Bleach Chapter 513 Discussion

Spkilla said:
:P Apparently If Ichigo Had Died He Could Have Been "Resurrected"
So Maybe Byakuya Might Come Back :P

Trexx25 said:
This is shown and explained in I think Chapter 123/124. When Ishida is fighting Kurotsuchi, and is paralyzed by his technique, Ishida employs Ransoutengia to use the Reishi around him to work himself like a puppet, which requires having complete mastery over the spirit particles around you. Kurotsuchi says that in examining and dissecting like 2660 Quincy's, not one of them could use Ransoutengia, the most powerful Reishi manipulating Quincy technique. Kurotsuchi then says that he "understands" and calls Ishida a "genius". This leads one to believe that to become a great Quincy, you have to be extremely intelligent.

Spkilla said:
:P Apparently If Ichigo Had Died He Could Have Been "Resurrected"
So Maybe Byakuya Might Come Back :P

Ragix said:



He didn't die, he said he was "barely breathing." That's why he wanted to take him back and brainwash him I guess. Although of course he used Blue Vene, which saved him from a fatal blow to the neck.

Trexx25 said:
@Aldo512 said " I don't think he meant a literal genius, just saying it as Uryu being a really skilled Quincy".

No, he actually meant Ishida is literally a Genius like Einstein. Ishida's intelligence could quite possibly rival that of Urahara's. That's why Kurotsuchi said "For one so young to be able to use this technique, you are a Genius". There's a reason why he is also the number one student in a Japanese school, has completely mastered Reishi as a 17 year old kid, and arguably his two biggest fights in Bleach were against two other Genius/Mad Scientists. That's because he Really Is a Genius.

Arashi89 said:
Kubo is that asshole kid who keeps adding things they can do when you play pretend on the playground.

kaguraxxx said:


Exactly. Instead of deepening the characters and the plot, he just piles up new people, random stories and techniques. Ichigo having quincy powers is the most retarded thing Kubo has done.

AND my favorite character is dead.

Time to drop.

Drpayne said:
are you fu**ing kidding me? half the people here have absolutely no idea what the hell they are watching......what is blut vene?!!? i think it has been mentioned like 100 times already and they still don't know what it is....no wonder many of you don't like bleach....'cause you have no idea what the hell you are watching

Chimasternmay said:
i always said there was something wrong with Ichigo's eyes from the beginning. every time during a last fight or power up his eyes was focused on. maybe im just over analyzing things maybe not but if has Quincy powers then the eye can be explained as dormant power's help.

kaguraxxx said:


Exactly. Instead of deepening the characters and the plot, he just piles up new people, random stories and techniques. Ichigo having quincy powers is the most retarded thing Kubo has done.

AND my favorite character is dead.

Time to drop.

Trexx25 said:
@ Fai I agree with most of what you said last page, except for Ichigo being Smart. Ichigo is good at understanding others intents and emotions, as well as being gifted in battle tactics and mastering abilities relatively quickly. He is emotionally competent, But Ichigo is Not smart. He has shown time and time again that he lacks intelligence compared to others in Bleach.

Dark_Crow210 said:
In a different forum i read a post from a guy with a really good theory. So far since the beginning ichigo has been able to mirror his enemy's powers or learn from ppl around him.

Bloodios said:
The supposedly Quincy mom died a dog's death at the hands of an asswipe that is Grand Fisher, all because she has forgotten that there's Quincy skill known as Hirenkyaku. Sounds legit. ;P

Fai said:
Or she used the quincy ultimate technique and has lost her powers, just like Isshin did with FGT.

Bloodios said:
Then I guess unlike Ishida, she's naive enough believe that she can just stroll around town without even considering carrying any "tool" in case of "emergency" knowing that her son might have the "potential" to extract "unwanted attentions"...

miwaca said:
I have a theory regarding Ichigo's 'new' power. I think he possesses some sort of ability to absorb powers. Think Peter Pitrelli from Heroes. Peter could absorb and use a person's ability just by standing close to them. The only difference is that Ichigo's ability activates when he receives a life threatening blow.

Shinigami:
Remember how he became a Shinigami in the first chapter: He absorbed Rukia's power after she stabbed him in the stomach.

Full Hollow:
Though it wasn't explained (poor job on Kubo's part) during his fight with Ulquiorra, Ichigo got a chunk of him blown out [he died and absorbed Ulquiorra's ability]

Fullbring:
Didn't he have to die? I'm not sure. Didn't consider that an 'arc' so I didn't read it.

Quincy:
Now in Chapter 513 he received another life threatening blow [and absorbed Quincy abilities].

Kubo doesn't give you much to go with anyway so please take this with a pinch of salt and warm up to the idea that it probably won't be explained. Ever.

Fai said:


There's something VERY wrong with Ichigo.

Grand Fisher said "Ichigo is a being of true blood", Aizen knew about Ichigo since his birth, Ukitake and Shunsui talked about Ichigo as if having observed him for a long time.

In addiition to that, Ichigo looks like Kaien, which was also implied to be not just art-shortcoming, but actual plot-point for this story arc.



Except that most of stuff that happened has been foreshadowed before.

I guess when Aizen and Ichigo start double-teaming Bach, people will whine yet again about "asspull"....despite that being foreshadowed since start of fullbring arc.



We are talking about Ichigo who figured out how to do shunpo, BEFORE he even knew such thing existed (when fighting about Inoue's brother).

Ichigo who mastered fullbring tech without even trying.

Ichigo who is consistently at the top of his class in terms of grades, despite well, not being in school much.

Ichigo who can very well analyze his opponents and has been shown to be capable of learning things
very fast.

Ichigo who used a lot of strategizing against Kirge, artificially drawing out the fight to find new stuff about Kirge's techniques.

What you are talking is wisdom, not intelligence. Ichigo is not always wise. But he is always intelligent. That intelligence can be clouded by emotions sometimes, but a clear-headed Ichigo is the most dangerous thing in Bleach after Aizen and Urahara.

Archnemesis said:
He wasn't top of his class, but he was near it. Keigo got upset because Ichigo wasnt in the low ranks like him, which surprised him because Ichigo barely paid attention even before becoming a shinigami and being distracted with saving lives and whatnot. Pretty sure Ishida was top of the class, they show it in the episode he's introduced. Isshin never rode his ass, he even states he has a hands-off approach to parenting (but not with the girls lol). I think the school grades bit shows that he can understand things without really trying, so if he did focus and put his mind to it, he could easily.
Without a doubt his intelligence is nowhere NEAR the people you mentioned - Ishida, Urahara, Aizen etc. But hes smarter (intelligent....er) than the average bear.

Also, to me it seemed he was able to control his spiritual energy in that cannon ball, it was just too much for him to be able to lower the amount of power. (sorry for ref another manga) but it's kinda like Soul Eater, where blackstar's wavelength was too much for the other two - it's too big for him to control with such finesse. But i do agree that he lacks reiatsu control in general.