So, would it be considered okay to do it?
JonyJC said: I'd vocalize my actions. JONYJC IS BACK. |
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| lol arm fetishes. Hair fetish is worse. Haven't heard of hairjob until yesterday. and -.- |
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| Why not? Its not like ur gonna raep her. |
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| Depends... If she's hot and naughty, why not? Other than that, I'll ignore her... |
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Iasuru said: lol arm fetishes. Hair fetish is worse. Haven't heard of hairjob until yesterday. and -.- Hair fetish huh? Watch Katanagatari for more! In that specific way I think i might also have that same kind of fetish ^^ |
Tavor said: She'll read you like braille and slap you. I laughed harder than I should have. |
Immahnoob said: JonyJC said: I'd vocalize my actions. JONYJC IS BACK. Missed me? I thought I was hated. |
JonyJC said: Immahnoob said: JonyJC said: I'd vocalize my actions. JONYJC IS BACK. Missed me? I thought I was hated. I never hated you. |
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Immahnoob said: JonyJC said: Immahnoob said: JonyJC said: I'd vocalize my actions. JONYJC IS BACK. Missed me? I thought I was hated. I never hated you. That's sweet of you, wanna make out? |
JonyJC said: Immahnoob said: JonyJC said: Immahnoob said: JonyJC said: I'd vocalize my actions. JONYJC IS BACK. Missed me? I thought I was hated. I never hated you. That's sweet of you, wanna make out? Can i watch? |
JonyJC said: Immahnoob said: JonyJC said: Immahnoob said: JonyJC said: I'd vocalize my actions. JONYJC IS BACK. Missed me? I thought I was hated. I never hated you. That's sweet of you, wanna make out? No, sorry, I already have my waifu Nicole for that. darkyuu said: JonyJC said: Immahnoob said: JonyJC said: Immahnoob said: JonyJC said: I'd vocalize my actions. JONYJC IS BACK. Missed me? I thought I was hated. I never hated you. That's sweet of you, wanna make out? Can i watch? You can watch me make out with my waifu if you want. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: No, sorry, I already have my waifu Nicole for that. I don't even know what that is but those but I wouldn't mind having one of those cute pillows with some anime girl. Back on topic, I wonder where blind girls hangout? |
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| No one appreciated my joke i worked so hard on.. |
| Uhhh wow.. these guys have no respect for woman, it's as if they're some sort of toy :/ Stupid perverts!! I hope someone kicks your ass |
xTenshiAi said: Uhhh wow.. these guys have no respect for woman, it's as if they're some sort of toy :/ Stupid perverts!! I hope someone kicks your ass They are just staring and if you're careful about it, the worse you can get at them is for thought crime? This is staring at a blind girl's breast, which is at best a thought crime and it can actually be quite fascist in some way. And this topic is what kinda rubs me the wrong way. I talk to women. I respect them. I can hang out with them for platonic reasons. That won't stop me from sexually fantasising about them. But maybe I am much more comfortable with myself in a sexual sense and I honestly don't see anything wrong. Just don't let it be known. One of these days I will walk around with my fly undone and use the same rhetoric on women who notice. |
xTenshiAi said: Naive. Ever hear the phrase "love is selfish"? I like that post several pages back about how you can never know the true essence of another person, but your representation of them. In that case, all people are toys metaphysically and there's no way around that. Some women/feminists have an idealistic view that the world is all clouds, Care Bears, and Coco Puffs...Uhhh wow.. these guys have no respect for woman, it's as if they're some sort of toy :/ Stupid perverts!! I hope someone kicks your ass But then you post that cute picture of that bishounen from some anime, or your favorite K-pop idol... |
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katsucats said: xTenshiAi said: Naive. Ever hear the phrase "love is selfish"? I like that post several pages back about how you can never know the true essence of another person, but your representation of them. In that case, all people are toys metaphysically and there's no way around that. Some women/feminists have an idealistic view that the world is all clouds, Care Bears, and Coco Puffs...Uhhh wow.. these guys have no respect for woman, it's as if they're some sort of toy :/ Stupid perverts!! I hope someone kicks your ass But then you post that cute picture of that bishounen from some anime, or your favorite K-pop idol... Hahahahhah lololol |
| silly question, of course it's good, it's even ok to look at all girls breasts not only disabled ones :) |
xTenshiAi said: Uhhh wow.. these guys have no respect for woman, it's as if they're some sort of toy :/ Stupid perverts!! I hope someone kicks your ass You are a member of these clubs http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=4657 http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=30415 http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=838 Uhhh wow.. you have no respect for men, it's as if they're some sort of toy :/ Stupid pervert!! I hope someone kicks your ass |
Basically my answer. |
| If know one is around then of course :P |
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| You're free to stare at whomever you want. And personally, I think it's admirable to be able to be completely honest about what you want in life without being ashamed of it. If you want to look at someone's boobs, look at their boobs. If you think someone is an asshole, call them an asshole. If you don't want to hang out with someone, tell them you're not interested. No excuses, no white lies, no beating around the bush. Just straight up honesty. And if other people have a problem with that, then that's their problem, not yours. |
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Vinter said: You're free to stare at whomever you want. And personally, I think it's admirable to be able to be completely honest about what you want in life without being ashamed of it. If you want to look at someone's boobs, look at their boobs. If you think someone is an asshole, call them an asshole. If you don't want to hang out with someone, tell them you're not interested. No excuses, no white lies, no beating around the bush. Just straight up honesty. And if other people have a problem with that, then that's their problem, not yours. If you want to look at their panties, look at their panties! If you want to smell their panties, then smell their panties! If you want to sexually harass them, then sexually harass them! It's their problem, not yours! |
| If you want to do something, do it in the limits of the law! And if other people have a problem with that, then that's their problem, not yours. Looking at boobs was never more legal than now. |
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InfiniteRyvius said: Vinter said: You're free to stare at whomever you want. And personally, I think it's admirable to be able to be completely honest about what you want in life without being ashamed of it. If you want to look at someone's boobs, look at their boobs. If you think someone is an asshole, call them an asshole. If you don't want to hang out with someone, tell them you're not interested. No excuses, no white lies, no beating around the bush. Just straight up honesty. And if other people have a problem with that, then that's their problem, not yours. If you want to look at their panties, look at their panties! If you want to smell their panties, then smell their panties! If you want to sexually harass them, then sexually harass them! It's their problem, not yours! Last time I checked, there are no laws against looking at people. There are against touching them against their will, though. As long as you stay within the law and don't hurt anyone else, do whatever you want. |
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| It depends on what you mean with "ok". Morally, it is not ok. Legally, it is ok. Biologically, it is ok. Morals are fucked up and can't be used in an argument anyway, so looking at them wins. |
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Immahnoob said: Biologically, it is ok. Appealing to nature is one of the dumbest arguments to begin with. It's like throwing your intelligence out of the window and then taking a dump on it. |
| LUL |
| Morals are also highly subjective and differ from person to person. What might be immoral for one person is perfectly acceptable for another. Just look at the terrorists who blow up busses full of kids. They think it's morally justified because there might have been a jew on the bus. The rest of us think they're monsters. To Christians, looking at someone's boobs is probably considered immoral. But to them, eating shellfish and wearing clothes made out of two different materials is, and I quote, "an abomination" so most people would probably agree that they're kinda out there with their beliefs. |
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| Too bad we're talking about biology here too, if you argue about moral it is not a moralistic fallacy, if you argue about biology, it is not an appeal to nature, why do you think we actually look at boobs? I think I explained that a few pages ago. So fallacy fallacy. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| This cannot be seen as sexual harassment and in extreme cases it cannot even be proven as any type of infringing the law, and I think you missed the other 5 pages I argued about this and talked from a natural perspective, thus, it is not an appeal to nature if the subject is about the natural way itself. |
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Immahnoob said: Too bad we're talking about biology here too Since when biology=/=nature? You were talking about "natural instincts", no? why do you think we actually look at boobs? I think I explained that a few pages ago. There are many hypothesis out there of why do men like breasts. To me they're much more trustworthy than your explanation. |
| LUL |
| And that's what I said, if the subject is "Are we attracted to breasts biologically?" then there is no such thing as Appeal to Nature. We still have instincts even if we have reason now. Just because fallacy, I do not see how any other explanation (which you did not show, by the way) are a lot more trustworthy than mine, not only that, you're not refusing the idea that I am right at all. Saying "There are many hypothesis out there of why do men like breasts." means that you actually agree that it has something to do with what I said. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Proof? I just explained why it's a "Fallacy Fallacy" the one he did, it's not even using the fallacy right. I've proven pages ago that it is natural to do so and I did establish criteria on how it works in the real world. Then don't argue if you think they're "self explanatory", in an argument you must be clear about your points and have proof behind it. |
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Immahnoob said: And that's what I said, if the subject is "Are we attracted to breasts biologically?" then there is no such thing as Appeal to Nature. We still have instincts even if we have reason now. You said: "Biologically it is okay". How else do I interpret it if not: "If it's natural therefore it's right/okay." Explain to me, how is that not an appeal to nature? "Staring at breasts is okay, because it's just natural instinct (or some sort)!" Hmm, well sorry, no sale. I do not see how any other explanation (which you did not show, by the way) are a lot more trustworthy than mine, not only that, you're not refusing the idea that I am right at all. Saying "There are many hypothesis out there of why do men like breasts." means that you actually agree that it has something to do with what I said. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-young-phd/breasts_b_1910401.html being one of them. |
| LUL |
| What don't you understand from "in a DEBATE where the SUBJECT is about NATURE there is no SUCH THING as APPEAL TO NATURE"? It's like somebody asks "Why is X anime popular?" and you keep on repeating "IT'S AN APPEAL TO POPULARITY!". And I think I did add that point to my "hypotheses", I think I've already added a shitload of them which were easily identifiable and easy explainable. Those are pretty shallow points your article brings. First, it just threw out that stereotype about "Sperm being cheap" and that we do not "choose our partners", by instinct we choose the ones favorable to our cause, which is to have a healthy child and to have somebody who can feed them properly. The second point is what I also brought. His third point about oxytocin, I already talked about that too, he did not refute in any way the first two points though, he just said this is the best explanation. And I think at the end it did say it's instinctual, not only that, if you did not know, breasts are erogenous spots on most females, which is another point to my argument that it's instinctual. |
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| one-more-time are you suggesting humans aren't bound by our nature? Why do you think we exist? To reproduce and continue existing. That's it. In order to facilitate this, nature has designed humans to be attracted to members of the opposite sex. This is basic biology. The notion that we should distance ourselves from our biological perogative and suppress our desires is the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time. Humanity would end if everyone followed your advice. And personally I take exception to this idea that there's something wrong with being attracted to another human being, or openly admitting that you're attracted to them. You shouldn't have to hide it, because it's nothing to be ashamed of. |
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Vinter said: InfiniteRyvius said: Vinter said: You're free to stare at whomever you want. And personally, I think it's admirable to be able to be completely honest about what you want in life without being ashamed of it. If you want to look at someone's boobs, look at their boobs. If you think someone is an asshole, call them an asshole. If you don't want to hang out with someone, tell them you're not interested. No excuses, no white lies, no beating around the bush. Just straight up honesty. And if other people have a problem with that, then that's their problem, not yours. If you want to look at their panties, look at their panties! If you want to smell their panties, then smell their panties! If you want to sexually harass them, then sexually harass them! It's their problem, not yours! Last time I checked, there are no laws against looking at people. There are against touching them against their will, though. As long as you stay within the law and don't hurt anyone else, do whatever you want. I'm pretty sure it's not technically illegal to bend down and sniff their panties if you do not touch them, but I can't think that's in any way okay. It's actually a legal grey area. |
Vinter said: one-more-time are you suggesting humans aren't bound by our nature? Why do you think we exist? To reproduce and continue existing. That's it. No we aren't, civilization was built on suppressing our natural desires. |
JonyJC said: Vinter said: one-more-time are you suggesting humans aren't bound by our nature? Why do you think we exist? To reproduce and continue existing. That's it. No we aren't, civilization was built on suppressing our natural desires. Civilization is entirely in accordance with human nature. We're social creatures. We find strength in numbers. The more we are, the better we are. The reason we bond together and build cities is so that we can split the work and allow some people to specialize in certain crafts, which benefits all of us. There is nothing unnatural about civilization. |
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InfiniteRyvius said: Vinter said: InfiniteRyvius said: Vinter said: You're free to stare at whomever you want. And personally, I think it's admirable to be able to be completely honest about what you want in life without being ashamed of it. If you want to look at someone's boobs, look at their boobs. If you think someone is an asshole, call them an asshole. If you don't want to hang out with someone, tell them you're not interested. No excuses, no white lies, no beating around the bush. Just straight up honesty. And if other people have a problem with that, then that's their problem, not yours. If you want to look at their panties, look at their panties! If you want to smell their panties, then smell their panties! If you want to sexually harass them, then sexually harass them! It's their problem, not yours! Last time I checked, there are no laws against looking at people. There are against touching them against their will, though. As long as you stay within the law and don't hurt anyone else, do whatever you want. I'm pretty sure it's not technically illegal to bend down and sniff their panties if you do not touch them, but I can't think that's in any way okay. It's actually a legal grey area. No, that can be deemed as sexual harassment. JonyJC said: Vinter said: one-more-time are you suggesting humans aren't bound by our nature? Why do you think we exist? To reproduce and continue existing. That's it. No we aren't, civilization was built on suppressing our natural desires. I wasn't arguing on moral terms, thus, not on OP's case. Not only that it's legal to look at breasts, but it's also deemed natural, as an instinct as reproduction is normal. |
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| Why is this thread still active? |
RandomPerson2 said: Because debating about pointless shit is fun?Why is this thread still active? |
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| No, by debating and accepting people's points means you have a chance to change your perspective. Thus, it is not useless. Because sometimes, you are wrong... Believing the moon is out of cheese is an example of being wrong. Okay, sometimes sophism is fucked up, but hey, debating is fun and it's productive. Most of the time. |
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| What I want to know is how we got into debating about society and religion from a question about staring at blind girls tits? I've said it once and I'll say it again, get a bunch of scientists in a room together, get them started on a conversation about which breast size is the best, and in about 4 hours we'll have a cure for cancer and interstellar space travel. |
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| Religion? What? You asked from a moral point of view, thus it's about SOCIETY. I changed the subject to "General" because your case and your question (which is a moral question) was really easy to answer. No, it is not morally right, end of the story. Instead if you add the "general" case you will have 20-30 pages, maybe even 40-50 if you don't put "stare" there but put "look" or both cases. |
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Immahnoob said: Religion? What? You asked from a moral point of view, thus it's about SOCIETY. I changed the subject to "General" because your case and your question (which is a moral question) was really easy to answer. No, it is not morally right, end of the story. Instead if you add the "general" case you will have 20-30 pages, maybe even 40-50 if you don't put "stare" there but put "look" or both cases. Religion was brought up a few times in the comments. Also I never asked about moral (who on the internet has morals anyway?), I just meant would you be considered scum for doing it. And if I put look the question wouldn't have even been worth while, we all look at boobs regardless of who's they are. But we generally don't stare at tits unless we know we won't get caught, like with blind girls. |
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