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| I haven't watched it yet but I heard it was one of the good shows of the season...yet the score is low...what happened? |
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| Just look around in the sub-forum to find out. |
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| because the anime art is bad looking compared to the fappable art of the manga, but if you could forgive the art style of the anime (and i think its very good) then its still a good watch even though the storytelling is slow pace |
| Ignoring the horribad animation/art, if you look at it from a newcomer's perspective, you'll find that—while this plot is really compelling—it's just flat out whacky and wtf-ey. Clothes ninja? Near-rape scenes? Practically NTR? Spineless MC? There's just too much to hate about it. I'm not even sure the manga will fix that, so I haven't bothered reading it. |
| The score is low because there is no moe girls and most are fanatic manga readers but the show is good. |
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MellowJello said: Ignoring the horribad animation/art. You can't do that, because it's the main reason behind the low rating. And LOL @ that favorite user thread. How did I miss that shit? |
MellowJello said: Ignoring the horribad animation/art, if you look at it from a newcomer's perspective, you'll find that—while this plot is really compelling—it's just flat out whacky and wtf-ey. Clothes ninja? Near-rape scenes? Practically NTR? Spineless MC? There's just too much to hate about it. I'm not even sure the manga will fix that, so I haven't bothered reading it. - There is no NTR - Spineless MC ? yea because people never watched a show with a character like that - If the story was the cause of the low rating the manga would be ranked below 7.00 It's the art/animation nothing more and nothing less. |
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Comandante said: I'm stating them as opinions.MellowJello said: Ignoring the horribad animation/art, if you look at it from a newcomer's perspective, you'll find that—while this plot is really compelling—it's just flat out whacky and wtf-ey. Clothes ninja? Near-rape scenes? Practically NTR? Spineless MC? There's just too much to hate about it. I'm not even sure the manga will fix that, so I haven't bothered reading it. Are you sure that you are not just stating your opinions, in a fashion that implies them being facts? Many people in real life do have issues with social interactions. A good lot of modern anime portray idealised, stoic protagonists, with traits which rarely applies to actual people. Aku no Hana chose to portray a less idealised protagonist, and you perceive this a negative story trait? You really do resemble the protagonist of this serie, in how you seem to be stuck in the romantic/symbolistic era. Indeed they do. Indeed anime do. Indeed I do. Ummm... Uh... I'll just say I like pineapples. People like it? Fine. People don't like it? Also fine. Drop it at that and don't get butthurt over the Internet. Please. tsudecimo said: Fair enough.It's the art/animation nothing more and nothing less. |
Comandante said: MellowJello said: Ignoring the horribad animation/art, if you look at it from a newcomer's perspective, you'll find that—while this plot is really compelling—it's just flat out whacky and wtf-ey. Clothes ninja? Near-rape scenes? Practically NTR? Spineless MC? There's just too much to hate about it. I'm not even sure the manga will fix that, so I haven't bothered reading it. Are you sure that you are not just stating your opinions, in a fashion that implies them being facts? Many people in real life do have issues with social interactions. A good lot of modern anime portray idealised, stoic protagonists, with traits which rarely applies to actual people. Aku no Hana chose to portray a less idealised protagonist, and you perceive this a negative story trait? You really do resemble the protagonist of this serie, in how you seem to be stuck in the romantic/symbolistic era. Whoa whoa, stop attacking him, I gotta agree with him. I've said this somewhere before, but Aku no Hana is basically a guy become crazy and do crazy things with a crazy girl, and made another girl crazy, and she did something crazy, and it's all in the craziness, BUT, as I've said this somewhere, again, I can see the craziness, but I can't sense the insanity (Just like most of the shoujo romance manga out there, I can see the romance, but I can't sense the love), well I read the manga anyway, until chapter 30 or so (fast paced reading) and dropped it, dropped the anime at it's first episode. |
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| There is not much to complain about the animation, the backgrounds are beautiful and after the second episode you already get used to the rotoscoping. |
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| Because people watched one or two episode's and rated it 1, like this MellowJello moron. |
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Bison- said: Because people watched one or two episode's and rated it 1, like this MellowJello moron. She watched 4 episodes actually, and well, people do whatever they want. She is still a moron though. |
| People are usually visually subjective and are more likely to not take a second look at people they don't know, who are not "good looking" in their eyes. It is the same with Aku no Hana. Some people like the artwork/animation because they find it visually appealing. Others who don't find it visually appealing have dropped it on the first episode. Some have gone further and tried it out for a few episodes because they may have read the manga prior to the anime and liked the story or gives everything at least 3~4 episodes... before they dropped it. The rating is something you shouldn't stress over because it is all purely subjective in the end, nothing more. |
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SetsukoHara said: I'm more troubled by the fact people still think I'm female, than by people beliving I'm a moron. Hoo hoo. Bison- said: Because people watched one or two episode's and rated it 1, like this MellowJello moron. She watched 4 episodes actually, and well, people do whatever they want. She is still a moron though. What's more, the fact that I'm still watching it (for comedic value), seems to be bothering people so much that they're using assumptions about me to further their argument. Come on, guys. |
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RediceRyan said: This is sexy It's also incredibly stupid. What's your point? |
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| Just watch episode one and it'l all make sense to you. probably figure it out 1minute in |
| sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
DmonHiro said: It's also incredibly stupid. Nah, it isn't. |
| The score is low because people don't find rotoscopy attractive (a.k.a. MOE) Well, this is just stupid in my oppinion, this show is incredible! |
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ainky said: This.The score is low because there is no moe girls and most are fanatic manga readers but the show is good. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| A lot people think it looks like shit, myself included, and that's more than enough reason to drop it or give it a low score. |
| I think it's great. I didn't like it at first, but I'm starting to love the show and the art. |
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Monde11 said: A lot people think it looks like shit, myself included, and that's more than enough reason to drop it or give it a low score. That's not true! It's really unfair to judge the show by how it looks, my friend! Imagine if everybody decides to don't watch Lain or Cowboy Bebop just because it looks old. It would be an disaster probably. Same thing happened after that yaoi scene on Shinsekai yori (a LOT of people dropped it), and still, it was almost perfect, and received a well rounded 8.42 |
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Danpmss said: Monde11 said: A lot people think it looks like shit, myself included, and that's more than enough reason to drop it or give it a low score. That's not true! It's really unfair to judge the show by how it looks, my friend! It's perfectly normal to judge a visual medium on its visuals. |
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nnangle said: Because most of the anime fan-base consists of superficial idiots. Nothing new here. el_putazo said: ainky said: This.The score is low because there is no moe girls and most are fanatic manga readers but the show is good. Darn right, Straight to the issue. Moe and fanservice fans are the ones to blame, too shallow, superficial and super biased people. |
| I haven't seen it, but I read some of the manga, and it's probably based mainly on the art, and partly on the fact that it's an adaptation of a pseudo-intellectual train-wreck that's main appeal is how unrealistically whacked the wierdsmobile characters can get before they end up paying the Fonze to jump the fucking shark-pit. Only this time he's reading overrated, hedonist "poetry" while he's doing it! RIVETING! While it doesn't help that the art actually fits the story's premise now, it is telling that half as many people dropped this steaming pile as actually read the manga. While this kind of crap may appeal to some niches, the masses don't have time to ponder the ramblings of spoiled Frenchlings with their petty delusions of grandeur and their whiny appeals to artistic value. Say what you want about the masses, sometimes they show a sharper eye for critical evaluation than you'd immediately give them credit for. The art assaults the senses, and the story can be found in thousands of crappy teenage journals. I'd say it's on level with bad fan-fiction of Nietzsche's "Thus Spake Zarathustra" but even that would probably contain more literary value. |
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Danpmss said: I understand your point and I'm probably going to get a lot of flak for this, but I think it's fine to judge a show by it's looks in a visual medium, even if the story is good I wouldn't want to force myself to watch something that isn't visually appealing to me.Monde11 said: A lot people think it looks like shit, myself included, and that's more than enough reason to drop it or give it a low score. That's not true! It's really unfair to judge the show by how it looks, my friend! Imagine if everybody decides to don't watch Lain or Cowboy Bebop just because it looks old. It would be an disaster probably. Same thing happened after that yaoi scene on Shinsekai yori (a LOT of people dropped it), and still, it was almost perfect, and received a well rounded 8.42 |
Monde11 said: I understand your point and I'm probably going to get a lot of flak for this, but I think it's fine to judge a show by it's looks in a visual medium, even if the story is good I wouldn't want to force myself to watch something that isn't visually appealing to me. I agree with you completely but what I don't agree with is people bashing this because of it's visuals. On the contrary it provides visuals no other anime can and I really feel sorry for the people who didn't stick with it to see the end of episode 7. It really makes the rotoscope make sense, a normal anime could have never pulled off that scene with so much impact and eye candy, it was sublime and the visuals are a step ahead of your standard bug eye'd anime, each to their own though. |
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ReasonDesu said: I agree with you completely but what I don't agree with is people bashing this because of it's visuals. On the contrary it provides visuals no other anime can and I really feel sorry for the people who didn't stick with it to see the end of episode 7. It really makes the rotoscope make sense, a normal anime could have never pulled off that scene with so much impact and eye candy, it was sublime and the visuals are a step ahead of your standard bug eye'd anime, each to their own though. That was at the end of episode 7 and most people didn't go that far. And that's not a problem, the discussion threads are better now that people dropped this anime en masse. |
SetsukoHara said: ReasonDesu said: I agree with you completely but what I don't agree with is people bashing this because of it's visuals. On the contrary it provides visuals no other anime can and I really feel sorry for the people who didn't stick with it to see the end of episode 7. It really makes the rotoscope make sense, a normal anime could have never pulled off that scene with so much impact and eye candy, it was sublime and the visuals are a step ahead of your standard bug eye'd anime, each to their own though. That was at the end of episode 7 and most people didn't go that far. And that's not a problem, the discussion threads are better now that people dropped this anime en masse. Yes, absolutely. There is always a bright side. |
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SetsukoHara said: ReasonDesu said: I agree with you completely but what I don't agree with is people bashing this because of it's visuals. On the contrary it provides visuals no other anime can and I really feel sorry for the people who didn't stick with it to see the end of episode 7. It really makes the rotoscope make sense, a normal anime could have never pulled off that scene with so much impact and eye candy, it was sublime and the visuals are a step ahead of your standard bug eye'd anime, each to their own though. That was at the end of episode 7 and most people didn't go that far. And that's not a problem, the discussion threads are better now that people dropped this anime en masse. Hehe indeed, I don't think I could have dealt with it here if that carried on. Still it's a shame though especially seeing how many minds it did manage to change in the episode discussion thread. |
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| It's odd. I love the rotoscoping. Find it very unique and refreshing. Some people (understandably) do not like seeing anime with realistic looking characters. They look more human and not the standard designs you see in every other show. |
| Opinions, that's why. As it always was and always will be. And yet there are people who offend other people calling them logically close minded because of differing opinions. I love these kind of presumptuous threads. <3 However. As it was with Shin Sekai Yori after the mass-dropping after Episode 8 the rating got constantly better even though by far not in the same scale. So these anime are not really comparable. But look for yourself: Even the Plan To Watch is rising. This anime is constantly going up little by little despite it's low starting point/rank. Though this anime has a Drop/Watching ratio of almost 1/5. |
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nantuko said: Opinions, that's why. As it always was and always will be. And yet there are people who offend other people calling them logically close minded because of differing opinions. I love these kind of presumptuous threads. <3 However. As it was with Shin Sekai Yori after the mass-dropping after Episode 8 the rating got constantly better even though by far not in the same scale. So these anime are not really comparable. But look for yourself: Even the Plan To Watch is rising. This anime is constantly going up little by little despite it's low starting point/rank. Though this anime has a Drop/Watching ratio of almost 1/5. Wow, bro! where did you found this graphic? i wanna see some of other animes i liked :D Besides, my comparison was like... just for the similarities, shinsekai was way more amazing than a lot of animes i saw, even more than aku no hana (Shingeki maybe, i don't know, i'll wait till the end of the anime/manga to compare those two) Just like you said, it's just my opinion, probably 85% of the readers will disagree certainly xD |
DanpmssMay 22, 2013 11:53 AM
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Danpmss said: Wow, bro! where did you found this graphic? i wanna see some of other animes i liked :D Besides, my comparison was like... just for the similarities, shinsekai was way more amazing than a lot of animes i saw, even more than aku no hana (Shingeki maybe, i don't know, i'll wait till the end of the anime/manga to compare those two) Just like you said, it's just my opinion, probably 85% of the readers will disagree certainly xD I'm doing the charts myself, or rather I let my server do them. To see more just click the picture. Although the site is only up since season Fall 2012 and has only Anime since then in its database, Plan To Watch/Dropped among 3 other options were added just recently in March, too. Regarding that comparison, I get what you mean, the circumstances are certainly similar, it's just not that comparable considering the numbers. That's all I meant and wasn't directed to you in particular. ;) |
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| It will be interesting to observe how the incredibly low score of this show evolves. I know that for a score to be counted, 20% of a show must be watched, but I do not know how they register scores for currently airing shows. Seems like it wouldn't be worth the effort to adjust the 20% threshold based on the number of episodes which have actually aired, but on the other hand, I know that scores are calculated even when only 1 or 2 episodes have aired (less than 20% of the whole show). The huge contingent that gave this show a 1/10 likely won't be counted once the series has concluded as they dropped the series very quickly. Already the show's score has risen from the mid-5-range into the low-6-range. Who knows, once the series has ended, it may work itself back into the 7-8 range where 95% of MAL's scores are found. |
nantuko said: Danpmss said: Wow, bro! where did you found this graphic? i wanna see some of other animes i liked :D Besides, my comparison was like... just for the similarities, shinsekai was way more amazing than a lot of animes i saw, even more than aku no hana (Shingeki maybe, i don't know, i'll wait till the end of the anime/manga to compare those two) Just like you said, it's just my opinion, probably 85% of the readers will disagree certainly xD I'm doing the charts myself, or rather I let my server do them. To see more just click the picture. Although the site is only up since season Fall 2012 and has only Anime since then in its database, Plan To Watch/Dropped among 3 other options were added just recently in March, too. Regarding that comparison, I get what you mean, the circumstances are certainly similar, it's just not that comparable considering the numbers. That's all I meant and wasn't directed to you in particular. ;) Thanks for the good work on the charts :D |
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| The series is awesome. Low Score = No Moe. Just ignore the score and enjoy! |
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KingYoshi said: The series is awesome. Low Score = No Moe. Just ignore the score and enjoy! This, but intelligent, well educated and wise fans NEVER EVER trust any ratings and/or reviews but their own judgement, let alone watch/or dont something based or MAL ratings? |
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