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Jun 4, 2013 11:42 AM

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-Jinsei- said:
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I was gonna enjoy this episode, but then HxH 82 came out, and my standards skyrocketed.


^ This. The animation quality of this episode compared to the latest HxH episode is almost painful to watch. Toei animation seriously needs to step their game up in terms of production standards.


Not that I disagree that the animation and the production looks like crap in One Piece right now, but you guys are comparing shows that have a difference of 516 episodes.


This is what I would usually think but HxH is not a short series, it's 82 episodes in and Madhouse still manages to keep the production quality high. Like Dolan-chan said, it increased my standards for how a long-running series should look.
82 =/= 600 , come back in over 500 episodes.
 
Jun 4, 2013 11:46 AM

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The quality is excellent but try to imagine madhouse doing a series with more than 200 episodes.
 
Jun 4, 2013 11:51 AM

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ainky said:
The quality is excellent but try to imagine madhouse doing a series with more than 200 episodes.
They've also had an abundance of material and now how fast they want to go and probably where they want to stop.
 
Jun 4, 2013 12:17 PM

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ainky said:
and it's even a remake...


Madhouse is covering material from the manga at the moment that hasn't been adapted before and it still looks awesome.

IntroverTurtle said:
82 =/= 600 , come back in over 500 episodes.


ainky said:
The quality is excellent but try to imagine madhouse doing a series with more than 200 episodes.


We'll have to wait and see but for a series with 82 episodes aired, so far it looks promising. I can't think of any series that went beyond 24 episodes that had the same animation quality as HxH. It's unprecedented.
 
Jun 4, 2013 1:18 PM

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-Jinsei- said:
We'll have to wait and see but for a series with 82 episodes aired, so far it looks promising. I can't think of any series that went beyond 24 episodes that had the same animation quality as HxH. It's unprecedented.
I'm not going to try and name any off the top of my head, but it's definitely not unprecedented.
 
Jun 4, 2013 2:20 PM

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-Jinsei- said:
We'll have to wait and see but for a series with 82 episodes aired, so far it looks promising. I can't think of any series that went beyond 24 episodes that had the same animation quality as HxH. It's unprecedented.

Unfortunately, Madhouse never made a series with more than 120 episodes, I don't have much hope that they can cover more than this, however, I would really like to see at least 150 episodes with the current quality. Let's see.
 
Jun 4, 2013 4:22 PM
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82 =/= 600 , come back in over 500 episodes.


Or go back 600 episodes and realize the animation was still crap back then.


Or realize that Madhouse is simultaneously AND continuously over and over give out great anime which is weigh more impressive than your claim that length is somehow an impressive feat.


@Josl, you don't say? I know they are focusing on other things, but have some work ethics, or at least do a decent job, or how about not wasting money on episode of whoever specials?


The consistency is proof enough that they can do it for however long. Another thing is that as the episodes advance the animation is even improving further. Now even fodder fights get amazing quality that are even better than season-long anime.
 
Jun 4, 2013 4:32 PM

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Dolan-chan said:
82 =/= 600 , come back in over 500 episodes.


Or go back 600 episodes and realize the animation was still crap back then.



wasn't crap, but realize you are going far back in time and need to adjust your animation quality average there.
 
Jun 4, 2013 4:38 PM

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Dolan-chan said:
82 =/= 600 , come back in over 500 episodes.


Or go back 600 episodes and realize the animation was still crap back then.


Or realize that Madhouse is simultaneously AND continuously over and over give out great anime which is weigh more impressive than your claim that length is somehow an impressive feat.
That was also 14 years ago, nice comparison, not really.

I never said that it was an impressive feat, I was responding to another person's certain quote. And I meant that HxH isn't much of a longrunner when seen next to a 600 episode anime that's been airing for over 10 years.
 
Jun 4, 2013 4:53 PM
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That was also 14 years ago, nice comparison, not really.


The animation then still sucked for the animation standards then. Nice excuse, not really.

that's been airing for over 10 years.


One that's been reaping the revenues of 10 years as well.

The length still doesn't matter. It's all relative. And One Piece has many reasons that say it should be better, more than one excuse; length.

Naruto, while extremely inconsistent, still has better animation episodes in numbers, so did Bleach. For over 500 and 366 episodes respectively.

HxH doesn't seem to have an excuse in having 82 episodes than 13-episode anime? Instead MH just sets higher standards and does it better.

Once again I remind you the huge difference in popularity between them in both manga and anime. It's all about standards. Toei's have gone down to s***
 
Jun 5, 2013 1:35 PM

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Nami/Sanji eyes > Nami eyes

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Jun 5, 2013 1:48 PM

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Nami/Sanji eyes > Nami eyes


I beg to differ. Nami's eyes have never looked as gorgeous as they did in the fifth opening:


(too bad I can't find the specific pics)

But from a general point of view, yep, it's an improvement. Well, it's actually one of the few times they care to emphasize on the eye colour of the character.
 
Jun 5, 2013 2:39 PM

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First 1/5 in a while.... 3/4 episode was Sanji swimming and slimes merging, sooooo slooooow o_O I'd rather have good filler arc instead of this every manga arc
 
Jun 6, 2013 4:15 AM
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Pretty okay episode, but really slow; hopefully it picks up.
 
Jun 7, 2013 4:53 PM
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..and so Zoro found a buddy hehehe I hope he learns how to cut fire too :) and I hope he gets to open his eye at least once in the next arc... I believe he got some hidden power there =3
 
Jun 9, 2013 3:42 AM

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Proof is how Magi is just as bad an adaptation as OP, even being much shorter.

The fact that Magi's adaptation is bad there is nothing to do with OP, they are 2 things completely different.

Dolan-chan, you can't do that you know.. Magi isn't bad at it's animation, it's bad at it's direction, while One Piece is very bad at it's animation and pacing. Animation =/= Adaption

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It shows that length doesn't save you from a horrible adaptation nor does it help you make a good one. Not that it matters because as I said, they should have prepared a much bigger budget in the first place.

It's because of people like us that don't pay to watch, which is the results of this POS animation..
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82 =/= 600 , come back in over 500 episodes.


Or go back 600 episodes and realize the animation was still crap back then.


Or realize that Madhouse is simultaneously AND continuously over and over give out great anime which is weigh more impressive than your claim that length is somehow an impressive feat.


@Josl, you don't say? I know they are focusing on other things, but have some work ethics, or at least do a decent job, or how about not wasting money on episode of whoever specials?


The consistency is proof enough that they can do it for however long. Another thing is that as the episodes advance the animation is even improving further. Now even fodder fights get amazing quality that are even better than season-long anime.

It wasn't crap back then, it was average, but it wasn't that bad, right? The animation quality standard nowadays are higher than your average, while I agree it has very poor pacing and animation, but it's length should be taken into consideration too. Do you know how much you can save with this poor animation quality, for 600 episodes?
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It shows that length doesn't save you from a horrible adaptation nor does it help you make a good one. Not that it matters because as I said, they should have prepared a much bigger budget in the first place.

Every long running series like OP have quality issues. Studios cheapen on some episodes and make one episode every once in a while look good. The costs are too high compared to other minor shows, then it is not worth to invest on every single episode.

In general, one regular episode of any series costs about $145,000 USD, instead of OP that coast near to $125,000 USD.

20k USD per episode. 600 x 20k USD = ?

That's how much you can save, because One Piece is popular enough now. It doesn't need quality animation to hook in new readers for the manga, so I bet they would rather save up those money -.- because we aren't paying for the DVD/Blu-Ray -.-
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First 1/5 in a while.... 3/4 episode was Sanji swimming and slimes merging, sooooo slooooow o_O I'd rather have good filler arc instead of this every manga arc

True, and the flashbacks made it worse.. Those repeating C.C.'s scenes, and SH's captured scenes.. Heck pretty much nothing else happening in this episode except for the Zoro/Brook's part. The whole episode can be summarized in 5minutes, while they prolonged it to 20minutes -.-
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Jun 9, 2013 8:44 AM

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An OK episode.. nothing really happened though.

Still looking forward to what happens next..
 
Jun 16, 2013 12:39 PM

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I had a feeling the Samurai was gonna be badass, would be cool to see a fight between him and Zoro.
 
Jun 24, 2013 9:58 AM

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Good episode!!!

Vergo makes his official debut and Law fears him and is confused why he is on Punk Hazard. I enjoyed Brook's attempt to attack Smiley and his reaction is funny as usual. Sanji seems to be able to use his Kenbunshoku Haki even though he is in Nami's body. At last the Samurai has revealed his true strength after getting his torso back and I have to say that this was a nice adaption from the manga.

Looking forward to the next episode!!

5/5



 
Jul 4, 2013 1:44 PM

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The pacing was very slow in this episode. The only significant events were Virgo showing up and Kin'emon getting his body back.
 
Jul 4, 2013 6:55 PM

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neo_valkyrie said:
-Jinsei- said:
Dolan-chan said:
I was gonna enjoy this episode, but then HxH 82 came out, and my standards skyrocketed.


^ This. The animation quality of this episode compared to the latest HxH episode is almost painful to watch. Toei animation seriously needs to step their game up in terms of production standards. Can anyone please tell me the name of the BGM when Kinemon is introduced?

But this is how One Piece animation has always been. It would be nice if we got animation quality like in Film Z but I know it's not going to happen. :|


The production quality for One Piece during the Thriller bark arc was much better (not hxh good, but better nonetheless) than it is now, which is not far from fairy tail.
 
Sep 8, 2013 10:30 PM
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OK I have to say it now since no one else has. Vergo=Best Mutton Chop Ever!!! LOL
 
Oct 25, 2013 7:05 AM

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Kinemons really tall
 
Dec 24, 2013 9:34 AM

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he got rid of the blob thing pretty fast ..

Behold of my awesomeness~
 
Feb 20, 2014 12:16 PM

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So my question is answered, they do know they are using haki... Sanji having the observation haki is just awesome.
The samurai is really badass, as expected from a real samurai.
 
Jan 28, 2015 9:43 AM

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Well that was a surprise,didn't expect that samurai to be that strong.
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Aug 26, 2015 7:27 AM

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damn man that samurai is strong
 
Jul 25, 2016 10:54 PM

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Zoro's smirk at the end was so H O T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Aug 3, 2016 5:57 AM

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Kin'emon is complete!!!

And Law getting his ass whooped wow
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Nov 22, 2016 9:41 AM

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Kinemon can cut the fire, but all the fires types!!!! Subarashi!!!


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Nov 2, 2017 11:07 AM

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Kinemon is awesome!
 
Nov 18, 2018 5:39 PM

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So Caesar knew that Law helped Luffy defeat the Cool brothers.

I wondered about this, too. There's no way he should already know about this, unless it is revealed or somehow explained later
 
Nov 18, 2018 9:30 PM

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Serhiyko said:
Albi-kun said:
So Caesar knew that Law helped Luffy defeat the Cool brothers.

I wondered about this, too. There's no way he should already know about this, unless it is revealed or somehow explained later


I'm actually caught up now, so I'm not sure what moment confused you. I can clarify it to you without spoiling anything if you want.
 
Jul 2, 2:44 AM

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Why does Vergo have a steak on his cheek
 
Jul 2, 2:45 AM

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OK I have to say it now since no one else has. Vergo=Best Mutton Chop Ever!!! LOL


Oh my God. That's the best thing ever!
 
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Firstly that is actually someone named Vergo who met Law, not Joker. At least assuming Vergo isn’t known by a codename like Joker, but he could technically be both. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one in assuming Monet would be her own agent here, she is actually a secret agent working for Vergo since they couldn't trust Caesar alone. That implies he’s doing some work for them, whoever this faction is. It was said that if Law hurt them he’d be dead already, I begun to wonder if Vergo and Monet work under the emperor Law wants to take down. I wouldn't put any money on it though as my friend did suggest that Doflamingo is a far better guess as he is in the opening after all. Plus, it would explain why everyone collapsed, Doflamingo could choke everyone out with his wires if he’s lurking here, and if that’s the case then it would explain why Caesar’s gas was odorless. We also know Vergo has known Law since he was young and totally speaks down to him, and he has Law’s heart as if Law scalpelled himself. That makes me wonder how that would come about, it feels like an owner and owned situation going on here, like Sagawa and Majima in Yakuza 0. What’s interesting is that it has added yet another faction to be involved in Punk Hazard! He doesn’t trust Caesar and he’s here to do something. That should be cool. It led to two different observations as well. The important one is that Law can survive without his heart and it being handled roughly made him fall over so my theory that Smoker has a heart in his body is bunk. I was under the impression that swapping hearts changed personalities but maybe Law’s really swapping their souls. Less importantly, Vergo’s design is super weird. He has lightning bolt sideburns and what looks like a burger stuck to his face, I guess no one told him it was there!

Chopper made some progression in the lab finding a drug book but with how messy everything is getting him being a wildcard is scary. Normally I’d say it’s not too bad since he can carry his own weight but he’s hurt from Franky handling his body. Still, maybe people will lose track of him and he’ll be a key component to sneaking around and saving the day! Outside the laboratory, we had Caesar do what was expected, sea prism the power users and cage them up inside. That means Smokey and Luffy in prison action which I love but beyond that, the scary thing is that Caesar is going after the kids with drugs. I’ll have faith in Nami(Sanji body) and Usopp but it’s certainly looking grim unless Zoro’s group gets over there soon enough.

Speaking of Zoro’s group, they were the spotlight of the episode! Firstly, this was a wonderful Zoro and Brook episode. I loved seeing Zoro so casual in response to the slimes as Brook freaked out and hid behind him. I loved the fact that Brook tested the poison gas after Zoro had already triggered some and then he warned Zoro over it. Side point, I was weirded out when Brook fell asleep due to the sleeping gas, I didn’t think it’d work on him and here the gas didn’t work. Brook is quite hard to understand as he is a living skeleton but I do think this means he’s a great counter to Caesar! Anyways, more Brook/Zoro stuff, I adored when Zoro was being a total brat and told Brook to eat the slime and picked on him a little as Brook told him not to bully his elders, “sorry, grandpa”. Of course, the amazing “can’t be helped because we couldn’t do anything”, “that’s right” while picking their noses as well.

Alternatively this was a highlight for Kin’emon and Sanji! Sanji barely swam around the poison and had to fight off a shark to get Kin’emon’s body. It made for a fun sequence, I even realized I was holding my breath with him half way through! Just barely getting it back and getting out we got a beautiful “that’s my boy” smirk from Zoro and the utmost appreciation from Kin’emon. This whole time I was thinking that after all this Kin’emon would die for Sanji and it was awesome to see him own up to all the misconceptions he had about Sanji and his crew in the past. Crying and hitting his head on the ground in prostration and thanking Sanji for all he’s done. And through this the Straw Hats have a darn valuable ally. Kine’mon’s first attack when fully formed was to clear out every slime around them with his fire. The casual nature of “I just cut the explosion” was great. And you know you made a good impression when Zoro pays attention to you, Kin’emon’s will may have caught Sanji’s attention, but his samurai skill has caught Zoro’s! Now Zoro may learn a thing or two from him and he’s going with him. I think this should be the first living Wano Samurai he’s met!
 
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