| not really comfortable with dating younger girls than me (<16), but older girls <21 are fine. |
katsucats said: SSJgoku91 said: And they'd look more like they're 11 years old, right?Caze said: If anything I'd prefer humans become smaller, they'd need less food, smaller vehicles, smaller living spaces, use less resources all around.With the help of geneticists selectively inbreeding humans, I honestly think we could have some really goddamn healthy and robust people. Not like it's going to happen anyway though. I'm not attracted to girls that young, why do I have to keep pointing this out? |
SSJgoku91 said: Oh yeah that was monty1, I forgot.katsucats said: SSJgoku91 said: And they'd look more like they're 11 years old, right?Caze said: If anything I'd prefer humans become smaller, they'd need less food, smaller vehicles, smaller living spaces, use less resources all around.With the help of geneticists selectively inbreeding humans, I honestly think we could have some really goddamn healthy and robust people. Not like it's going to happen anyway though. I'm not attracted to girls that young, why do I have to keep pointing this out? |
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Wow, that entire pdf was basically just saying how unstable and unreliable the results are due to many factors you have to take in. SUMMARY Romantic relationships between cousins are not infrequent in the United States and Canada, and these unions are preferred marriages in many parts of the world. The offspring of first cousin unions are estimated to have about a 1.7– 2.8% increased risk for congenital defects above the population background risk (Table III). There is an approximately 4.4% increased risk for prereproductive mortality above the population background risk, some of which include major congenital defects. The risk for an adverse health outcome is greatest in the 1st year of life. The risk of an adverse health outcome in the pregnancy from an incestuous union is difficult to quantify because of ascertainment bias in all published studies. \\ Next page \\ The risk for adverse medical outcome in the offspring of incestuous unions is probably in the range of 7–31% above population background, the risk being greatest in the 1st year of life (Table IV) probably It has also said the equivalent of this many times throughout the paper. >The risk of an adverse health outcome in the pregnancy from an incestuous union is difficult to quantify because of ascertainment bias in all published studies. I highly doubt the risks of first generation inbreeding is anything to worry about, I'm sure it's there in some way, especially so in some cases, like if Huntingtons runs in the family, (Quite a good chance that kid would be getting it, but most likely not any more than two non-related people with huntingtons in the family) just not enough to worry about. How about you worry about the mom taking SSRI's or some other prescription drug while pregnant and her doctor being perfectly okay with it, which happens all the time. |
CazeDec 29, 2012 8:08 PM
| A lot of 16 year olds nowadays look like they're freaking 18. It makes a 20 year old like me so damn cautious. I don't want to get my ass pounded in jail. |
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katsucats said: RandomChampion said: The human population is so large that there's no scientific evidence that high genetic risk would adversely influence the future of mankind besides that it would allow evolution to thin out those who continuously engage in risky behavior. Aside from this, the logic of "polluting the gene pool" is faulty for 3 more reasons:however your second point is not completely logically sound due to the fact that incest is an active and direct CAUSE of increased risk in the population pool. what i'm saying is that 2 individuals who are not especially genetically predisposed to certain things can produce a child who is at greater risk if the relationship is incestuous. basically (and extremely simplistically) Incest: normal+normal -> higher risk VS high risk+high risk -> higher riskl incest is basically bad for the gene pool while "normal" genetic dispersion is not 1. It assigns a moral value to birth defects. 2. It is biased, by assigning responsibility to incestuous couples but not other people who may be equally risky in polluting the gene pool. 3. It is anti-free personal choice, by saying that certain people can't do something of their own will if it increases the risk of something without harming other people. By that rationale, homosexuality should be illegalized because anal sex is more susceptible to HIV. well I was more-so talking about why i dont think people should mate in incestuous relationship (guess i got caught up in that) rather than whether or not it's moral or not (what people are arguing here). i know that the population isnt threatened by it at this stage, but i still dont think it should be done since it creates higher incidence of "bad" phenotypes while simultaneously decreasing the vitality of the gene pool (like you said the net isnt affected, but it still does make a change to it). regarding 1) i agree that there shouldnt be moral assigment to birth defects. regarding 2) it is not biased. it can be argued, as per (classical) genetics, that the occurrences of "gene pool pollution" via the "random" mating within entire population is required for the vitality of the gene pool. why? because even if there are certain undesirable genotypes and phenotypes that begin to exist in the population, this ensures that the species can survive in the face of abrupt environmental changes. mating in incestuous relationship takes away the classical pattern of reproduction and instead concentrates the incidence bypassing the classical pattern basically, undesirable phenotypes via the chance that two high risk people mate is different because it falls in place with the laws and mechanisms of ideal genetics. but like you said, all this doesnt even matter anymore since realistically incest on a large enough scale wouldnt occur to destroy our species (and we have technology anyways). i just personally believe we should stick to how our species is "built" (aka, i dont believe in a complete life of vegetarianism unless it is highly controlled, no incest, etc). 3) well there's a bit of difference between gay sex and having offspring via incest. anal sex really only affects the 2 partners. incest can affect an offspring. to be honest, i'd be pissed off i had a son and i found out he was incestuous and/or gay lol. it wouldnt necessarily make him amoral or immoral though. |
RandomChampionDec 29, 2012 8:30 PM
RandomChampion said: i'd be pissed off i had a son and i found out he was incestuous and/or gay lol. Haha, teehee so funny. |
RandomChampion said: This is true, and we should keep in mind there are 2 gene pools in question:regarding 2) it is not biased. it can be argued, as per (classical) genetics, that the occurrences of "gene pool pollution" via the "random" mating within entire population is required for the vitality of the gene pool. why? because even if there are certain undesirable genotypes and phenotypes that begin to exist in the population, this ensures that the species can survive in the face of abrupt environmental changes. 1. Gene pool of the human race. 2. Gene pool of the incestuous family. Classical genetics will say that #2 is at risk (and #1 if incest was a dominant practice, but it isn't). Now that we've established a reasonable scope, the question is then: Is endangering your gene pool morally wrong? If it is, then we could include a variety of other activities, such as smoking, skydiving, joining the army, homosexuality, adopting, and more. However, one can reasonably take this position if he considers all of the ramifications (not saying you). RandomChampion said: But we've already established in 1) that there shouldn't be a moral assignment to birth defects.incest can affect an offspring I think when someone says should, it's semantically equivalent to a moral prescription even if they don't think they are talking about morals. I know you said that's not what you wanted to argue about, so I'm just saying my piece for the other people. I did say I was playing devil's advocate anyways. |
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Caze said: So we should take your doubt over dozens of other studies published just because it says "probably" in the conclusion (you skipped the rest of it, didn't you?)? lolI highly doubt the risks of first generation inbreeding is anything to worry about We know though, for a fact, at least in plant breeding, that an F1 (first filial generation) outcross between 2 inbred lines results in pretty uniformly superior genetics compared to the parent stock. |
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katsucats said: RandomChampion said: This is true, and we should keep in mind there are 2 gene pools in question:regarding 2) it is not biased. it can be argued, as per (classical) genetics, that the occurrences of "gene pool pollution" via the "random" mating within entire population is required for the vitality of the gene pool. why? because even if there are certain undesirable genotypes and phenotypes that begin to exist in the population, this ensures that the species can survive in the face of abrupt environmental changes. 1. Gene pool of the human race. 2. Gene pool of the incestuous family. Classical genetics will say that #2 is at risk (and #1 if incest was a dominant practice, but it isn't). Now that we've established a reasonable scope, the question is then: Is endangering your gene pool morally wrong? If it is, then we could include a variety of other activities, such as smoking, skydiving, joining the army, homosexuality, adopting, and more. However, one can reasonably take this position if he considers all of the ramifications (not saying you). RandomChampion said: But we've already established in 1) that there shouldn't be a moral assignment to birth defects.incest can affect an offspring I think when someone says should, it's semantically equivalent to a moral prescription even if they don't think they are talking about morals. I know you said that's not what you wanted to argue about, so I'm just saying my piece for the other people. I did say I was playing devil's advocate anyways. sorry for bad formatting i always screw it up so ima just leave as how the system quotes it. Re: 1) that there shouldnt be a moral assignment to birth defects, i was just saying that it is an arguable aspect even if certain people agree but now i know what you mean but yea i get what youre saying (youre just putting out arguments etc). this whole debate about the morality of inbreeding can even be related to other issues such as two at-risk parents having a child (like you said before) esepcially with all the genetic counseling going on nowadays. one set of parents will think it's fine to have offspring anways, while another might say it's wrong to subject a child to possible disability (theyll not agree with 1)) |
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| To be honest, if you're under 15 , having a 15+ age gap, it bothers me but ehh, depends on the person really. Now, 20+, any age gap doesn't really bother me. Unless you were dating a 90 year old or something What the fuck? Mental images |
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Peten00b said: As long as they love each other, i don't really care They don't. Because, you know... 11 year olds don't know what romantic love is. |
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Vinter said: Peten00b said: As long as they love each other, i don't really care They don't. Because, you know... 11 year olds don't know what romantic love is. Very few people do. |
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NicoleB said: Vinter said: Peten00b said: As long as they love each other, i don't really care They don't. Because, you know... 11 year olds don't know what romantic love is. Very few people do. Please teach us love, doctor. |
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NicoleB said: Vinter said: Peten00b said: As long as they love each other, i don't really care They don't. Because, you know... 11 year olds don't know what romantic love is. Very few people do. DEEP AND EDGY PLZ MARRY ME |
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iCameSwagYOLO420 said: lolNicoleB said: Vinter said: Peten00b said: As long as they love each other, i don't really care They don't. Because, you know... 11 year olds don't know what romantic love is. Very few people do. DEEP AND EDGY PLZ MARRY ME |
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abrams said: The OP was talking about why he thinks that him as a 20 year old should be able to be in a relationship with an 11 year old. Then eventually it got to him admitting that when he was 5 he had sex with his 8 year old cousin, that's where it started to be about incest.And what's all this crap about incest. |
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IntroverTurtle said: abrams said: The OP was talking about why he thinks that him as a 20 year old should be able to be in a relationship with an 11 year old. Then eventually it got to him admitting that when he was 5 he had sex with his 8 year old cousin, that's where it started to be about incest.And what's all this crap about incest. Had sex? or just played doctor. He might be over-thinking the whole thing. JReitan said: Hot! ... as in hot goods, the popo gots to have his number. |
abrams said: IntroverTurtle said: abrams said: The OP was talking about why he thinks that him as a 20 year old should be able to be in a relationship with an 11 year old. Then eventually it got to him admitting that when he was 5 he had sex with his 8 year old cousin, that's where it started to be about incest.And what's all this crap about incest. Had sex? or just played doctor. He might be over-thinking the whole thing. If you wanna know, my family, her family, and our grandparents were all at our grandparents house and everyone but me and her went outside to look at something (dont remember what). she took me into the guest bedroom and told me to take my pants off, which she did as well. she told me to lay down on the bed and she pulled on my penis for a little bit to get it hard, and then she got on top of me and put it inside her, then just laid flat on me for a few minutes with my penis inside her, and kept asking "do you feel it" after a while we stopped then put our clothes back on and she brought me into the bathroom, had me sit on the toilet and unzipped my pants. this is when our families came back into the house, and they had a clear line of sight straight into the bathroom. they called us out and questioned us and of course i told them everything, her dad yelled her name and looked at her like he was about to kill her haha. later i told my kindergarten teacher about it and she tripped out haha |
| I think it's understandable of why you told people, you were 5 at the time... |
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| Well, logically speaking, even if you don't know what's happening to you or what you are doing, that does not mean it did not happen to you/happen to people. I'll make an analogy here, if I cannot comprehend a slap and I get one then I riposte, that does not mean that I did not get slapped and I did not hit that person, it's just that I don't know what happened to me or what I tried doing. Weak analogy, but hey, you get why these type of things are to say only to 7 years old when they get traumatized, and in his case I don't think traumatizing is a right word. He had fun. |
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| Uhm, it's not necessary for the hymen to be broken for it to be deemed as losing virginity..... As the hymen can be broken by a lot of things (or you could even be born without). If that's what you meant. |
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abrams said: Immahnoob said: Uhm, it's not necessary for the hymen to be broken for it to be deemed as losing virginity..... As the hymen can be broken by a lot of things (or you could even be born without). If that's what you meant. But if it was left unbroken then it would mean it wasn't lost. Anyway, lets not get into this any further, this thread is unusual enough. Not necessarily, there are cases of hymen that can't be broken that easily even with penetration or even cases where the hymen was not broken even with proper penetration. |
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| 11 year olds date? |
paprikawolf said: 11 year olds date? These days they do. I don't have anything against big age gaps in relationships but be ready to keep sex out the window till she grows up. |
| If they're both aware of their situations and are capable of making decisions and being responsible of their own lives, then maybe it's okay (definitely not if the girl is 11 -__- ). It's quite common , however, i'm not sure if it's okay for a long-term relationship as the age gap might affect their decisions as a couple since they'll definitely won't be thinking the same way, which might lead to frequent arguments and such.. |
RainsDec 31, 2012 2:55 PM
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| I don,t have a problem but they might have one. In the future when she will grow up, her way of see think will change and her mentality will change too. She will grow and she will meet new boys. A child can't fall in love. She will fall in love in the future with you or another one. good luck and sorry for my english |
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| As long as they are past the legal age I don't see a problem. That means they would have to be 15+ where I currently live. It's up to the person if they love someone or not, and love has no age. |
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