The Flowers of Evil
| Personally I like this anime and I think it is a nice change of pace compared to the more popular ones. For some reason I love the art style/animation and think its nice to see something new, instead of the regular giant eyed stuff. I don't think this anime is "Amazing" or "Outstanding" But is definitely interesting and has kept me watching. Not for everyone though and I respect people's opinions. Except when they just yell out "The animation/ art style is shit!" Instead of saying THEY think its shit. They can't speak for everyone. |
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atmmachine11 said: Personally I like this anime and I think it is a nice change of pace compared to the more popular ones. For some reason I love the art style/animation and think "its nice to see something new", instead of the regular giant eyed stuff. I don't think this anime is "Amazing" or "Outstanding" But is definitely interesting and has kept me watching. Not for everyone though and I respect people's opinions. Except when they just yell out "The animation/ art style is shit!" Instead of saying THEY think its shit. They can't speak for everyone. LOL.. agree with u.. |
| I rated it lower because of the art, just like how people rate anime lower if it has bad characters (which I also happened to deduct points from) and a bad plot. It shouldn't be very surprising. Also, I didn't really think they executed the walk scenes very well, it just feels like they're trying to fill their time slot, so I deducted points for that too. You can't expect me to look at something bad, and be like oh this story is supposed to be very meaningful so I'll overlook this and that, and assume it's a masterpiece. Edit: Ending didn't make it any better. |
ZephysJun 29, 2013 6:14 PM
| The problem is the majority of conformist society rejects anything that isn't built in the generic mold. It also pissed off a lot of the manga readers who wanted Nakamura to be the jailbait she was in the manga. It's down to personal opinion to be fair, I feel this appeals to a more mature audience too, it's not really targeted at your average MAL user. Thus it gets bad scores and negative comments/opinions. |
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Roky89 said: The problem is that people just can't get over art. Or not art for that matter, but only character design. If you look at the show you'll see how detailed the backgrounds, the city, school and landscape are. It's probably representing a contrast - while the characters are deep their design is simple and without detail. On the other hand while the town is deteriorating, boring and dying a slow death it's detailed - you can see every patch of rust on a fance, each lone blade of grass growing out of the pavement and each little bird dropping on a facade. This show is more about the story than having a seizure because of all the flashing colors. More the reason to downvote the anime for the art. They were unable to get much of the audience to notice these details and got them focused on the character's art instead. Besides, I've seen more detailed backgrounds. The story is great, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that points shouldn't be deducted for the poor art. |
ZephysJul 2, 2013 11:41 PM
Kuradachi said: The story is great, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that points shouldn't be deducted for the poor art. Thing is it isn't bad art, that's just your opinion, I'd say it's better art than 90% of what was released this season. |
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ReasonDesu said: Kuradachi said: The story is great, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that points shouldn't be deducted for the poor art. Thing is it isn't bad art, that's just your opinion, I'd say it's better art than 90% of what was released this season. I agree with you. The art is in fact quite realistic and very well done (besides from the fact that the animation sucks, looks like they've barely improved anything after rotoscoping it), and that's probably something people don't like when it comes to anime and manga 'cause it looks kinda boring - not bad. I didn't like the art, but I didn't think it was bad. To me none of the characters look pleasant, attractive and such compared to the "usual manga and anime art". I strongly prefer non-realistic common art (most anime shows) over this when watching or reading an anime or manga, but regarding seinen shows I prefer art similar to this one, but not too realistic. |
RodnessJul 3, 2013 6:55 AM
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ReasonDesu said: Kuradachi said: The story is great, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that points shouldn't be deducted for the poor art. Thing is it isn't bad art, that's just your opinion, I'd say it's better art than 90% of what was released this season. No, it's not just my opinion. Art was one of the major factors in the "low score" since it did stir up a bit of controversy. If you take a look at the thread on episode one, you can see that the art and animation shocked quite a lot of people. Also, there were many moments where faces weren't even drawn in, so I certainly wouldn't have a good opinion about the art. Rodness said: ReasonDesu said: Kuradachi said: The story is great, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that points shouldn't be deducted for the poor art. Thing is it isn't bad art, that's just your opinion, I'd say it's better art than 90% of what was released this season. I agree with you. The art is in fact quite realistic and very well done (besides from the fact that the animation sucks, looks like they've barely improved anything after rotoscoping it), and that's probably something people don't like when it comes to anime and manga 'cause it looks kinda boring - not bad. I didn't like the art, but I didn't think it was bad. To me none of the characters look pleasant, attractive and such compared to the "usual manga and anime art". I strongly prefer non-realistic common art (most anime shows) over this when watching or reading an anime or manga, but regarding seinen shows I prefer art similar to this one, but not too realistic. I actually thought the animation was pretty good. When the characters spoke it really seemed like real people were talking, instead of mouths just moving up and down. I guess that's what happens in rotoscopy. Although the art looked realistic, that doesn't mean that it is a good thing. |
ZephysJul 3, 2013 6:57 PM
sirika said: People complain when the MC is a player like Makoto Itou and then they complain when an MC is a beta like Kasuga. It's like every MC has to be Kirito for you people to be satisfied.It isnt just the art that makes this low score. The art and ost are actually damn amazing, the major problem is the horrible story and this MC king of the beta's. The first episodes are really interesting, but then you just lose all hope that the MC will stop being such little crying baby.. Just so unbearable to watch |
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Kuradachi said: No, it's not just my opinion. Art was one of the major factors in the "low score" since it did stir up a bit of controversy. If you take a look at the thread on episode one, you can see that the art and animation shocked quite a lot of people. Also, there were many moments where faces weren't even drawn in, so I certainly wouldn't have a good opinion about the art. Art by it's very definition is subjective. So yes it is your opinion, just because it's popular opinion doesn't make it fact, even though that's usually how conformism works. |
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ReasonDesu said: Kuradachi said: No, it's not just my opinion. Art was one of the major factors in the "low score" since it did stir up a bit of controversy. If you take a look at the thread on episode one, you can see that the art and animation shocked quite a lot of people. Also, there were many moments where faces weren't even drawn in, so I certainly wouldn't have a good opinion about the art. Art by it's very definition is subjective. So yes it is your opinion, just because it's popular opinion doesn't make it fact, even though that's usually how conformism works. Yes, popular opinion, meaning my opinion and many others'. Well I was just answering the OP's topic question. I'm not really trying to make it a fact that the art is bad, it's just what I thought why the anime had a "low score." Besides, it wouldn't be fair if I didn't take points off for what I thought was weak in the anime just because there are people who thought the art looked nice. |
Kuradachi said: ReasonDesu said: Kuradachi said: No, it's not just my opinion. Art was one of the major factors in the "low score" since it did stir up a bit of controversy. If you take a look at the thread on episode one, you can see that the art and animation shocked quite a lot of people. Also, there were many moments where faces weren't even drawn in, so I certainly wouldn't have a good opinion about the art. Art by it's very definition is subjective. So yes it is your opinion, just because it's popular opinion doesn't make it fact, even though that's usually how conformism works. Yes, popular opinion, meaning my opinion and many others'. Well I was just answering the OP's topic question. I'm not really trying to make it a fact that the art is bad, it's just what I thought why the anime had a "low score." Besides, it wouldn't be fair if I didn't take points off for what I thought was weak in the anime just because there are people who thought the art looked nice. I have to disagree that "all art" is subjective. Within an established medium and style, one can objectively assess the quality of the purely aesthetic elements of art. Most anime draws from one of a handful of common styles, and as a result, the quality of the art can be assessed fairly objectively. The problem with the complaints to Aku no Hana is that they are complaining about the art from a subjective point of a view, since they are mostly complaining about the artistic style of rotoscoping itself instead of assessing the merits of the effort from the more objective view comparing it to other rotoscoped works. If you didn't like the art because it was rotoscoped, its subjective. No quantity of subjective opinions will make it less subjective. However, if you thought the rotoscoping was poorly done, that is more objective. some have commented on the rotoscoping as compared to other rotoscoped works, and I tend to agree with their assessment. As a rotoscoped work, Aku no Hana is a show of highs and lows. When the animators wanted to show a lot of detail and make something truly beautiful, they succeeded. However, they very often were very sloppy with anything they didn't consider essential; backgrounds landscapes and characters most notably. Overall, I think it succeeded in being above average as rotoscoping goes, but I don't think there was a ever a chance that they could achieve the quality that was more reserved for rotoscoped movies (such as A Scanner Darkly or the rotoscoped scenes from The Cowboy Bebop Movie). Personally (and subjectively!), the art was the most compelling reason for me to continue to watch the show. It did an excellent job conveying the "awkward reality" of its subject matter. In particular the eyes and the lips of the main characters were enormously communicative. The story itself, is not all that innovative, in my opinion, and started to decline after "the big payoff" in episode 7. Hence my 5/10 score. |
| ^^ very nice post, I won't quote it to cut down on the walls of text, if everyone had such a well grounded and backed up opinion I would be a happy man. I guess that's expecting a lot though. |
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Sunduck said: just an image ^__^ LOL, that image made me burst out laughing! I'm going to say that low score was because of director's decision to use rotoscoping and alter art style/character appearance from that of the manga in order to try to reflect the story more accurately is a factor for Aku no Hana's relatively low score I guess. I don't really care that much about the scores of other people though, and as such I really enjoy watching this for the story while appreciating the art style which is visually appealing not to mention different from most other anime and able to convey the emotions of the story very well. |
| Yeah, what about rotoscoping, check this out |
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| I for one LOVE the rotoscoping. It feels so...human. |
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Sunduck said: Yeah, what about rotoscoping, check this out Wow! That video was pretty cool. Thanks for sharing. I am really curious what special filming process they used, because the live-action video doesn't look like it was filmed normally. Possibly something to make it easier to rotoscope? I wonder what that would be. TwistedChick said: I for one LOVE the rotoscoping. It feels so...human. This was, in my opinion, the best part of the show, particularly in the early episodes. The rotoscoping captured the really awful awkwardness of the teenage years and puberty with such vivid horror. The truth of it was excruciating to watch. Made me very happy to be done with that period in my life. |
BdiahJul 12, 2013 10:09 AM
Danpmss said: Same thing happened after that yaoi scene on Shinsekai yori (a LOT of people dropped it), and still, it was almost perfect, and received a well rounded 8.42 THIS. Almost all my anime-watching friends were shocked with that episode and planned to drop it but I hanged on and asked them all to watch it through. -____- renahhchen said: But even so, I do find it quite sad that something like Aku no Hana, which is interesting and inventive if nothing else, has a lower score than some of the truly insipid, obnoxious, cliche and over-done harem animes out there... and another caps lock of THIS. Even though it's slow paced, it's perfect for the atmosphere of it (probably because I watched after it was aired, it does suck if you watch 25 minutes of just walking and walking and walking) The plot is good and the rotoscope is perfect for this and let us not forget the OP and ED. |
| i'l be honest one reason i didn't watch the anime was because of the rotoscoping but maybe i'll give the manga a try. |
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Sunduck said: Yeah, what about rotoscoping, check this out This is really interesting! And I can't understand the hatred for this anime, just because it dares to be different. I love love LOVE the animation style, and how wacky the way the episodes are. I hope they use more rotoscope in anime in the future. |
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| A man shouldn't play with others' money, especially when it's huge. If the director wanted to try rotoscoping, he should've done right, not this amateurish crap. |
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| Score should be 1. It's utter trash |
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| Aside from being a terrible adaption it also gets a 1 simply for its insulting art style. The art style is just plain ugly. It turned so many cute characters into weird potato-faced blobs with faces that belong to individuals who are 200 pounds heavier than the originals. Compare this well drawn cute Sawa  With This Blobtoon  Or compare this Nanako  With this:  A comparably ugly character would be Tetsuro from Galaxy Express, but he was created that way and was an original design that didn't take a shit on another creator's efforts. I think he is kind of charming in his own right anyway...  |
SoftImpalerSep 25, 2020 11:39 AM
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Bdiah said: It will be interesting to observe how the incredibly low score of this show evolves. I know that for a score to be counted, 20% of a show must be watched, but I do not know how they register scores for currently airing shows. Seems like it wouldn't be worth the effort to adjust the 20% threshold based on the number of episodes which have actually aired, but on the other hand, I know that scores are calculated even when only 1 or 2 episodes have aired (less than 20% of the whole show). The huge contingent that gave this show a 1/10 likely won't be counted once the series has concluded as they dropped the series very quickly. Already the show's score has risen from the mid-5-range into the low-6-range. Who knows, once the series has ended, it may work itself back into the 7-8 range where 95% of MAL's scores are found. Hey, I turned out to be right! As of today, the score is 7.16, low but within the standard deviation of MAL ratings. What a nice surprise! |
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