4 times in close range like that. This is not Code Geass. Other than that it wasn't bad although i will be highly disappointed if Ein/Elen is dead from this early. I kind of enjoyed seeing Scythe master running like the chicken that he really is and am anxious to see what will follow. |
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| I respect your opinions and everything, and you have some good points. But, nobody ever said that this show was supposed to be realistic. Also, even if Elen did not die; can you not imagine how this is going to change Reiji? I mean "killing" the only important person to him IS going to change him. The question is: will it be for the better or for the worst. Also, Elen just happens to be my favorite character. So, I can't help but hope she survived somehow. I don't know how they could possibly pull it off in a believable way, but we'll see. As for Reiji stalking Scythe, he went into his "beserk" mode. As we've seen in the past he doesn't think, he just does when he's like that. It definitely backfired in this case, though. |
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