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Alfonse said: Should not have asked this question. I should have known that I would've gotten a plethora of sub elitism comments bashing dubs and/or Funimation in general; this is the anime fanbase after all, and on MAL, no less. Now this thread has essentially turned to a sub/dub war. Where is the war? Liking subbed anime is not elitism I wish people wouldn't make such sweeping generalizations. The basic fact is the Japanese side has way more money and more people trying to do it, you are literally a celebrity as a top VA in Japan, here no-one even knows them except a few otaku. I'll quote myself again. ReasonDesu said: I'm not really trying to be elitist, I have no problem with dubs existing for the people who want to watch them, for me I wouldn't even consider it though. That's my choice just as you have the choice to watch dubs. I'd prefer not to be stigmatized and called an elitist for that thank you. |
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ReasonDesu said: Alfonse said: Should not have asked this question. I should have known that I would've gotten a plethora of sub elitism comments bashing dubs and/or Funimation in general; this is the anime fanbase after all, and on MAL, no less. Now this thread has essentially turned to a sub/dub war. Where is the war? Liking subbed anime is not elitism I wish people wouldn't make such sweeping generalizations. The basic fact is the Japanese side has way more money and more people trying to do it, you are literally a celebrity as a top VA in Japan, here no-one even knows them except a few otaku. I'll quote myself again. ReasonDesu said: I'm not really trying to be elitist, I have no problem with dubs existing for the people who want to watch them, for me I wouldn't even consider it though. That's my choice just as you have the choice to watch dubs. I'd prefer not to be stigmatized and called an elitist for that thank you. Liking subs is fun, but outright discrediting and attacking dubs in general based on just a couple of shows is not. It not only insults the company, but the fans of that company, as well who buy their products and help support them. And, yes I agree that the Japanese have more money and people, but that doesn't mean that a non-Japanese dubbed anime is automatically inferior/bad. I wasn't talking about you. I saw your comment; but there are some on this thread that exaggerate about how "horribly" dubbed anime are. |
Alfonse said: What ReasonDesu said, liking subbed anime is not elitism. That sounds like an inferiority complex you have going on.Should not have asked this question. I should have known that I would've gotten a plethora of sub elitism comments bashing dubs and/or Funimation in general; this is the anime fanbase after all, and on MAL, no less. Now this thread has essentially turned to a sub/dub war. Alfonse said: Or it's not that we forget, it's that we just don't watch them. The Japanese dub of those were just fine and came out way earlier, no reason to go back. Actually most people on here have seen dozens of dubs, usually from being a kid and young teen. I even noticed how awkward an American dub VA sounded when he was screaming and how old people are really played by 20 year olds pretending when I was like 12.People who bash Funimation, are we forgetting their work on FMA, FMA Brotherhood, Baccano, Darker than Black, Black Butler, DB Kai, Mushishi, One Piece, and many others, anime that were dubbed perfectly? Or are we just basing our judgement from one or two dubbed anime we saw? Because I just do not understand the elitism. Alfonse said: You're not forced to, you choose to. I am forced to watch some anime subbed since the dubs aren't out, yet, such as Attack on Titan, but if there was a dub available, I'd watch that right way. And like Thang said, dubs give anime recognition, thus allowing the companies to earn more and make more anime. So how exactly are dubs bad? Not only that, without speaking the language, how can the majority of you even judge the voice acting of a series? Dubs are bad because they sound bad. The recognition they get series is a different thing. Now hold on, it doesn't allow Japanese companies to make and earn more anime. It helps American companies, and if I don't watch dubs then that doesn't help me at all, besides from being able to buy the series without having to import. This is the most cliche argument against sub watchers. You don't understand so how can you know. Do you know any anime where you think the dub is better than the original? By your logic that's impossible to know because you don't know how good the sub is. All actors read from a script, so you don't judge them by if they say all the words or how close the translation is to the Japanese(that's the job of the writers). It's by the emotion you can hear from their voice and the flow, also matching it to the character. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Alfonse said: What ReasonDesu said, liking subbed anime is not elitism. That sounds like an inferiority complex you have going on.Should not have asked this question. I should have known that I would've gotten a plethora of sub elitism comments bashing dubs and/or Funimation in general; this is the anime fanbase after all, and on MAL, no less. Now this thread has essentially turned to a sub/dub war. Alfonse said: Or it's not that we forget, it's that we just don't watch them. The Japanese dub of those were just fine and came out way earlier, no reason to go back. Actually most people on here have seen dozens of dubs, usually from being a kid and young teen. I even noticed how awkward an American dub VA sounded when he was screaming and how old people are really played by 20 year olds pretending when I was like 12.People who bash Funimation, are we forgetting their work on FMA, FMA Brotherhood, Baccano, Darker than Black, Black Butler, DB Kai, Mushishi, One Piece, and many others, anime that were dubbed perfectly? Or are we just basing our judgement from one or two dubbed anime we saw? Because I just do not understand the elitism. Alfonse said: You're not forced to, you choose to. I am forced to watch some anime subbed since the dubs aren't out, yet, such as Attack on Titan, but if there was a dub available, I'd watch that right way. And like Thang said, dubs give anime recognition, thus allowing the companies to earn more and make more anime. So how exactly are dubs bad? Not only that, without speaking the language, how can the majority of you even judge the voice acting of a series? Dubs are bad because they sound bad. The recognition they get series is a different thing. Now hold on, it doesn't allow Japanese companies to make and earn more anime. It helps American companies, and if I don't watch dubs then that doesn't help me at all, besides from being able to buy the series without having to import. This is the most cliche argument against sub watchers. You don't understand so how can you know. Do you know any anime where you think the dub is better than the original? By your logic that's imposssible to know because you don't know how good the sub is. All actors read from a script, so you don't judge them by how well their pronounciation and if they say all the words. It's by the emotion you can hear from their voice and the flow, also matching it to the character. And like I said, liking subbed anime is fine, more power to you. But attacking something in which you have not experienced much of does not make it true. Like you said the anime most sub-watchers have seen dubbed were in their early teens/kid years. How can you just assume that type of voice acting is the norm nowadays? Voice acting has improved exponentially over the years. Alright wrong word, I'll agree. "Dubs are bad because they sound bad." I love how you state that as something that's universally agreed upon. While I have encountered some dubs with dull voice acting, those were few and far between. Many dubs I have seen really give life to the character, and give a sense of variety to them as they each sound different. Japanese voice acting for each character sounds too samey, so much so that it's difficult to tell who is speaking. By earn more, I meant they receive more of an audience. Dubbed anime allows audiences from other parts of the world to become interested in Japanese culture and animation, and therefore watch more of their product, thus giving Japan the incentive to produce more. If pronunciation is wrong and if what they say makes no sense, then how is that good voice acting? A sub may be able to translate a sentence being spoken better, but that doesn't mean the seiyuu didn't mess up the line. Voice acting is more than just how much emotion is being heard. And how do you know if the emotion you hear from the voices isn't over-exaggerated, or under-exaggerated? It's not as easy to judge Japanese voice acting to people who aren't familiar with the language. I honestly believe that Attack on Titan can be given a good dub by Funimation based on their previous work. They just need to choose the right voice actor for each character, and based on their previous works, I think that should not be a problem for them. |
AlfonseJun 10, 2013 11:06 AM
| Dubs...barf. |
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| I want it to get dubbed because it'd be friggin' sweet to see Shingeki no Kyojin at my local Best Buy. Kids will buy it. |
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| Though scarce, I'd say that there are a few Western VAs that can get into character just as well as any Japanese VA. Not to mention if they're doing it for less recognition, then not only does that mean that there'll be less talented VAs in the western business, it also means that the ones who do put their all into their roles are genuinely passionate about it. |
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| While I personally don't care about English dubs at all (only a few good ones), I am happy that Funimation is releasing the dub so I can watch SnK with two of my friends. I have recently gotten them into anime but they refuse to watch anime unless it is in English. For some reason a lot of people think it is to much work to read subtitles and watch the anime. GodlyKyon said: Im waiting for the German dubs That will be awesome. |
| Nope, not waiting. English or any other language dubs are by far no match for the original japanese language. Why spoil the fun with that non-emotional english voice acting? |
| HELL. NO. |
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| LMAO, HELL NO. Dubs are just plain horrible now. Sub>Dub |
| I honestly don't get why people hate dubs so much. Most of you speak English! You don't understand Japanese so you can't judge shit! You just assume it's better. There are lots of good dubs. Death Note, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, FMA, Code Geass, Durarara, Inuyasha, One Piece, Naruto (believe it!), and etc. And Attack on Titan is full of white people! Them speaking Japanese is just wrong... somehow. I've already up to date on the manga, I'm gonna wait until the dub to watch the anime. |
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| Erm no thanks I prefer my subs over dubs |
| Yeah I really want them to dub it so I can show my friends/family who wouldn't watch the subs. I wouldn't watch it dubbed since I have already started it in subs so I have no reason to. |
| Nope dub usually suck. :/ |
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| Last I recall the anime is only licensed for simulcasting - not for retail distribution. So at this point no dub is even planned because nobody owns the rights to make one. |
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| Don't have too many problems with dubs, but I just watch subs because "its crazy stuff happening on tele, but its japanese, so its 'kay" reasons. |
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| Uhh no. I do also have people I want to show this to, but their attention span is too short to have them watch subbed content. Dubs are convenient for this reason People hate on dubs overall, but not all dubs are even bad. Just that the people hating got used to subs and can't deal with anything sounding different. Same shit as those whiny Manga readers complaining whenever Anime adaptations are given some slight alterations or have missing panels, even though it's obvious not every little thing will be carried over |
| Hell to the no |
| I'd watch it if it aired on Toonami though. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-05-19/funimation-plans-attack-on-titan-on-home-video-in-2014Last I recall the anime is only licensed for simulcasting - not for retail distribution. So at this point no dub is even planned because nobody owns the rights to make one. Well, you're wrong on that account. Attack on Titan will get a dub for sure, it's just a matter of when. Like some other series, I will wait for the dub for two reasons: because I want to watch it dubbed, and to wait for the hype to die down. |
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| And thus, with the creation of this thread, so falls into the place do the ignorant. <- Aion, 18/09/2013 Only either a fool or someone typing of what they know not could mock dubs. Brotherhood's is at least equal with the JP audio, for instance (try comparing Roy-motherfucking-Mustang, please). Want another popular example? Death Note. Even taking into consideration that Light's JP voice acting ranks as my #1, it's still great across the board. As a general rule of thumb, Funimation releases have above average to superb dubs. And guess who's going to release Shingeki in 2014?... Yeah. They'd have trouble bettering Mikasa and Levi's voices but Armin could be improved HUGELY by not sounding like a fucking woman because he's voiced by one. Always helps. ...Anyway, I'm eagerly awaiting the English Blu-ray releases. Yes. For one thing there's a shitload of art touch-ups/fixes. That's worth a re-watch alone. And being able to hear the series in my own lingo, with Mikasa getting another voice I'll be able to ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND, is a good enough reason to get my cock out. Yes. |
| This is one show i'd think could work better in English. |
| Dubs are pure shit man , start watching anime in english subbed version as soon as you can...ORIGINALITY ROCKS !!! |
Persius said: Dubs are pure shit man , start watching anime in english subbed version as soon as you can...ORIGINALITY ROCKS !!! Don't let Majinsaga see that! He'll chew you out. |
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| I only like dubs when they do comedies like Hetalia, School Rumble and Azumanga Diaoh. Most of the jokes I get because of it; the delivery and timing of the set up then punchline are well received. I don't like dubs when they do action. Lackluster acting; English dubbers go : "Ahhh!!" Like pinching yourself pain. JP seiryus go : "AAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!" Like peeling your burning skin pain. |
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Alfonse said: And if so, when do you think they will do it? Should Vic Mignona play Eren? Usually, it takes a long while for an English release. Maybe 2+ years.. Also, to answer your question, I prefer to watch this anime in sub. I can't imagine hearing the characters in English. |
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Goremonger said: I wouldn't watch it dubbed since I have already started it in subs so I have no reason to. I'm the same way. If I watch something the first time in sub or dub, I can't do the opposite. It won't be the same, especially not with this one. |
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| Nope. The only dubbed anime that's beter than original japanese is pokemon. |
demonkurama said: Nope. The only dubbed anime that's beter than original japanese is pokemon. Black Lagoon for sure. |
AironicallyHuman said: [...]...Anyway, I'm eagerly awaiting the English Blu-ray releases. Yes. For one thing there's a shitload of art touch-ups/fixes. That's worth a re-watch alone. WalkingMisery said: I honestly don't get why people hate dubs so much. Most of you speak English! You don't understand Japanese so you can't judge shit! You just assume it's better. [...] I usually don't watch dub after I have already seen something in another language, but if I adore the series I will give it a try and well, if I don't like it there's always the option to laugh with the weird voices(?), like I did with No.6 dub version orz english dub can't be worse than spanish,catalan or french dubs, that's for sure *shiver* |
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| Na. I don't like watching dubs. I started watching subbed anime from the start so whenever I listen to dub I find it weird for some reason. |
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| A lot of sub elitists in this thread. Yeah I'll watch it. Why not? I'm not a sub elitist. |
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Narukami07 said: demonkurama said: Nope. The only dubbed anime that's beter than original japanese is pokemon. Wow. Ever watched FMA dubbed for a change? I first watched Fullmetal Alchemist dubbed and loved it. Then, I watched it again subbed and I still loved it. Finally, I tried to watch it in English again and I couldn't stand it. After experiencing the japanese voices going back was impossible for me. Anyway, on topic I'm not personally interested in the dub, but this will definitely boost the already huge popularity if SnK so it's definitely welcome. |
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| I can't really be excited about a dub until I at least see the cast. That being said, Funi usually treats popular series with care...usually. So I'm definitely interested in how the dub will turn out, and really I'll buy it either way. It just ended though, so it'll probably be a while before we actually hear anything about a dub... |
| From what I've seen, Funi has released a LOT of good dubs, and it'll be surprising if the dub for Snk is unwatchable, especially considering the hype around it. And I haven't even watched SnK lol. |
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| In my opinion, I think dubs should only be watched by people who have trouble reading, or find reading and watching absolutely impossible. I was always told when I was growing up that everything foreign should be watched in its entirety. I think the last dubbed anime I liked was Full Metal Alchemist. I'll watch an episode of SnK dubbed out of curiosity, don't really see my self enjoying it though. English voice actors tend to try too hard or don't try at all when delivering really emotional lines. I just want to hear Erens voice really. |
| I tried watching Death Note dubbed, they just butchered the series... I dont think there's an anime to date where the dubbed version has been better, or even at par with the original, and I don't expect Snk to be any different, |
ikazuuyr said: I tried watching Death Note dubbed, they just butchered the series... I dont think there's an anime to date where the dubbed version has been better, or even at par with the original, and I don't expect Snk to be any different, *cough* Baccano, Cowboy Bebop, Steins Gate, Code Geass *cough* Uh, yeah. I totally agree. |
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ikazuuyr said: I tried watching Death Note dubbed, they just butchered the series... I dont think there's an anime to date where the dubbed version has been better, or even at par with the original, and I don't expect Snk to be any different, I thought the Death Note dub was widely considered to be better then the sub. Anyways, you have obviously never seen Baccano dubbed. |
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LevailRenn said: ikazuuyr said: I tried watching Death Note dubbed, they just butchered the series... I dont think there's an anime to date where the dubbed version has been better, or even at par with the original, and I don't expect Snk to be any different, I thought the Death Note dub was widely considered to be better then the sub. Anyways, you have obviously never seen Baccano dubbed. Agreed. I loved L's VA in english. LOL I used to be a dub hater. Then I watched the dub of Baccano. Boom. Thank you J Micheal Tatum, Todd Haberkorn, Chris Patton, and...screw it, the ENTIRE cast of Baccano. |
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StillSwingin007 said: Agreed. I loved L's VA in english. LOL I used to be a dub hater. Then I watched the dub of Baccano. Boom. Thank you J Micheal Tatum, Todd Haberkorn, Chris Patton, and...screw it, the ENTIRE cast of Baccano. Graham stole the show every time he appeared. Chris Patton did some of the best dub work I've heard to date I could listen to this all day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_4EUmOGX90 |
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