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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Well i must say, i was expecting Phantom since time ago. And im impressed with such animation, quite versatile and awesome. Is quite stereotypical the "I DONT KNOW WHO I AM" scheme, but im really interested on Zwei and Ein's past. When Zwei pointed the knife at Ein on that warehouse or w/e it was, the way she looked was fantasticly beautifull, the reflection of the light on her eyes was simply gorgeous, it even gave me the chills, reminds me of that scene of Ergo Proxy when Ergo touched Re-L lips. The opening was quite good also, not too much to show but artistic somehow, i like those intros. Definetly waiting for the next episodes, the mysterious plot was really great. And as i could see, theres without a doubt something between Ein and Zwein. (Or at least Ein has some feelings for him) Expecting more for phantom, i'm definetly liking it. Too fucking great to be a first episode. |
MikiyoApr 3, 2009 6:43 AM
justcallmeLuna said: Dunno wich subs u saw but Desire subs were just awesome and high quality. I've recently seen the OVAs (I preferred that character design, but nevermind) and thought the story can be better and yes it is ^^ The animation is good, I like the OP (and dislike the ED...) Just a quick advice: wait for another sub. I don't know anything about this group whose subs are out, but... I went 'WTF?' several times. In the ending sentence ("We are nothing... Phantoms...") I just laughed ^^ |
| The ED feels like a wink to another show with a similar theme, Noir. Very similar tone. I thought the first episode was alright, but it really failed to make me *care*. It was pretty bland. Waiting to see how the other shows this season turns out, but I'd be surprised if I followed this one to the end. Not dropping it quite yet though. |
| Decent start. Gonna stick with it. |
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| Why? Oh God why Ali Project?! My ears bleed like a fountain every time I hear them.. The ep was decent, but I couldn't stop feeling that I've seen similar stuff a million times already. To me it had a bit of Gunslinger Girl feel to it, especially from Ein. I hope it will turn out to be more than just one big cliché. |
KvakondApr 3, 2009 7:40 AM
| I really liked the episode. It was a great mix of action, tension, psychology and drama. The symbolisms were also great and I especialy liked when Zwei opened those gates and saw the light of sun... the light of hope... only to see the desert which symbolises harshness and emptyness. I really hope that future eps don't dissapoint. |
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| It was not bad. Had some good animation quality and I also liked the generic but good character design. OP was good, too. Not really sure, though if I will stick with it since I have so much else to watch, but I will watch another episode at least. |
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| Honestly, i was expecting more from the storyline, but it wasn't too bad. Animation was good, OP was reasonably good. Still, this anime has way too many stereotypes in it, it needs to get rid of a few. It's trying to be too much for it's own good. Overall, it was decent. Not a waste of time, but not superb either. |
| I saw the Ova a while back and really liked it so watched this expecting a lot. I liked it. It seemed to have some differences from the ova, but not so much that it was a different story (so far at least, hopefully the ending will be different). I'm not sure what people were expecting when they say it was stereotypical or too much like other plots. It is still at its heart an adaption of a visual novel and/or ova (an ova made in 2004 at that) so one shouldn't expect the general feel the show to be radically different. I'd expect them to flesh out Zwei more in the coming episodes. This episode used the style where they start out in the future and then show some scenes of the past (how Zwei came to be an assassin) so as to get people right in the action, but in the preview of next episode they show Zwei and Ein training so it looks to be more focused on Zwei's early days. I must say that i did prefer the way the Ova just went in chronologically order and started with some screen time for Zwei pre meeting Ein to make him seem like a more normal character. It is must easier to empathize with a normal guy traveling abroad who gets in a situation that is over his head than someone who is naturally able to beat the top assassin in the world in one on one combat with no training/experience, an area the ova seemed to have done a much better job at so far. Also interesting how Ein seems to be a more human character in this series. |
| I enjoyed this ep and liked the ending! |
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| The episode wasn't bad, but it doesn't seem like anything with high potential to me. The animation is pretty good, but the story is too unoriginal in my opinion. Let's see how this turns out. ^^; This episode gets a 3/5 from me. |
| Not bad, but not really anything special either, but maybe that is just an artifact of they way they chose to introduce the show. I don't feel any empathy for the characters at the moment but I'm guessing things might improve with the second episode. |
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| I liked the episode. Different start than the OVA, but I hope they still do the mall scene, since a lot of character development happened there. The animation is also really good, I found. I didn't mind the OP, ED was meh. In regards to the subs, there were quite a few mistakes such as missing words, misspelling, and duplicate words. Will be waiting for a better sub group to archive with. |
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| I really enjoyed this ^^ |
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Quanta said: Not bad, but not really anything special either, but maybe that is just an artifact of they way they chose to introduce the show. I don't feel any empathy for the characters at the moment but I'm guessing things might improve with the second episode. ^ my thoughts exactly |
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| The first thing that struck me about this episode was the music... ugh. Absolutely atrocious and unintentionally hilarious for the most part due to how melodramatic it is. The animation quality is pretty good, but the art direction is extremely average, as is the character design (I like Ein's design, though). Tthe plot is full of corny cliches that makes it hard to take seriously (Main protagonist with no memories? Soulless assassin girl? Evil organization with mysterious plans? Where have I seen this before?) That said, I'm interested enough to keep watching for two reasons. One is that I've heard the VN improves exponentially. The other is that regardless of the flaws... this anime STILL looks to have infinitely more potential than anything else that is currently airing. K-ON! and Queen's Blade don't really strike me as winners. |
| To be honest I wasn't expecting too much from this show but after the first episode I'm quite pleased with this. The animation was great, the music in the background was pretty well done, and there's some interesting characters. The whole characters not knowing who they are or what their doing isn't anything knew but I'll be sticking with this for sure. |
| Naaah, somehow this felt pretty boring :/ I had my hopes up for this too but ... Opening was pretty interesting and Ali Project made ending so I'm happy ♥ Ein was interesting character but Swei annoyed me :'D But maybe this is just this "first episode -- later ones will be better" anime ? Hopefully 'cause I wanna see one more serious anime this spring. |
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| It was ok, although most of the character desgins were really flat and boring...but at least the bgm was nice. Uhm, and lol, if you use german numbers as names, at least use them correctly...."Ein" XD. Also, some of the Desire subs translations felt pretty off to me. Edit: Grrrr, typos |
yakisobapanApr 3, 2009 2:28 PM
| This show reminds me a lot of Noir and it's not just the fact that there's a girl with a gun. Here we have two cold-hearted assassins with code names too, who don't know much about their past, the villains seem to be a bunch of all powerful mafia lords. Gun fights have the same pace and choreography and the atmosphere in the two shows are very similar. Somehow I get the same feeling watching either one. Even the music in this would fit pretty well Noir. (Maybe I should be writing an anime recommendation right now ^^) Ein(s) also looks, talks, and acts a lot like Kirika: Anyway, animation seems excellent in this show but I wonder if they can keep this up. Right now the plot seems pretty stereotyped but only one episode has aired and we don't really know much yet. I'll definitely watch a few more episodes of Phantom before deciding to continue or not. (Besides Ein(s) is a sniper. I can't drop a show with an awesome female sniper. :P) Btw, is it me or does the music starting at 0:30 sound a lot like a remix of Burly Brawl from the Matrix trilogy? Charliehsv said: and lol, if you use german numbers at names, at least use them correctly...."Ein" XD. Yeah, I hate it when Japanese animes use foreign names in the show just because it sounds cool, without doing a damn effort to spell it right at least. |
AlexstratzApr 3, 2009 12:56 PM
Charliehsv said: Also, some of Desire subs translations felt pretty off to me. They were definitely off sometimes. |
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| I don't normally watch shows like this, so I have to background to compare it to. Personally, I loved it. Looks to be pretty good, love the BG music and the animation quality. This actually reminded me of the english movie "No Country for Old Men", very slow, yet incredibly intense and exciting. |
| Compared to the disaster of Blade of the Immortal last year this looks like a winner in my book. The animation is probably the best I've ever seen out of Bee Train including the special effects and CG Work (other than the helicopter explosion which no one seems to care lol). I'd have to disagree with most of you about the character designs and art direction. The designs are very nice in my book. The music is exceptional and probably even better than Hikaru's work on Chrono Crusade. I loved the opening theme, which had a real melancholy tune, it was quite lovely, the ending however was pretty average for Ali Project and a downright mediocre tune, completely discontent wildly arranged and outrageously sharp. It is rather fast paced compared to the other GwG (Granted this isn't technically an installment in the trilogy) I'm going to assume Masayuki Kurosawa is the editor on this, (He's done all of BT's editing since LIMINALITY) and he did a very good job IMO (or whomever edited). Though despite the fast I didn't get lost like I did when I was watching Blade, so a much better story structure and scripting from Kuroda and company. Admits some of the cliches and obscure GwG references. Mashimo's direction has much of his trademarked styles but still good. Not nearly as slow as say Noir or Madlax Though I do wonder if the music we heard at the shoot-em-up scene will be the signature piece will will hear (ala Nowhere, A Song of Storm and Fire etc.) I was expecting it would be the music from the trailer but guess not. |
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ChinesePanda said: Show some evidence. Just some senteces collected which I think are off in the English translation based off the heard Japanese text. Mind you that the alterntive English translation is just my opinion, I'm not saying that it's the one and only correct answer! Desire: We found the location of our next target, Frank Cloud. (It's spoken by two different characters) Japanese: "Tsugi no tarugeto wa?" "Frank Cloud, youyaku tsukitomeru ga dekita." My opinion: "The next target?" "Frank Coud, we finally found his location." Desire: Gentlemen, allow me to show you. Japanese: "Shokun, kore kara da." My opinion: "Gentleman, it's just the beginning." Desire: Our new world order. Thanks to Inferno. Thank you. Japanese: "Wareware no te de... jidai wo tsukuru... Inferno no jidai yo... tsukuru" My opinion: "With our hands we make... a new era... the era of Inferno... we'll make it." Desire: Ein and Zwei... put some effort forth for them Japanese: "Ein ni Zwei... oshiego no namae gurai mousukoshi kangaitara dou da?" My opinion: "Ein and Zwei... how about thinking a it more about your pupils names?" Desire: We puppets don belong anywhere. Japanese: "Doko ni mo sonzai dekinai borei." My opinion: "Empty shells that belong nowhere" (although here I agree that the puppet metaphor sounds better) Desire: Don't think that way, Phantom. Japanese: "Dare de mo nai, Phantom." My opinion: "Nobodies, just Phantom." There are other senteces that feel a bit off too, but didn't had time to rewatch the whole ep. So yeah, Deisre fansub in my opinion has mistakes in the translation, BUT Phantom got subbed shortly after the raw release, and for a speedsub it was decent. |
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| can anyone tell me if there's going to be any romance in this? If there's not, I don't want to bother since it seems iffy as it is, but I'd be more interested if there was a romantic underlying theme between the two mains. |
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| This was very nice! I'm already a fan of Koichi Mashimo / Bee Train's girls-with-guns trilogy -- Madlax, Noir, and El Cazador de la Bruja -- so it's not surprising that I'm liking this. Gunslinger Girl, which someone else mentioned, is also a favorite of mine. Outside of anime, Luc Besson's Nikita and Leon, the television show Alias, the Bourne Trilogy, etc. are all great too. I'm kind of lol'ing at the comments taking issue with starting in medias res, using amnesiac protagonists, and the presence of a controlling organization enhancing or doing experiments with them. These are staples of the genre (and the first is a staple of narrative at large), so you're kind of missing the boat if you're watching this and disliking these elements. The interesting part, as usual, will be how the subsequent story develops. Atmosphere also plays a huge role in shows like this. I was pleased to have a male and female assassin pairing here, considering I haven't seen enough shows where that is done -- the corresponding potential for some heterosexual romance (for once) is also nice. BTW, thank you, ChinesePanda and Desire, for translating and subbing. |
chicanerousApr 3, 2009 4:49 PM
mcjazzman32 said: can anyone tell me if there's going to be any romance in this? If there's not, I don't want to bother since it seems iffy as it is, but I'd be more interested if there was a romantic underlying theme between the two mains. The VN had two paths, one focusing mainly on romance and the other focusing mainly on the overarching plot, I'm guessing Bee Train will try to combine the two but mostly focus on the latter. |
| First ep, wasn't too shabby, was pretty good so far. Hope it improves ~ Giving off abit of a Madlax feel for me, than again...it's from beetrain so... ~ With the top assassin thing going on . |
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| Pretty good episode, I'm going to stick to it. |
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| This was good... for a BeeTrain adaptation. I'm pretty satisfied with the first episode and hope that it'll get better as it goes. The music felt slightly overdramatic at some points, but still okay. I like the OP very much, and I'll probably get used to Ali Project's ED, as I always eventually do. Maybe this time BeeTrain+Koichi Mashimo will actually make me think better of them, but I won't keep my hopes up too high for now. |
KantarouApr 3, 2009 7:20 PM
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| For not expecting much, I was pretty impressed. I'll keep with it for a few more episodes to decide and since Zwei reminds me of good old Sagara Sousuke other than the personality factor, it wouldn't hurt to see more of him. I actually really liked the ED also. Gave a psychologically strange and SHAFT-y feeling. |
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| It was okay, but i'm continue watching it cause of the art. :s |
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| hmm The first episode hasn't really hooked me to the show just yet. I hope it doesn't turn out to be like one of those animes that have a stereotypical storyline. I can kind of guess how it's going to continue but I'm hoping I'm wrong. Won't judge the show just yet - looking forward to the next ep. Ein kind of annoys me already - always zoning out and staring at Zwei and talking to herself - but maybe I'm judging too fast. There's a lot of repeating of the key phrase "if i don't want to be killed i have to kill." o.o we're gona see a lot of killing~ o.o/ lol Zwei seems interesting and I'm ONLY gona give the show a second chance cuz he was shirtless in the first ep! lol jk jk jk I watched the Desire subbed version and i had a feeling as though some of it wasn't translated, like phrases were missing or something, 'cause there were words and phrases in japanese that i knew but which didn't come up in the subtitle. but maybe it was just me. opening and ending, i didn't like much either. The scenes were good - as tamaki mentioned, less show more artistic - but the music didn't quite hit it. anyways im gona shut up now nd wait for the next ep xD |
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| Not very impressed by the first episode. There just seems to be something missing. The animation is good but you can't compare a good anime with just great animation. There needs to be a plot development within the next few episodes to make it at least decent. Probably after the third episode I will know to stick with it or not. |
| I liked the episode nice animation and music I will watch more |
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| This episode was decent. I think I'll go on watching. And I totally fell in love with the opening theme. *_* |
| Really confusing first episode, but. The animation was awesome. Let's see where it takes us... |
| I liked it. I thought the first episode was interesting enough to make me keep watching the show. I'm interested in knowing more about the characters and the organization aims. The presentation was great as well as the sound effects. I like the melodramatic feel of the atmopshere. It added depth rather than just random shooting sequences. I get a feeling, this will turn into a Bonie and Clyd anime. |
| Wow. Well...I stumbled across this, and it certainly caught my attention all the way through. Looks like a dramatic treat ^^ |
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| I believe it has potential, as long as some other fansub group does it. I don't mind watching raws instead, I use the subs for some technical terms and such, but what Desire did in this episode was far from even being decent, their translation could actually be considered misleading and simply false. On another note, I haven't quite been able to grasp why on earth anyone would care the least about the OP/ED, I mean, would you drop an anime 'cause the Opening or ending themes ain't satisfactory? Surely, having a neat OP adds a tiny bit to the feeling, but why does 90% of these discussions contain "good op/ed", "bad op/ed"? ;| |
| Having watched the OP/ED (Death Note FTW) prior to the episode itself, I was a bit disappointed – but luckily, all the hard feelings for this new Bee Train vanished as I watched the very episode. It was better than I imagined it would be. Camera angles, music, voice acting and direction (the way Ein and Zwei’s fight ended was a bit silly, though). I’m definitely looking forward to the next episodes. Technically speaking, the animation and CGs were handled nicely (CGs reminded me of Madlax). It’s also *real* high definition and it looks that way (1440×810 letterboxed). On the other hand, the speedsub from Desire is a *real* speedsub and it feels that way (I don’t mind some spelling and timing, but the translation is oh-so-blatantly off at times). |
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