So, would it be considered okay to do it?
mdude009 said: Look, I don't know about you, but I believe in freedom of self expression. There's a pair of tittles that gracefully juts out like rocks strategically placed in a koi pond, and it proves that evolution has developed a sense of artistic appreciation to separate us humans from our monkey brethren. By ignoring your manly instincts, not only are you fighting evolution saying, "No! I refuse to accept my humanity!", but by repressing your natural will, you are doing a disservice to Democracy and art everywhere. This is the 21st century and we no longer have use for such archaic castration of freedom by spectral feudal lords in the ominous name of religion and morality. You should be ashamed of yourself for not staring at those titties, because artistic masterpieces deserve appreciation!Immahnoob said: You guys aren't bright at all... Goddamn it, where can I find people to bash if they can't get that I want to start an argument over here! ALSO YEAH OP, IT IS SOCIALLY WRONG. NICE KILLING ALL POSSIBLE DISCUSSIONS BY ADDING "SOCIALLY" THERE. But socially is all that matters! It's not like anyone on the internet has a sense of morality or basic human decency. |
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| But it's still ethically wrong, and that was his question Katsucats (is it ethically wrong?)... |
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Immahnoob said: Of course not, it is ethically wrong to deny your ability of self expression, sending the implicit message, "I'm okay with slavery." Art should be appreciated. That is what distinguishes us from rhesus monkeys: our capacity to morally understand the sentimentality of art and express that emotion is the human condition. By that perspective, ignoring breasts would be a barbarous shedding of modern societal values. The world is a museum, and breasts are on display, people!! Walking through a museum but ignoring its exhibits is not only ignorant, but nihilistic.But it's still ethically wrong, and that was his question Katsucats (is it ethically wrong?)... |
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katsucats said: Immahnoob said: Of course not, it is ethically wrong to deny your ability of self expression, sending the implicit message, "I'm okay with slavery." Art should be appreciated. That is what distinguishes us from rhesus monkeys: our capacity to morally understand the sentimentality of art and express that emotion is the human condition. By that perspective, ignoring breasts would be a barbarous shedding of modern societal values. The world is a museum, and breasts are on display, people!! Walking through a museum but ignoring its exhibits is not only ignorant, but nihilistic.But it's still ethically wrong, and that was his question Katsucats (is it ethically wrong?)... Well, I must admit, that is the most eloquent way of speaking bullshit that I've ever read. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
| That's what equally is all about! i would stare at her tits regardless of her vision. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| No. There's nothing wrong with it. Ain't no morality about it either. Just don't overdo it. Our society's obsession with boobs is sort of hilarious when you think about it. For as much that we as a society tend to objectify breasts, when you sit down and actually think about what you're staring at, it's pretty funny. I mean... ??? We're mammals too. Stuff like above turns us on for some reason. Freudian hellhole much? |
| why not stare? we must appreciate glorious mother nature creation |
| I wouldn't stare simply because they don't hold my attention much. |
| Men basic checking out procedure for interesting specimen: 1. bosoms 2. face 3. bosoms 4. buttocks 5. hips 6. face 7. return to 1, repeat until subject aware In case of emergency: faking disinterested face, look into the distance, pretend to interested to some trees across the road, "Look guys, is that a squirrel in that tree?", or pretend to have a gay conversation with your friend. |
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azzuRe said: Men basic checking out procedure for interesting specimen: 1. bosoms 2. face 3. bosoms 4. buttocks 5. hips 6. face 7. return to 1, repeat until subject aware In case of emergency: faking disinterested face, look into the distance, pretend to interested to some trees across the road, "Look guys, is that a squirrel in that tree?", or pretend to have a gay conversation with your friend. This guy knows his shit |
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| If a girl wears somethat brings attention to her boobs, I have no problem staring at them. |
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MaedhrostheTall said: No. There's nothing wrong with it. Ain't no morality about it either. Just don't overdo it. Our society's obsession with boobs is sort of hilarious when you think about it. For as much that we as a society tend to objectify breasts, when you sit down and actually think about what you're staring at, it's pretty funny. I mean... ??? We're mammals too. Stuff like above turns us on for some reason. Freudian hellhole much? -_- |
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azzuRe said: Men basic checking out procedure for interesting specimen: 1. bosoms 2. face 3. bosoms 4. buttocks 5. hips 6. face 7. return to 1, repeat until subject aware In case of emergency: faking disinterested face, look into the distance, pretend to interested to some trees across the road, "Look guys, is that a squirrel in that tree?", or pretend to have a gay conversation with your friend. He speaks for all of us. Azzure for President! On topic: I'd want to, but ultimately wouldn't. Gotta stay classy! |
| OP. Having Kanta as your avatar means you'll stare won't you? hohoho I would too.  Gunbladewarrior said: If a girl wears somethat brings attention to her boobs, I have no problem staring at them. Exactly! She wants us to stare at them! |
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Gunbladewarrior said: If a girl wears somethat brings attention to her boobs, I have no problem staring at them. This. |
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NicoleB said: katsucats said: Immahnoob said: Of course not, it is ethically wrong to deny your ability of self expression, sending the implicit message, "I'm okay with slavery." Art should be appreciated. That is what distinguishes us from rhesus monkeys: our capacity to morally understand the sentimentality of art and express that emotion is the human condition. By that perspective, ignoring breasts would be a barbarous shedding of modern societal values. The world is a museum, and breasts are on display, people!! Walking through a museum but ignoring its exhibits is not only ignorant, but nihilistic.But it's still ethically wrong, and that was his question Katsucats (is it ethically wrong?)... Well, I must admit, that is the most eloquent way of speaking bullshit that I've ever read. I agree. |
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NicoleB said: katsucats said: Immahnoob said: Of course not, it is ethically wrong to deny your ability of self expression, sending the implicit message, "I'm okay with slavery." Art should be appreciated. That is what distinguishes us from rhesus monkeys: our capacity to morally understand the sentimentality of art and express that emotion is the human condition. By that perspective, ignoring breasts would be a barbarous shedding of modern societal values. The world is a museum, and breasts are on display, people!! Walking through a museum but ignoring its exhibits is not only ignorant, but nihilistic.But it's still ethically wrong, and that was his question Katsucats (is it ethically wrong?)... Well, I must admit, that is the most eloquent way of speaking bullshit that I've ever read.  Jigero said: That's what equally is all about! i would stare at her tits regardless of her vision. |
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Romedbaumann said: NicoleB said: katsucats said: Immahnoob said: Of course not, it is ethically wrong to deny your ability of self expression, sending the implicit message, "I'm okay with slavery." Art should be appreciated. That is what distinguishes us from rhesus monkeys: our capacity to morally understand the sentimentality of art and express that emotion is the human condition. By that perspective, ignoring breasts would be a barbarous shedding of modern societal values. The world is a museum, and breasts are on display, people!! Walking through a museum but ignoring its exhibits is not only ignorant, but nihilistic.But it's still ethically wrong, and that was his question Katsucats (is it ethically wrong?)... Well, I must admit, that is the most eloquent way of speaking bullshit that I've ever read. I agree. "Appreciation is a wonderful thing: It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." --Voltaire He was talking about breasts."Good painting is nothing else but a copy of the perfections of God and a reminder of His painting. Finally, good painting is a music and a melody which intellect only can appreciate, and with great difficulty." --Michelangelo So many non-intellectuals here don't know how to appreciate what God has given them a chance to see. |
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katsucats said: Romedbaumann said: NicoleB said: katsucats said: Immahnoob said: Of course not, it is ethically wrong to deny your ability of self expression, sending the implicit message, "I'm okay with slavery." Art should be appreciated. That is what distinguishes us from rhesus monkeys: our capacity to morally understand the sentimentality of art and express that emotion is the human condition. By that perspective, ignoring breasts would be a barbarous shedding of modern societal values. The world is a museum, and breasts are on display, people!! Walking through a museum but ignoring its exhibits is not only ignorant, but nihilistic.But it's still ethically wrong, and that was his question Katsucats (is it ethically wrong?)... Well, I must admit, that is the most eloquent way of speaking bullshit that I've ever read. I agree. "Appreciation is a wonderful thing: It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." --Voltaire He was talking about breasts."Good painting is nothing else but a copy of the perfections of God and a reminder of His painting. Finally, good painting is a music and a melody which intellect only can appreciate, and with great difficulty." --Michelangelo So many non-intellectuals here don't know how to appreciate what God has given them a chance to see.Or maybe it was too wise for your over-feminist mind Nicole B. |
| How can you ask for equality if I can't stare at your boobs? That's discrimination! |
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| voted before i post are all the ppl that voted no girls? |
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Monad said: Or maybe it was too wise for your over-feminist mind Nicole B. Or maybe you're just a misogynist asshole, hence why you can't understand why it's not okay? Who knows. |
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NicoleB said: Monad said: Or maybe it was too wise for your over-feminist mind Nicole B. Or maybe you're just a misogynist asshole, hence why you can't understand why it's not okay? Who knows. I hope think he was joking. |
InfiniteRyvius said: NicoleB said: Monad said: Or maybe it was too wise for your over-feminist mind Nicole B. Or maybe you're just a misogynist asshole, hence why you can't understand why it's not okay? Who knows. I hope think he was joking. No, this is Monad, every single thread which could possible be interpreted as having anything to do with feminism or anything pro-female, has him in it telling how the world is so awful now that women have even basic rights. He definitely has some deep issues with women and me especially since he basically attacks my posts all the time. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
| I still don't see how it's against a woman's rights if I look at her breasts... Such a twisted world we live in, having no argument yet continuing on preaching such bullshit, Nicole. |
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| You have no respect for a woman if that's what you're doing to her, especially in the context of this thread, you have no respect for her feelings and don't even see her as a person. |
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Immahnoob said: I still don't see how it's against a woman's rights if I look at her breasts... Such a twisted world we live in, having no argument yet continuing on preaching such bullshit, Nicole. It's because you are viewing her not as a person but as an object of sex. It's not that hard. |
| Personally I would feel quite uncomfortable if people started staring at my dick. I imagine I'd feel the same if I were a woman. |
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| I don't see a shitload of people as persons, most women should not feel special really. And as you noticed, I said "look at her breasts", staring and looking are two different things, that's what I'm trying to talk about, that "especially" proves my point, that you dislike men even if they just look at them for a few seconds. Which is biologically normal (even in the context of this thread), women also look at us, bringing in morality in such an argument is a fallacy (I'm not talking about OP's question in particular, note that, as it asks in a moral point of view). Anything else to add? |
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Immahnoob said: I don't see a shitload of people as persons Then this is your problem, this doesn't really have anything to do with this thread. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
| It does, it's a tangent to this question. What if I change the question from "stare" to "look" and delete the "morality" part? You've fallen into my trap because you responded in a moral point of view when I was talking about a biological point of view, I changed the subject to prove that this is pure bullshit on both fronts. If you want equality, then you should also stop looking at men, oh, they seem to like being viewed as sex objects (or at least most of them). |
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| All people have the same rights, one of them being is that they are people. I assumed you meant stare rather than look though, that changes things slightly. Most will be drawn to them, but I'd hope people would have to the restraint to stop themselves staring at them. Also, it may be biologically normal, but that doesn't mean something is unnecessarily right. |
Immahnoob said: If you want equality This is just...dumb. How does equality have ANYTHING to do with wanting to be treated and viewed as a human being and not as a piece of meat? Unless she (or he) specifically makes out that they don't mind being stared at that way (ie dressing a specific way, cleavage showing etc), than you do not have the right at all to do, what this thread is asking. |
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| I said "look" and she added "especially", which is what I wanted to bait out. (because it means she understood that I changed the situation). NicoleB said: especially in the context of this thread You prove my point Ryvius, biologically, a heterosexual male will have it's eyes drawn towards the breasts/body/etc. We still have instincts, and if we can see the cleavage, it's even worse, it's obvious we'll look. Logic says otherwise, morality has nothing to do with logic, I am "made" by "nature" this way (biologically), thus, I cannot control which cannot be controlled, if you constrain me on doing so, with verbal or physical violence, that means that my rights as a human being are also not respected (if you want to fight on the morality ground, which I don't recommend, it's still a fallacy). Also, by law, staring or looking at a girls breasts is not illegal. |
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| It's okay to stare at any woman's breasts. Just be prepared for the consequences of some more modest women. It feels kinda... rude to stare at a blind woman's breasts, but I guess you can. |
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Immahnoob said: Logic says otherwise, morality has nothing to do with logic, I am "made" by "nature" this way (biologically), thus, I cannot control which cannot be controlled, if you constrain me on doing so, with verbal or physical violence, that means that my rights as a human being are also not respected (if you want to fight on the morality ground, which I don't recommend, it's still a fallacy). Also, by law, staring or looking at a girls breasts is not illegal. Spoiler: Men are not biologically hardwired to find breasts sexually attractive. As with many thing that deal with attraction, it's a cultural one which is learned. Hence why in many other cultures, they do not possess the same fascination as we seem to do with boobs. Also hence why other cultures match long necks or huge lip-rings as being effeminate and attractive. |
| I said heterosexual for a reason. I also think I said "body" there, in the same post you quoted. You distorted the meaning of what I said by quoting only the last part. |
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Immahnoob said: I said "look" and she added "especially", which is what I wanted to bait out. (because it means she understood that I changed the situation). NicoleB said: especially in the context of this thread You prove my point Ryvius, biologically, a heterosexual male will have it's eyes drawn towards the breasts/body/etc. We still have instincts, and if we can see the cleavage, it's even worse, it's obvious we'll look. Logic says otherwise, morality has nothing to do with logic, I am "made" by "nature" this way (biologically), thus, I cannot control which cannot be controlled, if you constrain me on doing so, with verbal or physical violence, that means that my rights as a human being are also not respected (if you want to fight on the morality ground, which I don't recommend, it's still a fallacy). Also, by law, staring or looking at a girls breasts is not illegal. Is it a stretch to say it could be sexual harassment? |
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Immahnoob said: I said heterosexual for a reason. Implying that's relevant. Re-read my post, as you may have skipped the edit. EDIT: Lol, distorted what you were saying? The first part which I snipped to make the quote shorter, was saying the exact same thing as the rest. I can edit my post to include your full quote, it's not going to make any difference. You prove my point Ryvius, biologically, a heterosexual male will have it's eyes drawn towards the breasts/body/etc. We still have instincts, and if we can see the cleavage, it's even worse, it's obvious we'll look. There, I included your post now. It's still wrong. |
TrapaliciousDec 26, 2012 9:52 AM
Trapalicious said: Spoiler: Men are not biologically hardwired to find breasts sexually attractive. As with many thing that deal with attraction, it's a cultural one which is learned. Many cultures do not have the same fascination with boobs that ours do. I actually have heard of this before, but sauce? According to www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3fLynMue-0&t=7m28s Breasts are attractive because they are attractive, hence they are found to be attractive so they can be attractive. It's easy to fall into this circular logic, anyway, hence it perpetuates. |
ZmffkskemDec 26, 2012 9:51 AM
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Tavor said: Immahnoob said: I said "look" and she added "especially", which is what I wanted to bait out. (because it means she understood that I changed the situation). NicoleB said: especially in the context of this thread You prove my point Ryvius, biologically, a heterosexual male will have it's eyes drawn towards the breasts/body/etc. We still have instincts, and if we can see the cleavage, it's even worse, it's obvious we'll look. Logic says otherwise, morality has nothing to do with logic, I am "made" by "nature" this way (biologically), thus, I cannot control which cannot be controlled, if you constrain me on doing so, with verbal or physical violence, that means that my rights as a human being are also not respected (if you want to fight on the morality ground, which I don't recommend, it's still a fallacy). Also, by law, staring or looking at a girls breasts is not illegal. Is it a stretch to say it could be sexual harassment? Which cannot be proven, like that awesome case with the lawyer that accuses her girlfriend (or whatever it was) of trying to suffocate him with her breasts. Like, what? Saying she was jealous. Trapalicious said: Immahnoob said: I said heterosexual for a reason. Implying that's relevant. Re-read my post, as you may have skipped the edit. Actually, even history proves that men looked at breasts and buttocks to check out the best carrier of a child, think of the fertility statues, the body is also important and they surely still look at the "body" which you missed out of my quotes as you like making the context fallacy a lot. |
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| If it was just the two of us in the elevator... I'd go so far as to possibly grope her :| |
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ZmffkskemI said: actually have heard of this before, but sauce? According to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3fLynMue-0&t=7m28s Breasts are attractive because they are attractive, hence they are found to be attractive so they can be attractive. It's easy to fall into this circular logic, anyway, hence it perpetuates. Breasts are generally considered a paraphilia in psychology, if that's any means of a sauce for you. Besides that, I don't really have one, since I'm trying to get my point across with things you can observe throughout the world. If attraction to breasts was an evolutionary trait, then surely it's something you would see in every culture throughout the world. But it's not. Like I added later, in other cultures they have things such as dangerously long necks and large lip-rings as a part of the effeminate appearance, which adds attraction for them. China at one point thought foot binders were the good stuff. People would think you escaped a mental asylum if you tried that here. Immahnoob said: Actually, even history proves that men looked at breasts and buttocks to check out the best carrier of a child, think of the fertility statues, the body is also important and they surely still look at the "body" which you missed out of my quotes as you like making the context fallacy a lot. I don't think you understand the definition of context. This thread is about breasts, I quoted the section where you claimed that attraction to breasts was biological, and cannot be helped. So I posted counter points. Stop whining please. |
TrapaliciousDec 26, 2012 10:30 AM
| Is it ever okay to stare at womans breasts? I think not. Men still do it though, myself included. |
Immahnoob said: Which cannot be proven, like that awesome case with the lawyer that accuses her girlfriend (or whatever it was) of trying to suffocate him with her breasts. Like, what? Saying she was jealous. I suppose so. I was trying to look up whether or not "breast staring" is considered sexual harassment, but most of the answers saying "yes" was not backed up by legal definitions; also seems it's mostly those equal rights sites that say it is sexual harassment, but even those sites seemed illegitimate considering that whoever wrote for the website probably doesn't take the time to proof read. (i.e. there were no spaces between the word and some periods). Seem like I'd have to give you benefit of the doubt there. Still, as most would say, morally, no I wouldn't stare. As for saying "they are there for staring and it's biological" well in regard to "We still have instincts" then by that logic, rape must be okay if the man has the urge to engage in sex since it is at our biological interest to reproduce and therefore be okay? I know might be putting words in your mouth immahnoob or changing the context, but I'm interested in the responses. |
ShoryuDec 26, 2012 10:14 AM
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Trapalicious said: I don't think you understand the definition of context. This thread is about breasts, I quoted the section where you claimed that attraction to breasts was biological, which cannot be helped. So I posted counter points. Stop whining please. Actually 'proving' or 'disproving' biological relation doesn't help - The blame is simply shifted under a new name that is 'societal influences.' It's not solving anything. Men still 'naturally' stare at female's breasts because it is 'what everyone does' and there's still sexual stimulation(I suppose?) |
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