| For the ending, all I can say is... WTF? |
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| That ending was SUPER WEIRD and I don't even understand what really happened |
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kami_desu said: For the ending, all I can say is... WTF? Yeah... This series felt almost more about the crazy and psychotic than existentialism... I honestly loved the beginning first couple volumes, up until the #1775 arc. From there it tripped and although it has some great moments of thought-provoking ideas and societal commentary, they were in between many repetitive scenes that kept beating the dead horse. I'm inclined to say that it succeeded in some aspects but failed in others. The way Nakoshi could "manipulate" others by drawing out their subconscious problems was a hack felt lacking, and ironically, led me to feel that the series was superficial at times (despite the series trying to oppose that notion). Ito's build-up was long-winded and his revelation was fine, but his character appearances after that felt forced to move the story along. I'm mixed on the ending as well. But it was about time Nakoshi was put somewhere. The fact that he's still around with even more holes in him, well, that says a lot. Probably quite a few people dead because of him and his attempt to find solace in another human being in his new world. In the end I feel like he never really did find his true meaning in life, merely discovering something bizarre that deceived him into some abstract comfort. However, I did think the ideas of existentialism were explored in an interesting way, so I think that was the most notable part for me. Reminded me of Oyasumi Punpun with the direction it took as well. |
MirorinApr 27, 2015 11:49 PM
| This was a mind twisty series but quite unique. I was somewhat disturbed by the final few chapters of the last volume tbh especially in regards to Nakoshi and his behavior, actions, and perception of others around him and in general the world as well. A lot of the content seems to have abstract quality and imo, that was fairly well done. |
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| "Just fuck me up, fam." |
| The ending was rushed af. I loved most of the story tho. The rushed ending leaves me feel so empty. |
| I'm still digesting, but it was a great read. I thought the author's implementation of numerous socioeconomic aspects was very tactful. Though the characters were sometimes written a little crudely, it was a grating when they were chewing dialogue in some the more psychology heavy parts of the story. That said, it had a good pace, though the arcs are too clearly defined and some parts were contrived. I think I liked the ending, but I'm still making up my mind. It was heavy — I felt the author built to it well and finished strongly on something that lingers. I also like how he flirted with Nakoshi's delusions and didn't lean too far in one direction or the other. As a reader I got the sense that Nakoshi's hallucinations were supposed to lead to some brighter place, to make him more whole, but actually it's the opposite and I feel the author includes enough subtext that you can appreciate the plot in many regards. |
| That was quite an intense read. Reading this made feel depressed, grossed out and contemplative, all at the same time. While I didn't fully appreciate everything about this manga, it's still has some merit. 6/10. |
| What? Whyy? It would've been a lot better for me if they ended it when nakoshi's gave advice and greeted people in town. Btw thanks to OP for summarize what happened.i had a bad feeling when he said nakano was tired but i just wasn't sure. So she really was dead and then he becomes nut Still a good read. Really enjoyed this I wonder if ito is going to prison too for practicing the trepanation |
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Mihu95 said: I've been binging on it for past 3 days and now I'm finished. Can't really say how suprised I was for this ending. Honestly, it looked like Nakoshi finally accepted the world, both the truth and lie. Those homunculus were his own hidden desires to be accepted. Moreover, he actually got some kind of enlightment. Yet, as we can see he just wasn't able to stop. Seeing homunculus became his obsession,w hile he still was trying to find someone to see him for who he truly is. Nanako was able to do that only at the end of their story. It looked to me liek he had given up on her and understood that she won't be able to completely see him. So he just left her to die from bleeding. And then the year passed, he was still trying his searching to find someone able to accept him. Iou found him, but he also wasn't the one to grasp what Makoshi really is. But don't get me wrong, Nakoshi also lost some par tof his humanity while seeing homunculus. He lost some kind of ethical borders which allowed him to decide what is good or wrong. Throughout the whole year he was creating new holes to see and understand himself better while still seeing homunculus as himself. Thus, he stopped seeing ethical borders as something to care about, because for him he was doing it all to him. So it's permissible to assume he was doing other trepanations to other people in order to find someone who could truly see him. Itou, as I already said, wasn't that person. He was the closest one to be called Nakoshi's friend but for him it was like he failed him. It was supposed to be experiment and probably escalated in mass murdering by Nakatoshi. Sad ending, indeed. Also, it looks like Nakatoshi still understood that he was doing something wrong, at least the vague feeling of it. And throughout the year he realized his dream of being seen for whom he really is will remain unfulfilled. Thus he said "I'm tired of seeing it". I don't think the whole process made him loose touch with what is wrong or right, he was horrible from the very beggining. I think the ending was more about he not being able to feel true empathy towards no one but himself (quite literally when he starts seeing others as himself) even though he went trhough all that self discovery process. He went on a journey to discover himself and found out he had always been awful and continued to be so, waiting for someone to look at him and tell him he's not. But there's no such person, even Nanako saw nothing but a demon at the end, because it wasn't about being able to see: no one could've seen something good in him because he just wasn't. The way I interpret the story, he didn't loose track of ethics nor lost his humanity: he just never had them to being with. Sorry, I just finished it and needed to vent lmao. |
| I've never came across an ending this disturbing yet magnificent and extremely fucking depressing, it gives the reader the feeling that there's no way out and the only person who is able to view their heart is themselves |
| The dialogue in darkness due to snow building up on the car windows was a nice touch. Really enjoyed reading this, I think the ending was pretty fitting. Also liked how the mangaka’s art developed from Koroshiya 1. |
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kuramadoe said: I went through this whole series expecting Nakoshi to continue to learn about himself until he reached this dramatic lightbulb moment and then he would attempt to correct his previous mistakes and better himself but then he just went on this weird tangent about the heart to Nanako and went fully insane and I just didn’t appreciate this ending at all, the whole series just felt like Nakoshi was growing and then it was all just dropped at the end, all the tension was lost and it just lost me. I think that's what makes it great and separates it from others of a similar genre. You're led to believe Nakoshi is a little otherworldly and is working toward some divine moment where he will become a better person, but actually he's deeply unwell. The ending causes you to reframe and rethink everything before it, which is what makes it so heavy and memorable. Two years ago when I commented here I said; "I think I like the ending," now I think it's probably one of the most unforgettable and compelling endings in any manga I've read. It certainly takes you for a ride and leaves you feeling a little weird afterwards, but I think it matures in a really unique and beguiling way. |
| how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real |
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| Wow great final, with surprises although with one point that you can imagine!!! It was a surprise the real Nanako´s face, ugly!!! kekeke Nice manga in general and easy to read and with nice draws!!! 9/10 |
| Nakoshi's final moments were sure something, especially if he just fell into insanity more and more during that time skip... at least he could see Ito one last time before getting arrested... |
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| Don't really know what to say... The story was mostly a study of perspective and artistic flow, with a story laying somewhere... I expected a tad more of this manga. It was interesting, but could be better. |
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| The manga was less than average overall though the ending makes you think a bit and isn't totally clear about everything. The story got repetitive at some point and I am not easy to shock, so most of the scenes were just dull for me, anyways isn't the best nor the worst, 4/10. |
| what a confusing series, the ending is very confusing and dark. protag was using his powers to control subconscious of other people but looks like he was killing people all along in a whole year. |
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| So Nakoshi went completely insane after killing "Nanako" and probably killed a few more people under the excuse of "seeing the real him" by drilling holes in his head. He probably escaped the police for that year and Ito is crying because he has lost it. 8/10. Some arcs were great, while others felt strange. There's plenty of introspection and good ideas but overall the trippiness of the series makes this very hard to recommend. Like, you need to be in a state of mind to read this without questioning the sanity of the author. And also, there was absolutely no need to make the #1775 arc the way it was. The whole scene inside the car was not necessary. |
| This manga felt like taking jimsonweed, not a pleasant trip at all. I like the premise of this manga and I also liked how "different" it was. Ive consumed plenty of psychological media but this one just had a certain...vibe to it. not a good vibe, but a vibe nonetheless. Hard to explain. Seeing the mc's gradual insanity was the highlight of this manga, I honestly thought nakoshi would be some sort of therapist after gaining his "powers"-- but in reality, he would just become worse and worse. He definitely "helped" people alright, whether it's raping them in the car or genuinely giving heartfelt advice like to that homeless who commited suicide. I honestly disliked the dialogue during what..the second half of the manga or something? I felt like there was so much repetitive convos about "seeing the heart" and "i always look down because im ugly as shit" like ok man, i get it. i really do. i felt like i was reading the same shit when nakoshi vented about it to itoh in vol 11 and then to nakano in vol 12-15. the conversations about psychology and the human mind felt unnatural and didnt have a proper flow to it. the dialogue doesnt have to be realistic, but it just felt so "on the nose" and tacky. the rest of the dialogue was fine though ending was very good, i get how it felt "rushed" but i still loved it. it felt like a proper payoff nakoshi's character. my interpretation is that after killing nanako, he ended up becoming totally insane (he trepanated himself even more after the time skip). he kept seeing images of himself after plastic surgery because of he's full of lies and he totally accepts that. his self-discovery journey resulted in the realization that hes a complete and utter narcissist. even before the trepanation, he abandoned nanako's child because of his insecurity (i think). overall this manga had very high highs and very low lows. would not eat my own cum again |
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